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joe40001
07/13/21 7:08:16 PM
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages.

This is terrifying for many reasons. Not the least of which is:
1. Fact checkers by their own admission have been wrong about things.
2. Once we open this Pandora's box no government/organization in power is going to put this genie back in the bottle.

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BloodMoon7
07/13/21 7:08:55 PM
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Dew it.

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PC-Builder_Pony
07/13/21 7:09:37 PM
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To think the DNC would be the ones to establish the Ministry of Truth

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s0nicfan
07/13/21 7:10:37 PM
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It's the FBI text meme come to life:


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Doom_Art
07/13/21 7:11:58 PM
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If it negatively affects conservatives and other antivaxxers then I'm all for it

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Mr_Karate_II
07/13/21 7:12:13 PM
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If this means less misinformation and fear mongering spread then so be it

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PC-Builder_Pony
07/13/21 7:12:34 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
It's the FBI text meme come to life:

Lmao

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Antifar
07/13/21 7:14:30 PM
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Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely.
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Charlie Kirk, the pro-Trump co-founder of the conservative student organization Turning Point USA, said on Fox last week that he was embarking on a massive public relations campaign around vaccination efforts, which he compared it to an Apartheid-style open air hostage situation. (Turning Points other founder, Bill Montgomery, died last year from coronavirus-related complications.)
Turning Point Action, a 501 c(4) affiliated with TPUSA, has also sent out SMS messages urging people to sign petitions on the topic. In one message, viewed by POLITICO, Kirk contends, Biden is sending goons DOOR-TO-DOOR to make you take a Covid-19 vaccine. Sign the petition to: No medical raids in America.

In an interview with Right Side Broadcasting during the Conservative Political Action Conference, Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) offered a different variety of false scare tactics, suggesting that the administration would use door-to-door vaccination efforts as a means to take your guns and your Bibles.

The White House didnt respond to Kirk or Cawthorn. But after Parson sent a tweet attacking the door-to-door approach, Zients went after the Missouri governor directly.

Organizations that are feeding misinformation and trying to mischaracterize this type of trusted-messenger work, I believe you are doing a disservice to the country and to the doctors, the faith leaders, community leaders, and others who are working to get people vaccinated, save lives, and help end this pandemic, Zients said at a news conference last week.

Psaki offered a similar type of pushback on Friday, when asked about South Carolina Gov. Henry McMasters push for the states Department of Health to prohibit door to door tactics in the States ongoing vaccination efforts."

Decide for yourself whether this constitutes censorship of text messages. "Work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation" is vague enough to cover a variety of actual actions, but the article goes into no further detail about what that work would actually entail.

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KiwiTerraRizing
07/13/21 7:16:19 PM
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Its going to look at mass texts sent by right wing crack pots with false information that discourages vaccinations.

Way to misconstrue article.

When is your next suspension?

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divot1338
07/13/21 7:16:47 PM
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Youd have to have a Trump tier brain to think theyre going to be reading and censoring your text messages.

This is obviously referencing them distributing covid information to the punlic via SMS.

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ButteryMales
07/13/21 7:20:21 PM
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Antifar posted...
In an interview with Right Side Broadcasting during the Conservative Political Action Conference, Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) offered a different variety of false scare tactics, suggesting that the administration would use door-to-door vaccination efforts as a means to take your guns and your Bibles.
This is very much analogous to screaming fire in a crowded theater.
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EmbraceOfDeath
07/13/21 7:20:25 PM
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divot1338 posted...
Youd have to have a Trump tier brain to think theyre going to be reading and censoring your text messages.

This is obviously referencing them distributing covid information to the punlic via SMS.
Oh yes, one thing the government is known very well for is relinquishing power when it's no longer needed and only using power for its stated purpose.

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Antifar
07/13/21 7:21:17 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Oh yes, one thing the government is known very well for is relinquishing power when it's no longer needed and only using power for its stated purpose.
They already have the power to distribute info via SMS, though.

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R1masher
07/13/21 7:21:20 PM
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Pretty sure there doing it now anyway, Ive seen some sh

*bang*

I've seen nothing

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uwnim
07/13/21 7:21:35 PM
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I mean, they already have the power to send out mass messages.

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Doom_Art
07/13/21 7:21:45 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
one thing the government is known very well for is relinquishing power when it's no longer needed and only using power for its stated purpose.
What do you think you're referencing with this specifically lol

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RamboCell29
07/13/21 7:21:50 PM
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Nothing like authoritarianism coming from the people claiming themselves to be saviors of democracy, right?

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s0nicfan
07/13/21 7:23:25 PM
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Antifar posted...
Decide for yourself whether this constitutes censorship of text messages. "Work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation" is vague enough to cover a variety of actual actions, but the article goes into no further detail about what that work would actually entail.

I would think the broader question is whether or not a text message constitutes a private conversation and thus guarantees you to some degree of privacy. For this to work, carriers would have to process messages in some intermediate stage between devices.

A quick Google search seems to imply that at the very least the messages you send are provided some degree of legal protection from others and the government doesn't get access either without a probable cause warrant. So for them to actually implement a system like this might require eroding what the government is and isn't allowed to look at from carriers without a warrant.
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/personal-injury/types-of-personal-injury-claims/are-your-text-messages-and-images-private.html
Under federal privacy laws, such as the Consumer Telephone Records Protection Act of 2006, your cell phone carrier cannot give you these phone records, even if you own the phone and pay the bill. That's because these records often show messages sent and received by someone else, and that person has privacy rights.

In the United States, the Fourth Amendment protects from unreasonable search and seizure of property by the government, which includes cell phone data. However, there is very little information that is out of the government's reach if there is probable cause of criminal activity.

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Antifar
07/13/21 7:26:02 PM
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FWIW, the article's author has said it's just groups like the DNC doing this effort, not the government itself. And they won't be reading your texts: https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1414716378385424387
https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1414711131550199808

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uwnim
07/13/21 7:26:23 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
I would think the broader question is whether or not a text message constitutes a private conversation and thus guarantees you to some degree of privacy. For this to work, carriers would have to process messages in some intermediate stage between devices.

A quick Google search seems to imply that at the very least the messages you send are provided some degree of legal protection from others and the government doesn't get access either without a probable cause warrant. So for them to actually implement a system like this might require eroding what the government is and isn't allowed to look at from carriers without a warrant.
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/personal-injury/types-of-personal-injury-claims/are-your-text-messages-and-images-private.html

Depends on what they actually do. Like if they are just going to be starting their own mass messaging and social media campaigns to try to counter disinformation campaigns that wont require getting any of that sort of info.


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berlyman101
07/13/21 7:29:13 PM
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not that this has anything to do with what Biden is talking about, but the patriot act shredded whatever right to privacy you had around 20 years ago.

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brestugo
07/13/21 7:29:39 PM
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Flopic.

Not the gotcha you think TC. Misinformation about COVID should be countered by verified facts.

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s0nicfan
07/13/21 7:29:41 PM
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Antifar posted...
FWIW, the article's author has said it's just groups like the DNC doing this effort, not the government itself. And they won't be reading your texts: https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1414716378385424387
https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1414711131550199808

Yea, then this seems fine, although it's not much more than it's own mass text campaign.

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indica
07/13/21 7:34:03 PM
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That's some serious fearmongering you got going on there >_>

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ButteryMales
07/13/21 7:34:12 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
I would think the broader question is whether or not a text message constitutes a private conversation and thus guarantees you to some degree of privacy.
They're "private" in the same way a TV broadcast is "private". Everyone gets the same one way message.
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Shezarr
07/13/21 7:37:45 PM
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"not a conservative" joenumbers pushing more covid disinfo and conspiracy theories about TEH LIBS? color me shocked

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Crazyman93
07/13/21 7:38:49 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
If this means less misinformation and fear mongering spread then so be it
"I'm okay with Government being able to read my text messages without a warrant."

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Shezarr
07/13/21 7:39:13 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
"I'm okay with Government being able to read my text messages without a warrant."
"I didn't read the topic"

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R1masher
07/13/21 9:22:04 PM
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Shezarr posted...
"I didn't read the topic"

me either

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SevenTenths
07/13/21 9:38:15 PM
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Shezarr posted...
"I didn't read the topic"

Neither did tc but despite error claiming posting false information as fact is against the rules, yet another fear mongering topic with no basis is up.

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DarkRoast
07/13/21 9:40:20 PM
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Oh look Joe is spreading more misinformation

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MedeaLysistrata
07/13/21 9:45:59 PM
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I can't believe you've done this Joe40k

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DarthAragorn
07/13/21 9:46:12 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Oh look Joe is spreading more misinformation
No way...

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Axiom
07/13/21 9:50:34 PM
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joe40001 posted...
This is terrifying for many reasons.
What's terrifying is you actually believe the things you post
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DarkRoast
07/13/21 9:51:35 PM
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M_Live posted...
I already see people on Facebook saying the fact checkers are bullshit lol

This wouldn't effect my life in the slightest since I don't go around spreading misinformation so whatever

More people need to get vaccinated.

These are the same kinds of people who claimed Snopes was actually a Democrat operation to bring down republicans. Mostly because they hate being fact-checked.

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Guide
07/13/21 9:56:47 PM
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Doesn't actually say they'll censor anything, tc. Can't make these claims without some sort of actual confirmation.

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Doom_Art
07/13/21 9:58:30 PM
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https://twitter.com/wuooods/status/1252051656344317953

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MabusIncarnate
07/13/21 9:59:36 PM
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So basically gonna be like an Amber Alert, which we get already. At least they are using the system for something productive instead of to yell at Twitter to be unbanned.

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DarkRoast
07/13/21 10:04:33 PM
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"Correcting misinformation is literally Hitler" - Current GOP

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Eat More Beef
07/13/21 10:05:38 PM
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This Is A Fucking Topic!

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HHH is the game
07/13/21 10:08:18 PM
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Im sure this is misconstrued but what's scary is the people that are willing to say YEAH AS LONG AS IT SCREWS WITH THE RIGHT SO BE IT. No. We shouldn't use tribalism to allow us to support things we would despise on the other side. Luckily, this isnt even whats really happening but its scary people would be ok to support it if it was just because it was done against republicans

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Shezarr
07/13/21 10:09:18 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
Im sure this is misconstrued but what's scary is the people that are willing to say YEAH AS LONG AS IT SCREWS WITH THE RIGHT SO BE IT. No. We shouldn't use tribalism to allow us to support things we would despise on the other side. Luckily, this isnt even whats really happening but its scary people would be ok to support it if it was just because it was done against republicans
"i didn't read the topic"

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DarkRoast
07/13/21 10:11:28 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
Im sure this is misconstrued but what's scary is the people that are willing to say YEAH AS LONG AS IT SCREWS WITH THE RIGHT SO BE IT. No. We shouldn't use tribalism to allow us to support things we would despise on the other side. Luckily, this isnt even whats really happening but its scary people would be ok to support it if it was just because it was done against republicans

No, I think they are more saying "TC was misrepresenting the story"

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joe40001
07/13/21 10:14:46 PM
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metallica846 posted...
Dammit Joe!

I'll respond to you because I respect you.

I'm not posting misinformation. I am posting a paragraph from a politico article as it is written.

Be careful who around here you take at face value. There are many who are effectively gaslighters. If there is something I have said that you believe to be false let me know. If not, don't defer your judgements/opinions on things to some CE trolls, make up your mind for yourself.

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SevenTenths
07/13/21 10:16:29 PM
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joe40001 posted...


I'm not posting misinformation



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hockeybub89
07/13/21 10:16:38 PM
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"I'm just posting quotes without full context. Not my fault if you think I'm deliberately misconstruing the situation. You can't argue with quotes."

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Doom_Art
07/13/21 10:17:03 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I'm not posting misinformation

shut up yes you are lol

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joe40001
07/13/21 10:18:02 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
Im sure this is misconstrued but what's scary is the people that are willing to say YEAH AS LONG AS IT SCREWS WITH THE RIGHT SO BE IT. No. We shouldn't use tribalism to allow us to support things we would despise on the other side. Luckily, this isnt even whats really happening but its scary people would be ok to support it if it was just because it was done against republicans

What we have to go on right now is:
"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages."

What you make of that is up to you. Personally I do not think they would mention such a thing if they simply mean they are going to do a text message blast of some kind.

And I agree, there are far too many people here who would burn down the country as long as they believed the people in the other political party would burn more.

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