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Squall28 08/30/21 7:10:50 AM #54:	CHM_Punk posted... Other people around the world are *really* oppressed, so quit trying to make positive changes in the first world. Is this what Bill Maher is getting at or am I misrepresenting him? You are misrepresenting him. It isn't that you can't complain or want America to be better. Just don't be so dramatic about it. There are people who act like living in America is some kind of torture. It won't kill you to just a little grateful to be living in one of the richer countries. To someone from a poor immigrant family, the people complaining is like those rich kids complaining that his BMW is second hand. Then when you tell him that there are other kids that would be happy to have a car, they say oh but if you compare himself to the other top 10 richest kids in the class, he's doing really poorly. You can't compare him to the poor, minorities. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:957571178] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>CHM_Punk posted... </cite> <quote>Other people around the world are really oppressed, so quit trying to make positive changes in the first world. Is this what Bill Maher is getting at or am I misrepresenting him?</quote> You are misrepresenting him. It isn't that you can't complain or want America to be better. Just don't be so dramatic about it. There are people who act like living in America is some kind of torture. It won't kill you to just a little grateful to be living in one of the richer countries. To someone from a poor immigrant family, the people complaining is like those rich kids complaining that his BMW is second hand. Then when you tell him that there are other kids that would be happy to have a car, they say oh but if you compare himself to the other top 10 richest kids in the class, he's doing really poorly. You can't compare him to the poor, minorities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
squall567 08/30/21 7:12:19 AM #55:	Why is Bill Maher crying about cancel culture? Doesn't he know that in Afghanistan they execute comedians? --- AMD Ryzen 9 5900x \| Aorus RTX 3080 Xtreme \| Asus B550-A \| 1TB 970 Evo Pro + 2TB 860 Evo \| G.SKILL Trident Z Neo DDR4 32GB 3600Mhz CL16 RAM \| Corsair RM1000x <cite>squall567 posted [p:957571191] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Why is Bill Maher crying about cancel culture? Doesn't he know that in Afghanistan they execute comedians? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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clyde_frog 08/30/21 12:41:05 PM #57:	I like how Bill Maher unironically sets the bar so low that anything better than Afghanistan is deemed a not worthy discussion because hey, things could be worse! --- https://imgur.com/UFOAF http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m71fpsIYJA1qf1116o1_500.jpg ~Formerly known as BabeFAQs~ <cite>clyde_frog posted [p:957577582] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>I like how Bill Maher unironically sets the bar so low that anything better than Afghanistan is deemed a not worthy discussion because hey, things could be worse! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/31/21 8:11:39 AM #58:	squall567 posted... Why is Bill Maher crying about cancel culture? Doesn't he know that in Afghanistan they execute comedians? True, Maher needs to check his privilege. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:957602820] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>squall567 posted... </cite> <quote>Why is Bill Maher crying about cancel culture? Doesn't he know that in Afghanistan they execute comedians?</quote>True, Maher needs to check his privilege. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 8:45:55 AM #59:	squall567 posted... Why is Bill Maher crying about cancel culture? Doesn't he know that in Afghanistan they execute comedians? @squall567 Uh you didn't watch the video. It is super obvious that the vast majority of people ITT did not at all watch the video. He talked about that comedian being executed and used it as an example of why we should be thankful for living in the US. Maher didn't say anything that bad. He criticized right wing people for getting all sappy about the national anthem. He criticized left wing people for being dramatic in their assessment of America. His argument was that although the USA does have problems, we largely have it good. We shouldn't be so sappy and loyal to lose sight of improvements that can be made and we shouldn't attack the very notion of our country even though many elements of it are still very problematic. Like holy crap this has to be one of the absolute worst reactions I've ever seen CE give. Like everyone felt the need to complain, but like nobody watched the damn video. Tldw/r: Maher's argument- you can complain about living in America and take pride about living in America, but please keep those things in perspective. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957603378] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>squall567 posted... </cite> <quote>Why is Bill Maher crying about cancel culture? Doesn't he know that in Afghanistan they execute comedians?</quote> @squall567 Uh you didn't watch the video. It is super obvious that the vast majority of people ITT did not at all watch the video. He talked about that comedian being executed and used it as an example of why we should be thankful for living in the US. Maher didn't say anything that bad. He criticized right wing people for getting all sappy about the national anthem. He criticized left wing people for being dramatic in their assessment of America. His argument was that although the USA does have problems, we largely have it good. We shouldn't be so sappy and loyal to lose sight of improvements that can be made and we shouldn't attack the very notion of our country even though many elements of it are still very problematic. Like holy crap this has to be one of the absolute worst reactions I've ever seen CE give. Like everyone felt the need to complain, but like nobody watched the damn video. Tldw/r: Maher's argument- you can complain about living in America and take pride about living in America, but please keep those things in perspective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TommyG663513 08/31/21 10:16:06 AM #61:	CHM_Punk posted... I didnt watch the video, I was simply going by the rest of the posts. Thanks for clearing it up @TommyG663513 , and @Squall28 . Like it is really sad that so many people didn't watch the video and rushed to judgment. I appreciate you at least admitting you didn't watch it, but also just asking questions and not rushing to any sort of judgment. I say this as someone who really doesn't like Maher, but he gave a fair take on this issue. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957605042] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>CHM_Punk posted... </cite> <quote>I didnt watch the video, I was simply going by the rest of the posts. Thanks for clearing it up @TommyG663513 , and @Squall28 .</quote> Like it is really sad that so many people didn't watch the video and rushed to judgment. I appreciate you at least admitting you didn't watch it, but also just asking questions and not rushing to any sort of judgment. I say this as someone who really doesn't like Maher, but he gave a fair take on this issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/31/21 10:42:41 AM #62:	CHM_Punk posted... I didnt watch the video, I was simply going by the rest of the posts. Thanks for clearing it up @TommyG663513 , and @Squall28 . Actually, you had it right the first time. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:957605700] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>CHM_Punk posted... </cite> <quote>I didnt watch the video, I was simply going by the rest of the posts. Thanks for clearing it up @TommyG663513 , and @Squall28 .</quote>Actually, you had it right the first time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 11:17:53 AM #63:	au_gold posted... Actually, you had it right the first time. Did you even watch the video that you posted? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957606617] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>Actually, you had it right the first time.</quote> Did you even watch the video that you posted? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/31/21 11:23:07 AM #64:	Unfortunately. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:957606748] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Unfortunately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 08/31/21 12:10:24 PM #65:	lol of course CE takes this personally <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:957607908] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>lol of course CE takes this personally </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 12:14:15 PM #66:	au_gold posted... Unfortunately. How did you reach your interpretation, because mine very much differs from yours? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957607998] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>Unfortunately.</quote> How did you reach your interpretation, because mine very much differs from yours? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/31/21 12:43:22 PM #67:	By listening to Bill Maher speak. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:957608755] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>By listening to Bill Maher speak. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 08/31/21 12:45:07 PM #68:	Like I'm not in the mood to listen Maher... ever, but if Tommy and Squall are the ones defending the piece, well, I remain dubious. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:957608805] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Like I'm not in the mood to listen Maher... ever, but if Tommy and Squall are the ones defending the piece, well, I remain dubious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/31/21 12:59:18 PM #69:	maybe just maybe you should base your response on the video and not which usernames are posting. one big reason this board is so tiresome --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:957609199] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>maybe just maybe you should base your response on the video and not which usernames are posting. one big reason this board is so tiresome </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 1:06:22 PM #70:	au_gold posted... By listening to Bill Maher speak. How did you get so much incorrect when all you had to do was quote another human being? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957609416] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>By listening to Bill Maher speak.</quote> How did you get so much incorrect when all you had to do was quote another human being? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 08/31/21 1:06:30 PM #71:	TommyG663513 posted... He criticized left wing people for being dramatic in their assessment of America. TommyG663513 posted... His argument was that although the USA does have problems, we largely have it good. We shouldn't be so sappy and loyal to lose sight of improvements that can be made and we shouldn't attack the very notion of our country even though many elements of it are still very problematic. I think a lot of people did watch the video, but this describes like 90% of CE and they don't like being called out. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:957609421] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>He criticized left wing people for being dramatic in their assessment of America.</quote> TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>His argument was that although the USA does have problems, we largely have it good. We shouldn't be so sappy and loyal to lose sight of improvements that can be made and we shouldn't attack the very notion of our country even though many elements of it are still very problematic.</quote> I think a lot of people did watch the video, but this describes like 90% of CE and they don't like being called out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 08/31/21 1:10:27 PM #72:	Still dubious. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:957609535] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Still dubious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/31/21 1:13:16 PM #73:	TommyG663513 posted... How did you get so much incorrect when all you had to do was quote another human being? In North Korea, people starve to death. The only people who starve here are doing it for a role. Bill Maher --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:957609617] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>How did you get so much incorrect when all you had to do was quote another human being?</quote>In North Korea, people starve to death. The only people who starve here are doing it for a role. Bill Maher </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 08/31/21 1:14:17 PM #74:	when you think starvation is the same as food insecurity because you are exactly the kind of person Maher is talking about <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:957609649] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>when you think starvation is the same as food insecurity because you are exactly the kind of person Maher is talking about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 08/31/21 1:15:40 PM #75:	'You shouldn't complain because others have it worse' is never a good argument. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:957609688] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>'You shouldn't complain because others have it worse' is never a good argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 08/31/21 1:18:03 PM #76:	ledbowman posted... maybe just maybe you should base your response on the video and not which usernames are posting. one big reason this board is so tiresome Did you see that topic where CE was defending the guy for wanting to travel for fun during a pandemic? They'll freely abandon their values if they don't like the opposing poster. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:957609755] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>maybe just maybe you should base your response on the video and not which usernames are posting. one big reason this board is so tiresome</quote> Did you see that topic where CE was defending the guy for wanting to travel for fun during a pandemic? They'll freely abandon their values if they don't like the opposing poster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CapnMuffin 08/31/21 1:23:28 PM #77:	Not a cool thing to try and dilute and use as a rhetorical weapon. But I sort of agree with his end point, and throwing up a straw man to dance around it wont change it. <cite>CapnMuffin posted [p:957609912] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Not a cool thing to try and dilute and use as a rhetorical weapon. But I sort of agree with his end point, and throwing up a straw man to dance around it wont change it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/31/21 1:35:55 PM #78:	Squall28 posted... Did you see that topic where CE was defending the guy for wanting to travel for fun during a pandemic? They'll freely abandon their values if they don't like the opposing poster. no but i believe it --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:957610296] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>Did you see that topic where CE was defending the guy for wanting to travel for fun during a pandemic? They'll freely abandon their values if they don't like the opposing poster.</quote>no but i believe it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 3:11:32 PM #79:	Hornezz posted... 'You shouldn't complain because others have it worse' is never a good argument. Except, that isn't at all the argument. That is your straw man interpretation. Complain, but have some perspective is the argument. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957613023] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>'You shouldn't complain because others have it worse' is never a good argument.</quote> Except, that isn't at all the argument. That is your straw man interpretation. Complain, but have some perspective is the argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 3:12:56 PM #80:	au_gold posted... In North Korea, people starve to death. The only people who starve here are doing it for a role. Bill Maher He used hyperbole, but your interpretation is clearly bad faith --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957613067] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>In North Korea, people starve to death. The only people who starve here are doing it for a role. Bill Maher </quote> He used hyperbole, but your interpretation is clearly bad faith </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 3:15:11 PM #81:	CyricZ posted... Like I'm not in the mood to listen Maher... ever, but if Tommy and Squall are the ones defending the piece, well, I remain dubious. @CyricZ If that is your stance then you have no right to categorize me in a write off category. The absolute least you could do is watch a video and make up your own mind. Can you tell me what I did or said to make you write off an opinion I had without looking into it yourself? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957613140] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Like I'm not in the mood to listen Maher... ever, but if Tommy and Squall are the ones defending the piece, well, I remain dubious.</quote> @CyricZ If that is your stance then you have no right to categorize me in a write off category. The absolute least you could do is watch a video and make up your own mind. Can you tell me what I did or said to make you write off an opinion I had without looking into it yourself? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 08/31/21 3:18:08 PM #82:	What do you get when you cross a board full of insufferably pedantic people with a monologue that contains nuance peppered with obvious jokes that aren't meant to be taken literally? A bunch of angry pedants. --- https://imgur.com/DCjoiZ0 https://www.deviantart.com/fuee/art/spanky1-811230163 <cite>spanky1 posted [p:957613227] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>What do you get when you cross a board full of insufferably pedantic people with a monologue that contains nuance peppered with obvious jokes that aren't meant to be taken literally? A bunch of angry pedants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/31/21 3:21:30 PM #83:	Squall28 posted... You are misrepresenting him. It isn't that you can't complain or want America to be better. Just don't be so dramatic about it. There are people who act like living in America is some kind of torture. It won't kill you to just a little grateful to be living in one of the richer countries. To someone from a poor immigrant family, the people complaining is like those rich kids complaining that his BMW is second hand. Then when you tell him that there are other kids that would be happy to have a car, they say oh but if you compare himself to the other top 10 richest kids in the class, he's doing really poorly. You can't compare him to the poor, minorities. sounds about white --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:957613353] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>You are misrepresenting him. It isn't that you can't complain or want America to be better. Just don't be so dramatic about it. There are people who act like living in America is some kind of torture. It won't kill you to just a little grateful to be living in one of the richer countries. To someone from a poor immigrant family, the people complaining is like those rich kids complaining that his BMW is second hand. Then when you tell him that there are other kids that would be happy to have a car, they say oh but if you compare himself to the other top 10 richest kids in the class, he's doing really poorly. You can't compare him to the poor, minorities.</quote> sounds about white </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TerrifyingRei 08/31/21 3:22:44 PM #84:	DrizztLink posted... I'd listen to Bill Maher smugly shit out of his mouth but I'd really much rather hammer a nail directly down my urethra. hey some people are into that --- 'I saw my future today. It said I'm going away, but I still haven't sung my last line.' - Demon Hunter 'Where did I go wrong? Who was I supposed to be?' - FFDP <cite>TerrifyingRei posted [p:957613385] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>I'd listen to Bill Maher smugly shit out of his mouth but I'd really much rather hammer a nail directly down my urethra.</quote>hey some people are into that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 08/31/21 3:34:21 PM #85:	BeantownHero posted... sounds about white I'm Asian from refugee parents, but ok? --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:957613693] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>sounds about white</quote> I'm Asian from refugee parents, but ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 08/31/21 3:35:12 PM #86:	TommyG663513 posted... Except, that isn't at all the argument. That is your straw man interpretation. Complain, but have some perspective is the argument. That's exactly his argument. It's the whole reason he lists awful things happening abroad. He mentions Honduras' murder rate to make America's seem not so bad in comparison. It is bad and people are right to criticize it. Just because journalists get murdered in countries doesn't make it acceptable for an American president to incite hatred against them. People absolutely have the right to complain about these things. In fact it's Maher himself who's basing this whole section on a straw man: "... current woke ideology is that America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can't find a host for the Oscars or Jeopardy". He's making some hyperbolic caricature of what he calls woke ideology and attacks that instead of addressing any actual criticism. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:957613709] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Except, that isn't at all the argument. That is your straw man interpretation. Complain, but have some perspective is the argument.</quote>That's exactly his argument. It's the whole reason he lists awful things happening abroad. He mentions Honduras' murder rate to make America's seem not so bad in comparison. It is bad and people are right to criticize it. Just because journalists get murdered in countries doesn't make it acceptable for an American president to incite hatred against them. People absolutely have the right to complain about these things. In fact it's Maher himself who's basing this whole section on a straw man: "... current woke ideology is that America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can't find a host for the Oscars or Jeopardy". He's making some hyperbolic caricature of what he calls woke ideology and attacks that instead of addressing any actual criticism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/31/21 3:42:41 PM #87:	Squall28 posted... I'm Asian from refugee parents, but ok? that's awesome. no minority or immigrant has ever repeated white centrist/conservative talking points laughs in Floridian Cuban --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:957613929] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm Asian from refugee parents, but ok?</quote> that's awesome. no minority or immigrant has ever repeated white centrist/conservative talking points laughs in Floridian Cuban </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 08/31/21 3:58:00 PM #88:	BeantownHero posted... that's awesome. no minority or immigrant has ever repeated white centrist/conservative talking points laughs in Floridian Cuban Me: To someone from this background, it sounds like this. You: That sounds white. Me: well I'm actually from this background You:WHITE You're racist man. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:957614378] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>that's awesome. no minority or immigrant has ever repeated white centrist/conservative talking points laughs in Floridian Cuban</quote> Me: To someone from this background, it sounds like this. You: That sounds white. Me: well I'm actually from this background You:WHITE You're racist man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
garan 08/31/21 4:00:43 PM #89:	spanky1 posted... What do you get when you cross a board full of insufferably pedantic people with a monologue that contains nuance peppered with obvious jokes that aren't meant to be taken literally? A bunch of angry pedants. So true. CE is a cesspool far too full of memes & angry shouting. <cite>garan posted [p:957614454] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>spanky1 posted...</cite> <quote>What do you get when you cross a board full of insufferably pedantic people with a monologue that contains nuance peppered with obvious jokes that aren't meant to be taken literally? A bunch of angry pedants.</quote> So true. CE is a cesspool far too full of memes & angry shouting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/31/21 4:16:48 PM #90:	Squall28 posted... Me: To someone from this background, it sounds like this. You: That sounds white. Me: well I'm actually from this background You:WHITE You're racist man. smooth brain take but go off king --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:957614967] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>Me: To someone from this background, it sounds like this. You: That sounds white. Me: well I'm actually from this background You:WHITE You're racist man.</quote> smooth brain take but go off king </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 4:22:56 PM #91:	Hornezz posted... That's exactly his argument. It's the whole reason he lists awful things happening abroad. He mentions Honduras' murder rate to make America's seem not so bad in comparison. It is bad and people are right to criticize it. Just because journalists get murdered in countries doesn't make it acceptable for an American president to incite hatred against them. People absolutely have the right to complain about these things. In fact it's Maher himself who's basing this whole section on a straw man: "... current woke ideology is that America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can't find a host for the Oscars or Jeopardy". He's making some hyperbolic caricature of what he calls woke ideology and attacks that instead of addressing any actual criticism. Wow. You can't be trusted at all lol. That interpretation is completely inside of your own head. He never said you can't have complaints about America. There is a big difference between saying "don't complain" and "keep your complaints I perspective" and many people, you included, have no ability to understand the difference between the two statements. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957615206] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>That's exactly his argument. It's the whole reason he lists awful things happening abroad. He mentions Honduras' murder rate to make America's seem not so bad in comparison. It is bad and people are right to criticize it. Just because journalists get murdered in countries doesn't make it acceptable for an American president to incite hatred against them. People absolutely have the right to complain about these things. In fact it's Maher himself who's basing this whole section on a straw man: "... current woke ideology is that America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can't find a host for the Oscars or Jeopardy". He's making some hyperbolic caricature of what he calls woke ideology and attacks that instead of addressing any actual criticism.</quote> Wow. You can't be trusted at all lol. That interpretation is completely inside of your own head. He never said you can't have complaints about America. There is a big difference between saying "don't complain" and "keep your complaints I perspective" and many people, you included, have no ability to understand the difference between the two statements. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoggyBottomBoy 08/31/21 4:24:30 PM #92:	The gall of him to somehow turn this around on the woke crowd from his pearlescent throne of privilege lmao. If he didnt make outrageous remarks over every disaster or tragedy he would be living in Ohio. --- Fingah POP'n each otha's <cite>SoggyBottomBoy posted [p:957615263] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>The gall of him to somehow turn this around on the woke crowd from his pearlescent throne of privilege lmao. If he didnt make outrageous remarks over every disaster or tragedy he would be living in Ohio. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/31/21 4:28:37 PM #93:	Hornezz posted... That's exactly his argument. It's the whole reason he lists awful things happening abroad. He mentions Honduras' murder rate to make America's seem not so bad in comparison. It is bad and people are right to criticize it. Just because journalists get murdered in countries doesn't make it acceptable for an American president to incite hatred against them. People absolutely have the right to complain about these things. In fact it's Maher himself who's basing this whole section on a straw man: "... current woke ideology is that America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can't find a host for the Oscars or Jeopardy". He's making some hyperbolic caricature of what he calls woke ideology and attacks that instead of addressing any actual criticism. but they do think america is irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded? --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:957615416] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>That's exactly his argument. It's the whole reason he lists awful things happening abroad. He mentions Honduras' murder rate to make America's seem not so bad in comparison. It is bad and people are right to criticize it. Just because journalists get murdered in countries doesn't make it acceptable for an American president to incite hatred against them. People absolutely have the right to complain about these things. In fact it's Maher himself who's basing this whole section on a straw man: "... current woke ideology is that America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can't find a host for the Oscars or Jeopardy". He's making some hyperbolic caricature of what he calls woke ideology and attacks that instead of addressing any actual criticism.</quote>but they do think america is irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/31/21 4:29:43 PM #94:	There is a big difference between saying "don't complain" and "keep your complaints I perspective" and many people, you included, have no ability to understand the difference between the two statements. How sensitive does one have to be to get upset that complaining about american systemic issues isnt put into context enough? --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:957615443] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote><quote>There is a big difference between saying "don't complain" and "keep your complaints I perspective" and many people, you included, have no ability to understand the difference between the two statements.</quote> How sensitive does one have to be to get upset that complaining about american systemic issues isnt put into context enough? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 08/31/21 4:39:57 PM #95:	TommyG663513 posted... Wow. You can't be trusted at all lol. That interpretation is completely inside of your own head. He never said you can't have complaints about America. There is a big difference between saying "don't complain" and "keep your complaints I perspective" and many people, you included, have no ability to understand the difference between the two statements. Oh fuck off. He makes it quite obvious in this video that he thinks the complaints aren't valid and he wants them to stop. He literally says: All you do is bitch about and badmouth your country. If you knew about the country I came from, you'd stop shitting on your own. Granted these were not his words but the words of (allegedly) almost all immigrants in every conversation he's ever had with them, because apparently Bill Maher never talks to immigrants from Canada or Europe or something. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:957615834] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Wow. You can't be trusted at all lol. That interpretation is completely inside of your own head. He never said you can't have complaints about America. There is a big difference between saying "don't complain" and "keep your complaints I perspective" and many people, you included, have no ability to understand the difference between the two statements.</quote>Oh fuck off. He makes it quite obvious in this video that he thinks the complaints aren't valid and he wants them to stop. He literally says: <quote>All you do is bitch about and badmouth your country. If you knew about the country I came from, you'd stop shitting on your own.</quote>Granted these were not his words but the words of (allegedly) almost all immigrants in every conversation he's ever had with them, because apparently Bill Maher never talks to immigrants from Canada or Europe or something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 08/31/21 4:42:46 PM #96:	ledbowman posted... but they do think america is irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded? It's easy to attribute beliefs to a vaguely defined 'they' and then criticize 'them' for it. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:957615933] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>but they do think america is irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded?</quote>It's easy to attribute beliefs to a vaguely defined 'they' and then criticize 'them' for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/31/21 4:47:58 PM #97:	Hornezz posted... It's easy to attribute beliefs to a vaguely defined 'they' and then criticize 'them' for it. whatever man. play your word games. you know plenty of people think that including on this board --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:957616099] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>It's easy to attribute beliefs to a vaguely defined 'they' and then criticize 'them' for it.</quote>whatever man. play your word games. you know plenty of people think that including on this board </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 5:25:49 PM #98:	Hornezz posted... Oh fuck off. He makes it quite obvious in this video that he thinks the complaints aren't valid and he wants them to stop. He literally says: Granted these were not his words but the words of (allegedly) almost all immigrants in every conversation he's ever had with them, because apparently Bill Maher never talks to immigrants from Canada or Europe or something. Holy crap no. Not taking you the least bit seriously. You made a troll topic with a bad take. Done with your crap. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957617266] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>Oh fuck off. He makes it quite obvious in this video that he thinks the complaints aren't valid and he wants them to stop. He literally says: Granted these were not his words but the words of (allegedly) almost all immigrants in every conversation he's ever had with them, because apparently Bill Maher never talks to immigrants from Canada or Europe or something.</quote> Holy crap no. Not taking you the least bit seriously. You made a troll topic with a bad take. Done with your crap. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 5:29:06 PM #99:	BeantownHero posted... How sensitive does one have to be to get upset that complaining about american systemic issues isnt put into context enough? That is a very strange straw man you are fighting --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957617363] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>How sensitive does one have to be to get upset that complaining about american systemic issues isnt put into context enough?</quote> That is a very strange straw man you are fighting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 08/31/21 5:34:09 PM #100:	Hornezz posted... It's easy to attribute beliefs to a vaguely defined 'they' and then criticize 'them' for it. Why always pretend these people don't exist at all? Go to Twitter and see thousands of seething zealots at this very moment, that is worthy of concern. I believe Twitter itself has changed these people and this needs to be studied --- https://imgtc.com/Y8ojZ3x <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:957617507] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>It's easy to attribute beliefs to a vaguely defined 'they' and then criticize 'them' for it.</quote>Why always pretend these people don't exist at all? Go to Twitter and see thousands of seething zealots at this very moment, that is worthy of concern. I believe Twitter itself has changed these people and this needs to be studied </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/31/21 5:39:36 PM #101:	sevihaimerej posted... Why always pretend these people don't exist at all? Go to Twitter and see thousands of seething zealots at this very moment, that is worthy of concern. I believe Twitter itself has changed these people and this needs to be studied Quite frankly, very few people on the left are willing to admit that there is anybody crazy on their side. To be fair, right wing people seem to do it more. That is kind of the defense of left wing people much of the time. They can easily deflect to someone crazier on the right and not have to own up to their own crazy. See this entire topic basically. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:957617666] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Why always pretend these people don't exist at all? Go to Twitter and see thousands of seething zealots at this very moment, that is worthy of concern. I believe Twitter itself has changed these people and this needs to be studied</quote> Quite frankly, very few people on the left are willing to admit that there is anybody crazy on their side. To be fair, right wing people seem to do it more. That is kind of the defense of left wing people much of the time. They can easily deflect to someone crazier on the right and not have to own up to their own crazy. See this entire topic basically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 08/31/21 5:50:05 PM #102:	BeantownHero posted... smooth brain take but go off king Trying to discredit someone because you think their opinion sounds like it belongs to a certain race. That's racism 101. Keep up with your ad hominem and still having the audacity to sit on a high horse though --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:957617960] in Bill Maher... [t:79635935]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>smooth brain take but go off king</quote> Trying to discredit someone because you think their opinion sounds like it belongs to a certain race. That's racism 101. Keep up with your ad hominem and still having the audacity to sit on a high horse though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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