Current Events > "You don't need a gun because the government can destroy you"

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Biden just made the best case for the 2nd amendment I've ever heard.

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No, the military can destroy you, most of whom may or more likely not abide by such a order.


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can u buuy tanks and nukes he isnt wrong

Don't work out cause MMA fighter will still destroy you in a fight.

Damn it, Biden, stop waving it around that the best thing about you is you're not Trump.

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That's the leftist argument. "You won't win anyway. Might as well give up anything that could give you even the smallest chance of personal defense."

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The_Korey posted...

Damn it, Biden, stop waving it around that the best thing about you is you're not Trump.

Thats the level of politics because our country is too fucking stupid to elect a competent person

Prismsblade posted...

No, the military can destroy you, most of whom may or more likely not abide by such a order.

You say that, but they will follow orders whether just or not.

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As a liberalhorrible take. Im keeping my guns. I know I wouldnt win a fight against the military but thats not why I have them.

I have em to defend myself from crooked cops and Qultists.



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You're about 10000000000 times as likely use your gun to shoot yourself or a family member than to rebel against the government.

As long as people continue to claim they need their guns for if the government comes after them, pointing out that their guns are going to do nothing if they're targeted by the government is a valid response.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

As long as people continue to claim they need their guns for if the government comes after them, pointing out that their guns are going to do nothing if they're targeted by the government is a valid response.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

As long as people continue to claim they need their guns for if the government comes after them, pointing out that their guns are going to do nothing if they're targeted by the government is a valid response.

If guns are going to do nothing, then they must not be dangerous enough to be worth banning.

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TerraSeeker posted...

You say that, but they will follow orders whether just or not.

What? How much military support did Trump have on Jan, 6th again?

And why do you think they'd suddenly follow unethical orders and leaders with Biden in charge now vs Trump?

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I'd rather die trying than submit

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remember when the government really was becoming fascist

and the gun loving 2A folks cheered them on.

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Pepys Monster posted...

That's the leftist argument. "You won't win anyway. Might as well give up anything that could give you even the smallest chance of personal defense."

What is a leftist in your mind? Communists support gun ownership.

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MixedRaceBaby posted...

remember when the government really was becoming fascist

and the gun loving 2A folks cheered them on.

I like guns and I've never really liked trump

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Shablagoo posted...

What is a leftist in your mind? Communists support gun ownership.

Gavin Newsom and his supporters.

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Prismsblade posted...

No, the military can destroy you, most of whom may or more likely not abide by such a order.

That's when the government whips out the army of battle droids they have developed in secret.

TerraSeeker posted...

You say that, but they will follow orders whether just or not.

I don't know. Would they be so quick to turn their guns on their own friends and family members? Because that's who they'd be killing. I think a significant number of them would refuse to obey and would side with the people.

Anyway it doesn't matter because that scenario won't ever happen. I used to say I support the 2nd Amendment to protect ourselves from tyranny but then I realized we already live under tyranny and most of us just don't realize it because we have a skewed idea of what it actually is.

Prismsblade posted...

No, the military can destroy you, most of whom may or more likely not abide by such a order.

"Autonomous Drone Strike In Libya Subject Of Recent United Nations Report Autonomous drones can fly themselves to a specific location, pick their own targets and kill without the assistance of a remote human operator. The U.N. says such a drone was in the air in March 2020."
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Background_Guy posted...

You're about 10000000000 times as likely use your gun to shoot yourself or a family member than to rebel against the government.

Ok, the suicide argument is fair and, yeah, we arent likely to be fighting our government. But what about those jackasses breaking into peoples homes? Gun owners defend against those criminals more often than a lot of people realize.

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This fantasy that conservatives have in mind of the military taking their GOVERNMENT ISSUED tanks and weapons with them to stand behind cletus and Ralph with their shotguns on the front lines outside the White House.

theyre not going to side with us and those who do will be just as underpowered as we are. We already see it on a small scale with cops. They join the ranks, let the power go to their head and
forget about the citizens, thinking theyre above us. You dont think military members have that complex? Please lol.

would they turn their guns on their own friends and family members? No maybe not but they would on a random citizen, just like cops do. This country has literally had wars where families fought against each other. You dont think that will happen again? lmao I got news for you

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Pepys Monster posted...

If guns are going to do nothing, then they must not be dangerous enough to be worth banning.

What a weird fallacy

A gun not stopping the US army doesn't mean "It does nothing and isnt dangerous "

and I'm pseudo on your side here . Confiscating guns in the US is a terrible idea

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Pepys Monster posted...

That's the leftist argument. "You won't win anyway. Might as well give up anything that could give you even the smallest chance of personal defense."

More a liberal one. Lots of them aren't the types to actually fight for what they believe in. Leftist types are more pro gun.

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The fact the ones who most loudly proclaim they need their guns to defend against an oppressive government then actually go on to help an oppressive government be more oppressive is certainly something though.

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TerraSeeker posted...

You say that, but they will follow orders whether just or not.

The military tends to be a different beast. They have enough power to either not abide by unjust orders or can remain neutral. Most people join for a wide range of reasons (college, citizenship, benefits, leg up in other careers), little of it tends to be cause they want power over individuals or if they do its towards those who have no affiliation to their home and even then that section encompasses maybe 3% of it (the GITSUM crowd).

Id be more worried about police forces, many of whom (not all obviously) join specifically because they want control and power trip towards their own communities and citizens. As well as being more willing to cover up and keep quiet about unjust events. of which police are much more easier to "deal with".

OT: Like every other similar statement they never actually think what goes into an actual fight nor do they care about contradicting their own words. if a government is willing to kill you, why the ever loving fuck wouldnt you want to atleast TRY to protect your self? "citizens dont need weapons of war" as said government threatens its own citizens with "weapons of war". saying an AR15 wont amount to anything while touting 1/6 almost ended democracy via 200 UNARMED idiots taking selfies.

TheVipaGTS posted...

They join the ranks, let the power go to their head and
forget about the citizens, thinking theyre above us. You dont think military members have that complex? Please lol.

This isn't true. I was in the US Army for 7 years. We never "forgot about the citizens." We enjoy mingling with citizens.

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Biden said that? I thought the title quote was a strawman.

Oh, shit-fuck. Way to galvanize the right there, Biden.

Pepys Monster posted...

This isn't true. I was in the US Army for 7 years. We never "forgot about the citizens." We enjoy mingling with citizens.

And Ive seen military members let it get to their head, even for something small like a military discount at the store (Ive legit had some flip out on me when I worked retail because my store didnt have one). You guys arent a monolith. Im not saying I know whats going to happen, but history doesnt favor us.

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I agree with Karl Marx on gun control.

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Heaven forbid a person would want 20% off of bananas after being shot at.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Heaven forbid a person would want 20% off of bananas after being shot at.

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They aren't entitled to special treatment for the job they chose.

The real winners here will be the guns and ammo shops.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

"Autonomous Drone Strike In Libya Subject Of Recent United Nations Report Autonomous drones can fly themselves to a specific location, pick their own targets and kill without the assistance of a remote human operator. The U.N. says such a drone was in the air in March 2020."

Unless you're talking about some sort of terminator skynet/AI thing or something there are humans somewhere down this logistics ladder. Be they the designers, programers, manufacturers, maintenance personal or etc.

Seriously, our military is not going to be some unified force ready to enforce dictator rule at the drop of a hat.

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Prismsblade posted...

Unless you're talking about some sort of terminator skynet/AI thing or something there are humans somewhere down this logistics ladder.

https://www.businessinsider.com/killer-drone-hunted-down-human-target-without-being-told-un-2021-5

Prismsblade posted...

Unless you're talking about some sort of terminator skynet/AI thing or something there are humans somewhere down this logistics ladder. Be they the designers, programers, manufacturers, maintenance personal or etc.

Since when do we do any of those things in the U.S.? That work is already done and the people didn't care who they killed in Libya and I doubt they'll care when it's a U.S. citizen. A lot of delusional people here would cheer if Edward Snowden was droned to death.
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TheOtherMike posted...

They aren't entitled to special treatment for the job they chose.

Civilians frequently choose jobs based upon employment-specific perks. :/

Laughs in Vietnamese

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No one who isn't hunting for food (and can't afford meat otherwise) needs a gun.

But there's nothing wrong with wanting a gun. Its so weird how some Americans claim they need one. You dont.

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I think if anyone says they own guns to Stand up against the government isnt mature enough to own a firearm

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FortuneCookie posted...

Civilians frequently choose jobs based upon employment-specific perks. :/

Perks provided by the job, not any random business they walk into.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

The real winners here will be the guns and ammo shops.

im starting to get convinced that this is all a setup to keep ammo scarce.

TheOtherMike posted...

Perks provided by the job, not any random business they walk into.

You make it sound like the government puts a gun to the head of business owners and forces them to let veterans have everything at half price. Military discounts are voluntary and generally in the 10 to 20% area.

And, yes, there are business which have connections to places which allow discounts. If you won't admit you were wrong in your choice of words, at least divert the conversation elsewhere. It's clear you're itching to share your thoughts on soldiers as a whole so others can be shocked and appalled by your hot take.

FortuneCookie posted...

You make it sound like the government puts a gun to the head of business owners and forces them to let veterans have everything at half price. Military discounts are voluntary and generally in the 10 to 20% area.

And, yes, there are business which have connections to places which allow discounts. If you won't admit you were wrong in your choice of words, at least divert the conversation elsewhere. It's clear you're itching to share your thoughts on soldiers as a whole so others can be shocked and appalled by your hot take.

Jesus Christ, just go bang a service person already.
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Well, the thing is, they don't wanna kill all the people with guns. Governments want more people as their subjects. Sure they're willing to kill when its convenient for something else, but overall they'd rather you just submit, than have to kill you.

The second amendment creates a situation where the tyrant, no matter how big his army, has to kill the armed citizen or they'll never assume the full control they want. The only other option is for the tyrant to give up.

All these individual citizens stand no chance against the standing army, or their high tech equipment. But the idea is, you'll be dead before you're subjugated.

FortuneCookie posted...

You make it sound like the government puts a gun to the head of business owners and forces them to let veterans have everything at half price.

No I don't.

FortuneCookie posted...

Military discounts are voluntary and generally in the 10 to 20% area.

Correct, they're voluntary. Anyone who throws a fit because a business doesn't offer them a military discount is an entitled baby.

FortuneCookie posted...

And, yes, there are business which have connections to places which allow discounts.

But you don't gat a discount at any random business you walk into.

FortuneCookie posted...

If you won't admit you were wrong in your choice of words

I wasn't. You need to learn to read.

FortuneCookie posted...

It's clear you're itching to share your thoughts on soldiers as a whole so others can be shocked and appalled by your hot take.

No. I was responding to your post implying that they're entitled to a discount at any store they enter. I'm indifferent to the military. I'm from an Air Force family, I've dated men in the Army, Marines, and National Reserve. Time to admit you're wrong.

Webmaster4531 posted...

Jesus Christ, just go bang a service person already.

Is Gal Gadot available?

*laughs in Viet Cong*

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