Current Events > New Covid-19 variant 'may have emerged in [UK] North-East surge'

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https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/new-covid-19-variant-may-have-emerged-in-north-east-surge-1094420

Public health officials are investigating a new variant that could have emerged in the North-East of England, the region that has seen the fastest rise in coronavirus cases in the past seven days.

Six out of the top 10 UK areas with the highest prevalence for Covid-19 in the past week are now in the North-East, including South Tyneside, where there are 828.6 infections per 100,000 people, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne, with 744 per 100,000.
While the Delta variant is the dominant variant in the region, as in the rest of Britain, scientific advisers have noticed a signal in the North-East surge which could be linked to a new strain that originated in the UK, i understands.

The emergence of a fresh variant can occur in areas where there are already high reservoirs of infection, because the virus has more chances to replicate. But it will put further pressure on Boris Johnson over his determination to push ahead with the 19 July lifting of restrictions while cases are rising so fast across the country.

On Monday the Prime Minister is due to announce whether the final move out of lockdown in England will go ahead as planned but i has been told that the 19 July decision has been made. The lifting will happen come what may, according to one Whitehall source.

A total of 32,551 new cases were reported across the country on Thursday, with nearly 200,000 over the past seven days.
Public Health Englands latest technical briefing on variants, to be published on Friday, is not expected to name any new variants as being under investigation or of concern, but two will be added to the list of those that are being monitored B1619 and B1629. So far, there are no case numbers available for each new strain, and it is not known which mutations they carry.

The PHE update will also record new infections of the Lambda or C.37 variant, first identified in Peru, which is causing concern in some countries in Europe although the number of sequenced cases is still very low.
Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said: The rapid increase across the North-East over the last week should have been ringing alarm bells in [Health Secretary] Sajid Javids office.

We know that when transmission is high there are more opportunities for the virus to replicate and mutate and its important we fully understand whats happening.

But this is a reminder why you always need to get ahead of this virus, be cautious and take action to cut transmission, otherwise it quickly gets ahead of you.

I'm just done being able to respond to these new variants at this point

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I feel like our society is officially broken because of covid.

• Can't get enough people to follow safety guidelines for it to matter.
• Can't get enough people vaccinated for it to matter

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CableZL posted...

I feel like our society is officially broken because of covid.

• Can't get enough people to follow safety guidelines for it to matter.
• Can't get enough people vaccinated for it to matter

To be fair, the UK has a high vaccination rate, which is reflected in the low number of deaths proportional to the number of cases
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https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/
Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants'

Vaccines are Creating the Variants

Prof. Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an unacceptable mistake. Mass vaccinations are a scientific error as well as a medical error, he said. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants, Prof. Luc Montagnier continued.
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The prominent virologist explained that there are antibodies, created by the vaccine, forcing the virus to find another solution or die. This is where the variants are created. It is the variants that are a production and result from the vaccination.

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Explain that^

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Joeydollaz posted...

https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/
Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants'

Vaccines are Creating the Variants

Prof. Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an unacceptable mistake. Mass vaccinations are a scientific error as well as a medical error, he said. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants, Prof. Luc Montagnier continued.
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The prominent virologist explained that there are antibodies, created by the vaccine, forcing the virus to find another solution or die. This is where the variants are created. It is the variants that are a production and result from the vaccination.

Antibodies are created from the actual virus too, not just the vaccine. What a load of crap.
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Joeydollaz posted...

https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/
Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants'

Vaccines are Creating the Variants

Prof. Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an unacceptable mistake. Mass vaccinations are a scientific error as well as a medical error, he said. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants, Prof. Luc Montagnier continued.
\2008
The prominent virologist explained that there are antibodies, created by the vaccine, forcing the virus to find another solution or die. This is where the variants are created. It is the variants that are a production and result from the vaccination.

Do you really think people who get the virus and survive don't create antibodies?

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CableZL posted...

I feel like our society is officially broken because of covid.
* Can't get enough people to follow safety guidelines for it to matter.
* Can't get enough people vaccinated for it to matter

COVID isn't the cause of your society being broken. The problems we are having as they relate to COVID are because you society is broken.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

COVID isn't the cause of your society being broken. The problems we are having as they relate to COVID are because you society is broken.

Yeah, but we were at least able to duct tape shit here and put some paint on there.

Now, simply going out in public is "at your own risk." Over 4 million dead globally from covid and we still have people like Joeydollaz spreading any bullshit anti-vax info they can find regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

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time for me to go to find a job

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CableZL posted...

I feel like our society is officially broken because of covid.
* Can't get enough people to follow safety guidelines for it to matter.
* Can't get enough people vaccinated for it to matter

Unfortunately a lot of people who may have otherwise been accepting of the lock downs and safety guidelines, and perhaps even on board with the vaccine, have been burnt out from a 24/7 news cycle of "this new variant is much more transmissable or deadly or whatever" and just want to move on from the whole thing.

It's important we're aware of changes in strains and stuff but the medias incessant doom reporting drove a lot of people into complacency, if not outright hostility, regarding covid news

Nukazie posted...

time for me to go to find a job

they took his jerb :(.
also to note: the new variant would be listed as "mu" since it's the next letter in the greek alphabet.
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ScazarMeltex posted...

COVID isn't the cause of your society being broken. The problems we are having as they relate to COVID are because you society is broken.

The English government are letting people rely on their own personal responsibility....

Meanwhile:



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I think at this point we just roll with it and take the losses

lilORANG posted...

Antibodies are created from the actual virus too, not just the vaccine. What a load of crap.

CableZL posted...

Do you really think people who get the virus and survive don't create antibodies?

Hes saying that weve accelerated the mutations. It makes sense. We saw the first variant a year after the pandemic started. Then as more people got infected and survived, and the vaccine was widely distributed, new variants are popping up every couple months. Its odd that disease experts and virologists seem to be blindsided by these mutations.

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ROOTFayth posted...

I think at this point we just roll with it and take the losses

I think that's the so-called prime minister's plan too, along with the new health secretary.

Which is weird, I can imagine like the business secretary arguing for opening everything up no matter how many people get ill, but surely the health secretary out of everybody should be the one arguing to keep restrictions in place a little longer.

Woodger posted...

but surely the health secretary out of everybody should be the one arguing to keep restrictions in place a little longer.

He probably would, if he had any training or knowledge in health and social care, but he's a banker, money first.

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scorpion41 posted...

Hes saying that weve accelerated the mutations. It makes sense. We saw the first variant a year after the pandemic started. Then as more people got infected and survived, and the vaccine was widely distributed, new variants are popping up every couple months. Its odd that disease experts and virologists seem to be blindsided by these mutations.

The delta variant was discovered in India in December

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I knew it was the UKs fault when I saw all the Oblivion gates open up over there

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Oh lovely.

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If the vaccine protects against it then it doesnt matter.

RedJackson posted...

he UKs fault when I saw all the Oblivion gates open up over there

they didn't want to lose a 2nd summer.
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The one in Peru looks a bit spooky

But a general rule of thumb with corinaviruses is more contagious variants become the dominant strain and usually the more contagious the strain, less virile it is. That's what I heard a TV doctor say today anyway

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

less virile it is. That's what I heard a TV doctor say today anyway

turning more contagious. not less deadly.
long ways to go :(.
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He was inferring that they have an inverse relationship to whatever degree

But hes spooked by Peru

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scorpion41 posted...

Hes saying that weve accelerated the mutations. It makes sense. We saw the first variant a year after the pandemic started. Then as more people got infected and survived, and the vaccine was widely distributed, new variants are popping up every couple months. Its odd that disease experts and virologists seem to be blindsided by these mutations.

Correlation does not equal causation. Its more likely that as the virus is left to spread it will inevitably mutate over time and as more time passes more mutations will emerge.

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Maybe it mutates quickly and has various effects on the body compared to other viruses because it maybe originated from a lab. probably not though

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Joeydollaz posted...

https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/
Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants'

Vaccines are Creating the Variants

Prof. Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an unacceptable mistake. Mass vaccinations are a scientific error as well as a medical error, he said. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants, Prof. Luc Montagnier continued.
\2008
The prominent virologist explained that there are antibodies, created by the vaccine, forcing the virus to find another solution or die. This is where the variants are created. It is the variants that are a production and result from the vaccination.

Montagnier is a known kook who once won a Nobel for HIV research - as like the 3rd or 4th name on the team. Good for him but that's not the be all and end all.

That's the "appeal to authority fallacy" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

He has become obsessed with homeopathy for some reason and none of his findings are peer reviewed.

Again, in his own field, he is considered an out of touch kook by his peers.

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brestugo posted...

Montagnier is a known kook who once won a Nobel for HIV research - as like the 3rd or 4th name on the team. Good for him but that's not the be all and end all.

That's the "appeal to authority fallacy" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

He has become obsessed with homeopathy for some reason and none of his findings are peer reviewed.

Again, in his own field, he is considered an out of touch kook by his peers.

I dont think antivaxxers care if the guy is a kook, I mean just look at Andrew Wakefield and the kooks he worked with, funderberg or whatever thinks his bone marrow is the cure to alzheimer's or whatever.

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Joeydollaz posted...

https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/
Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants'

Vaccines are Creating the Variants

Prof. Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an unacceptable mistake. Mass vaccinations are a scientific error as well as a medical error, he said. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants, Prof. Luc Montagnier continued.
\2008
The prominent virologist explained that there are antibodies, created by the vaccine, forcing the virus to find another solution or die. This is where the variants are created. It is the variants that are a production and result from the vaccination.

The claim being made here is not entirely baseless, but the way it's being put by this guy is completely missing significant details - in particular the significance of exposing the virus to a partially vaccinated (rather than near-fully vaccinated) society.

Go read what actual scientists have to say about the same question. Understand the reasoning, not just one sentence cherry-picked from the conclusion.

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