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DarkRoast
07/14/21 7:07:16 PM
#251:


Honestly, I was expecting that most of the TVA is actually Loki variants. Including Mobius.

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BakonBitz
07/14/21 7:08:41 PM
#252:


Darmik posted...
Is it possible that Sylvie was a different baby that Odin adopted and called Loki? In that sense they're still variants but different people technically. Not sure how Loki's magic works though.
Possibly. I don't think they ever truly explained why she got taken by the TVA. There was the "because you were born" thing but I think what's-her-name was just BSing and being a bitch to Sylvie.

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Darmik
07/14/21 7:10:43 PM
#253:


BakonBitz posted...
Possibly. I don't think they ever truly explained why she got taken by the TVA. There was the "because you were born" thing but I think what's-her-name was just BSing and being a bitch to Sylvie.

It seemed to take them a long time to pick up on it too. She was a child so that's a few years. Usually they prune timeline changes within minutes.

She was just playing with her toys too. I wonder why that would trigger anything.

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makumaku
07/14/21 7:11:14 PM
#254:


Darmik posted...
Is it possible that Sylvie was a different baby that Odin adopted and called Loki? In that sense they're still variants but different people technically. Not sure how Loki's magic works though.

That makes some sense, and could explain why there are so many different kinds of variants of Loki.
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BakonBitz
07/14/21 7:11:16 PM
#255:


Darmik posted...
It seemed to take them a long time to pick up on it too. She was a child so that's a few years. Usually they prune timeline changes within minutes.
Yeah, that's the bit that makes me think that was just a BS remark.

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pegusus123456
07/14/21 7:13:49 PM
#256:


Darmik posted...
She was just playing with her toys too. I wonder why that would trigger anything.
There's a popular theory that it was because she was playing the hero with her toys.

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archedsoul
07/14/21 7:15:59 PM
#257:


I think this also opened up Tom Holland in the Venom/Morbius universe. Kevin Feige was saying he's gonna be a character that's gonna be showing up in both cinematic universes. Probably a variant.

Sir Will posted...
Maybe, though they wouldn't really have those memories anymore for him to find. Timey whimey, I don't know.
Not necessarily if just overwritten. Kind of like Wolverine retaining DoFP.

Darmik posted...
It seemed to take them a long time to pick up on it too. She was a child so that's a few years. Usually they prune timeline changes within minutes.

She was just playing with her toys too. I wonder why that would trigger anything.
Valkyrie toys.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:17:28 PM
#258:


Just started tge episode

Greatest moments in all history according to the MCU

Nelson Mandella speech
Man Walking on the Moon
Greta Thunberg....... erm....

Ok....

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Darmik
07/14/21 7:18:01 PM
#259:


Personally I think Loki is stuck in a different TVA created by Kang the Conqueror. I think there's still our Mobius running around.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:21:46 PM
#260:


I like how Miss Minutes didn't mention that Loki could save his mom if he took the deal.

That would be my sell >_>

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:24:37 PM
#261:


"Let's have him eat an apple, that'll make him look more like an asshole" ~ Cinemasins

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IfGodCouldDie
07/14/21 7:26:47 PM
#262:


Darmik posted...
It seemed to take them a long time to pick up on it too. She was a child so that's a few years. Usually they prune timeline changes within minutes.

She was just playing with her toys too. I wonder why that would trigger anything.
Someone theorized that she had made the decision to be good. The toys you see her playing are Valkyries and you have to be a girl to be a Valkyrie. So if Lokshi had made the conscious decision to stay a girl and become a Valkyrie they would have needed to prune the time line.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:27:41 PM
#263:


Actually where he did get that apple? Or that firewood?

He's in a castle in the void at the end of time... who build those statues? Did he build them or was it contractors?

Does he get variants from timelines to deliver groceries and do interior design?

Is it like Breaking Bad where Walter pays that Vacuum Cleaer Salesman a million dollars to play cards with him for an hour

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lilORANG
07/14/21 7:28:03 PM
#264:


Really enjoyed Jonathon Majors' performance.
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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:37:28 PM
#265:


"A creature created from the tears in reality."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ2vk3PYPE

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dmaster342
07/14/21 7:38:24 PM
#266:


lilORANG posted...
Really enjoyed Jonathon Majors' performance.

This so much. Loved his performance and the script a lot (dialogue was fantastic the whole episode). Really did everything I wanted for closing Season 1.

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008Zulu
07/14/21 7:42:19 PM
#267:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Actually where he did get that apple?
Apple tree.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Or that firewood?
Cut down the apple tree.


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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:43:45 PM
#268:


So this guy effectively murdered a googleplex amout of innocent people for enternity?

Does that make him the most evil being in all fictional history?

Who killed more innocent people than this guy?

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 7:43:56 PM
#269:


Unfair, did you like this show?

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:46:31 PM
#270:


"Is that what you think of me. After all this time!?"

It's been like 2 days....

This is such dumb forced drama v_v

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BLAKUboy
07/14/21 7:49:03 PM
#271:


LightningAce11 posted...
Unfair, did you like this show?
He'll like it if he's talking to someone who didn't like it, and not like it if he's talking to someone who did.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 7:49:51 PM
#272:


LightningAce11 posted...
Unfair, did you like this show?
Meh, not really. I wanted to like it.

I liked Loki in the movies. But this isn't really about Loki.

It's kind of a mess. Nothing makes sense. Everyone acts stupid, the pacing and story is all over the place. Loki doesn't act like Loki.

Even the fight choreography is bad.

And this finale has been dull as fuck so far.

The show reminds me a lot of the bad episodes of Gotham. Where the writers just seemed to ignore all the enormous potential and make things up for the sake of it.

Unless the last 20 minutes change my mind, I give it a 3.5/10

I mean when the fans of the show are clambering for the ending to be "turns out It was all a dream" like they were after Episode 2, you know you're on a bad track

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Smashingpmkns
07/14/21 7:50:12 PM
#273:


Fun episode. Hate the cliffhanger ending only because it probably wont continue until Spiderman.
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Sir Will
07/14/21 7:52:12 PM
#274:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Even the fight choreography is bad.
That's the only thing I'll agree with you on.

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Darmik
07/14/21 7:56:48 PM
#275:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Fun episode. Hate the cliffhanger ending only because it probably wont continue until Spiderman.

If you mean multiverse shenanigans I think that'll start with What If?

If you mean Kang specifically I think it's possible that won't be continued until Ant-Man 3 or Loki 2. Whatever one is first.

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 7:57:09 PM
#276:


This show honestly suffered from the age of ultron syndrome: it was forced to set up the rest of the phase while sacrificing itself.

Even Tom Hiddleston seemed bored and was phoning in the whole thing.

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InfinityMonster
07/14/21 8:00:54 PM
#277:


Like someone else said, the ending definitely gave me Lost vibes.

Also that Kang statue reminded me so much of the 2001 Planet of the Apes ending where Wahlberg returns to the present to find Abe Lincoln's statue in DC is now the villain, Thade's.


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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:05:36 PM
#278:


Wait that's it?

Yeah that's an awful ending. The whole episode was just a dull conversation rehashing what we already knew...

We already knew the TVA pruned timelines because if they didn't, it would be result in war. Why did we need 30 minutes to re-establish that?

What was the point in all that drama between Owen Wilson and the two women if the endgame was just nothing happened and the judge girl just casually buggered off?

What was the thematic relevance of the bubblegum?

This might be my least favorite episode of the 6.

I guess I was expecting a climax where stuff happened. The only 'drama' was Loki going "OMG y dun u trust me!?" to someone he'd known for 2 days who hated him for the first day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djlc6uHTVmY

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Darmik
07/14/21 8:08:51 PM
#279:


UnfairRepresent posted...
We already knew the TVA pruned timelines because if they didn't, it would be result in war. Why did we need 30 minutes to re-establish that?

We didn't know the context

UnfairRepresent posted...
What was the point in all that drama between Owen Wilson and the two women if the endgame was just nothing happened and the judge girl just casually buggered off?

Season 2

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LightningAce11
07/14/21 8:12:44 PM
#280:


Darmik posted...
Season 2
See, that's the sad part. All of this is in service to set up the next season, the next show, it never does anything for itself.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:13:10 PM
#281:


Darmik posted...
Season 2

Kinda lame finale. No plot advancement or follow through on story threads at all. Just hope next season does it.

Darmik posted...


We didn't know the context

Yeah we did. Judge lady explained it. Or Owen Wilson. One of them did. The purpose of the pure timeline was explained.

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Lokison
07/14/21 8:14:16 PM
#282:


I loved the episode. Sure it was a lot of exposition dumping, be we did learn a lot.

We learned Kang/Immortus was in fact the villain

We learned he weaponized Alioth

We learned WHY the TVA does what it does

We learned that HWR was actually guiding them the whole time (and may have actually set off the alert for the Nexus event between Loki/Sylvie)

As for why Sylvie was taken; I'm pretty sure it's because she wanted to he a Valkyrie, and having a Loki become a Hero, when they're "Destined to fail" to make others stronger is just bad news for the TVA.

I look forward to seeing other Kangs (Iron Lad!).

To all of you who disliked it: That's a fair opinion, not everyone has to like the same stuff. I hope you enjoyed at least some of it.

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Darmik
07/14/21 8:15:02 PM
#283:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Kinda lame finale. No plot advancement or follow through on story threads at all. Just hope next season does it.

Knowing this is all due to one guy is quite a bit advancement.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah we did. Judge lady explained it. Or Owen Wilson. One of them did. The purpose of the pure timeline was explained.

Not really. They believed the timelines would be destroyed but they didn't know how or why.

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Crescente
07/14/21 8:20:52 PM
#284:


I don't know why people didn't like this show and episode. This show just set up all kinds of events and movies. Secret wars, Spider-verse....X-MEN!!

I bet you that this episode set up the Fox version of Quicksilver. It explains why the Evan Peters version showed up at WandaVision's place instead of Aaron-taylor's.
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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:24:49 PM
#285:


Lokison posted...


We learned he weaponized Alioth

Yeah about that.

WTF IS it?

"IT was created from the tears in reality" is all we got. How do tears in reality create a life form? Is it a Langolier?

I mean it has a mind, Female Loki enchanted it.


We learned WHY the TVA does what it does

We already knew that though

Darmik posted...


Knowing this is all due to one guy is quite a bit advancement.
If you say so

We knew some dude was behind it and we find out some dude is behind it...

Didn't even explain why he built those androids to fuck with judge lady.

Darmik posted...


Not really. They believed the timelines would be destroyed but they didn't know how or why.

Yes we did. The fact they had to prune the alternate timelines to prevent chaos tells us that not preventing the timelines causes utter chaos until everything is destroyed.

It was all explained.

I mean to each their own but I find it weird that the show didn't explain 97% of it's own shit, but then did explain the same thing they already established for 30 minutes straight...

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RchHomieQuanChi
07/14/21 8:24:49 PM
#286:


I don't get how someone can bold-face watch this episode and claim nothing happened.

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Darmik
07/14/21 8:24:54 PM
#287:


Crescente posted...
I bet you that this episode set up the Fox version of Quicksilver. It explains why the Evan Peters version showed up at WandaVision's place instead of Aaron-taylor's.

That was Ralph Boner.

I think it does explain why Wanda could hear her kids at the end though.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:27:26 PM
#288:


Crescente posted...
This show just set up all kinds of events and movies.
I think because setting up movies that might be good in the future doesn't make the show that set them up good.

As another user said earlier, they seemed to just use this show as a vehicle to pump out explanations for future projects and put the bare minimum effort into actually making the show itself good.

A little like that scene in Batman vs superman where they just flat out show a commercial for all the other movies for 5 minutes. Extended for an entire show.

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Darmik
07/14/21 8:28:24 PM
#289:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Yes we did. The fact they had to prune the alternate timelines to prevent chaos tells us that not preventing the timelines causes utter chaos until everything is destroyed.

They didn't know what that chaos was. Now we know what it is. Other versions of The One Who Remains invade and destroy other timelines.

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Jswift254
07/14/21 8:32:09 PM
#290:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I don't get how someone can bold-face watch this episode and claim nothing happened.
They wanted everything wrapped up in a nice bow like the other two shows. The thing about those two tho is that theres movies for them coming up so they wanted to end those specific stories. Loki has no movie planned so it ended on one hell of a cliff hanger with the intention of moving into S2. Literal multiverse was just birthed in this episode and people are complaining XD

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littlebro07
07/14/21 8:33:01 PM
#291:


Just finished it

Got sad when Mobius didnt know Loki anymore

So wtf happened

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:34:04 PM
#292:


Darmik posted...
They didn't know what that chaos was. Now we know what it is. Other versions of The One Who Remains invade and destroy other timelines.
Ok....

I don't get why that's interesting?

Or how we didn't already know it. Sure we know "Well it's because of this dude" but we already knew it was because of variants. The cause and effect is the same... The plot is the same. The info is the same.

I don't see that as a climatic finale... OR drama... Or why it needed 30 minutes to re-establish or why Loki and FemLoki are supposed to be so attached after 2 days or what the point of Judge-Lady and Owen Wilson's hyped up meetig was.

None of it went anywhere. IT was just anti-climatic stuff.

I mean compare to the ending of Season 1 of Gotham. A ton of stuff happened, actuall drama and story got paid off and they set up, there was an actual finale to some plotlines, it had excitment and set up Season 2.

When your show is worse than Gotham (which this show is a lot like) but you have 10 times the hype and budget, you fucked up.

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Darmik
07/14/21 8:37:26 PM
#293:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Or how we didn't already know it. Sure we know "Well it's because of this dude" but we already knew it was because of variants. The cause and effect is the same... The plot is the same. The info is the same.

It's not because of variants in general. It's because of him specifically. He's only pruning alternate timelines so there's only one version of himself.

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Lokison
07/14/21 8:38:48 PM
#294:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Ok....

I don't get why that's interesting?

Or how we didn't already know it. Sure we know "Well it's because of this dude" but we already knew it was because of variants. The cause and effect is the same... The plot is the same. The info is the same.

I don't see that as a climatic finale... OR drama... Or why it needed 30 minutes to re-establish or why Loki and FemLoki are supposed to be so attached after 2 days or what the point of Judge-Lady and Owen Wilson's hyped up meetig was.

None of it went anywhere. IT was just anti-climatic stuff.

I mean compare to the ending of Season 1 of Gotham. A ton of stuff happened, actuall drama and story got paid off and they set up, there was an actual finale to some plotlines, it had excitment and set up Season 2.

When your show is worse than Gotham (which this show is a lot like) but you have 10 times the hype and budget, you fucked up.
It's almost like Marvel has been using their movies to push other movies the whole time. Like, with end/mid credit scenes.

The D+ shows are supposed to mini-series to set up the actual cash cow; movies.

They did that very well here. If you dont like it, that's fine. To each there own. But if you dodnt like it, can you let those of us that did discuss it in peace without you trying to crap on it?

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:42:23 PM
#295:


Darmik posted...
It's not because of variants in general. It's because of him specifically. He's only pruning alternate timelines so there's only one version of himself.
Yes I get that.

I don't get why that's dramatically different or more interesting then what was already established. Which was effectively the same thing.

If someone is going to kill you with a giant cannon unless you hide behind a wall. Nothing dramatic or interesting is gained or developed by learning the guy firing the cannon is a short French dude called Andre with bad facial hair.

The important factors and cause and effect the same. It's not an interesting development. Nor does it take 30 minutes to explain...

It's just bad storytelling and television.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:45:23 PM
#296:


Lokison posted...


The D+ shows
let those of us that did discuss it in peace without you trying to crap on it?


Erm.

Want to try a second draft?



They did that very well here. If you dont like it, that's fine. To each there own. But if you dodnt like it, can you let those of us that did discuss it in peace without you trying to crap on it?

I'm not "trying to crap on it" i'm just giving my thoughts. That's the point of a discussion topic. Everyone is allowed to say whatever they like.

Get over yourself. Not everyone has to agree, what's the point in even talking in this topic at all if you just want to say "I agree" to the latest post as 20 people just circlejerk.

I'm not even being harsh to the damn show.

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Darmik
07/14/21 8:48:27 PM
#297:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't get why that's dramatically different or more interesting then what was already established. Which was effectively the same thing.

It wasn't effectively the same thing because the variants were victims of circumstances out of their control. Now we have several different versions of the same time travelling bad guy about to cause havoc across their timelines. The show specifically ends with Loki stuck in a TVA run by the Conqueror.

There's a difference between the multiverse opening up and simply causing issues with timelines and the specific issue of a villain who has the primary goal of conquering and destroying the other timelines to defeat variants of himself.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 8:55:04 PM
#298:


Darmik posted...


It wasn't effectively the same thing because the variants were victims of circumstances out of their control.

But we already knew that. From both Lokis and Owen Wilson and all the people that got pruned.


Now we have several different versions of the same time travelling bad guy about to cause havoc across their timelines. The show specifically ends with Loki stuck in a TVA run by the Conqueror.

Ok?



There's a difference between the multiverse opening up and simply causing issues with timelines and the specific issue of a villain who has the primary goal of conquering and destroying the other timelines to defeat variants of himself.

If you say so.

As I said this was already established. It's just you're saying "now instead of it being anything interesting, it just going to be the same 1 guy over and over." which if anything is considerably less interesting.

And had no effect on the show itself. Which had no drama (that made any sense), plotlines that went no where, characters with no arcs, characters doing stupid things, Loki being boring and nothing like Loki, lame fights. etc Huge amounts of every single episode were not explained and followed no purpose or reason.

Owen Wilson (and Classic Loki for one ep I guess) pretty much carried the entire show.

I mean if Judge Lady had died would you even have cared? Be honest.

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Crescente
07/14/21 8:57:59 PM
#299:


Darmik posted...
That was Ralph Boner.

I think it does explain why Wanda could hear her kids at the end though.

An alias or perhaps his real name in another universe. He's a quicksilver variant :D.
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07/14/21 9:04:16 PM
#300:


Crescente posted...
An alias or perhaps his real name in another universe. He's a quicksilver variant :D.

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