Current Events > Abused girl's father kills pedophile friend

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Dude named Bobby is telling people to fuck themselves when they support the dude killing someone who raped his daughter on video.

Ill take the mod, you a bitch tbh. @bobbaaay

Easy to tell Either A. A person has no empathy towards humans and try to be morally correct and B. You clearly get zero pussy.

Fuck out this topic

LinkDaLunatic posted...

someone sure is super defensive rn... hmmmmm wonder why

really makes u think

LinkDaLunatic posted...

someone sure is super defensive rn... hmmmmm wonder why

You're really fucking stupid with what you're insinuating.
I already stated I'm against vigilantism in all instances. I've publicly expressed that opinion on tons of different cases/instances on this board that aren't just limited to this topic. But okay - go on.

bobbaaay posted...

That's not a valid conclusion whatsoever. I'm against vigilantism in all circumstances. It has nothing to do with either party in this instance or any other instance.

Bro this guy raped his daughter and he got to see a video of it on his phone.
Think on that for a moment.
Someone who he considered a friend raped his goddamned daughter and he her father got to see it.
This is not the thread to be pulling the law is the law bullshit.
You can see that right?

Reis posted...

really makes u think

Makes you think what?
Are you fucking clueless? You've been on this board long enough to know I've been very vocally against vigilantism on this board for over a fucking decade and have expressed that opinion in many, many, many different instances.
Grow the fuck up

Bobby isn't a pedophile defender, don't go down that route lol

He just acts like a child and throws unhinged tantrums, especially over the words "Peak CEman". And by the looks of how he can't contain his emotions he'll be suspended soon
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Damar posted...

Bro this guy raped his daughter and he got to see a video of it on his phone.
Think on that for a moment.
Someone who he considered a friend raped his goddamned daughter and he her father got to see it.
This is not the thread to be pulling the law is the law bullshit.
You can see that right?

That's fine. He can kill the person. I don't care. That doesn't mean it's suddenly not a crime.

bobbaaay posted...

That's fine. He can kill the person. I don't care. That doesn't mean it's suddenly not a crime.

Then why the fuck did you come in here guns blazing at the rest of us.
As if we're the sick ones instead of the guy who raped children.
You can see how that looks right?

Damar posted...

Then why the fuck did you come in here guns blazing at the rest of us.
As if we're the sick ones instead of the guy who raped children.
You can see how that looks right?

careful he's going to call you stupid and tell you to sodomize yourself

Guys, you don't need to keep one upping each other with peak CEmen comments. We're well past it from all sides at this point.

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I could find something someone does so morally reprehensible that I would want to kill them, and if I did kill them I wouldn't pretend that I'm above punishment just because the other person did something just as bad or worse.

LinkDaLunatic posted...

careful he's going to call you stupid and tell you to sodomize yourself

Well I only do that on Tuesdays and Thursdays so he's shit out of luck

Funkydog posted...

Guys, you don't need to keep one upping each other with peak CEmen comments. We're well past it from all sides at this point.

I'm just saying it because he gets so stupidly angry about being called that for no good reason
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I mean excuse me for going on a douchey tangent, but people contain multitudes. Like I don't support the death penalty most of the time, because I don't think the state is a responsible enough institution to determine who should live and who dies. Racial bias can play into who's selected for death row and who isn't, much like racial bias plays into the prosecution of other crimes.

And yet I'm glad that Dylan Roof is on death row. I think the world would be better off without him. That's one person I think we could all easily do without.

That doesn't change that I think the state isn't responsible enough to decide who should die. I do think, however, that Dylan Roof is one of the people who deserves it.

So let's look at this case. A man murdered a pedophile who raped his daughter.

We can sit here and shriek and wail about the legality of it all, "it's the law, it's the law!" - and I acknowledge that this guy is almost certainly gonna go to jail. Like that's just a neutral fact of the matter.

But again - a dead pedophile is a dead pedophile, regardless of how it happened. This man killed a guy for raping his daughter, and frankly I sympathize with the murderer. Fuck pedophiles. Fuck child rapists, which the dead guy objectively was.

Call me a hypocrite, roast me for my lack of consistency and conviction, but I don't really feel a need to fit whatever fucking standards you have in this situation. I'm glad a pedophile is dead. I'm glad a mass murderer is getting the chair. If you want to turn that into an indictment of someone's moral character, that's your prerogative - but understand that you're not preaching to the choir here, and by bending over backwards to go "law! civility! consequences!", it does look like you have a hard-on for this pedophile fuck.

Like congratulations, you took the moral high ground because you're anti-murder. That doesn't change the fact that the murdered man was a child rapist, and regardless of any legality of the situation, people are going to be relieved that this sick child-raping fuck is dead.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

I'm just saying it because he gets so stupidly angry about being called that for no good reason

Oh, I didn't mean to stop saying that phrase, but rather both sides were doing the thing you described imo.

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There are definitely very rare times where the law fails and people have to put the law into their own hands.

Examples: https://nypost.com/2021/01/16/mexicos-female-vigilantes-take-lead-in-fighting-drug-cartels/,
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/2/5/6/AAR_dFAABVRI.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
https://medium.com/@michaelmoran/the-creepiest-small-town-in-america-skidmore-missouri-deb4d0cc1c22

McElroy ... met his last wife, Trena McCloud (19572012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade. He statutorily raped McCloud repeatedly, also burning her house down and shooting the family dog before her parents relented and agreed to their marriage. She became pregnant when she was fourteen, dropped out of school in the ninth grade, and went to live with McElroy and his third wife Alice. McElroy divorced Alice and married Trena in order to escape charges of statutory rape, to which she was the only witness. Sixteen days after Trena gave birth, both she and Alice fled to Trena's mother's and stepfather's house. According to court records, McElroy tracked them down and brought them back. He then returned to Trena's parents' home when they were away and, once again, shot the family dog and burned the house down.
In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last.In 1981, McElroy was convicted of shooting and seriously injuring the town's 70-year-old grocer, Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp.] McElroy successfully appealed the conviction and was released on bond, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister

In the 60s and 70s, Ken McElroy was Skidmores boogyman. He was beyond a bully, more of a self-imposed dictator who ran the town of Skidmore like his personal kingdom, literally raping and pillaging for 2 decades.
He held a legal stronghold over anyone who dared to press charges with the aid of his mob-connected lawyer, and intense harrasment campaigns, that included stalking, shootings, killing of pets, and arson. Even the police feared him.
When, after years of abuse a mob of local citizens surrounded McElroy in the center of town and fired a few fatal shots into the white trash terrorist, not one of the more than 50 witnesses would say say who pulled the trigger. To this day, every last citizen has refused to speak, and no one was ever arrested in the vigilante slaying.

I'm not going to say I know the whole story but the article states that the guy has been caught for it before and given a slap on the wrists because the law there doesn't have harsh consequences for it.
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Fair, next.

He's probably going to get some sort of "tut tut" punishment anyway because they have to set some sort of anti-vigilantism example, but I'm not going to weep for a child predator who seems certainly guilty.

People can say "he should have called the police" instead all they want. Ultimately though, I don't feel like the people who say this are really bothering to look into, or understand, why people might not go with the police-calling route.

GiftedACIII posted...

There are definitely very rare times where the law fails and people have to put the law into their own hands.

Examples: https://nypost.com/2021/01/16/mexicos-female-vigilantes-take-lead-in-fighting-drug-cartels/,
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/2/5/6/AAR_dFAABVRI.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
https://medium.com/@michaelmoran/the-creepiest-small-town-in-america-skidmore-missouri-deb4d0cc1c22

I'm not going to say I know the whole story but the article states that the guy has been caught for it before and given a slap on the wrists because the law there doesn't have harsh consequences for it.

That story is fucking wild.
I recommend this book that gives you the entire sordid picture.
My takeaway from it was why didn't they kill the son of a bitch sooner.

Im glad we could all come together to discuss this issue and have a very meaningful conversation. Another great topic on CE

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Holy shit this thread is wild


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lmao, CE seriously never changes. Its a thing of insane beauty.

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he should have just killed him in their first altercation.

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Good. I'm glad. Hopefully the parent gets off scot-free. There have been a few cases in America where they have. Leon Gary Plauch for example, straight hero as far as I'm concerned.

Fuck him. He deserved it. I fully support this. Another piece of shit got what he deserved. I hope Hell exists just so he can be put through it.
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Spent a lovely day meeting my girlfriend's family.

So nice to come home to find CE still on their murderboners.

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Anyone calling this a "murder" needs a reality check. It's not a murder. It's essentially self defense of your family. If a bear attacks you have the inalienable right to defend them with any amount of force that is sufficient. Technically, this is not exactly the same situation, but it's more than enough to warrant extreme measures. Calling the guy guilty of murder is excusing what the rapist did and is a complete disrespect for the man's rights. Why? Because if the criminal wasn't a total POS and left the girl alone and had been a normal, good person he would still be alive and well His death is the result of his own, evil actions. Period.

As far as the taking justice into your own hands argument; I understand where you guys are coming from. I really do. People theoretically abusing this power could lead to a scary world. It is still however a perfect example of why any man-made law cannot be absolute and must be subject to interpretation, especially in extremely unusual cases like this. Exceptions have to exist. This man by no means deserves to be punished as a murderer.

Here's a pretty easy solution: If you take justice into your own hands, you had better damn well make sure there's sufficient proof to justify your actions. If not, you will face full legal penalty and more. Pretty fair right?

I'd also like to add; no, "legal murder" is not a fantasy for any sane person. Assuming this dude was a normal good guy, killing this man will have mentally traumatized him, possibly for life. Even if self defense (or worse, as in this case) it's still a horrific feeling having to over-ride our brain's wiring and kill one of our own species. No matter how angry you are or justified your actions are, having to kill your own will hit you emotionally, HARD. Anyone with an ounce of understanding psychology knows this.

Very sad situation. But justice was done and the dude is essentially a hero, because it's highly likely his actions benefited society as a whole. At the end of the day that's all that matters.

CyricZ posted...

Spent a lovely day meeting my girlfriend's family.

So nice to come home to find CE still on their murderboners.

Hey Cyric, you never did explain why you were so in favor of jury nullification but itt have melted down and accused people of having murder fantasies because they didn't think the father did anything wrong.

Also,

The hill you're choosing to die on to defend a take you have never ever taken in your entire life in regards to anything else on this site is quite the hill.

Especially when said person has fought tooth and nail to defend takes where "don't go to the cops" or "law is unjustified" in like, every fucking argument ever.

^ Cyric are you 5 years old? Murderboner? Wow dude. Read my post until logic sinks in. No offense.

CyricZ posted...

Spent a lovely day meeting my girlfriend's family.

So nice to come home to find CE still on their murderboners.

Christ man what's wrong with you?

Demon1050 posted...

Cyric are you 5 years old?

He wishes he was

Nestor, sweetie, are you suggesting there should be an argument for justified murder? Are you suggesting "murder" is an unjust law that jury nullification is meant to save a murderer from?

Remember that this father did not catch the perpetrator in the act with his daughter. He called him out to the woods and then killed him. Maybe you didn't pick up on that, and in that case, please make sure you get the full story.

If you are okay with calling someone out to the woods and killing them there for a crime they previously committed, then that's something we will know of you now.

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Demon1050 posted...

Technically, this is not exactly the same situation

And your argument completely falls apart right here, because it's not the same as a bear attacking your family in the act.

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CyricZ: "I agree with jury nullification"
Also CyricZ: "The father who killed his daughter's rapist was enacting a murder fantasy"

Nestor_Cortes posted...

CyricZ: "I agree with jury nullification"
Also CyricZ: "The father who killed his daughter's rapist was enacting a murder fantasy"

It's so weird how you think me believing in jury nullification means that I would also allow murderers to get away with it.

And no, the father killing his daughter's rapist was not acting out a murder fantasy. You've completely lost the point I made in my first post in the topic. I understand, it was hours ago, and attention spans on CE are woefully short.

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See, there you go contradicting yourself.

Jury nullification would be if someone killed someone and was charged with murder, and the jury acquitted because they believe the murder was justified. You have gone on record to agree with this philosophy.

But in this instance, you have labelled the father a murderer for killing the pedophile who raped his daughter. You have already labelled him guilty. What changed?

EricDraven59 posted...

I pray he gets indicted on murder. I'm not sticking up for pedophiles but no one is allowed to take the law into their own hands and murder a person just because you don't like something they did wrong. If everyone was able to get away with murder just because they didn't like what a person did then there isn't much true justice for such crime. So yes he deserves to be indicted for murder and I'll pray on it he gets harsh justice just as he dealt out :)

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Nestor_Cortes posted...

See, there you go contradicting yourself.

Jury nullification would be if someone killed someone and was charged with murder, and the jury acquitted because they believe the murder was justified. You have gone on record to agree with this philosophy.

But in this instance, you have labelled the father a murderer for killing the pedophile who raped his daughter. You have already labelled him guilty. What changed?

So because I believe in jury nullification as a concept, you think that means I would never find anyone guilty ever were I in jury duty? That's so childish.

There are proper applications of jury nullification, and for that I would have to believe the murder law itself was unjust, or that he was being improperly charged.

And I don't.

Given the facts of the case as I know it, I condemn him.

Can't believe I'm getting the third degree from someone admitting in that jury nullification topic that he'd use it to get out of jury duty. Like why lecture me on due process if you refuse to participate in it?

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COVxy posted...

He says, after having aired his power nerd fantasy out in this topic. Lmao.

You pick the strangest hills to die on, especially here lately

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I would say yes. Though our laws say otherwise.

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CyricZ posted...

Spent a lovely day meeting my girlfriend's family.

So nice to come home to find CE still on their murderboners.

Is she actually your girlfriend or is she just a platonic friend you think is your girlfriend
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Gwynevere posted...

You pick the strangest hills to die on, especially here lately

I'm against the death penalty, and vengeance based criminal justice. What weird hill is this that I'm dying on?

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You can't even say Zodd has a "power nerd" fantasy lmao the dude is actually a parent and putting himself in this guy's shoes. That's not fantasizing about murder, it's looking at things from a different perspective

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with this guy's actions and firmly believing that it should be left up to the law, but telling a parent that they'd be a monster for being angry in this same position just makes you look unintelligent
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One_Day_Remains posted...

telling a parent that they'd be a monster for being angry in this same position

I'm pretty sure you know that no one is arguing this.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

I'm against the death penalty, and vengeance based criminal justice. What weird hill is this that I'm dying on?

That's a perfectly logical position to take, but pretending people that disagree with you are just nerds having a power fantasy is the same shit that got Cyric blasted ITT. It's disingenuous as fuck

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Gwynevere posted...

That's a perfectly logical position to take, but pretending people that disagree with you are just nerds having a power fantasy is the same shit that got Cyric blasted ITT. It's disingenuous as fuck

Dude was literally fantasizing:
Zodd3224 posted...

My only complaint is that he killed him too quickly. The pedo deserved a Hostel movie style death tied to a chair and prolonged agony.

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Post #20 is demonstrably proven.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Dude was literally fantasizing:

I imagine your first thought to watching a video of someone raping the children you will never have would be "oh my gosh, this is terrible. I better go call the police and let them handle this."

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@bobbaaay is going full Peak CEman in this topic

CyricZ posted...

Spent a lovely day meeting my girlfriend's family.

So nice to come home to find CE still on their murderboners.

I'm curious, Cyric. Why do you feel this way?

Why do you feel this isn't okay? Do you actually believe people like this should get away with what they did, with only a few years served? There are cases(I can pull up some if you want) where people like this get just a few years served, and get let off free.

Do you think that is the right course of action?
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