Topic List | |
---|---|
ThePusher 07/17/21 9:53:44 AM #1: |
& a timeline if possible
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Xethuminra 07/17/21 9:54:47 AM #2: |
Colonial America, 1776
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
a-c-a-b 07/17/21 9:55:57 AM #3: |
You should check out William Blum's book Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions Since WW2.
--- Save for your doomed future ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
a-c-a-b 07/17/21 4:35:54 PM #4: |
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * --- Save for your doomed future ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
RchHomieQuanChi 07/17/21 4:39:09 PM #5: |
a-c-a-b posted...
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list Jesus --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
sabrestorm 07/17/21 4:40:40 PM #6: |
No official list because officially it never happened
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Shablagoo 07/17/21 5:12:15 PM #7: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Jesus Gotta secure (read: steal) them resources for the mass overconsumption and waste of the imperial core. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
MorbidFaithless 07/17/21 5:41:43 PM #8: |
How has the rest of the world not teamed up and kick the US ass? As an American, it's deserved
--- walk like thunder ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Shablagoo 07/17/21 5:58:10 PM #9: |
MorbidFaithless posted...
How has the rest of the world not teamed up and kick the US ass? As an American, it's deserved Global hegemony, both in terms of soft power (media) and military might. Look how many military bases we have around the world. In fact, Id never heard of the Australian coup attempt in the list a-c-a-b linked before and thats one of the cited reasons for it the ousted leader wanted to kick the U.S. military bases out of the country. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Lost_All_Senses 07/17/21 6:01:30 PM #10: |
Shablagoo posted...
Gotta secure (read: steal) them resources for the mass overconsumption and waste of the imperial core. But our billionaires now get to "morally" benefit majorly off all this to play rocket man. So it all works out. There's definitely nothing immoral about turning a blindeye to all the blood spilled that allowed you to get that watch that could feed a thousand families. --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
MorbidFaithless 07/17/21 6:51:38 PM #11: |
Shablagoo posted...
Global hegemony, both in terms of soft power (media) and military might. Look how many military bases we have around the world.So we're earth's tyrant and everyone accepts it. Sad. --- walk like thunder ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Background_Guy 07/17/21 7:01:29 PM #12: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Ukraine 2014 *How did the US cause the Ukrainian Revolution? ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Background_Guy 07/17/21 7:09:41 PM #13: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
France 1965Also I looked this up and all that happened in 1965 was De Gaulle won and election against a left-wing candidate. Is the list guy arguing that the US was supporting the socialist candidate, because I can't find any info about it. This list is full of holes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ScazarMeltex 07/17/21 7:10:35 PM #14: |
sabrestorm posted...
No official list because officially it never happenedDeclassified CIA documents would disagree. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
unnamedsoldier 07/17/21 7:10:41 PM #15: |
tankie topic
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/17/21 7:11:02 PM #16: |
MorbidFaithless posted...
How has the rest of the world not teamed up and kick the US ass? As an American, it's deserved Because most of them have a positive opinion of the US, especially compared to other powers like China. The extreme self-hatred and nihilism you see from western leftist isn't normal at all, they've just convinced themselves they're a majority by spending their entire lives on the internet. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/17/21 7:13:57 PM #17: |
Background_Guy posted...
Also I looked this up and all that happened in 1965 was De Gaulle won and election against a left-wing candidate. Is the list guy arguing that the US was supporting the socialist candidate, because I can't find any info about it. It also considers the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo as an example of "overthrowing a government". Tankies are not to be taken seriously. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/17/21 7:38:53 PM #18: |
Wait that list gets worse the more I read it.
The first gulf war was an example of the US trying to overthrow a government? What? The invasion of Panama removed a dictator from power so that the candidate who had just won the election could take office. It also list the 2002 attempted coup in Venezuela even though the US not only refused to take part in that, but warned Chavez of the plot. It's insane how the far-left is so dependent on misinformation to gain support. The horse shoe theory is real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
mustachedmystic 07/17/21 8:10:22 PM #19: |
Crappy list notwithstanding, the majority of the world's population is better off then they would be under Chinese, or Russian hegemony. Not that it's an excuse, only the truth.
--- Vegy is a 30 year old man, who's pretending to be a 60 year old woman that likes to act like a 57 year old man that pretends to be a horny 16 year old boy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ElatedVenusaur 07/17/21 8:33:46 PM #20: |
mustachedmystic posted...
Crappy list notwithstanding, the majority of the world's population is better off then they would be under Chinese, or Russian hegemony. Not that it's an excuse, only the truth.Is it? What would China do thats so much worse? Not that China isnt awful, mind, but its not like we actually promote democracy. I recently read Debt: A 5,000 Year History by David Graeber, and he cast U.S. treasury bonds in an interesting light: its basically cash transfers to the U.S. Treasury, and thus something like tribute payments, though of course these bonds theoretically give their holders some power over the U.S. , particularly in large quantities. The next global hegemon will rule in a climatical dark age, Im afraid. --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/17/21 8:34:33 PM #21: |
ElatedVenusaur posted...
What would China do thats so much worse? You're beyond parody at this point. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
pure_temper 07/17/21 8:36:02 PM #22: |
https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/52153
We contribute to the extensive literature on international influences on democratization and democratic breakdowns by conceptualizing hegemonic mechanisms of regime change and assessing them empirically. Our findings are based on a multi-methods approach and highlight the varying importance of hegemonic influences in post-1945 Latin America. We argue that US support for democratization was consistent in the wave of transitions to democracy that began in Latin America in 1978 and that it was decisive in many of these transitions. While past work has attributed responsibility to the US for the waves of democratic breakdowns from 1948 to 1956 and 1964 to 1976, an examination of the 27 breakdowns from 1945 to 2010 gives reason to doubt this interpretation. Future research could use these conceptual and methodological tools to explore the role of other powers in waves of democracy and authoritarianism. --- It's obvious all religions are fundamentally true. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
averagejoel 07/17/21 8:42:11 PM #23: |
mustachedmystic posted...
Crappy list notwithstanding, the majority of the world's population is better off then they would be under Chinese, or Russian hegemony. Not that it's an excuse, only the truth.the majority of the population of countries that have been victims of US imperialism is far worse off than they would have been if the US had just stayed out of their country --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
#24 | Post #24 was unavailable or deleted. |
ThePusher 07/17/21 9:42:01 PM #25: |
thx for the list
Background_Guy posted... How did the US cause the Ukrainian Revolution?https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
IllegalAlien 07/17/21 9:52:51 PM #26: |
pretty much all of central and south america
--- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ScazarMeltex 07/17/21 9:55:45 PM #27: |
pure_temper posted...
https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/52153Nothing screams support for democracy like overthrowing democratically elected Governments so American corporations can make money exploiting the resources and people of a country. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
averagejoel 07/17/21 10:23:49 PM #28: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
Nothing screams support for democracy like overthrowing democratically elected Governments so American corporations can make money exploiting the resources and people of a country.obviously "democracy" refers to the ability to participate in one election every four years between a right-wing party and a far-right-wing party who largely implement variations on the same policies --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ThePusher 07/19/21 5:17:42 AM #29: |
stuff like dis is y i cant understand how ppl defend imperialism
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ncsonic 07/19/21 5:28:05 AM #30: |
Damn... that's so disturbing, some of these countries are on the list multiple times, essentially means that the US didn't even like the new government they helped implement.
--- ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Shezarr 07/19/21 5:30:32 AM #31: |
ThePusher posted...
thx for the listA communist posting a link to a Koch-backed rightwing thinktank is all kinds of hilarious --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ThePusher 07/19/21 5:42:46 AM #32: |
is anything in dat article inaccurate tho?
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Shezarr 07/19/21 7:18:17 AM #33: |
It may not be, I dont have time to read it atm and im certainly not going to defend American imperialism. I just saw Cato and had to laugh
--- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
brestugo 07/19/21 8:27:44 AM #34: |
The U.S. presence in Somalia was to provide security for the UN Humanitarian relief program (UNOSOM). When Somali militias led buy Muhammad Farah Aidid began attacking coalition troops as a threat to their authority (they attacked Pakistanis first), UN coalition forces left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia UN Security Council Resolution 733 and UN Security Council Resolution 746 led to the creation of UNOSOM I, the first mission to provide humanitarian relief and help restore order in Somalia after the dissolution of its central government. United Nations Security Council Resolution 794 was unanimously passed on 3 December 1992, which approved a coalition of United Nations peacekeepers led by the United States. Forming the Unified Task Force (UNITAF), the alliance was tasked with assuring security until humanitarian efforts aimed at stabilizing the situation were transferred to the UN. Landing in 1993, the UN peacekeeping coalition started the two-year United Nations Operation in Somalia II (UNOSOM II) primarily in the south. UNITAF's original mandate was to use "all necessary means" to guarantee the delivery of humanitarian aid in accordance to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, and is regarded as a success. Aidid saw UNOSOM II as a threat to his power and in June 1993 his militia attacked Pakistan Army troops, attached to UNOSOM II, (see Somalia (March 1992 to February 1996)) in Mogadishu inflicting over 80 casualties. Fighting escalated until 19 American troops and more than 1,000 civilians and militia were killed in a raid in Mogadishu during October 1993. The UN withdrew Operation United Shield on 3 March 1995, having suffered significant casualties, and with the rule of government still not restored. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
pikachupwnage 07/19/21 8:50:40 AM #35: |
MorbidFaithless posted...
So we're earth's tyrant and everyone accepts it. Sad. Look we have done fucked up shit and some of it were indeed coups. But anything from Shab will be fake, exaggerated, lacking context or specifically dropped to prop up China in comparison because he loves shilling for a country committing genocide. Please look up actual sources instead of relying on that clown. --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/19/21 8:52:41 AM #36: |
ThePusher posted...
stuff like dis is y i cant understand how ppl defend imperialism Your definition of imperialism is the US intervening in Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
pikachupwnage 07/19/21 8:55:44 AM #37: |
ThePusher posted...
stuff like dis is y i cant understand how ppl defend imperialism Blind Nationalism or vehement opposition to the ideology of opposing powers to the point you think a pot of bad things are justifiable to oppose them. It's probablt more palatable to most then an Empire as it's ostensibly less oppressive with power less centralized. Or just being a sociopath/Politician --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ThePusher 07/19/21 9:03:41 AM #38: |
Broseph_Stalin posted...
Your definition of imperialism is the US intervening in Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing.no my definition of imperialism is the us acting like the world police & carrying out countless coups w no accountability ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
legendary_zell 07/19/21 9:14:14 AM #39: |
Broseph_Stalin posted...
Your definition of imperialism is the US intervening in Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing. You can deflect all you want, but the reality is that this country has or violently attempted to strip sovereignty and democracy from the Philippines, Haiti, Cuba, the Dominican Republic multiple times, Vietnam, the Congo, Egypt,all of South and Central America several times, Iran, and Indonesia. That's an immense amount of fuckery that can only be defended by the insistence that America knows best and should be able to enforce our will on others through violence and subterfuge. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/19/21 9:25:04 AM #40: |
How is directly responding to a list someone else posted deflecting lmao, like I'm talking about the examples they gave.
The US is by far the most benevolent power to ever exist. Posting a bunch of populist misinformation you got from some Kremlin-backed loser on the internet doesn't change that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ThePusher 07/19/21 9:33:44 AM #41: |
Broseph_Stalin posted...
The US is by far the most benevolent power to ever exist.lmfao ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
legendary_zell 07/19/21 9:34:29 AM #42: |
Broseph_Stalin posted...
How is directly responding to a list someone else posted deflecting lmao, like I'm talking about the examples they gave. Talking about one example and ignoring all the others that absolutely happened and were horrific is deflecting. How many did we kill, poison, impoverish, displace, or rob of political choice in Southeast Asia in the 50s-70s alone? That's not populist misinformation, that's historical fact. It doesn't matter if we're the most "benevolent power" by some arbitrary metric. All powers are and have been trash. Including China, the USSR, etc, this isn't about some defense of communism. Being at the top of that trash heap is not something to brag about, it just means you're getting high on your own supply. The reality is that we've caused unfathomable suffering and changed the course of countless nations for the worse in pursuit of our economic and ideological interests. It's important to recognize that so we can stop doing it. People like you would have us continue because you're so convinced of our benevolence and that our current ideological framework is the best one and that no one should even think that they can do something different. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/19/21 9:53:25 AM #43: |
legendary_zell posted...
It doesn't matter if we're the most "benevolent power" by some arbitrary metric. All powers are and have been trash. Including China, the USSR, etc, this isn't about some defense of communism. Being at the top of that trash heap is not something to brag about, it just means you're getting high on your own supply. The share of the world's population living in democracies has skyrocketed during the Pax Americana. As have incomes, literacy levels and access to health care. All while poverty, hunger and deaths from war decline. America isn't "less bad", it's good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
legendary_zell 07/19/21 10:18:16 AM #45: |
Broseph_Stalin posted...
The share of the world's population living in democracies has skyrocketed during the Pax Americana. As have incomes, literacy levels and access to health care. All while poverty, hunger and deaths from war decline. Thanks for going full mask off. I sincerely, genuinely hope you never get close to any form of power because many people will die and you won't lose a second of sleep. It would just be nice if you had to experience being one of the many eggs broken on the way to the proverbial neoliberal omelette. Instead it'll be some disappeared leftist college student in Colombia. But that's no sweat off your back. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Shezarr 07/19/21 10:24:09 AM #46: |
Broseph_Stalin posted...
Pax Americana*snort* --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/19/21 10:28:00 AM #47: |
legendary_zell posted...
It would just be nice if you had to experience being one of the many eggs broken on the way to the proverbial neoliberal omelette. I love how you think I'm supposed to care what you think as you advocate for objectively worse outcomes, as if you have the high ground here. Shezarr posted... *snort* I can't imagine ever getting mad because people are better off today, yet it seems like a daily occurrence for you guys. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
legendary_zell 07/19/21 10:43:28 AM #48: |
When you read about our atrocities throughout the centuries and wonder "how could people of the time have thought this was okay", there's no need to do that.
Because those people are still here. We call them idealogues and you can see one in the flesh by observing people like Broseph. Advocating for not doing coups, assassinating, and provoking civil wars and letting other countries choose their own destiny is actually advocating for worse outcomes in his mind because only American neolibs know and can provide the best outcomes. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
The Trent 07/19/21 10:44:57 AM #49: |
shouldn't the united states also be on the list
we're so good at coup-ing that we almost coup-ed ourselves --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Broseph_Stalin 07/19/21 10:47:31 AM #50: |
legendary_zell posted...
only American neolibs know and can provide the best outcomes. Liberalism is literally the only political movement that has produced good outcomes, yes. You've finally got it. Sorry but you lose the moral high ground defending objectively worse people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Shezarr 07/19/21 11:09:21 AM #51: |
Liberalism and neoliberalism are not synonymous, fyi
--- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Topic List |