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Why are the judge and prosecution talking about the defense attorney suffering consequences for getting his client off? This concept seems more kangaroo-courty than usual for the series.

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Yeah I never liked that plot point. It's what he's supposed to do.
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This cat door asspull is some buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullshit.

Gregson is fucking stupid. Why not just make an objection/outburst in court when Graydon told him he had the disk? He could have explained the confidential nature of the information, ensuring it doesn't get played, AND not tried to get an innocent child convicted of murder. Worst fucking detective in the franchise. Also how the fuck did he know about the bloodstains on the coat?

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Finished the game.

That was great. Really surprising how open-ended the game is. Pretty unexpected for an Ace Attorney game. I mentioned it before how the last case felt... less grand? Than is usual for a final case in these games. But mostly that was kind of good. Those cases tend to be very verbose and this was more focused on characterization than grand trial theatre. Mostly. Sometimes it did feel a little slow. I also thought I was going to hate the Skulkin brothers when they were introduced, but by the end I was quite fond of them. The whole thing with the flap-omat was complete asshat, from the implications on the case, to the logic it suggested for Susato and her absurd forward look regarding it. I don't even think it would count as something illegal. The place was burgled, someone had been shot and the door was locked. She was just trying to see inside so she'd have an idea if Mr. Windibank was hurt. That was not crime scene manipulation. That's stupid. I kind of found Graydon sympathetic as a villain. Like, he's not some large looming beast as we usually see in a final case, but when he was giving up and explaining himself, I found his story quite morose in a way where my impulse wasn't to hate or dislike him, but, like himself, in a state of sad acceptance of the situation. I think I've expressed it already but I really liked that aspect of the case. This is what, the 10th game in the franchise I've played and at this point "different" can be a positive trait in itself.

But I do think the cases are just too long, and I was probably wrong in saying that the lack of invesigation phases after the trials begin was a boon. They just go on for too long. Even the first case was waaaay too long. Which is retroactive made more apparent by the case not having a resolution. I was kind of expecting it to be a setup for probably the last case in the game, but no, that's completely unrelated. I think the break up that invesigation phases have is probably really needed, just to keep it from being samy for 3+ hours in a row.

Overall I'd say it's a really fucking good AA game. My brain wants me to say that it's not one of my favourites, but looking down at the list, I can't think of more than one or two others I'd put above it, so I guess it is, lol.

Excited for the sequel, and whether it ends up tying everything together or a lot of stuff gets left un... Resolve...d. I dunno if I'll start it today, but probably tomorrow if not.

Edit: Also I must restate that I really don't like The Great Deduction, despite how cool it is.

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It goes back to the 2 investigation 2 trial format in Resolve btw

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I suspect you're gonna LOVE the 2nd game if you were this positive on the 1st. Look forward to seeing your reactions!

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Friends, be honest.

How much Rei/Susato slash fiction is there on the internet?

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i feel like case 2-3 is the case i've been waiting for

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Sexual assault doesn't exist in the world of Ace Attorney, or no lawyer is willing to acknowledge it happens.

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TwoDoorPC posted...

i feel like case 2-3 is the case i've been waiting for

Bro

You're right.

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just met enoch. i think he's quickly becoming a favourite character of mine

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TwoDoorPC posted...

i feel like case 2-3 is the case i've been waiting for

It's funny to contrast how totally underwhelmed I felt at the beginning with how into it I got by the end, lol.

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i'm not usually smart enough to figure out the majority of a case before it ends, but I'm at the second trial of 2-3 and i think i've got it figured out


asman is the professor. he killed someone close to drebber before he was executed, and somehow survived or faked his death. drebber caught him in the act of his 'resurrection', which was what caused the loss of his hair colour. asman rose to power as a criminal leader, unaware that drebber knew his real identity or that he was still alive. drebber then later planned the fake experiment demonstration as an elaborate plot to kill asman. asman got in the birdcage, the explosion happened while the birdcage asman was in dropped to the ground, which gave him the neck injury before drebber finished him off with the screwdriver stabbing. while this was going on, the birdcage with the profesor/asman waxwork in it burst from the green balloon because of the crossbow, which is why drebber also orchestrated the waxwork's theft. after the professor/asman birdcage fell into the tower, drebber swapped the birdcage and is why the waxwork has the glass in it. i suspect he had an accomplice, maybe tusspells.

let's see how this plays out

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Oh yeah I never posted my rankings.

G2-5>G2-3>G2-4>G1-4>G1-5>G2-1>G1-3>G2-2>G1-2>G1-1

Pretty set with this order.

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Nice, a bunch of folks are getting to the superior game lol
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i only play for 30-45 mins a night before bed. it's my thing to do instead of reading a book. pretty sure i'm nearly finished though, should be done tonight. my theory is turning out to be fairly wrong so far though. thought i read that one right, but the professor's identity has to be significant though. it's too suspicious that it's being kept a mystery so far

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Im on the trial of the final case on GAA1. I play these games very slowly. Wasnt so surprised to learn that McGilded really was a bad dude. It was like a Matt Engarde situation all over again.

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BlueBoy675 posted...

Im on the trial of the final case on GAA1. I play these games very slowly. Wasnt so surprised to learn that McGilded really was a bad dude. It was like a Matt Engarde situation all over again.

that's exactly what i thought, haha.

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wow, that was probably the best third case in the entire series

also damn, naruhodo gave drebber a verbal beat down ALSO kazuma got his memories back! AND he's the professor's son?!

holy shit

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Seriously. Strap in man, this ride is not going to slow down.

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excellent, i'm looking forwrd to it. will probably take me until christmas at this rate though.

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I finished 1-5. Was not expecting Gregson to be in on the whole thing. It kinda gave me flashbacks to Dual Destinies with Fulbright. Funny considering I think this game was directly after DD in Japan, so they pulled the whole detective twist twice in a row, albeit differently. I am curious to see where they go with that list of names. My theory is that there is some kind of deeper conspiracy going on and that Kazumas death may not have been exactly what we thought.

Taking a break before I play the second game though. Gonna finally start SMT V

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ArmieBuff posted...

Danganronpa on switch comes out today too for people interested

NOT INTERESTED!

Because I own the entire series on PS4 though I know there's some fanservice board game mode in this rerelease. If you haven't played Danganronpa they are VERY good games.

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i also bought the ps4 trilogy after learning of danganronpa's existence. still need to finish v3 some day.

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So I started the second game immediately after finishing the first, but I quickly learned that was a mistake. I needed a break. Well, I just got back into it. Hit the (first?) TBC of case 1 of Resolve. Already I like it much more than the first case of the first game. That was by far the weakest case of the game and it felt very meandering and basically skated by on it introducing all the amazing courtroom animations. Incidentally, I wish they didn't reuse so many of Naruhodo's animations for Ryutaro. I don't think there's a reason to.

But this case feels much more concise and to the point. Maybe not as interesting in itself, but paced a lot better, which honestly just makes it better. Rei is cute as a button and Ryutaro looks amazing. I really wish that was an alternative costume for the rest of the game. Excited to get back into it. Starting out well so far.

As an aside, I can't wait to read this entire topic and unveil all the spoiler boxes when I'm done, lol.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I was gonna get the Summer Camp game, but then I learned that it had a microtransaction economy and noped out.

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I can't say the name "Menimemo"

My tongue stumbles over itself every time I try.

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Can anyone tell me where to choose as the location of the culprit on this map so I don't have to look it up and potentially spoil myself? What the fuck is this shit?

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What part are you on on your save file? Trial part 2, 3, 4?
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Can anyone tell me where to choose as the location of the culprit on this map so I don't have to look it up and potentially spoil myself? What the fuck is this shit?

If it's the part I'm thinking of, isn't it outside the hut behind the victim?

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Part 2

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markconigliaro posted...

If it's the part I'm thinking of, isn't it outside the hut behind the victim?

That's my assumption, but the game doesn't accept any answer I give in that vicinity.

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According to the guide

Point to the light crack at the back of the hut and present it.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

That's my assumption, but the game doesn't accept any answer I give in that vicinity.

I looked it up, I was slightly wrong, it was culprit, not victim. Basically behind the chair. Here's the youtube video, I time stamped the spot I think your on so it should open to that point (or skip to 1:47:00). If it's not the right spot, just exit the video.

https://youtu.be/ItzZ5ajJ-VY?t=6419

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I actually had another game over just trying to click a spot around the back of the chair the game would accept, but I finally got it. That was stupid.

Thanks.

My game did NOT accept where that video clicked. That was one of my first attempts. I had to have the reticule middle touch the back wall for it to work.

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Finished the first case. I really liked that. Lots of interesting things they did to spruce up the general tutorialness of a first case. The length of it was soooooooo much better than in GAA1. The villain was kind of naff, but that's okay. Other stuff going on to make up for it. I really hope we see both Rei and Hosanaga again. Rei feels like a character who might come back in the final case but probably isn't sticking around the entire game. Natsume Soseki kind of felt like a weird character to have in the first case. His inclusion was very hamfisted. But I guess we're going to see him again immediately now in a proper case where he might fit better, so that's fine. Curious to have the first full case be a flashback one that mysteriously wasn't mentioned during the first game. Sounds both interesting and possibly derailing. A lot of the plot setup for the rest of the game was super interesting. I can't believe a judge is an actual character. My appetite has been wetted for the rest of the game to say the least. Ryutaro was a really cool way to start the game off.

Fuck that pinpoint thing, though.

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I will say the reuse of jurors in these games is pretty lame.

At least in this case they do give explanation for it.

I guess.

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Okay, something that's happened a couple of times in these games I don't particularly like is that pieces of evidence will update mid trial and the game either won't tell you, or its hinting will be vague enough that at least I don't notice and you are required to re-investigate them to progress. How was I supposed to know that the substance in the soap bar indentation had melted so I could re-examine it to find that the hole matched the diameters of the three pence coin?

I'm digging the bee motif, though.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

I will say the reuse of jurors in these games is pretty lame.

At least in this case they do give explanation for it.

I guess.

Honestly I think it was a 3DS limitations thing more than anything and they tried to be creative with it

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It sounds like they're actually going to say that Naruhodo was disbarred for defending a guilty man successfully.

Laaaaaaaaaaaame.

One of my least favourite things about the series is how it's almost always unwilling to deal with any of the practicalities of working in law and just always presents a mythological (or comedic) image of it as some noble warrior of truth.

I wonder if the companion of Van Zieks Sholmes refers to is Dr. Mikotoba. He seems to be more involved with the storyline in this game than the last.

Why aren't Susato and Naruhodo commenting on their office being packed away? >_>

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Why aren't Susato and Naruhodo commenting on their office being packed away? >_>

Other way around. They haven't unpacked yet, lol. This takes place a few days after they moved in.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

It sounds like they're actually going to say that Naruhodo was disbarred for defending a guilty man successfully.

Laaaaaaaaaaaame.

It's left ambiguous, but it's almost certain that it's because he revealed state secrets in court during G1-5. I really don't think there's anything that really implies that he was disbarred for defending a guilty man at all.


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Finished the mid-case investigation of case 2 and stopping for today. Yeah, these definitely work better with an investigation segment in between. I like the concept of essentially taking a case that was already closed and then "but wait, there's more!"'ing it. It kind of has a "on the cheap" vibe to it, but in a way I find more fascinating than annoying.

Seems kind of obvious that the situation is gonna turn out to be that Shamspeare was in cahoots with this Selden guy and the loot is hidden somewhere in the middle apartment in the garrideb house, and he murdered Duncan to get it, but somehow failed. How any of that relates to getting Natsume off I dunno, but I imagine it will follow pretty naturally.

It's probably not the most interesting of cases because there is so much repetitition, but like I said, it works pretty well. The second case of the first game was really unique and I can't help compare this negatively, though. Hoping for something a bit more engaging going forward. From what I've gleamed of this topic, case 3 is gonna be an attention grabber >_>

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I gameovered (almost twice) picking the "true culprit" for the case.

I must have missed something blatant somewhere along the way. What the hell.

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Damn, this trial is going placing I wasn't expecting.

It's pretty great.

O rotundity of woman!

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O Profanity of woman! is one of my favorite quotes lol

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