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Bio1590
07/25/21 12:18:50 PM
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I wish I had saved it when I originally saw it, but every time Vicious_Dios posts all I can think of is this image I saw on Twitter one time of an anime girl jumping up with her hand in the air captioned "I'm going to make a homophobic post!"

(Although in this case it's transphobic, but same idea).
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Machete
07/25/21 12:25:19 PM
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That makes sense. The average trump supporter would definitely struggle to differentiate between elephants and birds. If you show donald trump a picture of an elephant and like a dozen bird pictures and ask him to determine which is the elephant, he would probably point to a lampshade on the other side of the room...
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CyricZ
07/25/21 12:29:24 PM
#153:


Machete posted...
That makes sense. The average trump supporter would definitely struggle to differentiate between elephants and birds. If you show donald trump a picture of an elephant and like a dozen bird pictures and ask him to determine which is the elephant, he would probably point to a lampshade on the other side of the room...
He would tell you how it's a violation against HIPAA to force him to answer that question.

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Bio1590
07/25/21 12:32:40 PM
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TheSavageDragon
07/25/21 12:36:00 PM
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"Everywhere I looked, was propaganda" says man that creates propaganda for children
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Tyranthraxus
07/25/21 12:37:14 PM
#157:


Crash posted...
Page - Number of posts

1 - 2
2 - 1
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4 - 1 (but the page is young!)
You're not missing anything.

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DoomSwell
07/25/21 12:44:07 PM
#158:


Can the antiracist book be less transparent though? Like Im all for teaching kids good morals but its better to let them figure it out for themselves instead of just telling them what to think.

How about a fantasy story about elves being oppressed until a Romeo & Juliet-esque tragedy? I mean make it obvious & engage with the kid to see if they got the point, but don't just spell it out.

Naming the book literally "Antiracist Baby" is just making it politically charged for the sake of being politically charged. Can we not make everything political? Why does racism & transphobia have to be political?

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CyricZ
07/25/21 12:49:28 PM
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Yeah having read through Antiracist Baby it feels less like an actual tale for kids and more of a guideline for people who understand more advanced concepts, but presented in the medium of a child's book, and thus guidelines on how to raise one's children to be antiracist.

DoomSwell posted...
Why does racism & transphobia have to be political?
Was it ever not?

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limp-bizkit-89
07/25/21 12:49:47 PM
#160:


DoomSwell posted...
Naming the book literally "Antiracist Baby" is just making it politically charged for the sake of being politically charged.

this is the weirdest thing about the current times we live in.

since when are things like racism and abuse of authority political things? Theyre supposed to be decency things.

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CyricZ
07/25/21 12:52:27 PM
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limp-bizkit-89 posted...
since when are things like racism and abuse of authority political things?
I mean the cynic in me says "since a major political wing decided they were for them instead of against them", but then, there's always been a political arm that's been for them.

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action52
07/25/21 12:59:07 PM
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DoomSwell posted...
Can the antiracist book be less transparent though? Like Im all for teaching kids good morals but its better to let them figure it out for themselves instead of just telling them what to think.
Well it's a book for tiny children. The storytelling needs to be simple and direct. Your elf story might be good for kids in elementary school and above but this is for kids three and under.

That said, it being too on the nose is a valid criticism. There probably is a more elegant way to teach this than literally naming it "Antiracist Baby."

But things like that usually disappear naturally over time. If it's not good, it will go away.

But it's nothing worth getting mad over. At worst, it's a harmless book that isn't very good and will be forgotten ten years from now. Or maybe it's brilliant and will become a classic children's book on Dr. Seuss level. I don't know, because I've never even read it.

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CyricZ
07/25/21 1:02:40 PM
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As an alternative, I just read a few pages of "Woke Baby" and it seems more in line with sending the message without dropping complicated topics on top of it.

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DoomSwell
07/25/21 2:06:22 PM
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action52 posted...
but this is for kids three and under.
Do we need to introduce it THAT early? Its not like kids are born with racism, especially not children of parents who would even buy a book like that in the first place.

Its not a children's book about racism, its a bookshelf trophy for the virtue signaling parents.

Im not upset, Im just saying its a bad book that will be forgotten like you said. Its a shame it tarnishes political discourse on its way to obscurity though. Even by an insignificant amount. Last straw vs camels back, etc.

CyricZ posted...
Was it ever not?
It sadly has been for a long time if not always but Im saying it never should have been. Accepting people should be good manners, not something on the balot. You don't see arguments over 'please & thank you' or keeping your elbows off the table. We should argue about taxes instead of civil rights because rights should be obvious.

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CyricZ
07/25/21 3:02:25 PM
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DoomSwell posted...
It sadly has been for a long time if not always but Im saying it never should have been. Accepting people should be good manners, not something on the balot. You don't see arguments over 'please & thank you' or keeping your elbows off the table. We should argue about taxes instead of civil rights because rights should be obvious.
Yet here we are. This is the world we're living in.

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TheRadiant
07/25/21 3:03:32 PM
#166:


"Brave Books" yes so brave to hate other people

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ssjevot
07/25/21 4:28:38 PM
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DoomSwell posted...
Do we need to introduce it THAT early? Its not like kids are born with racism, especially not children of parents who would even buy a book like that in the first place.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/06/anti-racist-children

The science suggests we do indeed need to start that early.

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Umbreon
07/25/21 4:33:06 PM
#168:


ssjevot posted...
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/06/anti-racist-children

The science suggests we do indeed need to start that early.


Yep. There's a reason certain types keep saying it's "too early" to introduce kids to LGBTQ+. It's because it's a lot easier to raise kids to think those people are 'wrong' before they learn that gay marriage is no different than heterosexual marriage.


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HylianFox
07/25/21 4:37:47 PM
#169:


TheSavageDragon posted...
"Everywhere I looked, was propaganda" says man that creates propaganda for children

That's just the way these people see the world.

Everything is propaganda. If it's not your propaganda, then it's someone else's.
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ooger
07/25/21 6:44:00 PM
#170:


YoungMan posted...
Do y'all know how to read the english language or are y'all feigning to get sympathy from me? Because it isn't working.
Y'all know that you should go back to your telegram safe space?

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limp-bizkit-89
07/25/21 6:49:10 PM
#171:


YoungMan posted...
Do y'all know how to read the english language or are y'all feigning to get sympathy from me? Because it isn't working.

Do you all know how to read the English language or are you feigning to get sympathy from me? Because it isnt working.

^ fixed it for you. You said English, not backwoodsgese

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BlackJackCat
07/25/21 6:52:43 PM
#172:


limp-bizkit-89 posted...
this is the weirdest thing about the current times we live in.

since when are things like racism and abuse of authority political things? Theyre supposed to be decency things.

I think it's just easier to conflate uncomfortable topics with politics because some people look at religion and politics as topics to avoid at the dinner table, or in general. These are the same people I believe who whine that not everything has to be political on forums, usually while making things political themselves. It's a safe space tactic, if you make politics taboo in mixed company than you can just label things that you don't like political and there is an expectation to drop the subject. Naturally this is a shitty way to look at things, if I'm right, but I'm pretty sure that's the intent, if not something more outright hateful.

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SomeLikeItHoth
07/25/21 6:53:15 PM
#173:


Umbreon posted...
gay marriage is no different than heterosexual marriage.
Not true but okay.

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Umbreon
07/25/21 6:58:51 PM
#174:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Not true but okay.

How so?

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Kakapo
07/25/21 7:06:48 PM
#175:


TheRadiant posted...
"Brave Books" yes so brave to hate other people
They figured it was catchier than we feel threatened by anyone who is not exactly like us books

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SomeLikeItHoth
07/25/21 7:10:36 PM
#176:


Umbreon posted...
How so?
Judging by your sig theres nothing I can say that you will agree with so I wont bother.

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CyricZ
07/25/21 7:21:28 PM
#177:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Judging by your sig theres nothing I can say that you will agree with so I wont bother.
Ah the new "Anything I say will get modded."

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Umbreon
07/25/21 7:24:23 PM
#178:


CyricZ posted...
Ah the new "Anything I say will get modded."

About what I expected from Hoth.

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ooger
07/25/21 8:46:40 PM
#179:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Judging by your sig theres nothing I can say that you will agree with so I wont bother.
Lol, scared of answering the question, little guy?

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action52
07/26/21 1:17:40 AM
#180:


CyricZ posted...
Ah the new "Anything I say will get modded."
Technically they're not wrong tho

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ooger
07/26/21 9:47:25 AM
#181:


action52 posted...
Technically they're not wrong tho
Technically they are cowards.

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Vicious_Dios
07/26/21 6:13:34 PM
#182:


ooger posted...
Technically they are cowards.

You have an extremely low-threshhold on what you gauge cowardice on, imo.

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CyricZ
07/26/21 7:05:11 PM
#183:


Hey "low threshold" may as well be the motto of CE.

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ooger
07/26/21 10:05:56 PM
#184:


Vicious_Dios posted...
You have an extremely low-threshhold on what you gauge cowardice on, imo.
Your opinions matter very very very very very little to me, imo.

They do not matter. At all.

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Vicious_Dios
07/26/21 10:47:48 PM
#185:


[ X ] Doubt.


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Teh_Dr_Phil
07/26/21 11:48:56 PM
#186:


Iwin2013 posted...
He says this ladies and gentlemen, with Cheeto dust firmly implemented in his beard as he breaks his first sweat of the day playing The last of Us.
who are you talking to lmao


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SomeLikeItHoth
07/27/21 1:29:38 AM
#187:


Teh_Dr_Phil posted...
who are you talking to lmao
Could be any of the 40+ year old SJWs currently fuming over this topic.

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Goldice
07/27/21 2:19:53 AM
#188:


GranolaPanic posted...
Remember when Fox News said The Lorax and Studio Ghibli were liberal indoctrination for children?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuFcWkFJZgk

Yeah but when they went after Dr Seuss it was different
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ooger
07/27/21 9:56:55 AM
#189:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Could be any of the 40+ year old SJWs currently fuming over this topic.
People who use the term "SJW" are typically the biggest snowflakes.

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Machete
07/27/21 10:37:56 AM
#190:


ooger posted...

People who use the term "SJW" are typically the biggest snowflakes.


SomeLikeItHoth has made exactly 1 non-trolling post ever. It was on the wrong account.
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SomeLikeItHoth
07/27/21 6:32:27 PM
#191:


Machete posted...
SomeLikeItHoth has made exactly 1 non-trolling post ever. It was on the wrong account.
Which one post?

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Machete
07/27/21 8:11:52 PM
#192:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Which one post?


The one where you posted the spreadsheet of dozens of your alts.
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SomeLikeItHoth
07/27/21 8:58:49 PM
#193:


Machete posted...
The one where you posted the spreadsheet of dozens of your alts.
I don't have a list like that. And if I did, that would be thousands of accounts.

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Machete
07/27/21 10:23:35 PM
#194:


SomeLikeItHoth posted...

I don't have a list like that. And if I did, that would be thousands of accounts.


You didn't show the full thing, just the first page, which had you, FrankIin and about 60-70 johnlennon alts, all with passwords (which you obviously blotted out) included on the excel sheet.
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XxAxem_BlackxX
07/27/21 10:31:50 PM
#196:


While I like this idea, the people who would buy their kids these books are the people who would have raised their kids with traditional values anyway. Making our ideas mainstream is the hard part.
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HylianFox
07/27/21 10:35:01 PM
#197:


XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
While I like this idea, the people who would buy their kids these books are the people who would have raised their kids with traditional values anyway. Making our ideas mainstream is the hard part.

wtf does "traditional values" even mean anymore?

is looking at anti-racism books and thinking "what we need are more PRO-racism books!" really a 'value' of any kind?

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Rathinor
07/27/21 10:53:24 PM
#198:


XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
While I like this idea, the people who would buy their kids these books are the people who would have raised their kids with traditional values anyway. Making our ideas mainstream is the hard part.
"traditional" values are pretty shit anyways and they're mostly dying out.
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ssjevot
07/28/21 1:18:21 AM
#199:


HylianFox posted...
wtf does "traditional values" even mean anymore?

is looking at anti-racism books and thinking "what we need are more PRO-racism books!" really a 'value' of any kind?

I mean technically racism and homophobia are traditional values. The thing is a lot of traditional values are bad and need to go.

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IShall_Run_Amok
07/28/21 1:23:26 AM
#200:


Rathinor posted...
"traditional" values are pretty shit anyways and they're mostly dying out.
This. Garbage like that is best just wiped out.

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