Current Events > CinemaSins under fire for his impact on how this generation views stories

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It always amazes me when I find out people actually take those videos seriously

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

It always amazes me when I find out people actually take those videos seriously

There's a certain portion of the population who have lost the ability to interpret satire. Or they have just become addicted to their own outrage.

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spikethedevil posted...

Or you can know that and still find it fucking dumb.

That is also an intentional design of the show. It is dumb. It knows its dumb. It wants you to laugh at how dumb it is.

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Bass_X0 posted...

That is also an intentional design of the show. It is dumb. It knows its dumb. It wants you to laugh at how dumb it is.

Okay and? Making an intentionally shitty show that intentionally blends the line between actual criticism and intentional juvenile pedantry does not absolve of it of being a shitty product. If your product is based around deception, then your product is going to deceive people. That's really shitty. That's just a shitty standard for shitty people.

We all know what CinemaSins is. No matter which way you try to justify it's exploitative practices doesn't make those practices go away.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Okay and? Making an intentionally shitty show that intentionally blends the line between actual criticism and intentional juvenile pedantry does not absolve of it of being a shitty product. If your product is based around deception, then your product is going to deceive people. That's really shitty. That's just a shitty standard for shitty people.

We all know what CinemaSins is. No matter which way you try to justify it's exploitative practices doesn't make those practices go away.

Who tf are you to police the kind of content someone else makes? So long as no humans or animals are harmed in production and it isn't an attempt to incite violence I see no problem, this strange war against satire baffles me

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CE continually fails to understand the way plebs consume media.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Who tf are you to police the kind of content someone else makes? So long as no humans or animals are harmed in production and it isn't an attempt to incite violence I see no problem, this strange war against satire baffles me

I'm a human being with a brain. I can criticize and discourage whatever shitty content I want. Who tf are you to police what kind of criticism someone else makes?

I have no problem with satire, I have a problem with fostering cultures of misinformation and deception for self-gain. If I wanted to watch good satire of movies I'd watch RLM or YMS.org because they are responsible content creators who have some sense of moral obligation to avoid explicitly exploiting stupid people for money.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

This video does a good job at illustrating some things I don't like about CinemaSins.

https://youtu.be/apJnWkCuqkc

TL;DW They basically sit on the fence between parody and legitimate nitpicking, which basically prevents anybody from calling out their dumber takes because they can just say you're not meant to take them seriously (even though there's times when they're clearly trying to be legit critics).

Yea, death battle plays this exact same game when their called out regularly for their gabage. GL vs Ben ten probably being one of the best examples of it and their ego to never admit their wrong and or scewed up.

Substituting travel speed for combat speed lately doeasnt help there. It's ridiculous at best, and lazy at the worst.

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cinemasims often repeatedly outright tells you they are just randomly giving sins for nonsense. 99% of it is done for laughs (depending on your taste of course) and then 1% sometimes actual legitimate bitching.

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Prismsblade posted...

Yea, death battle plays this exact same game when their called out regularly for their gabage. GL vs Ben ten probably being one of the best examples of it and their ego to never admit their wrong and or scewed up.

Substituting travel speed for combat speed lately doeasnt help there. It's ridiculous at best, and lazy at the worst.

Death Battle isn't a critique of anything though and isn't an authority on shit like this. They're like basically shippers except instead of sex they're selling who wins in a fight. People place too much value on their opinions.

Also Sephiroth should have gotten his fucking ass beat so hard he ended up with worse PTSD than cloud.

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CinemaSins defends itself by arguing that it's satire but then makes actual criticisms in its videos that are often false. The claim of "You don't get it" doesn't actually address the criticism and implies everything they say is satire and every mistake they make is intentional (when that is blatantly absurd.)

I dunno if they've impacted media they are pretty shit

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

The fact that they occasionally criticize real flaws in movies doesn't change that they aren't serious reviewers. The entire point is to be overly negative to a comedic degree. That doesn't necessitate avoiding legitimate criticisms.

The same goes for sins that are outright wrong. The "joke" is the negativity, not the critque.

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

The same goes for sins that are outright wrong. The "joke" is the negativity, not the critque.

This is silly. You're saying that they can make criticisms of flaws, but if those criticisms aren't correct, it's merely part of the satire. It's saying they can't ever be wrong or criticized, because anytime you can actually point out a flaw with what they're saying, it's actually just them being clever. That's not how satire works, and many many many videos have demonstrated the pitfalls with their videos in this regard.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

This is silly. You're saying that they can make criticisms of flaws, but if those criticisms aren't correct, it's merely part of the satire. It's saying they can't ever be wrong or criticized, because anytime you can actually point out a flaw with what they're saying, it's actually just them being clever. That's not how satire works, and many many many videos have demonstrated the pitfalls with their videos in this regard.

Nah, you can call them out when they actually get shit wrong, just don't take them seriously is all. They'll stretch things to make a joke, forget stuff to "make a humorous point" or even ignore something they just said. Or will give a 100 sins to something they praised last episode.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

This is silly. You're saying that they can make criticisms of flaws, but if those criticisms aren't correct, it's merely part of the satire. It's saying they can't ever be wrong or criticized, because anytime you can actually point out a flaw with what they're saying, it's actually just them being clever. That's not how satire works, and many many many videos have demonstrated the pitfalls with their videos in this critique.

No one's saying you can't criticize them. Do so as much as you like. There are plenty of flaws in their shtick. The point to remember is that it isn't an actual movie review. It's essentially a bastardization of observation humor. Like any type of humor, it's not for everyone.

And that's not a defense of what they do. It's just pointing out what the channel is about.


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What a convenient wall to hide behind, though.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I'm a human being with a brain. I can criticize and discourage whatever shitty content I want. Who tf are you to police what kind of criticism someone else makes?

I have no problem with satire, I have a problem with fostering cultures of misinformation and deception for self-gain. If I wanted to watch good satire of movies I'd watch RLM or YMS.org because they are responsible content creators who have some sense of moral obligation to avoid explicitly exploiting stupid people for money.

They're silly videos on the internet, there is no moral obligation. Seriously, lead me through the moral responsibility one needs to consider when making silly internet videos reviewing movies, like what exactly do you think the viewers are taking away from these videos that causes harm?

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

No, that's why they're better than CinemaSins.

How are they better ? They do the same thing for their wins that Sins do for their "sins". And it is even worse. They overlook bad writing, use fan ideas that weak and never brought up in the movie to defend horrible things . Just for example TLJ too a good bad guy in Hux, someone who stood right in Kylo's face in TFA. Who were leading troops , who was competent. Then changed him into a Saturday Morning Villain.

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Captain_Qwark posted...

I'm sure they point out some silly inconsistencies

But surely nobody actually believes all 150 gripes per movie are serious

He had a second channel where he would do movie reviews and answer questions. It was basically cinemasins without the snark so he really does believe a lot of what he says.

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cjsdowg posted...

How are they better ?

Because they are fun, and like TLJ.

I don't care about any of the other stuff you typed.

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

The same goes for sins that are outright wrong. The "joke" is the negativity, not the critque.

I have to ask, as a kid were you in the habit of trying to use an 'everything-proof shield' on the playground?

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

This video does a good job at illustrating some things I don't like about CinemaSins.

https://youtu.be/apJnWkCuqkc

TL;DW They basically sit on the fence between parody and legitimate nitpicking, which basically prevents anybody from calling out their dumber takes because they can just say you're not meant to take them seriously (even though there's times when they're clearly trying to be legit critics).

Been saying this about Yahtzees reviews for years. Most of his stuff consists of him barely playing a game, then nitpicking little flaws and blowing them way out of proportion for comedic effect (while making sex and poop jokes). He responds to criticism to his points with the old its just satire excuse, but theres a large portion of his fanbase that will argue that hes a real journalist.

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Been saying this about Yahtzees reviews for years. Most of his stuff consists of him barely playing a game, then nitpicking little flaws and blowing them way out of proportion for comedic effect (while making sex and poop jokes). He responds to criticism to his points with the old its just satire excuse, but theres a large portion of his fanbase that will argue that hes a real journalist.

It's just their subjective opinions taken to hyperbole for comedic effect, criticism of something subjective can really only be one of degree or delivery, satire answers all of those gripes sufficiently. The people that consider them real journalists likely don't have any heightened respect for the opinions of alleged "professional" opinion havers and are only saying that in jest.

But I do understand some of the criticism, I'm not some kinda robot pretending to be human or anything. It seems to me that after a certain point reviewers on Youtube discovered that negative reviews were more popular and thus more profitable. As such they all unanimously seemed to abandon positive reviews and inflate every nitpick, they never learned to be funny or entertaining while being positive. What they all need is the wisdom of Tim Rogers, the legendary Kotaku reviewer that isn't terrible. Let us all bask in the luminescence of his fanboy panache:
https://youtu.be/4iTbUGItU0s

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Because they are fun, and like TLJ.

I don't care about any of the other stuff you typed.

So you like them because they have shitty taste like yours, that is all you had to say.

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I think "but what about Yahtzee" is not really the best route to take this.

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So here's another thing that bothers me about CinemaSins.

Even if it's "satire," it's terribly written satire. Satire should have good points to make. It should be well researched. It should be consistent.

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sevihaimerej posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

It always amazes me when I find out people actually take those videos seriously

There's a certain portion of the population who have lost the ability to interpret satire. Or they have just become addicted to their own outrage.

There's always been people who don't get satire. People read A modest proposal and thought that it was actually suggesting people to eat babies.
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harley2280 posted...

There's always been people who don't get satire. People read A modest proposal and thought that it was actually suggesting people to eat babies.

What is CinemaSins satirizing?

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

What is CinemaSins satirizing?

The hotel concierge bell

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

So here's another thing that bothers me about CinemaSins.

Even if it's "satire," it's terribly written satire. Satire should have good points to make. It should be well researched. It should be consistent.

It's purposely not trying to make good points or be consistent though. They even often say this. It's just cheap/easy laughs.

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Funkydog posted...

It's purposely not trying to make good points of be consistent though. They even often say this. It's just cheap/easy laughs.

What's the joke?

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

What's the joke?

...Whatever nonsense they decide to write to make a funny about what's on screen?

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

What is CinemaSins satirizing?

Other YouTube reviewers. That's all it is, a parody of what is already hyperbole

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sevihaimerej posted...

Other YouTube reviewers. That's all it is, a parody of what is already hyperbole

Which one? I don't know any other youtube reviewer, especially pre-CinemaSins, that reviews like that. And so the satire is just the same thing literally hundreds of times, "Look at how shitty these other reviewers are lol DING!"?
It doesn't make sense. Why are they pretending to show real critiques about movies when they're satirizing reviewers. They're not, they're just claiming satire as a weak defense when their criticisms are blatantly wrong. If anything they purposefully throw in wrong information to generate buzz and clicks, but that's just shitty behavior.

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CyricZ posted...

I think "but what about Yahtzee" is not really the best route to take this.

Is this in response to my post? I was saying both are terrible.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

So here's another thing that bothers me about CinemaSins.

Even if it's "satire," it's terribly written satire. Satire should have good points to make. It should be well researched. It should be consistent.

And THAT'S the true reason the channel sucks, lol. At least imo, anyway.

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When many viewers arent getting that its satire, its probably not very good satire.

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masterpug53 posted...

I have to ask, as a kid were you in the habit of trying to use an 'everything-proof shield' on the playground?

No, I was just in the habit of explaining what people were getting wrong about a subject of conversation. Still am, in fact.

Like, I'm sorry that people don't like it, but that's literally all cinemasins is: A joke channel. Believe they're trying to be real critics if that makes you happier, just don't be surprised to hear many more people tell you the same thing.

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They're garbage and they pander to the dumbest people.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Which one? I don't know any other youtube reviewer, especially pre-CinemaSins, that reviews like that. And so the satire is just the same thing literally hundreds of times, "Look at how shitty these other reviewers are lol DING!"?
It doesn't make sense. Why are they pretending to show real critiques about movies when they're satirizing reviewers. They're not, they're just claiming satire as a weak defense when their criticisms are blatantly wrong. If anything they purposefully throw in wrong information to generate buzz and clicks, but that's just shitty behavior.

Ugh, I meant the hyperbolic negativity most other YouTube reviewers employ, the hypersensitive nitpickery is what the channel is a parody of. There are numerous times the channel outright tells you exactly how serious you should take the things you see and hear within, but even if one were to take everything 100% seriously people that are still trying to criticize what are already just subjective points as if you can somehow prove them objectively wrong are not well...

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sevihaimerej posted...

Ugh, I meant the hyperbolic negativity most other YouTube reviewers employ, the hypersensitive nitpickery is what the channel is a parody of.

post a single youtube reviewer from before cinemasins that you think they actually represent a satire of

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Frolex posted...

post a single youtube reviewer from before cinemasins that you think they actually represent a satire of

Inb4 someone links hitb

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sevihaimerej posted...

Ugh, I meant the hyperbolic negativity most other YouTube reviewers employ, the hypersensitive nitpickery is what the channel is a parody of. There are numerous times the channel outright tells you exactly how serious you should take the things you see and hear within, but even if one were to take everything 100% seriously people that are still trying to criticize what are already just subjective points as if you can somehow prove them objectively wrong are not well...

It's not satire to just be wrong about something.
If I said, "cats actually evolved from dogs," that's not satire, that's just an incorrect statement. And if I repeatedly made the same mistake over hundreds of videos, it would be even less likely to be satire.
I had to look this up, but saying, I Robot spoilers: "Why do the robots in I Robot turn red when they turn evil?" Isn't a subjective criticism. There's a plot reason that's explained in the movie, they just missed it. They very rarely make subjective points, they usually try to point out plot holes. The problem is is that often those plot holes aren't there, they are just digging them up to present to their audience for clicks.
What they're doing Isn't satire. There no allusion to other reviewers. The hyper negative review style rode off their coattails, not the other way around. What they're doing is really shitty reviews with loud noises and clickbait that attract an uncritical audience. It's Fox news, or America's Got Talent, or The Big Bang Theory for youtubing Gen X'ers and millenials.

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Frolex posted...

post a single youtube reviewer from before cinemasins that you think they actually represent a satire of

All of them, it's a parody of the trend of negative reviews prevailing not the style of a single person. Hyperbolic nitpicking. Seems to me you're being difficult to try and justify your irrational hatred

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People who make shitty movies blaming the negative response on some comedy youtube channel

sevihaimerej posted...

All of them, it's a parody of the trend of negative reviews prevailing not the style of a single person. Hyperbolic nitpicking. Seems to me you're being difficult to try and justify your irrational hatred

asking you to find one example is "difficult"?

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Frolex posted...

asking you to find one example is "difficult"?

Ok ok, AVGN. There, that kinda nitpicking, minus the actual gimmick of the character in favor of the rapid fire method but it's still just a symptom of the userbase rewarding that kind of content. Really doesn't matter if I got my timelines mixed up and cinemasins has been there longer than the others, I could cite "the rest of the crap" section of ye olde EGM magazine for the trend of negativity and pretty much every famous movie critic ever for the trend of snobbish nitpicking.

Anyway, that's the least important comment I've made here so I shant address that framing of things again as I feel it would only lead to more circles, if you're going to address anything how about we stop beating around the bush and talk about what actual negative consequences people claim a channel like Cinemaisins is capable of generating. I can't fathom how a joke YT channel that does shitty little quickfire movie reviews is capable of anything other than mindless entertainment for the lowest common denominator

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They are 75% not to be taken seriously. The other 25 %, god forbid we quit overlooking character stupidity because the movie calls for it for the plot to work or big action scene to be set up. You can still enjoy a movie and admit some things don't hold to logic.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Ok ok, AVGN.

how is Cinemasins satire if AVGN is not?

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