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1NfamousACE_2
07/14/21 5:17:50 PM
#201:


archedsoul posted...
There are no effects, at least there shouldn't be, but I'm guessing some branches will collide. Otherwise, the main timeline will remain the same. Nothing changed.

and thats where Im lost

why wouldnt there be any effects in the main timeline if theres no Loki in that timeline?

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Darmik
07/14/21 5:25:16 PM
#202:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
and thats where Im lost

why wouldnt there be any effects in the main timeline if theres no Loki in that timeline?

We follow the prime timeline where Loki is killed by Thanos. Nothing will impact that timeline until after Endgame.

The Loki in the TV show was from a timeline that was pruned. He is completely removed from impacting the main timeline. The decision at the end has nothing to do with 2012. You can even presume without the TVA pruning anything there is now a new timeline where Loki escaped with the cosmic cube and doesn't get taken by the TVA. But that's still going to be a different Loki.

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1NfamousACE_2
07/14/21 5:28:32 PM
#203:


Darmik posted...
We follow the prime timeline where Loki is killed by Thanos. Nothing will impact that timeline until after Endgame.

The Loki in the TV show was from a timeline that was pruned. He is completely removed from impacting the main timeline. The decision at the end has nothing to do with 2012. You can even presume without the TVA pruning anything there is now a new timeline where Loki escaped with the cosmic cube and doesn't get taken by the TVA. But that's still going to be a different Loki.

but how can he be killed by Thanos if hes no longer in that timeline

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Sir Will
07/14/21 5:31:19 PM
#204:


archedsoul posted...
Loki can probably use enchantment to bring B-15 and Mobius back.
Maybe, though they wouldn't really have those memories anymore for him to find. Timey whimey, I don't know.

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BakonBitz
07/14/21 5:31:35 PM
#205:


I think that might be the wrong way to look at it. With Immortus gone and free will truly existing and things are being changed all across time...you won't actually notice anything different in the timeline you're currently in, unless you exist outside of time or have powers/technology that can detect other possibilities. You just make your choices and go about your life without knowing other branches have occured from that potential choice.

So since everything is being affected retroactively, we can assume that everything that happened in the MCU up until this point is now a singular timeline that just ended up branching into millions of different possibilities. The question of "when Loki takes place" shouldn't really matter since it took place across many different time periods and dimensions.

Now that I think about it, Dr. Strange going through all those possibilities in Endgame and only one had them see victory...those could've already been different timelines he looked into.

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Darmik
07/14/21 5:32:43 PM
#206:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
but how can he be killed by Thanos if hes no longer in that timeline

He is still in that timeline. He always was. That's the prime timeline. That's what the TVA was protecting.

TV Loki was creating a new branch when he escaped and the TVA took him and pruned it. The prime timeline remained the same. TV Loki no longer has a timeline of his own. Same thing happened to Sylvie.

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lolife67
07/14/21 5:33:47 PM
#207:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
but how can he be killed by Thanos if hes no longer in that timeline
You are aware there are multiple versions of the same character i.e. Loki, right?
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CableZL
07/14/21 5:34:20 PM
#208:


Derwood posted...
CableZL posted...
Mobius and B-15 weren't reset. Those were just variants in a different timeline.

We dont know that
My thinking here is that Sylvie sent him to a different timeline. I don't think killing Immortus would destroy the timeline Mobius went back to in order to confront Ravonna. Ravonna previously said it would be impossible to destroy all of the matter from a timeline even if it was pruned, and Alioth is enchanted at the moment.

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1NfamousACE_2
07/14/21 5:35:03 PM
#209:


Darmik posted...
He is still in that timeline. He always was. That's the prime timeline. That's what the TVA was protecting.

TV Loki was creating a new branch when he escaped and the TVA took him and pruned it. The prime timeline remained the same. TV Loki no longer has a timeline of his own. Same thing happened to Sylvie.

how is he still in that timeline if he escaped from the avengers in 2012?

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Medussa
07/14/21 5:35:43 PM
#210:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
but how can he be killed by Thanos if hes no longer in that timeline

He is in that timeline. We've been watching a time travel duplicate. How do you think there have been two the entire show, or two dozen last week?

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Medussa
07/14/21 5:36:46 PM
#211:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
how is he still in that timeline if he escaped from the avengers in 2012?

Because that's what the tva does. Or, did.

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CableZL
07/14/21 5:37:39 PM
#212:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
how is he still in that timeline if he escaped from the avengers in 2012?

From what I understand, Loki created a branch when he grabbed the Cosmic Cube and escaped. That's what caused the TVA to go after him. There's still a Loki who didn't escape on the original timeline he came from.

That's about the only way I can make sense of this wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

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lolife67
07/14/21 5:38:28 PM
#213:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
how is he still in that timeline if he escaped from the avengers in 2012?
Escaping from them created a variant time line. So there are 2 Loki's from 2012. One escaped and is on the TV show and the other was captured, didn't escape and was shown in the MCU films.
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IfGodCouldDie
07/14/21 5:39:11 PM
#214:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
but how can he be killed by Thanos if hes no longer in that timeline
He doesn't because when the TVA shows up, they prune the timeline and reset it to the point where the cube falls at his feet and he doesn't pick it up.

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lolife67
07/14/21 5:39:51 PM
#215:


CableZL posted...
From what I understand, Loki created a branch when he grabbed the Cosmic Cube and escaped. That's what caused the TVA to go after him. There's still a Loki who didn't escape on the original timeline he came from.

That's about the only way I can make sense of this wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
That's exactly it. They explained it in Endgame and on the show as to how it works.
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BakonBitz
07/14/21 5:42:46 PM
#216:


CableZL posted...
From what I understand, Loki created a branch when he grabbed the Cosmic Cube and escaped. That's what caused the TVA to go after him. There's still a Loki who didn't escape on the original timeline he came from.

That's about the only way I can make sense of this wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
That seems about right. We were shown the part where Loki escapes with the cube in Endgame in order to see a potential setup of a future plot. What we didn't see is the prime timeline where he didn't actually pick it up and escape (IIRC, haven't watched it in a while).

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CableZL
07/14/21 5:44:21 PM
#217:


Isn't this all technically The Hulk's fault? Loki wouldn't have been able to grab the cube if The Hulk wasn't such a baby about taking the stairs.

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BakonBitz
07/14/21 5:48:11 PM
#218:


CableZL posted...
Isn't this all technically The Hulk's fault? Loki wouldn't have been able to grab the cube if The Hulk wasn't such a baby about taking the stairs.
I guess the branch only mattered if Loki took the cube and escaped, since apparently everything the Avengers did was "supposed to happen."

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CableZL
07/14/21 5:48:29 PM
#219:


BakonBitz posted...
I guess the branch only mattered if Loki took the cube and escaped, since apparently everything the Avengers did was "supposed to happen."

Ah, yeah, that's true.

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Jswift254
07/14/21 5:53:23 PM
#220:


Medussa posted...
so... we might have just watched the most important 35 minutes in the entire franchise.
This so much. My inner comic fanboy is freaking out lol. Don't know how people are complaining about this. They opened up the fucking multiverse yo

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InfinityMonster
07/14/21 5:54:45 PM
#221:


Yeah, the correct way Endgame's scene plays out is that the Space Stone falls out, Loki looks at it, does nothing, and SHIELD/Thor picks it and then Tony and Cap are like "shit, let's go back further in time". The change happened specifically because Loki picked it up.

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Medussa
07/14/21 6:02:02 PM
#222:


Jswift254 posted...
This so much. My inner comic fanboy is freaking out lol. Don't know how people are complaining about this. They opened up the fucking multiverse yo

I've been trying to come up with something comparable since I posted that, and the only competition I can think of is the collector explaining the stones.

Like, we just got the explanation for why this universe hasn't crossed over like most of the others, why it shouldn't, and our first hint at what's coming now that it has. We're literally looking at everything from a completely new perspective now.

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Darmik
07/14/21 6:03:47 PM
#223:


I wonder if Loki will be in Ant-Man 3. He appears to be stuck in the timeline/TVA of Kang the Conqueror.

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Jswift254
07/14/21 6:08:15 PM
#224:


The possibilities that were just opened up from this episode are infinite. Now we can legit see Maguire/Garfield Spidermen. Opening for mutants to enter the mcu. Iron Lad. Hoping to see Captain Hydra in Strange 2.

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Doom_Art
07/14/21 6:18:24 PM
#225:


I was skeptical on Kang at first until it clicked

At first I was all "Wtf this goofy jackass is the next Thanos?" then I figured like oh it's infinite versions of himself and this is the one who's just kinda goofy and friendly instead of actively malicious

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Sir Will
07/14/21 6:21:52 PM
#226:


I fully expect our main Kang to be a bit different. But I liked this Kang just fine. Actor was charming. He sold the exposition and made it entertaining.

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Darmik
07/14/21 6:25:31 PM
#227:


How many movies do we expect Kang to show up in?

We know Ant-man 3 which I think will specifically be Kang the Conqueror invading the prime timeline. Loki season 2 is obvious and will probably have lots of different Kangs. But what else? I don't think he'll be in Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-man 3. I think they'll be busy with other multiverse shenanigans. Other than that maybe one Avengers movie but I think that would probably be it?

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 6:26:33 PM
#228:


BakonBitz posted...
I guess the branch only mattered if Loki took the cube and escaped, since apparently everything the Avengers did was "supposed to happen."
Wouldn't it be more out of character for Loki not to seize an opportunity?

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pegusus123456
07/14/21 6:27:29 PM
#229:


LightningAce11 posted...
Wouldn't it be more out of character for Loki not to seize an opportunity?
That doesn't matter. The Sacred Timeline was just the one Immortus picked, presumably because that was his native one.

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Medussa
07/14/21 6:34:36 PM
#230:


Darmik posted...
How many movies do we expect Kang to show up in?

We know Ant-man 3 which I think will specifically be Kang the Conqueror invading the prime timeline. Loki season 2 is obvious and will probably have lots of different Kangs. But what else? I don't think he'll be in Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-man 3. I think they'll be busy with other multiverse shenanigans. Other than that maybe one Avengers movie but I think that would probably be it?

I dont think were truly going to see the conqueror until avengers 5. I'm expecting his ant man appearance to be a bit of a swerve.

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BLAKUboy
07/14/21 6:35:11 PM
#231:


Doom_Art posted...
At first I was all "Wtf this goofy jackass is the next Thanos?" then I figured like oh it's infinite versions of himself and this is the one who's just kinda goofy and friendly instead of actively malicious
More like he's been alone for millennia and is feeling a bit loopy.

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CableZL
07/14/21 6:41:39 PM
#232:


Doom_Art posted...
I was skeptical on Kang at first until it clicked

At first I was all "Wtf this goofy jackass is the next Thanos?" then I figured like oh it's infinite versions of himself and this is the one who's just kinda goofy and friendly instead of actively malicious

He's one of the variants who wanted peace, I think.

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 6:42:29 PM
#233:


But it's kinda narcissistic of this dude to be like "omg if you tear down my empire worse things will happen, but they'll be other versions of me and nobody else!!!"

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CableZL
07/14/21 6:44:32 PM
#234:


LightningAce11 posted...
But it's kinda narcissistic of this dude to be like "omg if you tear down my empire worse things will happen, but they'll be other versions of me and nobody else!!!"

I think he's spent a ton time interacting with different variants of himself so he probably has a pretty good idea that it would just be his own variants.

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Jswift254
07/14/21 6:45:49 PM
#235:


BLAKUboy posted...
More like he's been alone for millennia and is feeling a bit loopy.
This is what Im going with. He fought a mutliversal war with himself then spent a millennia with himself and that digital thing.

so all this time we were thinking that Wanda was gonna break the multiverse now we know shes just gonna find a crack and dive in, but we just saw what created that crack, Sylvie killing immortus

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 6:46:29 PM
#236:


He could also be a liar.

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Darmik
07/14/21 6:47:00 PM
#237:


CableZL posted...
He's one of the variants who wanted peace, I think.

If you think about wiping out all timelines but one as peace then yeah sure.

In a way he's sort of the ultimate villain in all of it. He's the one who remains because he's the last one standing. He doesn't care about dying because he believes that eventually he'll end up winning in the long run again anyway and the prime timeline version of him will eventually reset everything back to the prime timeline. That'll be the cycle they'll ultimately have to break.

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lolife67
07/14/21 6:47:23 PM
#238:


LightningAce11 posted...
But it's kinda narcissistic of this dude to be like "omg if you tear down my empire worse things will happen, but they'll be other versions of me and nobody else!!!"
Well yeah, he's a Kang so narcissism comes with the territory. Still, he's one of the "good" versions.
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pegusus123456
07/14/21 6:50:00 PM
#239:


LightningAce11 posted...
He could also be a liar.
Purely for meta reasons, he's not. You don't spend twenty minutes explaining something and then reveal it's all bullshit.

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 6:51:09 PM
#240:


"Meta reasons" isn't an argument.

Lots of dialogue scenes can turn out to be fake outs or serve a purpose different from the exposition.

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pegusus123456
07/14/21 6:52:07 PM
#241:


LightningAce11 posted...
"Meta reasons" isn't an argument.
It is tho

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Jswift254
07/14/21 6:52:08 PM
#242:


Dude legit said see you soon and winked. Hes not bullshitting me thinks lol

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Sir Will
07/14/21 6:53:01 PM
#243:


Darmik posted...
If you think about wiping out all timelines but one as peace then yeah sure.
Sure. But he thinks if he doesn't do this then no timeline would survive. Of course the logic behind these timelines is fuzzy as hell.

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Darmik
07/14/21 6:55:07 PM
#244:


I don't think he's lying in the sense that other Kang's are gonna be invading their timeline.

But I do think that he's not one of the good ones. He's just a narcissist who believes that wiping out the multiverse is the only solution to a problem he and his variants created.

Sir Will posted...
Sure. But he thinks if he doesn't do this then no timeline would survive. Of course the logic behind these timelines is fuzzy as hell.

I think the biggest risk is someone like Kang the Conqueror constantly invading other timelines and taking over. Who probably thinks his method is the right solution too.

But really I think the solution is going to end up letting the multiverse survive and stop The One Who Remains from starting the cycle again.

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cjsdowg
07/14/21 6:56:51 PM
#245:


A marvel black guy killing time line after time line. Who thinks he is the hero.

Just talking about this cat...



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makumaku
07/14/21 6:59:35 PM
#246:


I don't think I fully understand what a variant is.
Is a variant the same person but in a different timeline/universe? Do they have the same parents as other variants?

I ask because Loki kissed Sylvie, but wouldn't that be like kissing his sister? Assuming that they both have the same parents?

Or if this is not the case, I don't understand what makes a Loki, a Loki?
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BLAKUboy
07/14/21 7:00:39 PM
#247:


Jswift254 posted...
Dude legit said see you soon and winked. Hes not bullshitting me thinks lol
We already know he's coming back in Ant-Man 3, and he'll no doubt appear in some form between now and then.

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CableZL
07/14/21 7:00:54 PM
#248:


makumaku posted...
I don't think I fully understand what a variant is.
Is a variant the same person but in a different timeline/universe? Do they have the same parents as other variants?

I ask because Loki kissed Sylvie, but wouldn't that be like kissing his sister? Assuming that they both have the same parents?

Or if this is not the case, I don't understand what makes a Loki, a Loki?

A variant is another universe's version of you. He kissed another universe's version of himself. That's why Mobius was making fun of his narcissism.

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Sir Will
07/14/21 7:02:06 PM
#249:


makumaku posted...
Is a variant the same person but in a different timeline/universe?
Yes.

makumaku posted...
I ask because Loki kissed Sylvie, but wouldn't that be like kissing his sister?
Kinda.

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Darmik
07/14/21 7:06:04 PM
#250:


Is it possible that Sylvie was a different baby that Odin adopted and called Loki? In that sense they're still variants but different people technically. Not sure how Loki's magic works though.

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