Current Events > "Scientists think Covid may never be eradicated, poll finds"

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your point is why does anything matter since we'll still have to wear masks and social distance for the rest of our lives. i'm just saying that's not the case, there's going to be a time where we'll ditch the masks, stop social distancing, stop the lockdowns because covid is basically going to be a non factor due to vaccines and natural infection.

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Yeah, it was never going to be. Just a matter of lasting it out until it decides it doesn't want to kill everyone. Vaccine to hold out until proper treatment so people don't end up in the ICU all the time, or until the virus decides the best way to live it to not kill everyone and becomes less severe. Then regular vaccination to keep it down. Best we'll accomplish prob.

Those of us who have actually done research have known this since day one.

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inTaCtfuL posted...

your point is why does anything matter since we'll still have to wear masks and social distance for the rest of our lives. i'm just saying that's not the case, there's going to be a time where we'll ditch the masks, stop social distancing, stop the lockdowns because covid is basically going to be a non factor due to vaccines and natural infection.

No my point is asking when will that be and why are we not already preparing for that we should be calling this in classifying this as a code red and them if this isn't just some bullshit hand in it like everybody is claiming it's way more serious than that it's an entirely different word with a different definition it almost is like the media is misleading us

Lathissamus posted...

Those of us who have actually done research have known this since day one.

Post a link to where you proclaimed and knowing that Covid was an endemic on day one

People have been expecting this since very early on. I never heard anyone seriously suggest it could be eradicated.

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We really shouldnt be listening to the idiots who said it was just a flu and then it would go away by easter then summer then it was a hoax then get vaccinated then dont get vaccinated then they get vaccinated then they tell you not to get vaccinated then they say get vaccinated

ya know, just feels kind of stupid is all

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TC, through your words and tone, I feel like you're confused on the term "endemic" it simply means a given disease is just commonly found in a region, not that it's going to result in the end of the world lol.

Like the annual flu, chicken pox, common cold are endemic to the US

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Where did I say that this would cause the end of the world..

TC is a new user, probably someones alt, this topic has gone on way too long

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

TC is a new user, probably someones alt, this topic has gone on way too long

... Shut up.

orangefire25 posted...

TC, through your words and tone, I feel like you're confused on the term "endemic" it simply means a given disease is just commonly found in a region, not that it's going to result in the end of the world lol.

Like the annual flu, chicken pox, common cold are endemic to the US

Didn't say it would cause the end if the world

GregShmedley posted...

I don't think most people who have been saying that we'll "just have to live with it" truly appreciate what this could mean. I've heard it said so many times in such a nonchalant way and it is soooo much worse than that.

Unless we can keep up with vaccines as far as the variants to and eventually have a treatment akin to how Tamiflu is used to treat the flu, "living with this" means eventual collapsing of societies. Just because it isn't killing people off like the Black Death doesn't mean it can't completely disrupt our ways of life entirely.

SARS literally mutated itself to death. Delta is bad, but that doesn't mean COVID will keep mutating into more powerful forms until it kills us all. The vaccines are still largely effective against Delta, and we'll develop a natural immunity over time as well.

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GregShmedley posted...

I'm not sure you fully understood my post. I never said anything about it killing us all. I specifically mentioned that it doesn't matter that it isn't killing us all. Collapsing of societies/countries =/= everyone eventually dying out (at least from the virus).

It's the economies. The health care systems. The social order. The food supplies. The gas supplies. We literally will not be able to sustain as a country if we continue like this for multiple years unless mutations begin to work in our favor, vaccines are kept up to speed, and we have a treatment for post-infection.

which is what we're trying to do...? what is your point? we know this, and are working on it.

The data up to 8/29 shows that the Mu variant is still being crowded out by the Delta variant. So hopefully that trend continues and the Mu variant won't become a new dominant strain.

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GregShmedley posted...

Definitely great news. Where are you getting this data? Definitely want to keep an eye on it myself.

Nextstrain.org is where they track all of the identified covid-19 variants. There have been over 2000 variants so far. Delta is the current dominant strain globally. In South America, it's a mix of Delta and Gamma, and Mu is getting crowded out by those two. In North America, Delta is the only dominant strain.


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Delta got as big as it is by being faster than the existing strains, so I guess Mu is slower if it has a hard time competing with Delta?


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Mu?

GregShmedley posted...

Yeah...no shit? Do you not understand that little tidbit was part of overall commentary about what "living with it" means and what's at stake if we don't successfully complete those tasks?

yes. people know that. that's what living with it means. who are you arguing with? is anyone saying we don't need to do anything, and it will just go away? where are these people you are trying to convince

CableZL posted...

Nextstrain.org

Based on https://nextstrain.org/ncov/open/global, am I reading it right that the original COVID strain is dead? And Delta is 98% of all COVID infections currently?



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TreyFlowers posted...

am I reading it right that the original COVID strain is dead?

Not dead, evolved.

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Jesus...

Great

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This virus, or a descendant thereof, is going to be endemic. That doesn't mean it's always going to be the super-serious illness it is today, as the population in general builds up more immunity to it. Just look at HCoV-OC43.

And getting vaccinated will help us get there quicker.

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By the way, in February, Nature released results of a survey asking about if it would become endemic and the majority of respondents thought it would be. So this really isnt anything new.

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TreyFlowers posted...

Based on https://nextstrain.org/ncov/open/global, am I reading it right that the original COVID strain is dead? And Delta is 98% of all COVID infections currently?

Yes, at least as of 8/29 when the chart ends. I'm not sure how often it updates. I found out about this site because the company I work for is also in the healthcare industry and we have all-hands calls where some of our leads in those departments talk about covid and other health issues here and there.

And the original strain isn't dead. It's just a very small percentage of infections right now because the Delta variant is crowding all of the others out at the moment.

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We already knew that.

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We?

a poll?

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Stroking posted...

... I think Walmart is doing just fine without you bud

??? Walmart shrunk there hours...