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https://youtu.be/gxIEt3KEohk

Artists like this are an example of the Innovation and progression that hip hop has taken and continues to take their expanding and incorporating so many different aspects into the genre to create beautiful music such as posted about what is Rob doing on the other hand to stay relevant they haven't even try to update that sound at this rate then going to be an antique genre.

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lol you have erect in your name

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I read the title and nearly had a heart attack. I thought The Rock had died.

viewmaster_pi posted...

lol you have erect in your name

XFD

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viewmaster_pi posted...

lol you have erect in your name

You have ass and pie in yours..

viewmaster_pi posted...

lol you have erect in your name

Lollll.

God I love when a TC tries to make a really dumb point and post #2 completely diverts the entire thread lol.

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Erectum posted...

You have ass and pie in yours..

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Erectum posted...

You have ass and pie in yours..

Not really. Theres only 1 S and no e in Pie.
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viewmaster_pi posted...

lol you have erect in your name

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hey guys who are you gonna vote for in the next erectum hahaha

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Erectum posted...

You have ass and pie in yours..

Mr. Erect in name shouldn't be criticizing other names especially when he simultaneously has rectum in his name.

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Biggus Erectus Dickus Rectumus

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Rectus
Dominus
Cheesy Poofs

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Cool music vid

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for twelve for twEeeEEEeEEeeEEElve (autotune intensifies)

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An erection into the rectum = erectum.
If it then splooges = erectumcum.

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Thompson posted...

An erection into the rectum = erectum.
If it then splooges = erectumcum.

Till kingdom erectumcum

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Thompson posted...

An erection into the rectum = erectum.
If it then splooges = erectumcum.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Lmfao

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viewmaster_pi posted...

that was good lmao

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viewmaster_pi posted...

Those eyes lmao

They kind of make me uncomfortable

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My god this might be my favorite thread on this stupid website in a while

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viewmaster_pi posted...

lol you have erect in your name

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Weve had this flopic before.

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spikethedevil posted...

Weve had this flopic before.

Link?

Lil E the Rectum God

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Erectum posted...

Link?

Has long long since purged.

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spikethedevil posted...

Erectum posted...

Link?

Has long long since purged.

Cho ass up then

I liked his album, Drug Dealing is a Lost Art, or something like that

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Don't mind me, just here for the shit show xD

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I mean sure, but there are still rock groups and groups who do their own take on rock. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard still make rock songs, even if each new album is a total spin of the roulette table. Another Australian band, The Bennies, do great party rock songs about getting fucked up:

https://youtu.be/K2AEykBXf6w

Rock still exists, it just takes an artist wanting to take it as far as they can. Most artists either don't want to, or they can't - even bands like Iron Maiden are slowing down with age, apparently their latest album was pretty lackluster.

Rock is alive in the hearts of musicians who want to perform it and do it justice. The problem is that rock hasn't moved forwards in decades. Screamo and pop punk took a couple notes out of the rock playbook, but they were ultimately gimmicks which have faded away with the times they ruled in. Classic rock worship from the mid-00's has kinda leaked into what we perceive as rock nowadays, with a lot of throwbacks just being part and parcel of the genre today - to a lot of people, rock is a pastiche, something to try on to ask their audience "hey, remember this cool shit?"

But for every band that plays a highly referential style of rock, there's a Bennies or a King Gizzard waiting in the wings with their take on the music. You just have to find it.

All that "rock is dead" means is that rock isn't the dominant musical genre any more. There's still plenty of artists, there's still plenty of music. You just need to find it.

And I mean "rock is dead" is another melodramatic rallying cry of a fanbase with a chronic persecution complex. First, disco was the death of good music. Then hair metal ruined rock and metal. Then pop punk ruined rock, then screamo. Rock has been killed 5 or 6 times by genres both within its scope and outside of it. If it's that susceptible to dying, maybe it was a weak-ass genre to begin with.

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g0ldie posted...

I liked his album, Drug Dealing is a Lost Art, or something like that

Pretty much every song on that is great and unique

MrMallard posted...

The problem is that rock hasn't moved forwards in decades. Screamo and pop punk took a couple notes out of the rock playbook, but they were ultimately gimmicks which have faded away with the times they ruled in. Classic rock worship from the mid-00's has kinda leaked into what we perceive as rock nowadays, with a lot of throwbacks just being part and parcel of the genre today - to a lot of people, rock is a pastiche, something to try on to ask their audience "hey, remember this cool shit?"

What are you talking about dude. How is screamo (super vague sub-genre label btw) and pop punk considered gimmicks? That would be similar to saying prog-rock is gimmicky because its not hip or trendy anymore.

A lot of bands have actually pushed rock music forward into new territories in the last decade. I.e. Queens of the Stone Age (on their last album), Tame Impala, Foals, Mutemath, Everything Everything, White Lung, HEALTH, and so on.

heres a couple songs

https://youtu.be/SiXMm9gZl5s

https://youtu.be/4TUvMf_WkFs


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"rock is dead" he cries in agony as a rock band wins Eurovision

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Tyranthraxus posted...

"rock is dead" he cries in agony as a rock band wins Eurovision

Nobody cares about eurovision outside europe.

And before you say America isnt the world when I traveled to east asia the top 40 songs there were popular. No rock music.

The only people who care about eurovision are greying Europeans

Erectum posted...

Pretty much every song on that is great and unique

yessir

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clyde_frog posted...

What are you talking about dude. How is screamo (super vague sub-genre label btw) and pop punk considered gimmicks? That would be similar to saying prog-rock is gimmicky because its not hip or trendy anymore.

A lot of bands have actually pushed rock music forward into new territories in the last decade. I.e. Queens of the Stone Age (on their last album), Tame Impala, Foals, Mutemath, Everything Everything, White Lung, HEALTH, and so on.

heres a couple songs

https://youtu.be/SiXMm9gZl5s

https://youtu.be/4TUvMf_WkFs

What I mean by screamo and pop punk being gimmicks is that they had a short heyday in the mid/late 2000's, winding down around the early 2010's, to great acclaim by teens who considered themselves counterculture but poo-pooed by gatekeepers who saw rock as a static immovable thing. The same way hair metal was seen as a gimmick and the death of rock, so was screamo and pop punk.

Though I'm willing to concede I was barking up the wrong tree on this one, because I'm mentioning music that basically thrived and died during my own teen years. I'm speaking from within that bubble and I could easily be wrong.

I would say that prog rock isn't seen as gimmicky because rock nerds have held a candle for it for decades, and it continues to inform what people view as "rock", whereas screamo and pop punk are seen as their own thing that any "reputable" rock nerd either spent years denying as an offshoot of rock in the first place, or who still feel like that's the case. I never saw a backlash against prog rock, while I did for screamo and pop punk - and the heyday of those offshoots are more or less over, at least compared to when they were new. They haven't been venerated and mythologised the way that prog rock has been.

That's not to say that either style of music is bad. It's moreso meant to suggest that despite stemming from rock music to some degree and furthering the sound that rock was taking in the pop soundscape, neither was really seen as a torchbearer for rock music and both of them had a short heyday before falling out of fashion. Maybe gimmicky is the wrong word, since all music tends to fall out of fashion eventually, but again - I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who was a teenager during its heyday, who saw the rise and fall to some degree, and who hasn't branched out much beyond that perspective.

As for bands that have pushed the boundaries of rock forward - that's what I was trying to get at with King Gizzard and the Bennies. Rock still exists, and bands still create rock music with their own spin on it, that isn't a cheap pastiche of what rock is seen to have been. To me, Nonagon Infinity by King Gizzard is a rock album. Songs like Mushroom Tea, Party Machine, Knights Forever, Detroit Rock Ciggies and Heavy Disco are rock songs first and foremost. And like you said, bands like Tame Impala and the like have put a new spin on rock and furthered the genre by putting their thumbprint on it. Like I said:

MrMallard posted...

for every band that plays a highly referential style of rock, there's a Bennies or a King Gizzard waiting in the wings with their take on the music. You just have to find it.

Maybe I was off base by calling screamo and pop punk gimmicks. Personally I see them as artifacts of their time that have more or less stayed there, but that's not to say they were without serious merit, or that they weren't well-made, made out of love or passion for the sound, or what have you. An aspect of my comment is how gatekeepers have traditionally taken that stance, meaning that as far as the sound of rock goes, neither sound gets much of a nod for taking the direction that rock music was heading in the zeitgeist and moving it forward in their own ways.

I stand by what I said about rock becoming more of a pastiche rather than its own genre. In saying that, there's a smaller, dedicated indie scene putting their fingerprint on rock, and that's cool - but when you hear a headlining artist make a "rock" album or take elements of rock music to add to their latest project - whenever rock is a term used in the mainstream as an influence or what have you - I feel like that amounts to taking a handful of recognizable hallmarks of the genre and playing them out in a really vapid, surface-level sort of way. Rock might be stronger than it has been for years because of these smaller bands carrying a torch for it, but the contemporary opinion is still predominantly that it's a dead genre that can be harvested for clout.

Rock, as an influence used in today's pop music, has been reduced to a pastiche. It's been reduced to a handful of touchstones that are trotted out to spice up pop acts. Rock as a genre is on the mend.

A lot of the frustration I expressed at rock as a genre amounted to its history of gatekeeping and dismissal, where certain things aren't "real rock" and how "rock is dead" because you don't have an oldies act topping the charts any more. Rock as a genre has seen countless thresholds where it's been judged to have been killed, with only a narrow, "respectable" scope of what's deemed "rock" or not informing that opinion. Personally, I would argue that rock has seen a bunch of offshoots and continuations in spirit and in tone, present in a lot of subgenres and sounds that either "aren't rock" or that "killed rock" - for example, screamo and pop punk, which furthered a sense of counterculture and noise that people like to associate with the genre.

Like even if pop punk isn't deemed to be rock music - I mean the title is "pop punk", two genres that aren't deemed as rock music - it borrowed heavily from how rock was played and how it sounded. Screamo might not be deemed to be an offshoot of rock, but it was loud, gnarly and counterculture in a way that I think pulled a lot from the spirit of rock music - even if it was very much its own thing.

And having said all that - like you said, there are bands today that are making strides in popularising rock and carrying it forward in a purer form than it has been during all those other off-shoots. Hence what I was saying about the music being there, and that people just had to look a little bit for it. Rock is simultaneously a fragile relic of the past, dead in its grave because its most ardent fans have deemed it so, and in the midst of a thriving independent revival from bands who play a style of rock music that's recognisable as rock, but is steeped in their own sound and sensibilities rather than pulling exclusively from a pool of homogenised building blocks that inform the most strict, publically palatable image of what rock music is.

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lol at everything itt

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NGL this is probably the single worst thing I've heard all month. Worse than a homeless guy screaming jibberish at a cement column under a freeway overpass.

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I just came here to rant about shit I'm interested in, just saw the video in the OP and lol

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Tyranthraxus posted...

"rock is dead" he cries in agony as a rock band wins Eurovision

What is Eurovision?

Erectum posted...

What is Eurovision?

It's when you're looking at Europe

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MrMallard posted...

What I mean by screamo and pop punk being gimmicks is that they had a short heyday in the mid/late 2000's, winding down around the early 2010's, to great acclaim by teens who considered themselves counterculture but poo-pooed by gatekeepers who saw rock as a static immovable thing. The same way hair metal was seen as a gimmick and the death of rock, so was screamo and pop punk.

Though I'm willing to concede I was barking up the wrong tree on this one, because I'm mentioning music that basically thrived and died during my own teen years. I'm speaking from within that bubble and I could easily be wrong.

I would say that prog rock isn't seen as gimmicky because rock nerds have held a candle for it for decades, and it continues to inform what people view as "rock", whereas screamo and pop punk are seen as their own thing that any "reputable" rock nerd either spent years denying as an offshoot of rock in the first place, or who still feel like that's the case. I never saw a backlash against prog rock, while I did for screamo and pop punk - and the heyday of those offshoots are more or less over, at least compared to when they were new. They haven't been venerated and mythologised the way that prog rock has been.

That's not to say that either style of music is bad. It's moreso meant to suggest that despite stemming from rock music to some degree and furthering the sound that rock was taking in the pop soundscape, neither was really seen as a torchbearer for rock music and both of them had a short heyday before falling out of fashion. Maybe gimmicky is the wrong word, since all music tends to fall out of fashion eventually, but again - I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who was a teenager during its heyday, who saw the rise and fall to some degree, and who hasn't branched out much beyond that perspective.

As for bands that have pushed the boundaries of rock forward - that's what I was trying to get at with King Gizzard and the Bennies. Rock still exists, and bands still create rock music with their own spin on it, that isn't a cheap pastiche of what rock is seen to have been. To me, Nonagon Infinity by King Gizzard is a rock album. Songs like Mushroom Tea, Party Machine, Knights Forever, Detroit Rock Ciggies and Heavy Disco are rock songs first and foremost. And like you said, bands like Tame Impala and the like have put a new spin on rock and furthered the genre by putting their thumbprint on it. Like I said:

Maybe I was off base by calling screamo and pop punk gimmicks. Personally I see them as artifacts of their time that have more or less stayed there, but that's not to say they were without serious merit, or that they weren't well-made, made out of love or passion for the sound, or what have you. An aspect of my comment is how gatekeepers have traditionally taken that stance, meaning that as far as the sound of rock goes, neither sound gets much of a nod for taking the direction that rock music was heading in the zeitgeist and moving it forward in their own ways.

I stand by what I said about rock becoming more of a pastiche rather than its own genre. In saying that, there's a smaller, dedicated indie scene putting their fingerprint on rock, and that's cool - but when you hear a headlining artist make a "rock" album or take elements of rock music to add to their latest project - whenever rock is a term used in the mainstream as an influence or what have you - I feel like that amounts to taking a handful of recognizable hallmarks of the genre and playing them out in a really vapid, surface-level sort of way. Rock might be stronger than it has been for years because of these smaller bands carrying a torch for it, but the contemporary opinion is still predominantly that it's a dead genre that can be harvested for clout.

Rock, as an influence used in today's pop music, has been reduced to a pastiche. It's been reduced to a handful of touchstones that are trotted out to spice up pop acts. Rock as a genre is on the mend.

A lot of the frustration I expressed at rock as a genre amounted to its history of gatekeeping and dismissal, where certain things aren't "real rock" and how "rock is dead" because you don't have an oldies act topping the charts any more. Rock as a genre has seen countless thresholds where it's been judged to have been killed, with only a narrow, "respectable" scope of what's deemed "rock" or not informing that opinion. Personally, I would argue that rock has seen a bunch of offshoots and continuations in spirit and in tone, present in a lot of subgenres and sounds that either "aren't rock" or that "killed rock" - for example, screamo and pop punk, which furthered a sense of counterculture and noise that people like to associate with the genre.

Like even if pop punk isn't deemed to be rock music - I mean the title is "pop punk", two genres that aren't deemed as rock music - it borrowed heavily from how rock was played and how it sounded. Screamo might not be deemed to be an offshoot of rock, but it was loud, gnarly and counterculture in a way that I think pulled a lot from the spirit of rock music - even if it was very much its own thing.

And having said all that - like you said, there are bands today that are making strides in popularising rock and carrying it forward in a purer form than it has been during all those other off-shoots. Hence what I was saying about the music being there, and that people just had to look a little bit for it. Rock is simultaneously a fragile relic of the past, dead in its grave because its most ardent fans have deemed it so, and in the midst of a thriving independent revival from bands who play a style of rock music that's recognisable as rock, but is steeped in their own sound and sensibilities rather than pulling exclusively from a pool of homogenised building blocks that inform the most strict, publically palatable image of what rock music is.

Woah

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Yes a lack of innovation has led to its downfall

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjl9EcQZ7p0N3_1hwFePTIu8DE4uJEpbE

Its ok, artists like ZillaKami are trying to at least keep its memory alive.

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That's not hip hop. Do you seriously think it's "hip hop" just bc black people are involved? Wtf.
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the only innovative rap artist out rn is Chief Keef

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lilORANG posted...

That's not hip hop. Do you seriously think it's "hip hop" just bc black people are involved? Wtf.

No hrs a rapper.

Erectum posted...

https://youtu.be/gxIEt3KEohk

Lmao this guy gets carried by auto-tune hard.

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