Poll of the Day > Attractive SINGLE Men have their SEXUALITY Questioned but NOT Ugly Single Men...

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Clench281 posted...

With this information, all you're going to do is complain about it?

Try working on having a more attractive personality. Step 1 of which is dropping the incel rhetoric and working on improving yourself

What we're trying to tell is that it's objectively harder for men find partners than for women but most people don't even care or just downplay their struggles.

"Just try to improve yourself lol"

That's like telling a depressed person "Just don't be sad".
It's not that easy, especially for people that already have low self-esteem.

But wait, there are women out there that has horrible personalities as well. Do they struggle finding partners?

Nah, they don't need to "improve themselves" they'll find someone anyway(or someone will find them rather).

LinkPizza posted...

That probably because of how it's used. People tell males to swipe right on everybody. And many do. Meaning that a female looking for a males most likely is going to get more swipes since many males (not all, though) follow this rule. Females normally don't, though...

Well, and the fact that there are way more males on the site. I read somewhere it was nine to one. Another site says 75.8% male and 24.2% female. Basically, females would most likely get more hits just because they have more males to hit on them...

Of course there are more men on dating apps.
When they can't find any women IRL, then they start using dating apps as a last resort and try their luck with every women they can find.

That's desperation.

I'm not saying that women should be forced to try to match with more men.
That's their choice.

I just want people to understand how hard it is for men to find a partner in comparison to women and don't shame men because when they complain and can't find any.

We should help eachother and not belittle people when they struggle.

Both women and men needs help but it feels like mostly women are only receiving any help nowadays.
Yeah women struggled in the past but men also did albeit in different ways.
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LeetCheet posted...

"Just try to improve yourself lol"

That's like telling a depressed person "Just don't be sad".

Those are very different statements, though. Its not easy to improve yourself, but you can. You do a little at a time. Could be changing you diet or sleeping habits. Or learning a new skill. Its very different from depression. A depress person cant usually just make themselves happy. But anyone can do something to improve themselves

LeetCheet posted...

Of course there are more men on dating apps.
When they can't find any women IRL, then they start using dating apps as a last resort and try their luck with every women they can find.

That's desperation.

I'm not saying that women should be forced to try to match with more men.
That's their choice.

I just want people to understand how hard it is for men to find a partner in comparison to women and don't shame men because when they complain and can't find any.

We should help eachother and not belittle people when they struggle.

Both women and men needs help but it feels like mostly women are only receiving any help nowadays.
Yeah women struggled in the past but men also did albeit in different ways.

The only people who cant seem to find females in real life tend to be on this site. Ive never seen stuff like this in real life. Thats why its kind of hard to believe. Ive seen some guys that dont seen that attractive find females. Some with ease, where others have trouble. But not the same trouble as people on this site Also, if it is desperation, thats probably part of the problem. Desperation can be unattractive

And I can really say whether its harder for men or women to find partners. I think the both have trouble for different reasons
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LeetCheet posted...

Both women and men needs help but it feels like mostly women are only receiving any help nowadays.

Friends and family can assist by reaching out, but by and large men having trouble in this regard need to make the choices to help themselves. You can't change someone who doesn't want to change themselves.

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LeetCheet posted...

I just want people to understand how hard it is for men to find a partner in comparison to women and don't shame men because when they complain and can't find any.

It's not hard for men, it's hard for you and people like the other guy I was arguing with because you expect shit to fall in your lap or you aren't interesting.

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EvilMegas posted...

It's not hard for men, it's hard for you and people like the other guy I was arguing with because you expect shit to fall in your lap or you aren't interesting.

Look there's a difference between expecting stuff to fall in your lap and being on a dating site for 8 years and get a 5% success rate and have maybe a tenth of those matches actually agree to meet up. It's easy to sit there on a pedestal and just call people incels but what that other guy said is cracked you should be trying to help these men not put them down.

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EvilMegas posted...

It's not hard for men, it's hard for you and people like the other guy I was arguing with because you expect shit to fall in your lap or you aren't interesting.

Like what are you basing this off of? I work with a lot of guys aged 17 to 22 (a lot of them are really good looking) and I think maybe 2/3 out of the 25 I've worked with over the last few years have had girlfriends where as almost every woman there out of the 28 have had bfs.

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deoxxys posted...

Look there's a difference between expecting stuff to fall in your lap and being on a dating site for 8 years and get a 5% success rate and have maybe a tenth of those matches actually agree to meet up. It's easy to sit there on a pedestal and just call people incels but what that other guy said is cracked you should be trying to help these men not put them down.

I've never called you an incel. I said you're unattractive and your dating site numbers just backed up my claim.

I never put Leetcheet down in this topic. I told him the honest truth, like I'm doing you. You both think it's everyone else's fault you can talk to people, but it's really your own.

deoxxys posted...

Like what are you basing this off of? I work with a lot of guys aged 17 to 22 (a lot of them are really good looking) and I think maybe 2/3 out of the 25 I've worked with over the last few years have had girlfriends where as almost every woman there out of the 28 have had bfs.

Weird that you know that off hand about random people you work with. Anyway, your personal anecdote is worthless as "proof".

I can toss my own worthless anecdote in here too: I know a dude who is ugly as sin and used to suck his thumb well into high school and he got endless women, because he was a cool ass dude, he was funny and he knew how to talk to people.

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I can't believe there was actually an argument on whether or not women have it easier finding a date/relationship. Men have to go out and find a girl, girls just have to sit back and wait for someone, it's 0 effort for girls. I'm not saying it's easier to be a girl in general or anything like that (men have it a lot easier in other things), but as far as just finding a date/relationship, it is definitely in the girls favor.

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Lol I totally would want muscles backing me up on something like this.

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LinkPizza posted...

That probably because of how it's used. People tell males to swipe right on everybody. And many do. Meaning that a female looking for a males most likely is going to get more swipes since many males (not all, though) follow this rule. Females normally don't, though...

Well, and the fact that there are way more males on the site. I read somewhere it was nine to one. Though, another site says 75.8% male and 24.2% female. In the end, while the more are different numbers on for every survey, one things stays the same. And its that there are way more guys on TinderBasically, females would most likely get more hits just because they have more males to hit on them...

Damnit, @LinkPizza is actually the most reasonable person in this topic. Well I'll be damned.

But yea, all of this. QFT.

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LinkPizza posted...

Those are very different statements, though. Its not easy to improve yourself, but you can. You do a little at a time. Could be changing you diet or sleeping habits. Or learning a new skill. Its very different from depression. A depress person cant usually just make themselves happy. But anyone can do something to improve themselves

The only people who cant seem to find females in real life tend to be on this site. Ive never seen stuff like this in real life. Thats why its kind of hard to believe. Ive seen some guys that dont seen that attractive find females. Some with ease, where others have trouble. But not the same trouble as people on this site Also, if it is desperation, thats probably part of the problem. Desperation can be unattractive

And I can really say whether its harder for men or women to find partners. I think the both have trouble for different reasons

QFT

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attractive men can still be financially unstable thus leading to being single

LinkPizza posted...

That probably because of how it's used. People tell males to swipe right on everybody. And many do. Meaning that a female looking for a males most likely is going to get more swipes since many males (not all, though) follow this rule. Females normally don't, though...

People out there really just swipe right on everybody? That seems reckless and stupid...

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random_man9119 posted...

People out there really just swipe right on everybody? That seems reckless and stupid...

It is. But theyve been told to do that to get matches. So some guys do it
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teddy241 posted...

attractive men can still be financially unstable thus leading to being single

Lots of poor men have women. Stop painting all women as gold diggers

Sycophant posted...

teddy241 posted...

attractive men can still be financially unstable thus leading to being single

Lots of poor men have women. Stop painting all women as gold diggers

And lots of men are decent people that just want to live a happy life.
But that doesn't stop people from painting all men as sexist scumbags and potential rapists.
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Sycophant posted...

Lots of poor men have women. Stop painting all women as gold diggers

I dont think thats what hes doing. Hes right, though. Some women do not want a man thats financially unstable. But that doesnt make them gold diggers. If someone is financially irresponsible, that could cause problems in the relationship
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It also depends on what they have been through... I have been called attractive, but am currently single. The kicker is that I got a divorce finalized last year. I am extremely apprehensive now, and have a shield up because I was done wrongly. She kept our house and I have to start over basically at 40 years old.

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deoxxys posted...

Look there's a difference between expecting stuff to fall in your lap and being on a dating site for 8 years and get a 5% success rate and have maybe a tenth of those matches actually agree to meet up. It's easy to sit there on a pedestal and just call people incels but what that other guy said is cracked you should be trying to help these men not put them down.

I'll open some profiles around October for the first time and we'll see how it goes. I don't say incel shit so I guarantee even somebody like me who has a lot of anxiety would get more matches than 5%
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Revelation34 posted...

I'll open some profiles around October for the first time and we'll see how it goes. I don't say incel shit so I guarantee even somebody like me who has a lot of anxiety would get more matches than 5%

Its a ballpark estimate to establish a point. Also you think that simply saying its far easier for women to get laid/dates is "incel" shit? Dude you are beyond fucking hilarious, that is REALITY. You are going to start a profile for the first time in October? As in you have NEVER actually had any experience on a dating website/app? Let me give you a heads up, you dont have to say ANYTHING to get ignored on somewhere like Tinder, more then half your matches will not even respond, another chunk wont reply beyond 1-2 messages. If you dont believe it now, you wil once you actually get out and experience it instead of being so naive.

You can have the best intentions, and have the most positive outlook ever, but that wont change reality. Here if you can bother to spare some time and have an open-mind, here is a woman posing as her good looking guy friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZTIbHIsIYw
(Too Long Didnt Watch version is: she starts out thinking shes going to blow through this but gets very disheartened at the reality of dating as a man).

Also enough with the incel shit accusations. The point of an incel is you are involuntarily celibate. I have lots of notches on my belt and its isnt "impossible" to get laid or get dates. But ignoring that the substantial gap between what men and women draw is stupid and dismissive of reality.

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I think it's extremely disheartening that you can't even complain about anything without being called an incel these days.

It's like a couple of years ago when people used the word Bigot every time they disagreed with someone.

And before that people called guys who couldn't get laid or even a date a virgin.

Why can't we just stop with the namecalling? Calling people certain words just because you don't like what they say isn't gonna help anything or anyone.
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The secrets all attitude. If ya walk around with a defeatist attitude trying to excuse yourself before ya even fail then dont be shocked when you fail. Social interactions are like the placebo effect. Belief helps a ton.
Second stop looking for it online. Its known online dating sites are a sausage fest. And nope Im not a wizard just using common sense and actually not practiced what I preach. Try it and stop whining cause that sure as fuck wont get yall a date. Shit even faking it confidence would be more successful than a pity party.

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> Attractive SINGLE Men have their SEXUALITY Questioned but NOT Ugly Single Men...

Why would anyone care about the sexuality of someone who definitely doesn't LOOK like a prospect

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deoxxys posted...

Its a ballpark estimate to establish a point. Also you think that simply saying its far easier for women to get laid/dates is "incel" shit? Dude you are beyond fucking hilarious, that is REALITY. You are going to start a profile for the first time in October? As in you have NEVER actually had any experience on a dating website/app? Let me give you a heads up, you dont have to say ANYTHING to get ignored on somewhere like Tinder, more then half your matches will not even respond, another chunk wont reply beyond 1-2 messages. If you dont believe it now, you wil once you actually get out and experience it instead of being so naive.

You can have the best intentions, and have the most positive outlook ever, but that wont change reality. Here if you can bother to spare some time and have an open-mind, here is a woman posing as her good looking guy friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZTIbHIsIYw
(Too Long Didnt Watch version is: she starts out thinking shes going to blow through this but gets very disheartened at the reality of dating as a man).

Also enough with the incel shit accusations. The point of an incel is you are involuntarily celibate. I have lots of notches on my belt and its isnt "impossible" to get laid or get dates. But ignoring that the substantial gap between what men and women draw is stupid and dismissive of reality.

I said dating profile, not hook up profile.
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You don't have to be an incel to be spreading incel rhetoric

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

The secrets all attitude. If ya walk around with a defeatist attitude trying to excuse yourself before ya even fail then dont be shocked when you fail. Social interactions are like the placebo effect. Belief helps a ton.
Second stop looking for it online. Its known online dating sites are a sausage fest. And nope Im not a wizard just using common sense and actually not practiced what I preach. Try it and stop whining cause that sure as fuck wont get yall a date. Shit even faking it confidence would be more successful than a pity party.

You usually get a defeatist attitude when you've suffered from depression for most of your life.

And guess what? Most men doesn't even receive any sort of help at all with their mental health.
And they are afraid to call for help because people just call them losers for showing any kind of emotion other than anger.

Wait, they just get accused of having anger problems if they express anger as well.

It's not like men become easily irritated when they're depressed or something.

The suicide rate for men has steadily increased for decades?
Who gives a shit? They should've just manned up.

I know it might make sense to you but it simply doesn't work to tell a depressed person that has been suffering from it for years to 'drop that attitude' or 'man up'.
That'll just make the person feel even worse because they feel like they can't do anything.

Look, most people who haven't experienced depression themselves have no idea what it's like to be depressed.

And I don't mean depression like something happened and you're sad for a while.
No I mean, long term depression like you feel nothing and doing something simple as getting out of bed is an accomplishment because it feels like you have a huge concrete block on you that's keeping you down.
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Yeah I've been a depressed suicidal closeted obese kid into teen into adult with no friends and no hobbies other than WoW

Not being able to get a girlfriend sucks I'm sure, just like having to live a closeted life without even imagining the option of pursuing a romantic relationship

So yeah, I know what real depression is like, and yes you will require more "activation energy" due to less motivation to get certain things done. But no one can force you to make that effort.

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It's the 2000s everyone grew up depressed.


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LeetCheet posted...

Most men doesn't even receive any sort of help at all with their mental health.
And they are afraid to call for help because people just call them losers for showing any kind of emotion other than anger.

But you still can get help. Dont worry what other people think of you. Men are humans with real emotions, and get help with their mental state when they need it. The people who tell you otherwise arent worth you time
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Clench281 posted...

Yeah I've been a depressed suicidal closeted obese kid into teen into adult with no friends and no hobbies other than WoW

Not being able to get a girlfriend sucks I'm sure, just like having to live a closeted life without even imagining the option of pursuing a romantic relationship

So yeah, I know what real depression is like, and yes you will require more "activation energy" due to less motivation to get certain things done. But no one can force you to make that effort.

So you do understand how it is to be depressed?
But why are you calling people incels then?
Back when you were in that situation, would you wanted to be called an incel or just been taken seriously?

EvilMegas posted...

It's the 2000s everyone grew up depressed.

Yes. Some people more than others and not everyone can find themselves out of it.
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No shit, that doesn't excuse you deflecting blame on other people for not talking to you first.

Maybe you should work on yourself before trying to find a partner.

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LeetCheet posted...

But why are you calling people incels then?

Maybe I missed it, but I didnt see Clench call anyone in this topic an incel
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EvilMegas posted...

No shit, that doesn't excuse you deflecting blame on other people for not talking to you first.

Maybe you should work on yourself before trying to find a partner.

I don't expect anyone to talk to me because people have treated me like air for most of the last two decades of my life.

Women have demanded help from others and demanded the society to adjust for them and unlike men, they actually get that for the most part.

Men always get told to 'work on themselves' instead of getting some actual assistance.

There exists so many facilities for women to receive help with their problems, why aren't there as many facilities for men as well?

No, men are expected to help themselves completely on their own and most of the media only talks about women's problems nowadays.

Men commits suicide almost four times more than women.

That's so tragic, why aren't there more headlines on this?
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Getting assistance is a form of working on yourself
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Cheet, I'm done wasting my time on you.

I'm not here to fix your life, dude. Go get help, help yourself, or don't. I don't care, honestly.


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LeetCheet posted...

I don't expect anyone to talk to me because people have treated me like air for most of the last two decades of my life.

Women have demanded help from others and demanded the society to adjust for them and unlike men, they actually get that for the most part.

Men always get told to 'work on themselves' instead of getting some actual assistance.

There exists so many facilities for women to receive help with their problems, why aren't there as many facilities for men as well?

No, men are expected to help themselves completely on their own and most of the media only talks about women's problems nowadays.

Men commits suicide almost four times more than women.

That's so tragic, why aren't there more headlines on this?

Therapy.
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I'm not trying to get anyone here to fix my life.

I just want more people to understand how much it sucks to suffer from depression and all you get to hear how evil and "privileged" white men are.

And specifically white middle-aged men is the demographic that has the most amount of suicides every year.

That doesn't sound so privileged to me. If they were as privileged as so many people claim, they would get professional help the minute they realized they were depressed.
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LeetCheet posted...

they would get professional help the minute they realized they were depressed.

You can. The only person stopping you is yourself
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LeetCheet posted...

I'm not trying to get anyone here to fix my life.

Yes, this is obvious. You're actively refusing or resisting anything that might help you.

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I'm seeing a therapist though.
But it feels fruitless.

What I need IRL is a proper friend that I can hang out with and learn to socialize with but that's currently impossible because of Covid.

I'd love to hang out after work with any or some of my coworkers.

It has been years since I felt I actually belonged somewhere.

There is one coworker especially that I'd like talk with more often. She also suffers mentally like me, except she has ADHD and I have Aspergers.

We've talked about our issues and what we have in common on a few occasions and it always lessens the internal weight I feel in my head somewhat whenever we talk.

She is the only one at work(except for my boss) that knows I have Aspergers and that I have a hard time socializing with others.
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A friend is a good idea. Try to hang out with her more often. And there are many places and ways to make friends. Youll have to find the one that works for you, though. Even the therapist could help you find ways to make friends. Even one really good friend would help. And you can meet through friends through them
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If you and your coworkers are fully vaccinated, you can hang out in person. Indoors. Without masks even! Unless you live with or care for someone who is not vaccinated or immunosuppressed, that is.

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I doubt this will change the mind of anyone in denial but I made poll on CE:

"Is it much easier for women to get laid/get dates?"
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79558830

Yes=96.3% Its equal=3.64 No=0%
Total number of votes = 55

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Oh my God 55 people on a video game message board! You've changed my mind!

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LeetCheet posted...

I just want more people to understand how much it sucks to suffer from depression and all you get to hear how evil and "privileged" white men are.

And specifically white middle-aged men is the demographic that has the most amount of suicides every year.

That doesn't sound so privileged to me. If they were as privileged as so many people claim, they would get professional help the minute they realized they were depressed.

Hey, if you want to go down this road. White men made are societal norms this way. It's white dudes fault it's seen as weak to get professional help in America.

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EvilMegas posted...

Oh my God 55 people on a video game message board! You've changed my mind!

Not only that, but its CE
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LeetCheet posted...

You usually get a defeatist attitude when you've suffered from depression for most of your life.

And guess what? Most men doesn't even receive any sort of help at all with their mental health.
And they are afraid to call for help because people just call them losers for showing any kind of emotion other than anger.

Wait, they just get accused of having anger problems if they express anger as well.

It's not like men become easily irritated when they're depressed or something.

The suicide rate for men has steadily increased for decades?
Who gives a shit? They should've just manned up.

I know it might make sense to you but it simply doesn't work to tell a depressed person that has been suffering from it for years to 'drop that attitude' or 'man up'.
That'll just make the person feel even worse because they feel like they can't do anything.

Look, most people who haven't experienced depression themselves have no idea what it's like to be depressed.

And I don't mean depression like something happened and you're sad for a while.
No I mean, long term depression like you feel nothing and doing something simple as getting out of bed is an accomplishment because it feels like you have a huge concrete block on you that's keeping you down.

Im a gay and black. I suffered from major depressive disorder most my early teenage years. Shits only as fruitless as you let it get. So dont use that my lifes worse bullshit with me.
Youve gotta get up and tell yourself no thanks and keep pushing towards the improvement. So if ya want to lay down wallow thats on you fam. But take accountability or dont be shocked when people get tired of your excuses.

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EvilMegas posted...

Oh my God 55 people on a video game message board! You've changed my mind!

I dont know what alternate dimension you live in but Im done trying to convince you.

I dont need to worry about spending my time and effort on this.

We can agree to disagree but understand you are in a minority that thinks somehow its just as easy for men to find dates as women, even though you see signs of it in everday life where such as Simp culture and F*** boy culture.

/untracked

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Im a gay and black.

Same!

deoxxys posted...

I dont know what alternate dimension you live in but Im done trying to convince you.

Tbh, you should probably find you info from somewhere better than CE. I mean, many people on this board (and a few others) call CE a cesspool. Thats the group that thought I was white-knighting a female I didnt know just because I didnt instantly blast her when I started posting in a topic. They arent really the best. And not saying this is bad, but I think a lot of them were virgins, so probably not the best choice of people to ask since they would most likely say yes. Not only that, but thats also a small amount for the amount of people on CE Arent there like a shit ton of people. And many might actually be trying to use apps as proof. But like I explained earlier, the apps are only easier for females because there are less females. If there were more females, or even an equal number, it would probably be easier for guys on the app Also, the way the mind works is different. Many guys (but not all) are just trying to get laid. Or are looking for anything, rather than whos good/right for them. Where females are actually looking for someone good for them
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deoxxys posted...

I dont know what alternate dimension you live in but Im done trying to convince you.

I dont need to worry about spending my time and effort on this.

We can agree to disagree but understand you are in a minority that thinks somehow its just as easy for men to find dates as women, even though you see signs of it in everday life where such as Simp culture and F*** boy culture.

/untracked

Yeah, 55 people on a video game message board are against me. I have to be wrong. Go outside, dude

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