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andel 06/13/21 6:43:01 PM #1:	do you think he should be prosecuted for his role in instigating the takeover of the capital by his supporters? how far do you think his criminal culpability goes for his role in the events of 1/6? --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954969236] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>do you think he should be prosecuted for his role in instigating the takeover of the capital by his supporters? how far do you think his criminal culpability goes for his role in the events of 1/6? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 06/13/21 6:44:00 PM #2:	Yep. --- "ooger is not a man, he's a phenomenon." - Helpall <cite>ooger posted [p:954969264] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Yep. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 06/13/21 6:45:29 PM #3:	I don't know for sure. It's definitely possible he meets that requirement, and if so he should be prosecuted. I'd have to look at his speech again and see if anything he said sounded like calls to violence. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:954969322] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>I don't know for sure. It's definitely possible he meets that requirement, and if so he should be prosecuted. I'd have to look at his speech again and see if anything he said sounded like calls to violence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 06/13/21 6:45:44 PM #4:	If Manson is guilty Trump is too --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:954969330] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>If Manson is guilty Trump is too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 06/13/21 6:45:55 PM #5:	he's done other things with legitimate supporting evidence they should go after him for first. they go after him for 1/6 and all he'll do is scream 1st amendment... --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:954969337] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>he's done other things with legitimate supporting evidence they should go after him for first. they go after him for 1/6 and all he'll do is scream 1st amendment... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 06/13/21 6:46:22 PM #6:	thronedfire2 posted... If Manson is guilty Trump is too --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:954969355] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>If Manson is guilty Trump is too</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 06/13/21 6:46:43 PM #7:	joe40001 posted... I don't know for sure. It's definitely possible he meets that requirement, and if so he should be prosecuted. I'd have to look at his speech again and see if anything he said sounded like calls to violence. his speech definitely seems like a criminal incitement of violence but his actions before and during and after the insurrection also played a big role imo. he organized the event and explicitly sent his supporters to the capitol building --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954969358] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know for sure. It's definitely possible he meets that requirement, and if so he should be prosecuted. I'd have to look at his speech again and see if anything he said sounded like calls to violence.</quote> his speech definitely seems like a criminal incitement of violence but his actions before and during and after the insurrection also played a big role imo. he organized the event and explicitly sent his supporters to the capitol building </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 06/13/21 6:46:51 PM #8:	And although I'm a big free speech guy, free speech does not at all extend to calls to violence. That's not speech that's action towards a crime. I'm just for the free expression and exchange of ideas, not encouragement of violence. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:954969362] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>And although I'm a big free speech guy, free speech does not at all extend to calls to violence. That's not speech that's action towards a crime. I'm just for the free expression and exchange of ideas, not encouragement of violence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 06/13/21 6:47:53 PM #10:	monkmith posted... he's done other things with legitimate supporting evidence they should go after him for first. they go after him for 1/6 and all he'll do is scream 1st amendment... luckily new york is already in the grand jury phase of some of his crimes before he was elected and georgia is investigating him for the phone call he made asking to secretary of state to "find" enough votes for him to win the state --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954969404] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>he's done other things with legitimate supporting evidence they should go after him for first. they go after him for 1/6 and all he'll do is scream 1st amendment...</quote> luckily new york is already in the grand jury phase of some of his crimes before he was elected and georgia is investigating him for the phone call he made asking to secretary of state to "find" enough votes for him to win the state </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 06/13/21 6:47:54 PM #11:	No. It's not his fault people can't tell the difference between rhetoric and a call for action. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:954969405] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>No. It's not his fault people can't tell the difference between rhetoric and a call for action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 06/13/21 6:47:57 PM #12:	thronedfire2 posted... If Manson is guilty Trump is too This. It's literally the same thing. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:954969406] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>If Manson is guilty Trump is too</quote>This. It's literally the same thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 06/13/21 6:49:10 PM #13:	JustMyOpinion posted... He is but he'll never be convicted. he could very well be if charges are brought. it new york ends up indicating him i think he could definitely be convicted there for his pre presidency business dealings, especially if they flip his cfo --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954969436] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>He is but he'll never be convicted.</quote> he could very well be if charges are brought. it new york ends up indicating him i think he could definitely be convicted there for his pre presidency business dealings, especially if they flip his cfo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 06/13/21 6:53:48 PM #14:	andel posted... his speech definitely seems like a criminal incitement of violence but his actions before and during and after the insurrection also played a big role imo. he organized the event and explicitly sent his supporters to the capitol building I think the most explicit case that could be made is he directly encouraged people to trespass, if he encouraged them to go to a place they were legally not allowed to be, which I think he did. I'm not sure where on the capitol grounds the protestors were are were not legally allowed to be, I'd be interested to know that, but I certainly don't think Trump is smart enough to know such a distinction so we might be able to get Trump on "incitement of large mobs to commit the crime of trespassing in a secure government site" even if we can't get him specifically on any of the violence/destruction. I could see that plus somebody using the term "wreckless endangerment" in a court to get him legally culpable even if he never actually explicitly called for violence. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:954969577] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>andel posted... </cite> <quote>his speech definitely seems like a criminal incitement of violence but his actions before and during and after the insurrection also played a big role imo. he organized the event and explicitly sent his supporters to the capitol building</quote> I think the most explicit case that could be made is he directly encouraged people to trespass, if he encouraged them to go to a place they were legally not allowed to be, which I think he did. I'm not sure where on the capitol grounds the protestors were are were not legally allowed to be, I'd be interested to know that, but I certainly don't think Trump is smart enough to know such a distinction so we might be able to get Trump on "incitement of large mobs to commit the crime of trespassing in a secure government site" even if we can't get him specifically on any of the violence/destruction. I could see that plus somebody using the term "wreckless endangerment" in a court to get him legally culpable even if he never actually explicitly called for violence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 06/13/21 6:54:11 PM #15:	Yes. The Manson analogy is appropriate. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. <cite>brestugo posted [p:954969593] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Yes. The Manson analogy is appropriate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 06/13/21 6:54:42 PM #16:	Yeah I think he should get something --- Common sense baked a funk cookie - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:954969615] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I think he should get something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 06/13/21 6:58:40 PM #17:	treason, appropriate penalty needed imo --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:954969751] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>treason, appropriate penalty needed imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 06/13/21 7:06:22 PM #18:	joe40001 posted... I think the most explicit case that could be made is he directly encouraged people to trespass, if he encouraged them to go to a place they were legally not allowed to be, which I think he did. I'm not sure where on the capitol grounds the protestors were are were not legally allowed to be, I'd be interested to know that, but I certainly don't think Trump is smart enough to know such a distinction so we might be able to get Trump on "incitement of large mobs to commit the crime of trespassing in a secure government site" even if we can't get him specifically on any of the violence/destruction. I could see that plus somebody using the term "wreckless endangerment" in a court to get him legally culpable even if he never actually explicitly called for violence. there are tons of charges they could throw at him. his refusal to send in the national guard could could reckless endangerment or some kind of negligence not to mention pointing his mob at lawmakers where they erected a gallows and chanted their intent to murder pence and pelosi --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954970019] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>I think the most explicit case that could be made is he directly encouraged people to trespass, if he encouraged them to go to a place they were legally not allowed to be, which I think he did. I'm not sure where on the capitol grounds the protestors were are were not legally allowed to be, I'd be interested to know that, but I certainly don't think Trump is smart enough to know such a distinction so we might be able to get Trump on "incitement of large mobs to commit the crime of trespassing in a secure government site" even if we can't get him specifically on any of the violence/destruction. I could see that plus somebody using the term "wreckless endangerment" in a court to get him legally culpable even if he never actually explicitly called for violence.</quote> there are tons of charges they could throw at him. his refusal to send in the national guard could could reckless endangerment or some kind of negligence not to mention pointing his mob at lawmakers where they erected a gallows and chanted their intent to murder pence and pelosi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 06/13/21 7:25:42 PM #20:	Yeah. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:954970692] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 06/13/21 7:29:01 PM #21:	he's as liable as Charles Manson was --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:954970813] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>he's as liable as Charles Manson was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 06/13/21 7:32:52 PM #22:	JustMyOpinion posted... Don't take Joe seriously. Joe trolls about this stuff. i have been reading joenumbers stubborn opinions for the better part of two decades lol. i feel like he genuinely believes the shit he says but often has a really bad take and refuses to listen to anyone about anything despite sometimes having overwhelming evidence against his worldview --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954970959] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>Don't take Joe seriously. Joe trolls about this stuff.</quote> i have been reading joenumbers stubborn opinions for the better part of two decades lol. i feel like he genuinely believes the shit he says but often has a really bad take and refuses to listen to anyone about anything despite sometimes having overwhelming evidence against his worldview </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 06/13/21 7:35:22 PM #23:	JustMyOpinion posted... He is but he'll never be convicted. Sadly this. Republicans aren't going to hold their cult leader accountable for the shit he's done. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:954971041] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted...</cite> <quote>He is but he'll never be convicted. </quote> Sadly this. Republicans aren't going to hold their cult leader accountable for the shit he's done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 06/13/21 7:37:20 PM #24:	JustMyOpinion posted... He is but he'll never be convicted. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:954971117] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>He is but he'll never be convicted.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/13/21 7:39:38 PM #25:	Trump's tweet about Pence during the riot directly started the "Hang Mike Pence" chant. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:954971196] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Trump's tweet about Pence during the riot directly started the "Hang Mike Pence" chant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 06/13/21 7:43:24 PM #26:	Should he go to jail for inciting the January 6 insurrection? No. That is technically within Trump's freedom of speech and very similar events have been protected in the past. There's plenty of other crimes Trump has committed anyways, no need to ignore that this does, fall under freedom of speech (for some reason). Is it more than enough to say he should never be able to run for office or hold any position remotely close to a position of power again? absolutely. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:954971343] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Should he go to jail for inciting the January 6 insurrection? No. That is technically within Trump's freedom of speech and very similar events have been protected in the past. There's plenty of other crimes Trump has committed anyways, no need to ignore that this does, fall under freedom of speech (for some reason). Is it more than enough to say he should never be able to run for office or hold any position remotely close to a position of power again? absolutely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/13/21 7:45:33 PM #27:	Proto_Spark posted... Should he go to jail for inciting the January 6 insurrection? No. That is technically within Trump's freedom of speech and very similar events have been protected in the past. There's plenty of other crimes Trump has committed anyways, no need to ignore that this does, fall under freedom of speech (for some reason). Is it more than enough to say he should never be able to run for office or hold any position remotely close to a position of power again? absolutely. Inciting a riot is unprotected speech. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:954971413] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Proto_Spark posted...</cite><quote>Should he go to jail for inciting the January 6 insurrection? No. That is technically within Trump's freedom of speech and very similar events have been protected in the past. There's plenty of other crimes Trump has committed anyways, no need to ignore that this does, fall under freedom of speech (for some reason). Is it more than enough to say he should never be able to run for office or hold any position remotely close to a position of power again? absolutely.</quote>Inciting a riot is unprotected speech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 06/13/21 7:45:37 PM #28:	Hop103 posted... No. It's not his fault people can't tell the difference between rhetoric and a call for action. Given the context, there isn't a difference between the two. He knew what was at stake by sending those tweets. It's pathetic that you defend him, even now. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM 1970-2020 (G.O.A.T.) <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:954971415] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>No. It's not his fault people can't tell the difference between rhetoric and a call for action.</quote>Given the context, there isn't a difference between the two. He knew what was at stake by sending those tweets. It's pathetic that you defend him, even now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 06/13/21 7:50:18 PM #29:	Webmaster4531 posted... Inciting a riot is unprotected speech. But because Trump isn't stupid enough to say "go riot at the capital and make me king for life" it likely wouldn't fall under a riot. There's still enough for Trump to say he didn't mean for his crowd to go riot at the capitol, and that's been enough to protect this kind of ** before. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:954971567] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>Inciting a riot is unprotected speech.</quote> But because Trump isn't stupid enough to say "go riot at the capital and make me king for life" it likely wouldn't fall under a riot. There's still enough for Trump to say he didn't mean for his crowd to go riot at the capitol, and that's been enough to protect this kind of ** before. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Proto_Spark 06/13/21 7:56:00 PM #31:	metallica846 posted... Fight like hell or we wont have a country anymore!! This could very reasonably mean "protest very hard and call your congresspeople!!" It sucks that Trump is technically not committing the highest of crimes (and only really isn't because he failed) but protecting freedom of speech is considered that important a thing in American society that we have to basically let it be used to destroy everything the country stands for. ... seems kind of counterproductive, but that's what's going on. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:954971766] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>Fight like hell or we wont have a country anymore!!</quote> This could very reasonably mean "protest very hard and call your congresspeople!!" It sucks that Trump is technically not committing the highest of crimes (and only really isn't because he failed) but protecting freedom of speech is considered that important a thing in American society that we have to basically let it be used to destroy everything the country stands for. ... seems kind of counterproductive, but that's what's going on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 06/13/21 7:58:07 PM #32:	Proto_Spark posted... This could very reasonably mean "protest very hard and call your congresspeople!!" It sucks that Trump is technically not committing the highest of crimes (and only really isn't because he failed) but protecting freedom of speech is considered that important a thing in American society that we have to basically let it be used to destroy everything the country stands for. ... seems kind of counterproductive, but that's what's going on. Mashes X to have eyes roll into the back of my skull --- "ooger is not a man, he's a phenomenon." - Helpall <cite>ooger posted [p:954971823] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Proto_Spark posted... </cite> <quote>This could very reasonably mean "protest very hard and call your congresspeople!!" It sucks that Trump is technically not committing the highest of crimes (and only really isn't because he failed) but protecting freedom of speech is considered that important a thing in American society that we have to basically let it be used to destroy everything the country stands for. ... seems kind of counterproductive, but that's what's going on.</quote> Mashes X to have eyes roll into the back of my skull </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/13/21 7:59:21 PM #33:	I mean, we all predicted it, right? We've saying shit like that would happen since he got elected. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:954971863] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>I mean, we all predicted it, right? We've saying shit like that would happen since he got elected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VigorouslySwish 06/13/21 7:59:22 PM #34:	thronedfire2 posted... If Manson is guilty Trump is too --- i'm just some guy yellin' about apple sauce <cite>VigorouslySwish posted [p:954971864] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>If Manson is guilty Trump is too</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/13/21 8:01:10 PM #35:	Proto_Spark posted... But because Trump isn't stupid enough to say "go riot at the capital and make me king for life" it likely wouldn't fall under a riot. There's still enough for Trump to say he didn't mean for his crowd to go riot at the capitol, and that's been enough to protect this kind of ** before. He knew people showed up on Jan 6th to kill Mike Pence and he still went and tweeted he's disappointed in him for not naming him king. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:954971917] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Proto_Spark posted...</cite><quote>But because Trump isn't stupid enough to say "go riot at the capital and make me king for life" it likely wouldn't fall under a riot. There's still enough for Trump to say he didn't mean for his crowd to go riot at the capitol, and that's been enough to protect this kind of ** before.</quote>He knew people showed up on Jan 6th to kill Mike Pence and he still went and tweeted he's disappointed in him for not naming him king.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/13/21 8:04:25 PM #36:	No. Its a lil thing called freedom of speech. <cite>Bleuets posted [p:954972012] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>No. Its a lil thing called freedom of speech. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/13/21 8:05:33 PM #37:	Bleuets posted... No. Its a lil thing called freedom of speech. You do not have freedom to incite a riot, but I want to believe you knew that. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:954972051] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>No. Its a lil thing called freedom of speech.</quote> You do not have freedom to incite a riot, but I want to believe you knew that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/13/21 8:06:06 PM #38:	Technically yes but he will never be charged --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954972074] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Technically yes but he will never be charged </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 06/13/21 8:07:36 PM #40:	the problem with saying "freedum of speech" is that that doesn't cover incitement of violence. the fact trump organized the mob, sent them to the capitol and refused to allow the national guard to intervene while whipping up rhetoric on twitter the whole time is enough to show the first amendment doesn't cover what he was doing --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:954972121] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>the problem with saying "freedum of speech" is that that doesn't cover incitement of violence. the fact trump organized the mob, sent them to the capitol and refused to allow the national guard to intervene while whipping up rhetoric on twitter the whole time is enough to show the first amendment doesn't cover what he was doing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Christian RULES 06/13/21 8:09:04 PM #41:	No, President Trump never explicitly say to storm a riot. The rioters acted on their own and only they are responsible and guilty. --- RIP Man Fan - Nine Years Strong - https://youtu.be/O8swXwLlgAI TRUMP 2024EVER - Promises Made! Promises Kept! #MAGA <cite>Christian RULES posted [p:954972167] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>No, President Trump never explicitly say to storm a riot. The rioters acted on their own and only they are responsible and guilty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 06/13/21 8:14:14 PM #42:	If Trump never had his rally then those people wouldn't have been there to begin with. --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:954972319] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>If Trump never had his rally then those people wouldn't have been there to begin with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 06/13/21 8:15:28 PM #43:	andel posted... the problem with saying "freedum of speech" is that that doesn't cover incitement of violence. the fact trump organized the mob, sent them to the capitol and refused to allow the national guard to intervene while whipping up rhetoric on twitter the whole time is enough to show the first amendment doesn't cover what he was doing The problem is that Trump didn't explicitly call for the crowd to go cause violence or sedition. And because he didn't explicitly tell them to go cause violence, and while all context clues suggest that was his intention, freedom of speech is so protected to make that not good enough. This is also not even the first time Trump has been charged with incitement for violence, but that doesn't change how specific the focus needs to be for the court to incriminate you based on your speech. This isn't the first time the US has protected someone's speech even if their protected speech was almost definitely but not explicitly saying it. Christian RULES posted... No, President Trump never explicitly say to storm a riot. The rioters acted on their own and only they are responsible and guilty. As obviously bull** as this is, we can't really hold Trump accountable for the choices of other people, even if he suggested they go do it. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:954972350] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>andel posted... </cite> <quote>the problem with saying "freedum of speech" is that that doesn't cover incitement of violence. the fact trump organized the mob, sent them to the capitol and refused to allow the national guard to intervene while whipping up rhetoric on twitter the whole time is enough to show the first amendment doesn't cover what he was doing</quote> The problem is that Trump didn't explicitly call for the crowd to go cause violence or sedition. And because he didn't explicitly tell them to go cause violence, and while all context clues suggest that was his intention, freedom of speech is so protected to make that not good enough. This is also not even the first time Trump has been charged with incitement for violence, but that doesn't change how specific the focus needs to be for the court to incriminate you based on your speech. This isn't the first time the US has protected someone's speech even if their protected speech was almost definitely but not explicitly saying it. Christian RULES posted... </cite> <quote>No, President Trump never explicitly say to storm a riot. The rioters acted on their own and only they are responsible and guilty.</quote>As obviously bull** as this is, we can't really hold Trump accountable for the choices of other people, even if he suggested they go do it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/13/21 8:16:19 PM #44:	100% and anyone who says otherwise isn't worth listening to. I don't want to see him in prison though. Strip him of all wealth, property, land and titles and leave him penniless and broken. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:954972381] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>100% and anyone who says otherwise isn't worth listening to. I don't want to see him in prison though. Strip him of all wealth, property, land and titles and leave him penniless and broken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 06/13/21 8:16:50 PM #45:	ThunderTrain posted... If Trump never had his rally then those people wouldn't have been there to begin with. Well... yeah? If he didn't spread harmful misinformation about election fraud for weeks/months and plan a rally to unleash his deranged cult upon Congress to try stopping them from certifying votes then his deranged cult wouldn't have been there. That's not that big of a revelation. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:954972404] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>ThunderTrain posted...</cite> <quote>If Trump never had his rally then those people wouldn't have been there to begin with. </quote> Well... yeah? If he didn't spread harmful misinformation about election fraud for weeks/months and plan a rally to unleash his deranged cult upon Congress to try stopping them from certifying votes then his deranged cult wouldn't have been there. That's not that big of a revelation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 06/13/21 8:17:27 PM #46:	Christian RULES posted... No, President Trump never explicitly say to storm a riot. The rioters acted on their own and only they are responsible and guilty. Trump supporters are domestic terrorists who were egged on by Trump. --- "ooger is not a man, he's a phenomenon." - Helpall <cite>ooger posted [p:954972425] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Christian RULES posted... </cite> <quote>No, President Trump never explicitly say to storm a riot. The rioters acted on their own and only they are responsible and guilty.</quote>Trump supporters are domestic terrorists who were egged on by Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 06/13/21 8:17:55 PM #47:	Proto_Spark posted... The problem is that Trump didn't explicitly call for the crowd to go cause violence or sedition. He didn't explicitly tell the Ukrainian president that he was going to blackmail him to help him cheat in the election, but he still did it. This notion that you have to say an exact specific series of words or otherwise it didn't happen is absurd. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:954972442] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Proto_Spark posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is that Trump didn't explicitly call for the crowd to go cause violence or sedition.</quote> He didn't explicitly tell the Ukrainian president that he was going to blackmail him to help him cheat in the election, but he still did it. This notion that you have to say an exact specific series of words or otherwise it didn't happen is absurd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 06/13/21 8:24:39 PM #48:	Heineken14 posted... Well... yeah? If he didn't spread harmful misinformation about election fraud for weeks/months and plan a rally to unleash his deranged cult upon Congress to try stopping them from certifying votes then his deranged cult wouldn't have been there. That's not that big of a revelation. I mean him having the rally alone makes him liable. Even if he kept up his stupid lie about the election being stolen, that doesn't matter that much. Him having that rally and getting people all jacked up caused what happened. He's 100% liable and should spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo Bay --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:954972628] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>Heineken14 posted... </cite> <quote>Well... yeah? If he didn't spread harmful misinformation about election fraud for weeks/months and plan a rally to unleash his deranged cult upon Congress to try stopping them from certifying votes then his deranged cult wouldn't have been there. That's not that big of a revelation.</quote> I mean him having the rally alone makes him liable. Even if he kept up his stupid lie about the election being stolen, that doesn't matter that much. Him having that rally and getting people all jacked up caused what happened. He's 100% liable and should spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo Bay </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 06/13/21 8:30:23 PM #49:	ThunderTrain posted... I mean him having the rally alone makes him liable. Even if he kept up his stupid lie about the election being stolen, that doesn't matter that much. Him having that rally and getting people all jacked up caused what happened. He's 100% liable and should spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo Bay you're right logically and morally, but legally i doubt he could be found guilty. especially since it would go right to the supreme court and get hand waved away. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:954972829] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>ThunderTrain posted... </cite> <quote>I mean him having the rally alone makes him liable. Even if he kept up his stupid lie about the election being stolen, that doesn't matter that much. Him having that rally and getting people all jacked up caused what happened. He's 100% liable and should spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo Bay</quote>you're right logically and morally, but legally i doubt he could be found guilty. especially since it would go right to the supreme court and get hand waved away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 06/13/21 8:31:18 PM #50:	ooger posted... Yep. --- CPU i5 10600k, CPUC evga CLC 280x140, RAM tridentz 3200mhz cl14 32gb, MOBO Asus Rog strix e-gaming, GPU evga fc3 rtx 3070, PSU evga 850w G2, Samsung G7 32in. <cite>yutterh posted [p:954972850] in do you thi... [t:79510938]...</cite> <quote>ooger posted... </cite> <quote>Yep.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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