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UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 6:16:25 AM #1:	Should the trial be livestreamed? Yes No Should the trial be livestreamed? - Results (69 votes) Yes 78.26% (54 votes) 54 No 21.74% (15 votes) 15 Lane, Kueng and Thao are scheduled to stand trial next March on charges of aiding and abetting both second-degree murder and manslaughter in Floyds May 2020 death. Their co-defendant, Derek Chauvin, was convicted in April of murder and manslaughter after weeks of proceedings that marked the first time in Minnesota that a criminal trial was livestreamed in its entirety. Before Chauvins trial, lawyers for all four men requested the trials be broadcast, but Lane and Kueng recently backtracked, with their lawyers saying that the worldwide publicity from televised coverage of Chauvins trail crushed their clients right to a fair trial. Lawyers Earl Gray and Tom Plunkett said the public access led some witnesses to decline to testify for the defence, noting one witness in the Chauvin trial has been harassed and another faced professional scrutiny. Cameras in the Chauvin Courtroom brought us to the dangerous pass where people are deterred from testifying for the defense because they fear the wrath of the crowd, they wrote. Thaos lawyer, Robert Paule, said in court on Thursday that he would file a motion to join the other two officers in objecting. Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill, who presided over Chauvins trial and is also handling the case of the other three officers, said he would rule later on the livestreaming matter. Minnesota court rules usually ban cameras at criminal trials unless both sides agree to them. Cahill ordered the trials to be broadcast live, over the initial objections of prosecutors, because of the intense global interest in the case and limited court space due to the pandemic. The livestreaming was widely praised and has led the state to consider expanding its rules for broadcasting future court proceedings. Prosecutors initially opposed livestreaming Chauvins trial but now have said it was the right move protecting everyone involved during the pandemic, allowing for meaningful public access and letting people watch the fair administration of the justice system. They have favoured livestreaming the second trial as well, saying defence claims that audio-video coverage will deny them a fair trial is unconvincing. They said there is no concrete evidence that any witnesses are refusing to testify for the defence and if that is the case, reluctant witnesses can be compelled to appear. Indeed, if Defendants have difficulty finding expert witnesses and there is no evidence that they cannot secure experts that difficulty is a product of their overwhelming guilt, prosecutors wrote. Lawyers for a media coalition also say the court should allow audio-video coverage, saying even if the trial is not televised, witnesses will still face publicity and scrutiny because their names and the content of their testimony will be reported. The media coalition argued that some witnesses are not worried about a livestream but just do not want to be associated with the defendants. The media lawyers also argued that barring cameras would mean the public cannot fully monitor what is going on. Brock Hunter, a Minnesota defence lawyer, said barring cameras will not protect witness identities because whether on stream testifying or just quoted in the news, they are going to be publicly identified and face potential backlash. In other motions filed on Thursday, Gray dropped a request that the state provide all use-of-force reports since July 2016 in which another officer intervened in force used by a colleague, because he is pursuing them from the city. An officers duty to intervene came up often during testimony in Chauvins trial. Cahill also heard arguments Thursday on a defence motion that alleged a potential expert witness for the state coerced the testimony of Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr Andrew Baker, which the state has denied. He also considered a defence request for sanctions after The New York Times reported that Chauvin had been prepared to plead guilty days after Floyds death. Numerous lawyers from the Attorney Generals Office and the Hennepin County Attorneys Office have filed affidavits stating they were not the source of the leaked information. Chauvin has been sentenced to 22.5 years in prison. All four former officers also face federal charges that they violated Floyds civil rights. Full Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/9/2/police-officers-charged-in-george-floyds-oppose-streaming-trial Getting OJ Simpson trial vibes --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957695375] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote> Should the trial be livestreamed? Yes No Vote View Results Should the trial be livestreamed? - Results (69 votes) Yes 78.26% (54 votes) 54 No 21.74% (15 votes) 15 Show Voting Form Lane, Kueng and Thao are scheduled to stand trial next March on charges of aiding and abetting both second-degree murder and manslaughter in Floyds May 2020 death. Their co-defendant, Derek Chauvin, was convicted in April of murder and manslaughter after weeks of proceedings that marked the first time in Minnesota that a criminal trial was livestreamed in its entirety. Before Chauvins trial, lawyers for all four men requested the trials be broadcast, but Lane and Kueng recently backtracked, with their lawyers saying that the worldwide publicity from televised coverage of Chauvins trail crushed their clients right to a fair trial. Lawyers Earl Gray and Tom Plunkett said the public access led some witnesses to decline to testify for the defence, noting one witness in the Chauvin trial has been harassed and another faced professional scrutiny. Cameras in the Chauvin Courtroom brought us to the dangerous pass where people are deterred from testifying for the defense because they fear the wrath of the crowd, they wrote. Thaos lawyer, Robert Paule, said in court on Thursday that he would file a motion to join the other two officers in objecting. Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill, who presided over Chauvins trial and is also handling the case of the other three officers, said he would rule later on the livestreaming matter. Minnesota court rules usually ban cameras at criminal trials unless both sides agree to them. Cahill ordered the trials to be broadcast live, over the initial objections of prosecutors, because of the intense global interest in the case and limited court space due to the pandemic. The livestreaming was widely praised and has led the state to consider expanding its rules for broadcasting future court proceedings. Prosecutors initially opposed livestreaming Chauvins trial but now have said it was the right move protecting everyone involved during the pandemic, allowing for meaningful public access and letting people watch the fair administration of the justice system. They have favoured livestreaming the second trial as well, saying defence claims that audio-video coverage will deny them a fair trial is unconvincing. They said there is no concrete evidence that any witnesses are refusing to testify for the defence and if that is the case, reluctant witnesses can be compelled to appear. Indeed, if Defendants have difficulty finding expert witnesses and there is no evidence that they cannot secure experts that difficulty is a product of their overwhelming guilt, prosecutors wrote. Lawyers for a media coalition also say the court should allow audio-video coverage, saying even if the trial is not televised, witnesses will still face publicity and scrutiny because their names and the content of their testimony will be reported. The media coalition argued that some witnesses are not worried about a livestream but just do not want to be associated with the defendants. The media lawyers also argued that barring cameras would mean the public cannot fully monitor what is going on. Brock Hunter, a Minnesota defence lawyer, said barring cameras will not protect witness identities because whether on stream testifying or just quoted in the news, they are going to be publicly identified and face potential backlash. In other motions filed on Thursday, Gray dropped a request that the state provide all use-of-force reports since July 2016 in which another officer intervened in force used by a colleague, because he is pursuing them from the city. An officers duty to intervene came up often during testimony in Chauvins trial. Cahill also heard arguments Thursday on a defence motion that alleged a potential expert witness for the state coerced the testimony of Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr Andrew Baker, which the state has denied. He also considered a defence request for sanctions after The New York Times reported that Chauvin had been prepared to plead guilty days after Floyds death. Numerous lawyers from the Attorney Generals Office and the Hennepin County Attorneys Office have filed affidavits stating they were not the source of the leaked information. Chauvin has been sentenced to 22.5 years in prison. All four former officers also face federal charges that they violated Floyds civil rights. Full Article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/9/2/police-officers-charged-in-george-floyds-oppose-streaming-trial Getting OJ Simpson trial vibes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 6:22:39 AM #2:	Put them beneath the prison. What's the benefit of having opaqueness in the court as opposed to transparency. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957695434] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Put them beneath the prison. What's the benefit of having opaqueness in the court as opposed to transparency. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 6:25:17 AM #3:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Put them beneath the prison. What's the benefit of having opaqueness in the court as opposed to transparency. As it says in the Article, some people won't testify and it turns the trial into a media circus for public opinion OJ Simpson would have been guilty if there were no cameras Thats the argument --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957695459] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>Put them beneath the prison. What's the benefit of having opaqueness in the court as opposed to transparency.</quote>As it says in the Article, some people won't testify and it turns the trial into a media circus for public opinion OJ Simpson would have been guilty if there were no cameras Thats the argument </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 6:41:21 AM #4:	who specifically isnt testifying? the defendants? <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957695602] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>who specifically isnt testifying? the defendants? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 6:46:42 AM #5:	Kloe_Rinz posted... who specifically isnt testifying? the defendants? Witnesses for the defendants claim the lawyers. Due to fear of harassment and backlash from the public. The prosecution are saying "Nuh-uh!" That's the debate --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957695662] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>who specifically isnt testifying? the defendants?</quote>Witnesses for the defendants claim the lawyers. Due to fear of harassment and backlash from the public. The prosecution are saying "Nuh-uh!" That's the debate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 8:36:03 AM #6:	Who are the witnesses? Other cops? <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957697084] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Who are the witnesses? Other cops? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_True_King 09/03/21 8:42:20 AM #7:	The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation. <cite>The_True_King posted [p:957697167] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 09/03/21 8:47:53 AM #8:	The_True_King posted... The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation. If this is true they are going with the whole guilt by association thing as people want heads to roll for this. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:957697244] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>The_True_King posted... </cite> <quote>The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation.</quote>If this is true they are going with the whole guilt by association thing as people want heads to roll for this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 8:52:13 AM #9:	The_True_King posted... The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation. "I was just following orders " is never a defense of action or inaction. Look at the My Lai massacre. Helicopter dude disobeyed orders because they were wrong. Rescued hundreds of people and was court martialed in disgrace for violating orders But he didn't give a fuck, he did the right thing. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957697312] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>The_True_King posted... </cite> <quote>The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation.</quote>"I was just following orders " is never a defense of action or inaction. Look at the My Lai massacre. Helicopter dude disobeyed orders because they were wrong. Rescued hundreds of people and was court martialed in disgrace for violating orders But he didn't give a fuck, he did the right thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 09/03/21 8:59:15 AM #10:	I hope Im never in a situation like that. Im a coward and have a hard time standing up to authority figures --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:957697437] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>I hope Im never in a situation like that. Im a coward and have a hard time standing up to authority figures </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 09/03/21 9:04:11 AM #11:	The_True_King posted... The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation. He should definitely be charged. The blue wall of silence needs to be shattered, cops need to police themselves and out the bad actors. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:957697525] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>The_True_King posted... </cite> <quote>The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation.</quote> He should definitely be charged. The blue wall of silence needs to be shattered, cops need to police themselves and out the bad actors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_True_King 09/03/21 9:30:00 AM #12:	Taharqa_ posted... He should definitely be charged. The blue wall of silence needs to be shattered, cops need to police themselves and out the bad actors. No he shouldn't. He didn't do fucking anything. You guys need to chill. You guys act tough but in the same breath you would've done what he did. Which again was keep the crowd back he never even touched George. It's a shitty situation for him I'm 100% on his side <cite>The_True_King posted [p:957698041] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>He should definitely be charged. The blue wall of silence needs to be shattered, cops need to police themselves and out the bad actors.</quote>No he shouldn't. He didn't do fucking anything. You guys need to chill. You guys act tough but in the same breath you would've done what he did. Which again was keep the crowd back he never even touched George. It's a shitty situation for him I'm 100% on his side </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_True_King 09/03/21 9:31:40 AM #13:	UnfairRepresent posted... "I was just following orders " is never a defense of action or inaction. Look at the My Lai massacre. Helicopter dude disobeyed orders because they were wrong. Rescued hundreds of people and was court martialed in disgrace for violating orders But he didn't give a fuck, he did the right thing. Following orders also shouldn't get you charged. Again did nothing wrong. The others sure you can toss something on them but this guy I feel is bullshit. <cite>The_True_King posted [p:957698080] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>"I was just following orders " is never a defense of action or inaction. Look at the My Lai massacre. Helicopter dude disobeyed orders because they were wrong. Rescued hundreds of people and was court martialed in disgrace for violating orders But he didn't give a fuck, he did the right thing.</quote>Following orders also shouldn't get you charged. Again did nothing wrong. The others sure you can toss something on them but this guy I feel is bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 09/03/21 9:51:43 AM #14:	The_True_King posted... No he shouldn't. He didn't do fucking anything. You guys need to chill. You guys act tough but in the same breath you would've done what he did. You don't know shit about what I would have done. If I see someone slowly choking the life out of a man that is subdued and begging for his life I would 100 percent intervene, but that's because I have a conscience and I'm not a pussy to keep quiet when something is wrong. I guess that would make me a bad cop Which again was keep the crowd back he never even touched George. It's a shitty situation for him I'm 100% on his side Cops like hm implicitly allow bad actors to continue to brutalized people unabated. If it weren't for that kid's video of the event, they all would have gotten off. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:957698517] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>The_True_King posted... </cite> <quote>No he shouldn't. He didn't do fucking anything. You guys need to chill. You guys act tough but in the same breath you would've done what he did. </quote> You don't know shit about what I would have done. If I see someone slowly choking the life out of a man that is subdued and begging for his life I would 100 percent intervene, but that's because I have a conscience and I'm not a pussy to keep quiet when something is wrong. I guess that would make me a bad cop <quote>Which again was keep the crowd back he never even touched George. It's a shitty situation for him I'm 100% on his side</quote> Cops like hm implicitly allow bad actors to continue to brutalized people unabated. If it weren't for that kid's video of the event, they all would have gotten off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwiggitySwoogit 09/03/21 9:54:50 AM #15:	Dawson and Downey were just following orders. Didn't turn out too good for them either. <cite>SwiggitySwoogit posted [p:957698579] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Dawson and Downey were just following orders. Didn't turn out too good for them either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 9:58:24 AM #16:	The_True_King posted... The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation. The new officers were Kueng and Lane, not Thao --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957698641] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>The_True_King posted... </cite> <quote>The Asian cop I believe it's Thao shouldn't be charged. Wasn't it like his first week and he just kept the crowd back. He was following a senior officer order and in my opinion was just tossed in a shitty situation.</quote> The new officers were Kueng and Lane, not Thao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 09/03/21 9:58:34 AM #17:	Taharqa_ posted... You don't know shit about what I would have done. If I see someone slowly choking the life out of a man that is subdued and begging for his life I would 100 percent intervene, but that's because I have a conscience and I'm not a pussy to keep quiet when something is wrong. I guess that would make me a bad cop lol, internet badass here. you'd have stood back and watched like everyone else because the alternative was being shot and thrown in jail for 'interfering with police activity'. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:957698643] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>You don't know shit about what I would have done. If I see someone slowly choking the life out of a man that is subdued and begging for his life I would 100 percent intervene, but that's because I have a conscience and I'm not a pussy to keep quiet when something is wrong. I guess that would make me a bad cop</quote>lol, internet badass here. you'd have stood back and watched like everyone else because the alternative was being shot and thrown in jail for 'interfering with police activity'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Father_ 09/03/21 9:58:54 AM #18:	From what I remember from the video footage of the asian cop holding the crowd back, he seemed across the street of the other officers and Floyd and it didn't seem like he was close enough to notice what was being done to Floyd. --- GO TO YOUR ROOM! <cite>Father_ posted [p:957698646] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>From what I remember from the video footage of the asian cop holding the crowd back, he seemed across the street of the other officers and Floyd and it didn't seem like he was close enough to notice what was being done to Floyd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 09/03/21 9:59:36 AM #19:	They are all guilty. They were intimidating the crowd to make them not save George <cite>Zikten posted [p:957698659] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>They are all guilty. They were intimidating the crowd to make them not save George</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 10:01:55 AM #20:	Father_ posted... From what I remember from the video footage of the asian cop holding the crowd back, he seemed across the street of the other officers and Floyd and it didn't seem like he was close enough to notice what was being done to Floyd. Thao was on the same side of the street a few yards away at the most. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957698701] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Father_ posted... </cite> <quote>From what I remember from the video footage of the asian cop holding the crowd back, he seemed across the street of the other officers and Floyd and it didn't seem like he was close enough to notice what was being done to Floyd.</quote> Thao was on the same side of the street a few yards away at the most. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 09/03/21 10:08:04 AM #21:	monkmith posted... lol, internet badass here. you'd have stood back and watched like everyone else because the alternative was being shot and thrown in jail for 'interfering with police activity'. Reading comprehension fail. I'm talking as if I were a cop watching my colleague in that situation. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:957698816] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>lol, internet badass here. you'd have stood back and watched like everyone else because the alternative was being shot and thrown in jail for 'interfering with police activity'.</quote> Reading comprehension fail. I'm talking as if I were a cop watching my colleague in that situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Father_ 09/03/21 10:10:45 AM #22:	CableZL posted... Thao was on the same side of the street a few yards away at the most. So he wasnt the one interviewing/Holding back the 1 dude and the lady Floyd was supposed to give a ride to? They looked like didnt have a clean angle of sight. --- GO TO YOUR ROOM! <cite>Father_ posted [p:957698875] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Thao was on the same side of the street a few yards away at the most.</quote>So he wasnt the one interviewing/Holding back the 1 dude and the lady Floyd was supposed to give a ride to? They looked like didnt have a clean angle of sight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CableZL 09/03/21 10:24:58 AM #24:	Father_ posted... So he wasnt the one interviewing/Holding back the 1 dude and the lady Floyd was supposed to give a ride to? They looked like didnt have a clean angle of sight. This was Officer Thao during the incident --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957699191] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Father_ posted... </cite> <quote>So he wasnt the one interviewing/Holding back the 1 dude and the lady Floyd was supposed to give a ride to? They looked like didnt have a clean angle of sight.</quote> This was Officer Thao during the incident </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 09/03/21 10:26:27 AM #25:	With the exception of perhaps minor crimes, like speeding ticket courts or whatever, all trials should be livestreamed, recorded, and hosted by some level of government. No exceptions. --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:957699225] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>With the exception of perhaps minor crimes, like speeding ticket courts or whatever, all trials should be livestreamed, recorded, and hosted by some level of government. No exceptions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 10:30:53 AM #26:	wackyteen posted... With the exception of perhaps minor crimes, like speeding ticket courts or whatever, all trials should be livestreamed, recorded, and hosted by some level of government. No exceptions. Not sure I agree it made sense during covid but the idea that public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing OJ Simpson was found not guilty because of public opinion instead of facts George Zimmerman would have been found guilty if public opinion held up in court instead of facts McDonalds coffee lady became a pariah because of public opinion instead of facts It's not like these trials are held in secret. The details are public But the prosecution openly saying "We want loud public opinion and harassment to influence the case " is concerning --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957699325] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>With the exception of perhaps minor crimes, like speeding ticket courts or whatever, all trials should be livestreamed, recorded, and hosted by some level of government. No exceptions.</quote>Not sure I agree it made sense during covid but the idea that public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing OJ Simpson was found not guilty because of public opinion instead of facts George Zimmerman would have been found guilty if public opinion held up in court instead of facts McDonalds coffee lady became a pariah because of public opinion instead of facts It's not like these trials are held in secret. The details are public But the prosecution openly saying "We want loud public opinion and harassment to influence the case " is concerning </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 09/03/21 10:32:58 AM #27:	Taharqa_ posted... Reading comprehension fail. I'm talking as if I were a cop watching my colleague in that situation. yes my internet badass friend, i'm sure the guys going through a power trip would have gotten their shit together and realized the error of their ways if you'd been there to step up and stop them! they definately wouldn't have shouted you down or had you handcuffed if you tried to stop them. now tell me you'd pull your gun on them to get them to stop, i'm sure that would have worked. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:957699364] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>Reading comprehension fail. I'm talking as if I were a cop watching my colleague in that situation.</quote>yes my internet badass friend, i'm sure the guys going through a power trip would have gotten their shit together and realized the error of their ways if you'd been there to step up and stop them! they definately wouldn't have shouted you down or had you handcuffed if you tried to stop them. now tell me you'd pull your gun on them to get them to stop, i'm sure that would have worked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 10:40:02 AM #28:	UnfairRepresent posted... the idea that public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing way to misrepresent the post and twist it to suit your agenda. A+ work there saw zimmerman as one of your examples and nearly spat out my drink <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957699511] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>the idea that public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing</quote>way to misrepresent the post and twist it to suit your agenda. A+ work there saw zimmerman as one of your examples and nearly spat out my drink </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 10:42:54 AM #29:	Case and point --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957699569] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Case and point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 09/03/21 10:46:28 AM #30:	monkmith posted... yes my internet badass friend, i'm sure the guys going through a power trip would have gotten their shit together and realized the error of their ways if you'd been there to step up and stop them! they definately wouldn't have shouted you down or had you handcuffed if you tried to stop them. now tell me you'd pull your gun on them to get them to stop, i'm sure that would have worked. Man shut up --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:957699646] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>yes my internet badass friend, i'm sure the guys going through a power trip would have gotten their shit together and realized the error of their ways if you'd been there to step up and stop them! they definately wouldn't have shouted you down or had you handcuffed if you tried to stop them. now tell me you'd pull your gun on them to get them to stop, i'm sure that would have worked.</quote> Man shut up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada 09/03/21 10:46:31 AM #31:	Kloe_Rinz posted... way to misrepresent the post and twist it to suit your agenda. A+ work there saw zimmerman as one of your examples and nearly spat out my drink UR has gone on post after post after post about how Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill that kid after stalking him at night. --- PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD <cite>Kastrada posted [p:957699647] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>way to misrepresent the post and twist it to suit your agenda. A+ work there saw zimmerman as one of your examples and nearly spat out my drink</quote> UR has gone on post after post after post about how Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill that kid after stalking him at night. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 10:47:31 AM #32:	Kastrada posted... UR has gone on post after post after post about how Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill that kid after stalking him at night. Its obvious what his agenda is <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957699665] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted... </cite> <quote>UR has gone on post after post after post about how Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill that kid after stalking him at night.</quote>Its obvious what his agenda is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 11:03:54 AM #33:	Kastrada posted... UR has gone on post after post after post about how Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill that kid after stalking him at night. The dishonest wording here says it all A stronger person attacking him in the street becomes "kid" Walking down a public street for about 15 seconds (less than the time Trayvon followed Zimmerman for the record) becomes "stalking at night " Self defense becomes "kill" and there not being any evidence he broke a law becomes "well within his rights to kill " I mean you couldn't have demonstrated the potential problem any clearer if you had tried You never followed the case, followed the trial or looked at the evidence. You skimmed 1 article and read a narrative you liked on Facebook and that's that I'll steal a quote from Men In Black "A person is smart and reasonable. People stupid, scared, irrational and you know it" Public opinion can be extremely emotional, ill informed and flat out wrong People love a good story over a boring and underwhelming reality The cops framed OJ because we all know they are racist. Is a hell of a lot more satisfying than your hero killing his ex wife and another man brutally with a knife and getting off because he is rich and famous. A dumb chick spilling coffee on herself while driving because she is stupid and suing McDonald's because it was hot is a funnier story than a stationary lady with a coffee ridiculously unsafely dangerously hot burning her vagina because the lid wasnt on correctly Calling for public opinion over facts negates why we even elected to have a court system instead of mob rule In the first place. I guess my concern is whether or not these 3 guys are guilty of abetting murder should come down to an unbiased court examining the facts Not what "the public opinion " dictates Honestly I was pretty neutral when the news broke but you fellas are selling me on Livestreaming being a bad idea (outside of covid risks) --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957700049] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted... </cite> <quote>UR has gone on post after post after post about how Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill that kid after stalking him at night.</quote>The dishonest wording here says it all A stronger person attacking him in the street becomes "kid" Walking down a public street for about 15 seconds (less than the time Trayvon followed Zimmerman for the record) becomes "stalking at night " Self defense becomes "kill" and there not being any evidence he broke a law becomes "well within his rights to kill " I mean you couldn't have demonstrated the potential problem any clearer if you had tried You never followed the case, followed the trial or looked at the evidence. You skimmed 1 article and read a narrative you liked on Facebook and that's that I'll steal a quote from Men In Black "A person is smart and reasonable. People stupid, scared, irrational and you know it" Public opinion can be extremely emotional, ill informed and flat out wrong People love a good story over a boring and underwhelming reality The cops framed OJ because we all know they are racist. Is a hell of a lot more satisfying than your hero killing his ex wife and another man brutally with a knife and getting off because he is rich and famous. A dumb chick spilling coffee on herself while driving because she is stupid and suing McDonald's because it was hot is a funnier story than a stationary lady with a coffee ridiculously unsafely dangerously hot burning her vagina because the lid wasnt on correctly Calling for public opinion over facts negates why we even elected to have a court system instead of mob rule In the first place. I guess my concern is whether or not these 3 guys are guilty of abetting murder should come down to an unbiased court examining the facts Not what "the public opinion " dictates Honestly I was pretty neutral when the news broke but you fellas are selling me on Livestreaming being a bad idea (outside of covid risks) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 09/03/21 11:03:56 AM #34:	Standing defensively to ensure that it happens. Fucking scumbag. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:957700051] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Standing defensively to ensure that it happens. Fucking scumbag. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 11:05:21 AM #35:	FortuneCookie posted... Standing defensively to ensure that it happens. Fucking scumbag. "but because public opinion, he's innocent!" - UR <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957700082] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>Standing defensively to ensure that it happens. Fucking scumbag.</quote>"but because public opinion, he's innocent!" - UR </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 11:07:39 AM #36:	Kloe_Rinz posted... "but because public opinion, he's innocent!" - UR That's another strawman Christ it's close to the opposite of what I said I said public opinion should have no effect on the verdict --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957700153] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>"but because public opinion, he's innocent!" - UR</quote>That's another strawman Christ it's close to the opposite of what I said I said public opinion should have no effect on the verdict </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 11:14:02 AM #37:	UnfairRepresent posted... That's another strawman Nope. Here, I'll show you an A+ strawman UnfairRepresent posted... The dishonest wording here says it all ... And another UnfairRepresent posted... public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing Those are some top quality strawmen right there. If only they weren't so obvious <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957700305] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>That's another strawman</quote>Nope. Here, I'll show you an A+ strawman UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The dishonest wording here says it all ...</quote> And another UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing</quote> Those are some top quality strawmen right there. If only they weren't so obvious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 11:16:11 AM #38:	Neither of those are strawmen --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957700358] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Neither of those are strawmen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/03/21 11:23:25 AM #39:	Like anyone would believe you. You're gonna have to defend yourself here since I aint giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your track record shows you are unlikely to though so I'm not holding my breath for you being genuine in this topic. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:957700504] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>Like anyone would believe you. You're gonna have to defend yourself here since I aint giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your track record shows you are unlikely to though so I'm not holding my breath for you being genuine in this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 11:38:47 AM #40:	UnfairRepresent posted... The cops framed OJ because we all know they are racist. Is a hell of a lot more satisfying than your hero killing his ex wife and another man brutally with a knife and getting off because he is rich and famous. In the OJ case, it wasn't alleged that all cops are racist. The defense brought recorded tapes in which Mark Fuhrman repeatedly used racist language, so let's not pretend racism wasn't a legitimate factor in why OJ was found not guilty. Fuhrman's credibility as a witness and investigator was shot to hell and back. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957700869] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The cops framed OJ because we all know they are racist. Is a hell of a lot more satisfying than your hero killing his ex wife and another man brutally with a knife and getting off because he is rich and famous.</quote> In the OJ case, it wasn't alleged that all cops are racist. The defense brought recorded tapes in which Mark Fuhrman repeatedly used racist language, so let's not pretend racism wasn't a legitimate factor in why OJ was found not guilty. Fuhrman's credibility as a witness and investigator was shot to hell and back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 11:45:03 AM #41:	CableZL posted... In the OJ case, it wasn't alleged that all cops are racist. The defense brought recorded tapes in which Mark Fuhrman repeatedly used racist language, so let's not pretend racism wasn't a legitimate factor in why OJ was found not guilty. Fuhrman's credibility as a witness and investigator was shot to hell and back. Fuhrman was racist and sexist and the LAPD still is too this day OJ got off because he was rich, famous and popular . Not because fuhrman was racist, hell a lot of people saw OJ getting off as revenge for the people who were wrongly convicted no other reason. The evidence was overwhelming . OJ murdered 2 people and the facts were indisputable. Public opinion did not give one shit what the facts were Same reason Trump is so popular. Religion too When facts suck, popular opinion frequently is to ignore them and just make something else up --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957701010] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>In the OJ case, it wasn't alleged that all cops are racist. The defense brought recorded tapes in which Mark Fuhrman repeatedly used racist language, so let's not pretend racism wasn't a legitimate factor in why OJ was found not guilty. Fuhrman's credibility as a witness and investigator was shot to hell and back.</quote>Fuhrman was racist and sexist and the LAPD still is too this day OJ got off because he was rich, famous and popular . Not because fuhrman was racist, hell a lot of people saw OJ getting off as revenge for the people who were wrongly convicted no other reason. The evidence was overwhelming . OJ murdered 2 people and the facts were indisputable. Public opinion did not give one shit what the facts were Same reason Trump is so popular. Religion too When facts suck, popular opinion frequently is to ignore them and just make something else up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 11:52:24 AM #42:	UnfairRepresent posted... Fuhrman was racist and sexist and the LAPD still is too this day OJ got off because he was rich, famous and popular . Not because fuhrman was racist, hell a lot of people saw OJ getting off as revenge for the people who were wrongly convicted no other reason. The evidence was overwhelming . OJ murdered 2 people and the facts were indisputable. Public opinion did not give one s* what the facts were Same reason Trump is so popular. Religion too When facts suck, popular opinion frequently is to ignore them and just make something else up Mark Fuhrman lying under oath was absolutely a contributing factor in OJ getting off. You can try to rewrite history all you want, but Fuhrman's credibility was indeed a factor. The defense had two witnesses specifically testify in order to corroborate Fuhrman's racism and create the plausibility that Fuhrman was trying to frame OJ. Not all of the facts in the case were indisputable. Again, Fuhrman lied about his hatred of black people, so he doesn't have much credibility as an investigator in this regard in the 1st place. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957701199] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Fuhrman was racist and sexist and the LAPD still is too this day OJ got off because he was rich, famous and popular . Not because fuhrman was racist, hell a lot of people saw OJ getting off as revenge for the people who were wrongly convicted no other reason. The evidence was overwhelming . OJ murdered 2 people and the facts were indisputable. Public opinion did not give one s* what the facts were Same reason Trump is so popular. Religion too When facts suck, popular opinion frequently is to ignore them and just make something else up</quote> Mark Fuhrman lying under oath was absolutely a contributing factor in OJ getting off. You can try to rewrite history all you want, but Fuhrman's credibility was indeed a factor. The defense had two witnesses specifically testify in order to corroborate Fuhrman's racism and create the plausibility that Fuhrman was trying to frame OJ. Not all of the facts in the case were indisputable. Again, Fuhrman lied about his hatred of black people, so he doesn't have much credibility as an investigator in this regard in the 1st place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 09/03/21 12:00:06 PM #43:	UnfairRepresent posted... Not sure I agree it made sense during covid but the idea that public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing People are going to come to their own conclusions pre-trial regardless. Having access to footage of the trial shouldn't really affect the trial --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:957701376] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Not sure I agree it made sense during covid but the idea that public opinion should determine verdicts and not facts is disturbing</quote>People are going to come to their own conclusions pre-trial regardless. Having access to footage of the trial shouldn't really affect the trial </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hummus93 09/03/21 12:00:19 PM #44:	i think every court trial should be publicly archived --- i wont be taking the vaccine until 20 years from now <cite>hummus93 posted [p:957701385] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>i think every court trial should be publicly archived </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 12:02:09 PM #45:	CableZL posted... Mark Fuhrman lying under oath was absolutely a contributing factor in OJ getting off. You can try to rewrite history all you want, but Fuhrman's credibility was indeed a factor. The defense had two witnesses specifically testify in order to corroborate Fuhrman's racism and create the plausibility that Fuhrman was trying to frame OJ. Not all of the facts in the case were indisputable. Again, Fuhrman lied about his hatred of black people, so he doesn't have much credibility as an investigator in this regard in the 1st place. Fuhrman wasn't the entire case and tons if most average people who loved OJ didn't and still don't know who he was Secondly "not all of the facts were indisputable " is weasel talk. Enough indisputable facts to prove beyond doubt he killed them were indisputable You're such a hypocrite accusing me if rewriting history and then turning around and implying there was no indisputable evidence that OJ did it and he got off because a cop was racist and not because he was a rich, famous beloved celebrity Hell your point is instantly defeated by the fact he was so beloved that they filmed the damn thing and Cochrane used the racism argument to rule up the general population in the first place because he knew tens of millions of people were watching on TV , leading to the very discussion we're having right now in the first place. Pretending OJ didn't get off due to public opinion Is comically ridiculous --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957701428] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Mark Fuhrman lying under oath was absolutely a contributing factor in OJ getting off. You can try to rewrite history all you want, but Fuhrman's credibility was indeed a factor. The defense had two witnesses specifically testify in order to corroborate Fuhrman's racism and create the plausibility that Fuhrman was trying to frame OJ. Not all of the facts in the case were indisputable. Again, Fuhrman lied about his hatred of black people, so he doesn't have much credibility as an investigator in this regard in the 1st place.</quote> Fuhrman wasn't the entire case and tons if most average people who loved OJ didn't and still don't know who he was Secondly "not all of the facts were indisputable " is weasel talk. Enough indisputable facts to prove beyond doubt he killed them were indisputable You're such a hypocrite accusing me if rewriting history and then turning around and implying there was no indisputable evidence that OJ did it and he got off because a cop was racist and not because he was a rich, famous beloved celebrity Hell your point is instantly defeated by the fact he was so beloved that they filmed the damn thing and Cochrane used the racism argument to rule up the general population in the first place because he knew tens of millions of people were watching on TV , leading to the very discussion we're having right now in the first place. Pretending OJ didn't get off due to public opinion Is comically ridiculous </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 12:18:10 PM #46:	UnfairRepresent posted... Fuhrman wasn't the entire case and tons if most average people who loved OJ didn't and still don't know who he was I never said Fuhrman was the entire case. He was, however, a key witness for the prosecution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman *The credibility of the prosecution has been cited as one reason Simpson was acquitted.*[3] The defense claimed that Fuhrman planted key evidence as part of a racially motivated plot against Simpson. When asked under oath (with the jury not present), Fuhrman declined to answer all questions, invoking his Fifth Amendment right. These questions included whether he planted or manufactured evidence. UnfairRepresent posted... Secondly "not all of the facts were indisputable " is weasel talk. No, it isn't, because the fact of the matter is that not all of the facts were indisputable. Whether you want to argue that OJ's struggle with putting on the glove was legitimate or not, it still raised a question about whether the glove was his or not. UnfairRepresent posted... You're such a hypocrite accusing me if rewriting history and then turning around and implying there was no indisputable evidence that OJ did it and he got off because a cop was racist and not because he was a rich, famous beloved celebrity You seem to have poor reading comprehension. I never said there was no indisputable evidence. You claimed: UnfairRepresent posted... The evidence was overwhelming . OJ murdered 2 people and the facts were indisputable. To which I responded: CableZL posted... Not all of the facts in the case were indisputable. And then you're now turning around in the same topic where these things were said and trying to claim that I said there was no indisputable evidence. I also never claimed Mark Fuhrman's lack of credibility was the entire reason OJ got off. I said it was absolutely a contributing factor. Because it was. Either read correctly or stop commenting. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957701829] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Fuhrman wasn't the entire case and tons if most average people who loved OJ didn't and still don't know who he was</quote> I never said Fuhrman was the entire case. He was, however, a key witness for the prosecution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman The credibility of the prosecution has been cited as one reason Simpson was acquitted.[3] The defense claimed that Fuhrman planted key evidence as part of a racially motivated plot against Simpson. When asked under oath (with the jury not present), Fuhrman declined to answer all questions, invoking his Fifth Amendment right. These questions included whether he planted or manufactured evidence. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Secondly "not all of the facts were indisputable " is weasel talk.</quote> No, it isn't, because the fact of the matter is that not all of the facts were indisputable. Whether you want to argue that OJ's struggle with putting on the glove was legitimate or not, it still raised a question about whether the glove was his or not. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You're such a hypocrite accusing me if rewriting history and then turning around and implying there was no indisputable evidence that OJ did it and he got off because a cop was racist and not because he was a rich, famous beloved celebrity</quote> You seem to have poor reading comprehension. I never said there was no indisputable evidence. You claimed: UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The evidence was overwhelming . OJ murdered 2 people and the facts were indisputable.</quote> To which I responded: CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Not all of the facts in the case were indisputable.</quote> And then you're now turning around in the same topic where these things were said and trying to claim that I said there was no indisputable evidence. I also never claimed Mark Fuhrman's lack of credibility was the entire reason OJ got off. I said it was absolutely a contributing factor. Because it was. Either read correctly or stop commenting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/03/21 12:21:26 PM #47:	CableZL posted... and implying there was no indisputable evidence You seem to have poor reading comprehension. I never said there was no indisputable evidence. You're such a massive massive hypocrite CableZL posted... And then you're now turning around in the same topic where these things were said and trying to claim that I said there was no indisputable evidence. Either read correctly or stop commenting. Take your own advice If your next post isn't an apology and a flat out admission that OJ got off due to public opinion I'm not responding to anything you say anymore because there is 0 reason to talk to you. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:957701907] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>and implying there was no indisputable evidence You seem to have poor reading comprehension. I never said there was no indisputable evidence.</quote> You're such a massive massive hypocrite CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>And then you're now turning around in the same topic where these things were said and trying to claim that I said there was no indisputable evidence. Either read correctly or stop commenting.</quote> Take your own advice If your next post isn't an apology and a flat out admission that OJ got off due to public opinion I'm not responding to anything you say anymore because there is 0 reason to talk to you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 12:23:14 PM #48:	LOL UnfairRepresent posted... implying there was no indisputable evidence Please show me where I implied there was no indisputable evidence. UnfairRepresent posted... Fuhrman wasn't the entire case And show me where I said Fuhrman was the entire case. You've repeated your own bullshit so often that you've convinced yourself and it doesn't matter what other people say. You just make up your own claims and act as if that's what happened, even with things that were said in the same thread. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957701965] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>LOL UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>implying there was no indisputable evidence</quote> Please show me where I implied there was no indisputable evidence. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Fuhrman wasn't the entire case</quote> And show me where I said Fuhrman was the entire case. You've repeated your own bullshit so often that you've convinced yourself and it doesn't matter what other people say. You just make up your own claims and act as if that's what happened, even with things that were said in the same thread. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoggyBottomBoy 09/03/21 12:24:12 PM #49:	I cant even look at the guy on the left without feeling untethered rage. --- Fingah POP'n each otha's <cite>SoggyBottomBoy posted [p:957701990] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>I cant even look at the guy on the left without feeling untethered rage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/03/21 12:25:30 PM #50:	I guess I shouldn't be surprised that UnfairRepresent unfairly represents things. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957702030] in Cops who a... [t:79644074]...</cite> <quote>I guess I shouldn't be surprised that UnfairRepresent unfairly represents things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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