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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:08:05 PM
#51:


Umbreon posted...


Yeah just ask all the women who get abused by men they thought they could change.

Did you just bring up abuse victims as a way to win an argument? The fuck is wrong with you?
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garan
07/20/21 7:10:15 PM
#52:


I wouldn't marry anyone, so this is an easy no.
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Umbreon
07/20/21 7:11:38 PM
#53:


Slayer_22 posted...
Did you just bring up abuse victims as a way to win an argument? The fuck is wrong with you?

You were suggesting "Give horrible people a chance, they can change!" were you not? I'm just pointing out how dangerous that advice is.

You can't change someone, they have to be willing to change themselves. If someone is racist, they aren't going to magically stop being racist just because you were nice to them.

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bsp77
07/20/21 7:15:10 PM
#54:


Umbreon posted...
You were suggesting "Give horrible people a chance, they can change!" were you not? I'm just pointing out how dangerous that advice is.

You can't change someone, they have to be willing to change themselves. If someone is racist, they aren't going to magically stop being racist just because you were nice to them.
You are correct, sir

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:15:44 PM
#55:


Umbreon posted...


You were suggesting "Give horrible people a chance, they can change!" were you not? I'm just pointing out how dangerous that advice is.

You can't change someone, they have to be willing to change themselves. If someone is racist, they aren't going to magically stop being racist just because you were nice to them.

Yes, but this situation isn't comparable to a fucking abuse victim. Its a mindset that isn't outright dangerous. Both are situations you can handle differently ffs.
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bsp77
07/20/21 7:17:48 PM
#56:


Slayer_22 posted...
Yes, but this situation isn't comparable to a fucking abuse victim. Its a mindset that isn't outright dangerous. Both are situations you can handle differently ffs.
The vast majority of bigoted people don't change. Why would I waste my time with a toxic woman when there are so many women out there?

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Southernfatman
07/20/21 7:18:41 PM
#57:


As long as she's not an anti-dentite as well.

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Umbreon
07/20/21 7:20:52 PM
#58:


Slayer_22 posted...
Its a mindset that isn't outright dangerous

Anti semitism "isn't outright dangerous"?

Fuck off with your nonsense.

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LordFarquad1312
07/20/21 7:21:20 PM
#59:


No.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:24:04 PM
#60:


bsp77 posted...

The vast majority of bigoted people don't change. Why would I waste my time with a toxic woman when there are so many women out there?

People deserve a chance. Immediate dismissal will only reinforce shitty beliefs.
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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:25:26 PM
#61:


Umbreon posted...


Anti semitism "isn't outright dangerous"?

Fuck off with your nonsense.

Dude, you just compared victims of abuse to racism. Racists aren't inherently fucking beating people.

And no, words don't hurt like fucking rape and and abuse. Fuck off with YOUR nonsense.
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bsp77
07/20/21 7:25:39 PM
#62:


Slayer_22 posted...
People deserve a chance. Immediate dismissal will only reinforce shitty beliefs.
I agree people deserve a chance. If they change, I won't judge them for past beliefs. Or if I meet them while they have said beliefs, I will talk with them. But I sure af wouldn't date them. As I said, plenty of women.

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Umbreon
07/20/21 7:33:25 PM
#63:


Slayer_22 posted...
Dude, you just compared victims of abuse to racism. Racists aren't inherently fucking beating people.


Countless people are murdered because of racist beliefs. Countless atrocities are permitted because of racism.

"But not all racists kill!"

Sure, and not all abusive spouses lay a hand on their victim. Plenty of abusers hurt their victims with words alone, you don't need to touch someone to fuck with them.

Meanwhile even if a racist doesn't kill, they encourage others to look down on those they hate. A racist family will raise their children to be racist, will vote for racist policies that hurt people, etc.

Racism isn't merely saying the N word.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:43:27 PM
#64:


Umbreon posted...


Countless people are murdered because of racist beliefs. Countless atrocities are permitted because of racism.

"But not all racists kill!"

Sure, and not all abusive spouses lay a hand on their victim. Plenty of abusers hurt their victims with words alone, you don't need to touch someone to fuck with them.

Meanwhile even if a racist doesn't kill, they encourage others to look down on those they hate. A racist family will raise their children to be racist, will vote for racist policies that hurt people, etc.

Racism isn't merely saying the N word.

Fuck off with your weird obsession with comparing abuse victims to racism, dude. It's in bad taste, and entirely unnecessary. Jesus fucking Christ, you can make your point without 'oh, abuse victims!!!11'.

As someone who grew up with a racist biological father, I know what racism leads to. I also know racists that have changed their minds, some don't, but to immediately dismiss every single racist because 'oh, it could be bad' is just asinine.
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bsp77
07/20/21 7:47:50 PM
#65:


Slayer_22 posted...
Fuck off with your weird obsession with comparing abuse victims to racism, dude. It's in bad taste, and entirely unnecessary. Jesus fucking Christ, you can make your point without 'oh, abuse victims!!!11'.

As someone who grew up with a racist biological father, I know what racism leads to. I also know racists that have changed their minds, some don't, but to immediately dismiss every single racist because 'oh, it could be bad' is just asinine.
I will dismiss every racist from my dating pool, and any self respecting person who isn't overly desperate would do the same.

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Umbreon
07/20/21 7:49:07 PM
#66:


I rarely discuss the subject, so I'm not sure how it's an "obsession".

Slayer_22 posted...
As someone who grew up with a racist biological father, I know what racism leads to


Slayer_22 posted...
immediately dismiss every single racist because 'oh, it could be bad' is just asinine.


Do you? Because you seem rather tolerant of it. Me personally? I want nothing to do with racists. Why would I take a chance with one, when I can be with a good person instead?

Why tolerate intolerance?

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:54:12 PM
#67:


Umbreon posted...
I rarely discuss the subject, so. Do you? Because you seem rather tolerant of it. Me personally? I want nothing to do with racists. Why would I take a chance with one, when I can be with a good person instead?

Why tolerate intolerance?

Because people can change.

So...you are the one bringing up fucking abuse, and you keep bringing it up for no reason except to win some shitty argument on the internet.
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bsp77
07/20/21 7:56:05 PM
#68:


Slayer_22 posted...
Because people can change.

So...you are the one bringing up fucking abuse, and you keep bringing it up for no reason except to win some shitty argument on the internet.
Then date them after they change. Can you answer why you would knowingly start dating a racist, as opposed to, I don't know, a non-racist?

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 7:59:21 PM
#69:


bsp77 posted...

Then date them after they change. Can you answer why you would knowingly start dating a racist, as opposed to, I don't know, a non-racist?

Because it's the question TC posed. I've also dated an abuse victim, which is apparently just as bad.

If I'm dating someone who happens to be racist, I'm not gonna break up with them just because they exist. I will try to change the person.

Obviously if the person is violent or doubles down and makes it an issue, that is a different story. But the way TC frames it, it's something that affects nothing but can be changed, imo. And if it can't, that is a different story.
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Umbreon
07/20/21 7:59:42 PM
#70:


Slayer_22 posted...
Because people can change.

If they want to. Not because you stick your neck out.

So you're fine with racists because they might possibly potentially change? If a woman who happened to be in the KKK wanted to date you, you'd date her?

Slayer_22 posted...
So...you are the one bringing up fucking abuse,


I brought it up once, to show why your argument of "People can change, so it's okay to date shitty people!" is bad. That is not an obsession.


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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:01:47 PM
#71:


Umbreon posted...
I brought it up once, to show why your argument of "People can change, so it's okay to date shitty people!" is bad. That is not an obsession.


You brought it up just for internet argument points, yes, I think that is understood.

I kinda already answered your first question already. Fuck off with the abuse comparisons. It's unnecessary ffs.
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bsp77
07/20/21 8:03:06 PM
#72:


Slayer_22 posted...
Because it's the question TC posed. I've also dated an abuse victim, which is apparently just as bad.

If I'm dating someone who happens to be racist, I'm not gonna break up with them just because they exist. I will try to change the person.

Obviously if the person is violent or doubles down and makes it an issue, that is a different story. But the way TC frames it, it's something that affects nothing but can be changed, imo. And if it can't, that is a different story.
No one said dating an abuse victim is bad. WTF?

But you didn't answer the question. Why start dating them in the first place? I mean, if we had been together for months and I love them and then I learn about racism, I might try to see if there is hope of change. But usually you know pretty quickly if the person you are dating is racist.

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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:04:57 PM
#73:


Slayer_22 posted...
If I'm dating someone who happens to be racist, I'm not gonna break up with them just because they exist. I will try to change the person.


YOU


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"FIX"

PEOPLE

Holy shit please be trolling. Please be pulling my leg and tell me you wouldn't willingly put yourself in a terrible relationship because you think you're someone's "redemption".

Change has to be voluntary, from within. You can't make a racist not racist by being nice to them or 'hearing them out'.

The fact that you're okay with people being racist is, in fact, further encouragement. Your willingness to look the other way and put up with it is permission for further racism.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:05:39 PM
#74:


bsp77 posted...

No one said dating an abuse victim is bad. WTF?

But you didn't answer the question. Why start dating them in the first place? I mean, if we had been together for months and I love them and then I learn about racism, I might try to see if there is hope of change. But usually you know pretty quickly if the person you are dating is racist.

He's straight up putting the fault on the victims for going back.

I'm not actively looking to date racist people. But if I'm dating someone and they happen to be racist, yes, I'm all for change. That is what I assume the initial post was about.
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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:06:48 PM
#75:


Umbreon posted...


YOU


CANNOT


"FIX"

PEOPLE

Yes you fucking can, stop comparing abuse victims to racism for internet argument points and go do something helpful or shut the fuck up, man.
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bsp77
07/20/21 8:08:56 PM
#76:


Slayer_22 posted...
He's straight up putting the fault on the victims for going back.

I'm not actively looking to date racist people. But if I'm dating someone and they happen to be racist, yes, I'm all for change. That is what I assume the initial post was about.
He wasn't putting the fault on abuse victims. But looking back on the posts, I can see how it could be taken that way by someone who is sensitive to it.

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Letron_James
07/20/21 8:10:06 PM
#77:


Yes but only if she keeps it behind closed doors and doesn't berate people in public/online

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:10:26 PM
#78:


bsp77 posted...

He wasn't putting the fault on abuse victims. But looking back on the posts, I can see how it could be taken that way by someone who is sensitive to it.

It sure looked like it to me. He can fuck off. I've known plenty of abuse victims and him just throwing that out there for internet points pisses me off.
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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:10:30 PM
#79:


At no point did I place any blame on the victim. At no point is the abuse said victims suffered justified.

What I am saying is that many people ended up hurt, or worse, because "I can change them" mentality.

You can't fix a shitty person, nor are you obligated to give them the chance to hurt you or anyone else.

I am not saying any of this for "internet points". I am saying this BECAUSE THAT FUCKING MENTALITY GETS PEOPLE FUCKING KILLED! YOU CANNOT "FIX" A RACIST, YOU CANNOT "FIX" AN ABUSER! HOLY SHIT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE NICE TOWARDS SHITTY PEOPLE!

Understand?

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Unite
07/20/21 8:10:33 PM
#80:


Lets you be the beta male care giver for her and chads kids , while she cheats on you?
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Kolibri X
07/20/21 8:11:30 PM
#81:


Umbreon posted...
YOU

CANNOT

"FIX"

PEOPLE

Holy shit please be trolling. Please be pulling my leg and tell me you wouldn't willingly put yourself in a terrible relationship because you think you're someone's "redemption".

Change has to be voluntary, from within. You can't make a racist not racist by being nice to them or 'hearing them out'.

The fact that you're okay with people being racist is, in fact, further encouragement. Your willingness to look the other way and put up with it is permission for further racism.

No, YOU cannot change people; probably because you lack any compassion or empathy for people and instantly write people off. This guy however can:

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:11:53 PM
#82:


Umbreon posted...
Understand?

I understand that you're someone who would rather throw abuse victims under the bus rather than actually argue your point, yes.
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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:13:41 PM
#83:


Like "Hey guys, I know this person said that minorities don't deserve human rights and has actively encouraged others to think the same way, and actively votes in a way to strip rights away from others, but let's give them a chance. They haven't actually killed anyone..."

Oh but you brought up abuse victims in an appropriate context. That's somehow too far.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:14:58 PM
#84:


Umbreon posted...
Oh but you brought up abuse victims in an appropriate context. That's somehow too far.

Oh fuck off with that dogshit excuse.
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bsp77
07/20/21 8:18:54 PM
#85:


Slayer_22 posted...
Oh fuck off with that dogshit excuse.
I notice you didn't quote the first part which Umbreon is 100% correct about

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:21:20 PM
#86:


bsp77 posted...

I notice you didn't quote the first part which Umbreon is 100% correct about

Because he's arguing in bad faith. I didn't say any of that, nor am I agreeing with it. He's just being obtuse to win an argument, and I'm admittedly not gonna deal with his shit at this point.
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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:21:23 PM
#87:


Kolibri X posted...
No, YOU cannot change people; probably because you lack any compassion or empathy for people and instantly write people off. This guy however can:

Why is it I see that story linked, it's usually an attempt to claim the KKK "aren't so bad"?

Regardless, those members willingly walked away from their path of hatred. It was not merely because someone was polite to them. Unless you think every other Black person was rude and dismissive towards them?

This isn't even getting into the times where kindness is repaid with cruelty.

Slayer_22 posted...
I understand that you're someone who would rather throw abuse victims under the bus rather than actually argue your point, yes.

No one was thrown under the bus. How about you actually address my point instead of crying foul? "You just said that for points!" doesn't address what I said, nor refute it.

You still have failed to answer why you would knowingly date a racist.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:23:43 PM
#88:


Umbreon posted...
No one was thrown under the bus. How about you actually address my point instead of crying foul? "You just said that for points!" doesn't address what I said, nor refute it.

You still have failed to answer why you would knowingly date a racist.

Yeah, "I know I threw abuse victims under the bus, but why didn't you take me seriously?!?!?!?".

I'm totally on board with just not taking you seriously any further.
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Machete
07/20/21 8:24:24 PM
#89:


Slayer_22 posted...


You brought it up just for internet argument points, yes, I think that is understood.

I kinda already answered your first question already. Fuck off with the abuse comparisons. It's unnecessary ffs.


So now you're going to do this everytime you disagree with someone... claim what they say is atrocious because the entire premise for it is "jUsT 2 wiN iNtErNeT aRgUmEnT" because for some bullshit reason, that claim worked once. So fucking transparent...
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Dark_SilverX
07/20/21 8:25:29 PM
#90:


yeah. marry and smash.

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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:26:51 PM
#91:


Explain how I threw anyone under the bus. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong, I'm not so egotistical as to be unable to do that.

How did I throw abuse victims under the bus exactly? Keep in mind that I don't care about winning arguments or "internet points", so don't make that unsupported claim.

Also, I cannot help but notice you still have not answered why you would date a racist.


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pikachupwnage
07/20/21 8:26:51 PM
#92:


Fuck no.

Anyone who is straight up racist is a no.

A little ignorant or insensitive perhaps but straight up antisemitic no no no.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:29:01 PM
#93:


Machete posted...


So now you're going to do this everytime you disagree with someone... claim what they say is atrocious because the entire premise for it is "jUsT 2 wiN iNtErNeT aRgUmEnT" because for some bullshit reason, that claim worked once. So fucking transparent...

The fuck are you even talking about? He legitimately brought up abuse victims, uncalled for, just to try and win an argument. Because apparently an abuse victim getting abused is on them because they were foolish enough to try and change someone.
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Machete
07/20/21 8:29:11 PM
#94:


Umbreon posted...
At no point did I place any blame on the victim. At no point is the abuse said victims suffered justified.

What I am saying is that many people ended up hurt, or worse, because "I can change them" mentality.

You can't fix a shitty person, nor are you obligated to give them the chance to hurt you or anyone else.

I am not saying any of this for "internet points". I am saying this BECAUSE THAT FUCKING MENTALITY GETS PEOPLE FUCKING KILLED! YOU CANNOT "FIX" A RACIST, YOU CANNOT "FIX" AN ABUSER! HOLY SHIT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE NICE TOWARDS SHITTY PEOPLE!

Understand?


That user is trolling. This whole "win argument/internet point" is a bullshit gaslighting tactic that worked once last week. Slayer_22 is going to be using it constantly now as a result. Just don't take it seriously.
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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:31:00 PM
#95:


Umbreon posted...
Explain how I threw anyone under the bus. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong, I'm not so egotistical as to be unable to do that.

How did I throw abuse victims under the bus exactly? Keep in mind that I don't care about winning arguments or "internet points", so don't make that unsupported claim.

Also, I cannot help but notice you still have not answered why you would date a racist.


You obviously do, considering what you did. You aren't even willing to admit you're wrong, either. What the fuck? Lie more.

And I already answered above, just not to you. You lack any sort of reading comprehension in favor of just bringing up irrelevant shit to win arguments.
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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:31:55 PM
#96:


Machete posted...
That user is trolling. This whole "win argument/internet point" is a bullshit gaslighting tactic that worked once last week. Slayer_22 is going to be using it constantly now as a result. Just don't take it seriously.


They have my deepest and sincerest condolences if they truly are attempting to gaslight me, because that is something I've dealt with since childhood.

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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:32:30 PM
#97:


Machete posted...


That user is trolling. This whole "win argument/internet point" is a bullshit gaslighting tactic that worked once last week. Slayer_22 is going to be using it constantly now as a result. Just don't take it seriously.

Worked once? What the hell are you even talking about?

Aren't you the same person that says he's gonna make people disappear because they disagree with him?
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Machete
07/20/21 8:33:25 PM
#98:


Slayer_22 posted...


You aren't even willing to admit you're wrong, either. What the fuck? Lie more.


Lmao, another bullshit gaslighting claim that was plucked from the same place as the internet arguments points bullshit gaslighting claim.
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Slayer_22
07/20/21 8:34:23 PM
#99:


Umbreon posted...


They have my deepest and sincerest condolences if they truly are attempting to gaslight me, because that is something I've dealt with since childhood.

No, I'm not. Machete has a grudge against me because I brought up the fact that he posted some sick stuff about what he'd do to a user over on a discord.

I'm just not dealing with your bullshit, dude. Accept that you said something fucked up and take it back, is it really that hard?
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Umbreon
07/20/21 8:36:11 PM
#100:


Well Slayer, I attempted to see eye to eye with you. Try to see your reasoning over why I did what you've accused me of, and you can't even do that.

So I'm left to conclude that you're just really really upset over being questioned over your indifference over racism.


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