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TyVulpine posted...

Yes, yes, Christ is "God" as in he came from God, but is not God the Father himself.

Citation needed (and no, the Bible is not credible citation as it itself lacks credible sources for it's claims)

So you believe Jesus existed, but disagree with his divinity?


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Marauder64 posted...

So you believe Jesus existed, but disagree with his divinity?

The Jesus portrayed in the Bible most likely bears little to no resemblance to the Jesus that may or may not have actually existed (even his supposed date of birth is unknown, though historians agree that it was NOT December 25, for several reasons). And there is no proof outside the fairy tale Bible that he is "the son of god".

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I thought Father Son & Holy Spirit thing was a metaphor for mans relationship with the world, the ideal, and each other.

TyVulpine posted...

The Jesus portrayed in the Bible most likely bears little to no resemblance to the Jesus that may or may not have actually existed (even his supposed date of birth is unknown, though historians agree that it was NOT December 25, for several reasons). And there is no proof outside the fairy tale Bible that he is "the son of god".

Uh-huh.

Pliny the Younger (who supposedly existed 61-113AD) supposedly wrote, in a letter to the Roman emperor Trajan, describing the lifestyles of early Christians:

"They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of foodbut food of an ordinary and innocent kind."

So, not too many years after Christs death and ressurection.


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Citation needed for Christs resurrection.
oh, it happened because the Bible told me so!

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I was simply indoctrinated as a child

However I no longer worship gods

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Xethuminra posted...

I thought Father Son & Holy Spirit thing was a metaphor for mans relationship with the world, the ideal, and each other.

Metaphor is a great way to explain things in the bible when it starts to sound stupid or made up.

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TyVulpine posted...

Citation needed for Christs resurrection.
oh, it happened because the Bible told me so!

Phlegon (who supposedly existed 80-140AD)

It's written that Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. Phlegon mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:
Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour. (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)
Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):
Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions. (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)
And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)
Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails. (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

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Life

Jesus coming back to life has as much evidence as Sasquatch and Nessy/Lochness

Nothing credible

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To be fair, eternal life beyond death is a concept hard to swallow, let alone a resurrection.

140AD. 140 years after Christ died. Yeah, thats reliable proof. A story that comes from second or third hand account......

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When I summoned that godly succubus and we made hot, passionate love all night long. I felt the spirit of god deep inside me

TyVulpine posted...

140AD. 140 years after Christ died. Yeah, thats reliable proof. A story that comes from second or third hand account......

So how does history work in your mind exactly?

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Marauder64 posted...

So how does history work in your mind exactly?

When there are contemporary accounts of events, not writing about events that may or may not have happened over a century prior and have no supporting evidence.
Phelgon writes about events that happened over 100 years before, that were second hand, third hand or further, and you pass that as fact?
Ill bet you also believe Washington actually chopped down the cherry tree, even though that story wasnt written until after Washington died.

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The teachings of The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

https://youtu.be/k9Eck2Mv3UA


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Peacewithgod.net

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Xethuminra posted...

I agree with this.

He that is within you is Greater than He that is within the World

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Never ceases to amuse me how Christians regurgitate the mythos of their religion with absolute sincerity and conviction. I understand faith is an important aspect, but if something can only be accepted through faith that in itself demonstrates that the idea lacks evidentiary integrity to stand on its own.

Believe all you want, but don't act like the particulars of your faith are so obviously self-evident, because they're not. You are completely yielding yourself to an ancient book written by ancient men, a tome that is rife with inconsistencies, a fact acknowledged even by the most fervent of believers.

As important as your Bible may be to you on a personal level, it does not dictate reality. That's not how it works. And as self-assured as you are that your religion is "the right one," and as unconcerned as you are that a different religion may be right, that's exactly how a nonbeliever views your religion.

Embrace your religion if it helps you to be a better person, but at least have the dignity not to present it as if it's incontrovertible.

armandro posted...

Neat picture, did you make that?

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Shablagoo posted...

Neat picture, did you make that?

No :(
im not very talented at drawing



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You dont need to be to make art.

TyVulpine posted...

So which is it? Do we have free will to do as we please? Or are we just marching along to whatever plan he has, thus we really don't have free will? Also, how is demanding we slave and sacrifice ourselves for him "free will"?

It depends on how you see God's benevolence and or malevolence if you think it exists within him. In my world God knows what decisions I will make from A-Z

He already knows all the good or bad decisions possible for me and he's the only one that can lay out probability in every instance of time, parallel universe, you name it (pro-tip: logic cannot achieve this)

He says these things constitute life with me, these do not - and then I decide whatever I think is best for me

the whole slavery/sacrifice thing is dumb cause there are plenty causes in the world worth sacrificing for and slaving over to make a reality


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Josiah_Is_Back posted...

Never ceases to amuse me how Christians regurgitate the mythos of their religion with absolute sincerity and conviction. I understand faith is an important aspect, but if something can only be accepted through faith that in itself demonstrates that the idea lacks evidentiary integrity to stand on its own.

Believe all you want, but don't act like the particulars of your faith are so obviously self-evident, because they're not. You are completely yielding yourself to an ancient book written by ancient men, a tome that is rife with inconsistencies, a fact acknowledged even by the most fervent of believers.

As important as your Bible may be to you on a personal level, it does not dictate reality. That's not how it works. And as self-assured as you are that your religion is "the right one," and as unconcerned as you are that a different religion may be right, that's exactly how a nonbeliever views your religion.

Embrace your religion if it helps you to be a better person, but at least have the dignity not to present it as if it's incontrovertible.

people can be sure about their faith, without needing to detract from someone else's

because they're all pointing to the same reality/outcome tbh. that's the meaning of my sig.

and I disagree with your foundational contention: "but if something can only be accepted through faith that in itself demonstrates that the idea lacks evidentiary integrity to stand on its own." I understand the line of reasoning here but reject it as a valid one, because many things have to be accepted on the basis of trusting or accepting what cannot be seen. Even things which we know with certainty exist.

For example we have to accept a priori that minds other than our own exist. Nobody has a real problem doing that - we just all accept it. God is just the first mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

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When i almost drowned at a beach as a kid (about 5 years old). My mom was too busy talking to her friend on the shore so didnt notice me gasping for air for like a whole minute. A lifeguard ended up saving me. This was at the kadena marina in okinawa. Thank you god

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Ratchetrockon posted...

When i almost drowned at a beach as a kid (about 5 years old). My mom was too busy talking to her friend so a lifeguard saved me. Thabmnk you god

Do you still use that when you have arguments with your mom?

One time my dad forgot to pick me up from school.
Still complain about it to this day

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Ratchetrockon posted...

When i almost drowned at a beach as a kid (about 5 years old). My mom was too busy talking to her friend on the shore so didnt notice me gasping for air for like a whole minute. A lifeguard ended up saving me. This was at the kadena marina in okinawa. Thank you god

You're thanking your god because the lifeguard did the job s/he was hired to do? Okay....

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I grew up in a cult, deconverted when I went to college, spent a while as a staunch new-atheist, then as I got older and more experienced I started questioning things again as I'm wont to do. The logic for the existence of God does make sense. So I was starting to toy around with the idea of it again, thinking that I could accept the idea of there being something out there even if I didn't care to go further and understand its attributes.

And then in 2020 I almost died in a hit and run, and that experience showed me a lot. I came to believe and understand that death is just a transition to the next chapter in the story. I don't know the answers about how it all works but personally speaking I am no longer afraid of what comes next or worry about it at all. I believe that everything is part of a bigger picture, not in a way that diminishes our individual importance or significance, but in a way that makes everyone's story more beautiful over the long run.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1371111/

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TyVulpine posted...

You're thanking your god because the lifeguard did the job s/he was hired to do? Okay....

This reminds me of a joke I heard.

There is a massive hurricane and the water reaches up to the top of the priests home. The priest climbs up to the roof and the water reaches his waste. A man on a boat comes by and says "Hop on, I'll bring you to safety." The priest replied "No no the lord will save me." By now the water has reached his neck. A rescue plane comes by and drops a ladder to bring the priest to safety. The priest called up "No No the lord will save me." Finally the water goes over his head and he swims to the surface. Another boat comes by and offers to bring the priest to safety. Once again he replied "No No the lord will save me." The priest drowns and dies. When he reaches the gates of heaven he asks God "Lord, why didn't you save me?" The lord replied "what the fuck are you talking about, I sent you two boats and a plane!"


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armandro posted...

Do you still use that when you have arguments with your mom?

One time my dad forgot to pick me up from school.
Still complain about it to this day

Tbh ive only mentioned it a couple times to my mom as a kid and teenager during retellings of our lives. Never in an argument tho. After the lifeguard saved me he didnt even talk to my mom prob due to language difference (he was okinawan or japanese) so had to tell her about it. She just thought it was a good thing i was saved but didnt seem to think i was in any real danger

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For example we have to accept a priori that minds other than our own exist. Nobody has a real problem doing that - we just all accept it. God is just the first mind.

Minds other than our own are obvious because we encounter other people who make their own choices; God is not encountered in this manner. And your argument seems to be assuming some concrete "mind" when in reality our minds and personalities are dependent upon conditional criteria; it's quite easy to alter someone's essential character. In fact I recall a story about a split-brain patient whose left hemisphere was atheist while the right was theistic.

Josiah_Is_Back posted...

For example we have to accept a priori that minds other than our own exist. Nobody has a real problem doing that - we just all accept it. God is just the first mind.

Minds other than our own are obvious because we encounter other people who make their own choices; God is not encountered in this manner. And your argument seems to be assuming some concrete "mind" when in reality our minds and personalities are dependent upon conditional criteria; it's quite easy to alter someone's essential character. In fact I recall a story about a split-brain patient whose left hemisphere was atheist while the right was theistic.

you should watch The Matrix lol

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if we can imagine something
its possible right?


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armandro posted...

if we can imagine something
its possible right?

hmmmm seems so, as long as it's not contradictory or something? or rather, anything you can depict on a screen can in some way be real in some universe.


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armandro posted...

if we can imagine something
its possible right?

With God all things are possible.

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armandro posted...

if we can imagine something
its possible right?

What if I imagine that your statement is false?

this is why i say it as "what you can display on a screen can in some way exist in some universe" or w/e


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Josiah_Is_Back posted...

What if I imagine that your statement is false?

can you imagine it being true?

light will always overcome the darkness

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armandro posted...

can you imagine it being true?

light will always overcome the darkness

Light cannot exist without darkness, and darkness cannot exist without light.
Neither of which proves the existence of any deity, since light comes from stars or light bulbs.

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TyVulpine posted...

Light cannot exist without darkness, and darkness cannot exist without light.
Neither of which proves the existence of any deity, since light comes from stars or light bulbs.

yeah but it can't be just those elements because we can control those artificially. we are composed of more than those. we use those at will just for a basic telecomm function.

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TyVulpine posted...

Light cannot exist without darkness, and darkness cannot exist without light.
Neither of which proves the existence of any deity, since light comes from stars or light bulbs.

darkness is the absents of light

the tiniest light shines in a dark room

objects can block the light and create shadows
but i'm not sure if thats true darkness


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but yeah TC no one really knows 100% what is out there. at the end of the day it is up to everyone to figure it out at the end lmao. have fun!

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did armandro always have this gimmick

when conflict hit 500 and got suspended for insulting me

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