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Antifar 06/14/21 5:59:11 PM #1: |
Aside from DQXI and FF7R it doesn't seem like they've done much right, while seeming to make a bunch of missteps.
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ultimate reaver 06/14/21 5:59:30 PM #2: |
ff7r wasnt doing something right
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Antifar 06/14/21 5:59:53 PM #3: |
ultimate reaver posted...
ff7r wasnt doing something rightI thought fans were pretty happy with that? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Relient_K 06/14/21 6:01:14 PM #4: |
Antifar posted...
I thought fans were pretty happy with that? I enjoyed it a lot. Ff14 is still one of the most popular mmos. --- We all ate the biscuits, Fighter. We can all see through time. [ER] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 06/14/21 6:01:34 PM #5: |
Didn't Tomb Raider actually sell pretty well but they had ridiculous expectations for it? Also Nier seems pretty popular.
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ultimate reaver 06/14/21 6:01:41 PM #6: |
core ff fans are happy with anything, but they alienated a bunch of other people and really killed enthusiasm for sequels for people going in for nostalgia in the process
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SpiritSephiroth 06/14/21 6:01:58 PM #7: |
Antifar posted...
Aside from DQXI and FF7R it doesn't seem like they've done much right, while seeming to make a bunch of missteps. Hello? FF14 is literally the biggest MMO right now. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 06/14/21 6:02:02 PM #8: |
ultimate reaver posted...
ff7r wasnt doing something rightCombat system is better than the classic ATB style. --- ...I think I'm done here... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 06/14/21 6:02:39 PM #9: |
Antifar posted...
I thought fans were pretty happy with that? I sure am. And with Intermission DLC ending, I'm even more hyped for part 2. The majority of fans loved it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 06/14/21 6:03:26 PM #10: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Didn't Tomb Raider actually sell pretty well but they had ridiculous expectations for it?Yeah, and then the third game in that trilogy got shunted off in the process. Reportedly something similar happened with IO after Hitman 2016, which led to them getting let go. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 06/14/21 6:03:58 PM #11: |
FF14 was an oversight on my part, true.
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Cobra1010 06/14/21 6:04:29 PM #12: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Didn't Tomb Raider actually sell pretty well but they had ridiculous expectations for it? Also Nier seems pretty popular. Those are niche games. What little positive they got from those, Avengers probably broke even or did more damage. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Inigo 06/14/21 6:04:42 PM #13: |
I mean despite what CE would lead you to believe, Kingdom Hearts 3 was a big deal and well received
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Questionmarktarius 06/14/21 6:05:45 PM #14: |
Square has been a mess since that damned movie, twenty years ago.
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ManaYuka 06/14/21 6:06:44 PM #15: |
Theyve had a renaissance actually these last 5 years.
XV KH3 FFVIIR Nier Automata DQXI FFXIV Five Plus million sellers, havent done that since like 2009 with XIII, and even then XIII barely got that. All happened thanks to them getting rid of their last failure of a CEO Yoichi Wada. But this E3 definitely felt like old Yoichi Wada SE. Origins left a really bad first impression, whereas XVI left a good first impression, so its a little mixed now. --- Looking forward to- FFVII Remake Part 2, Final Fantasy XVI, REVIIlage, Elden Ring ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 06/14/21 6:08:45 PM #16: |
Cobra1010 posted...
Those are niche games. What little positive they got from those, Avengers probably broke even or did more damage.You might be right about Avengers outweighing that, but Tomb Raider isn't niche. That reboot sold 3 million copies in its first month. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Number090684 06/14/21 6:11:26 PM #17: |
They did it to themselves.
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Ilishe 06/14/21 6:13:38 PM #18: |
FF14 is good
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Darmik 06/14/21 6:14:37 PM #19: |
Square-Enix do have some pretty good developers and teams under their belt. But I think as a publisher they're the most out of touch one around. Constant baffling decisions. They're similar to Nintendo in a sense where despite being a global publisher they're often still making decisions solely on what's popular in Japan.
It was crazy how out of touch most of their E3 presentation was. Totally felt like an old awkward stage presentation brought into the new and digital era. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakonBitz 06/14/21 6:17:30 PM #20: |
ultimate reaver posted...
ff7r wasnt doing something rightCombat system was fun as hell, characters were done well, and the music was amazing. The story direction for future games is the only thing that might get some fans worried. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 06/14/21 6:19:16 PM #21: |
I think you're being too harsh on them overall, but I don't know if any major publisher has put out two total stinkers on the level of Balan's Wonderworld and The Quiet Man
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Irony 06/14/21 6:19:54 PM #22: |
FF7R and DQXI both sucked
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Gwynevere 06/14/21 6:20:56 PM #23: |
They published Nier Automata and developed Octopath, they're doing pretty well imo
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Hayame Zero 06/14/21 6:21:38 PM #24: |
BakonBitz posted...
Combat system was fun as hell, characters were done well, and the music was amazing. The story direction for future games is the only thing that might get some fans worried.I love the concept they've come up with so far, but I'm still cautiously optimistic. I like the idea of incorporating --- ...I think I'm done here... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordFarquad1312 06/14/21 6:21:48 PM #25: |
I fucking hated FF7R combat system.
Square needs to stop putting stagger bars or learn how to use them. What the fuck is the point of breaking the boss's stager bar if they get into a cutscene 3-5 times per battle and it resets the stagger bar each time? Just ignore that shit and dps the boss. And normal mobs die way before their stagger bar breaks. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KFHEWUI 06/14/21 6:24:37 PM #26: |
To be honest, if it were not for Enix, Square would have bitten the dust a long time ago. Seems like the only thing keeping them alive is piggy backing off of Enix.
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Hayame Zero 06/14/21 6:27:04 PM #27: |
KFHEWUI posted...
To be honest, if it were not for Enix, Square would have bitten the dust a long time ago. Seems like the only thing keeping them alive is piggy backing off of Enix.Yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize Enix were the ones who bought Square, not the other way around. They even discussed merging 20 years, but Enix backed out after Spirits Within bombed. --- ...I think I'm done here... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BettyWhite 06/14/21 6:30:15 PM #28: |
Overall loved the remake outside of the whispers... But I'll withhold judgment until they fully flesh out what they're doing with it.
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BakonBitz 06/14/21 6:30:48 PM #29: |
Hayame Zero posted...
I love the concept they've come up with so far, but I'm still cautiously optimistic. I like the idea of incorporatingSame. I hope they know what they're doing. LordFarquad1312 posted... I fucking hated FF7R combat system.The boss phase thing was annoying, definitely. I think the other thing about enemies dying too quickly is they were afraid of making every single enemy HP sponges like in FFXIII. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 06/14/21 6:32:19 PM #30: |
Even if you think FFVIIR is a great game the stuff around it is a mess. You've got that direct mobile remake of the entire previous continuity and you've got a battle royale game. All within the first year. Imagine how messy the universe is gonna look like in a decade.
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BakonBitz 06/14/21 6:34:28 PM #31: |
Darmik posted...
Even if you think FFVIIR is a great game the stuff around it is a mess. You've got that direct mobile remake of the entire previous continuity and you've got a battle royale game. All within the first year. Imagine how messy the universe is gonna look like in a decade.Yeah, they're definitely milking the FFVII universe dry, if they didn't already do it with the Compilation years ago, lol. Ever Crisis is the funniest one to me because it's literally the FFVII remake a lot of people wanted and yet it's mobile only and episodic. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Inigo 06/14/21 6:34:32 PM #32: |
Darmik posted...
Even if you think FFVIIR is a great game the stuff around it is a mess. You've got that direct mobile remake of the entire previous continuity and you've got a battle royale game. All within the first year. Imagine how messy the universe is gonna look like in a decade.They've been milking FF7 for 20 years. This is nothing new --- "This is your last dance." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 06/14/21 6:37:01 PM #33: |
Blue_Inigo posted...
They've been milking FF7 for 20 years. This is nothing newThere's been WAY worse stuff than what's going on now. And even though Intermission incorporated Dirge of Cerberus stuff, at least it doesn't play like it. --- ...I think I'm done here... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 06/14/21 6:38:04 PM #34: |
Blue_Inigo posted...
They've been milking FF7 for 20 years. This is nothing new I'm not denying that. More that I'm baffled how they're milking it. The Final Fantasy 1-6 re-release announcement is something that could only come from the brains of Square-Enix. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 06/14/21 6:42:17 PM #35: |
Hayame Zero posted...
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize Enix were the ones who bought Square, not the other way around. They even discussed merging 20 years, but Enix backed out after Spirits Within bombed.KH1 put them back in favor with Enix. --- When Kaidou fails to keep up with Luffy in their next fight remember this conversation - MrDrMan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivany2008 06/14/21 6:51:24 PM #36: |
I don't think they have done bad for themselves but I do wish they had a branch company that could make their classic games. Talking about Final Fantasy 1-9 style rpgs, tactics, secret of mana, terranigma, all that fun stuff.
This Square-Enix seems to push Marvel games which is fine if your into that, but I'm not. They also seem to push this idea that they are good at making action rpg games, which they are not. Sure they made Secret of Mana, but that was 27 years ago, and if I'm being honest, Enix 1-up'd them with Terranigmas combat system. Might not be the best game in the world but its a treasure that not enough people know about. They have a formula that works but they refuse to use it. ATB rpg with a landscape similar to a Final Fantasy 9. But for some god awful reason they keep going back to trying to be Devil May Cry even down to hiring one of their former designers. I love Square-Enix to death but their business model is cash before quality. It works... I'm just not a fan of it. I'd rather see them barely break even on a game that is outstanding than release garbage based on recently released films. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xerun 06/14/21 6:56:06 PM #37: |
I loved World of Final Fantasy but I think Im in the minority there as there hasnt been any news on a sequel
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daynlokki 06/14/21 7:00:09 PM #38: |
If by rough 5 years you mean about a billion dollars in profit then yes.
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DezDroppedFreak 06/14/21 7:01:03 PM #39: |
KFHEWUI posted...
To be honest, if it were not for Enix, Square would have bitten the dust a long time ago. Seems like the only thing keeping them alive is piggy backing off of Enix. Considering they were literally on the verge of bankruptcy when the merger happened because of Spirits Within, yeah --- I feel like Ratatouille when I'm whipping that cheddar ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 06/14/21 7:07:45 PM #40: |
Ivany2008 posted...
I don't think they have done bad for themselves but I do wish they had a branch company that could make their classic games. Talking about Final Fantasy 1-9 style rpgs, tactics, secret of mana, terranigma, all that fun stuff.They have some of that with the Bravely series, Octopath, and project triangle strategy, but it would be nice if there were more frequent releases of those kinds of games. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivany2008 06/14/21 7:22:58 PM #41: |
EmbraceOfDeath posted...
They have some of that with the Bravely series, Octopath, and project triangle strategy, but it would be nice if there were more frequent releases of those kinds of games. Art-wise bravely doesn't interest me. Loved Octopath, but knowing the next game is going to be a strategy game means that we are at least 4 years from another turn-based rpg from them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Payzmaykr 06/14/21 7:25:19 PM #42: |
DQXI was an Enix project, to be fair. Im sure square had a hand in it, but you know they took the backseat.
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Blue_Inigo 06/14/21 7:26:58 PM #43: |
Payzmaykr posted...
DQXI was an Enix project, to be fair. Im sure square had a hand in it, but you know they took the backseat."Just a remake" That's a real stupid way of describing a made from the ground up reimagining of FF7 --- "This is your last dance." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Payzmaykr 06/14/21 7:29:35 PM #44: |
Blue_Inigo posted...
"Just a remake"Im not saying they did a bad job, but its still a remake of something that someone else made. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kage_53 06/14/21 7:30:22 PM #45: |
Hayame Zero posted...
Combat system is better than the classic ATB style. From what I heard, Square decided that zack and aeris never die which pissed off a lot of people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daynlokki 06/14/21 7:40:35 PM #46: |
Payzmaykr posted...
Im not saying they did a bad job, but its still a remake of something that someone else made.With essentially a completely different stroy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daynlokki 06/14/21 7:40:56 PM #47: |
kage_53 posted...
From what I heard, Square decided that zack and aeris never die which pissed off a lot of people.Different timeline and just Zack so far. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VitalGetPrank 06/14/21 7:43:34 PM #48: |
Hayame Zero posted...
Combat system is better than the classic ATB style.Too bad they're retconning everything emotional about the original series. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daynlokki 06/14/21 7:48:00 PM #49: |
VitalGetPrank posted...
Too bad they're retconning everything emotional about the original series.Too bad this is essentially a sequel to the original series with time shenanigans. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakonBitz 06/14/21 7:48:03 PM #50: |
Payzmaykr posted...
Im not saying they did a bad job, but its still a remake of something that someone else made.To be fair the same developers are on the project. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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