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Lathissamus 09/24/21 12:50:29 PM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/19/no-more-white-saviours-thanks-how-to-be-a-true-anti-racist-ally Just don't be racist. I don't understand the term anti-racist. There are racists, and there are not racists. The only way to combat racism is to raise your children properly, with MLK's rhetoric in mind. Content of character, not color of skin. I do not agree with her on the idea that the only way to fight racism is for children to be raised thinking hyper-critically about race. I believe that does the opposite of what the intention is. I do agree with her about the whole "white savior" thing, and most of the people on CE should probably read that and learn themselves something. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:958371620] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/19/no-more-white-saviours-thanks-how-to-be-a-true-anti-racist-ally Just don't be racist. I don't understand the term anti-racist. There are racists, and there are not racists. The only way to combat racism is to raise your children properly, with MLK's rhetoric in mind. Content of character, not color of skin. I do not agree with her on the idea that the only way to fight racism is for children to be raised thinking hyper-critically about race. I believe that does the opposite of what the intention is. I do agree with her about the whole "white savior" thing, and most of the people on CE should probably read that and learn themselves something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brotrrwinner 09/24/21 12:51:59 PM #2:	TC, prepare to get called a bunch of names. You can't come here bringing reason and logic and expect a warm welcome --- September 21st, 2008 Never forget <cite>brotrrwinner posted [p:958371661] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>TC, prepare to get called a bunch of names. You can't come here bringing reason and logic and expect a warm welcome </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 09/24/21 12:52:47 PM #3:	Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:958371694] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/24/21 12:54:57 PM #4:	Lathissamus posted... The only way to combat racism is to raise your children properly, with MLK's rhetoric in mind. Content of character, not color of skin. raising your children that way is a solution at the individual level. it is inadequate for systemic level problems such as racism --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:958371753] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>The only way to combat racism is to raise your children properly, with MLK's rhetoric in mind. Content of character, not color of skin.</quote>raising your children that way is a solution at the individual level. it is inadequate for systemic level problems such as racism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 09/24/21 12:55:16 PM #5:	I'm anti racist when it comes to reverse racism. --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:958371762] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>I'm anti racist when it comes to reverse racism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 12:57:10 PM #6:	Lathissamus posted... I don't understand the term anti-racist Really? I would never have picked that up from your posting style. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958371804] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>I don't understand the term anti-racist</quote>Really? I would never have picked that up from your posting style. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 09/24/21 12:58:50 PM #7:	ScazarMeltex posted... Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand. Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop? --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:958371857] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand.</quote>Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brotrrwinner 09/24/21 1:00:41 PM #8:	"Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553 --- September 21st, 2008 Never forget <cite>brotrrwinner posted [p:958371922] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>"Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:01:20 PM #9:	Lathissamus posted... Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop? Some might. Some might not. For those who do, great. For those who don't, you shun them. Make it clear how unwelcome they are in polite society. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958371942] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop?</quote>Some might. Some might not. For those who do, great. For those who don't, you shun them. Make it clear how unwelcome they are in polite society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 09/24/21 1:01:46 PM #10:	CyricZ posted... Really? I would never have picked that up from your posting style. I am not critical of race, just character. Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color. I think the study of culture should be more closely looked at rather than a physical characteristic. Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. The intention of fighting racism is nice, but the idea of hyper-critical racial analyzing is not something we should be doing for reasons of division. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:958371955] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Really? I would never have picked that up from your posting style.</quote>I am not critical of race, just character. Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color. I think the study of culture should be more closely looked at rather than a physical characteristic. Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. The intention of fighting racism is nice, but the idea of hyper-critical racial analyzing is not something we should be doing for reasons of division. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 09/24/21 1:06:28 PM #11:	The race/diversity training industry is absolutely booming right now. You will never be anti-racist enough, you need to pay for more training. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:958372101] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>The race/diversity training industry is absolutely booming right now. You will never be anti-racist enough, you need to pay for more training. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g0ldie 09/24/21 1:08:05 PM #13:	Lathissamus posted... Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. lol, you guys like to throw in this strawman, for real. --- https://imgur.com/mApEnf3 <cite>g0ldie posted [p:958372160] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back.</quote>lol, you guys like to throw in this strawman, for real. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:08:41 PM #14:	Lathissamus posted... Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color. So you are, in fact, critical of race, because you know as well as I do that the social construct of "race" goes beyond skin color. Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. From racists. The intention of fighting racism is nice, but the idea of hyper-critical racial analyzing is not something we should be doing for reasons of division. The division is already there and has been for hundreds of years, and it has not gone away by trying to ignore it. The way to fight it needs to change and be more direct. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372177] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color.</quote>So you are, in fact, critical of race, because you know as well as I do that the social construct of "race" goes beyond skin color. <quote>Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back.</quote>From racists. <quote>The intention of fighting racism is nice, but the idea of hyper-critical racial analyzing is not something we should be doing for reasons of division.</quote>The division is already there and has been for hundreds of years, and it has not gone away by trying to ignore it. The way to fight it needs to change and be more direct. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/24/21 1:10:08 PM #15:	The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. The point of the anti-racism movement was never to eliminate discrimination. I suppose the most charitable interpretation would be that discrimination is inevitable. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:958372213] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. The point of the anti-racism movement was never to eliminate discrimination. I suppose the most charitable interpretation would be that discrimination is inevitable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 09/24/21 1:10:11 PM #16:	Lathissamus posted... Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop? Maybe, maybe not. If it stops someone in the process of harassing someone though who the fuck cares? I'm not interested in what the racist does or doesn't do, I'm interested in helping people who are on the receiving end. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:958372215] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop?</quote>Maybe, maybe not. If it stops someone in the process of harassing someone though who the fuck cares? I'm not interested in what the racist does or doesn't do, I'm interested in helping people who are on the receiving end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/24/21 1:10:47 PM #17:	Lathissamus posted... I am not critical of race, just character. Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color. I think the study of culture should be more closely looked at rather than a physical characteristic. Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. The intention of fighting racism is nice, but the idea of hyper-critical racial analyzing is not something we should be doing for reasons of division. Why are you assuming the study of race is just physical characteristics"? Have you looked at how psychology and sociology actually study the concept? It very much IS a study of assumptions of culture... <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:958372233] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>I am not critical of race, just character. Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color. I think the study of culture should be more closely looked at rather than a physical characteristic. Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. The intention of fighting racism is nice, but the idea of hyper-critical racial analyzing is not something we should be doing for reasons of division.</quote> Why are you assuming the study of race is just physical characteristics"? Have you looked at how psychology and sociology actually study the concept? It very much IS a study of assumptions of culture... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 09/24/21 1:11:09 PM #18:	Lathissamus posted... Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back. Don't put that on most white people. It's mostly just the one's sheltered away from black culture. You can call me racist online all day, Im secure enough to think it's funny. --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:958372247] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back.</quote> Don't put that on most white people. It's mostly just the one's sheltered away from black culture. You can call me racist online all day, Im secure enough to think it's funny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 09/24/21 1:12:18 PM #19:	CyricZ posted... So you are, in fact, critical of race, because you know as well as I do that the social construct of "race" goes beyond skin color. From racists. The division is already there and has been for hundreds of years, and it has not gone away by trying to ignore it. The way to fight it needs to change and be more direct. Bolded and underlined the part that makes this a cyclical argument. The accuser defines the "racism," but it may or may not be the case. There are many, many times when someone is accused of racism when that is simply not really the case. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:958372288] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>So you are, in fact, critical of race, because you know as well as I do that the social construct of "race" goes beyond skin color. From racists. The division is already there and has been for hundreds of years, and it has not gone away by trying to ignore it. The way to fight it needs to change and be more direct.</quote>Bolded and underlined the part that makes this a cyclical argument. The accuser defines the "racism," but it may or may not be the case. There are many, many times when someone is accused of racism when that is simply not really the case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/24/21 1:12:57 PM #20:	NeoShadowhen posted... The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. The point of the anti-racism movement was never to eliminate discrimination. I suppose the most charitable interpretation would be that discrimination is inevitable. How did you come to that conclusion about the goal? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:958372308] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>NeoShadowhen posted... </cite> <quote>The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. The point of the anti-racism movement was never to eliminate discrimination. I suppose the most charitable interpretation would be that discrimination is inevitable.</quote> How did you come to that conclusion about the goal? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:13:07 PM #21:	NeoShadowhen posted... The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. Don't know where you picked this up, but just for the topic at large, this quote does not appear in the linked article. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372312] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>NeoShadowhen posted... </cite> <quote>The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.</quote>Don't know where you picked this up, but just for the topic at large, this quote does not appear in the linked article. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shiby with it 09/24/21 1:14:27 PM #22:	brotrrwinner posted... "Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553 They're being a lot nicer than I would be lmao What an entitled bitch. --- ...I knew this 45 year old guy, goes by the name of Uncle Slappy, used to hang out on the corner of 56th and Rucker... -SArmstr0ng <cite>shiby with it posted [p:958372349] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>brotrrwinner posted... </cite> <quote>"Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553</quote>They're being a lot nicer than I would be lmao What an entitled bitch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/24/21 1:14:36 PM #23:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... The race/diversity training industry is absolutely booming right now. You will never be anti-racist enough, you need to pay for more training. While arguments about trainings and costs may be valid... Are you saying none of it is needed? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:958372356] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite> <quote>The race/diversity training industry is absolutely booming right now. You will never be anti-racist enough, you need to pay for more training.</quote> While arguments about trainings and costs may be valid... Are you saying none of it is needed? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:15:26 PM #24:	Lathissamus posted... There are many, many times when someone is accused of racism when that is simply not really the case. Prove it. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372384] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>There are many, many times when someone is accused of racism when that is simply not really the case.</quote>Prove it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/24/21 1:15:43 PM #25:	Ruvan22 posted... How did you come to that conclusion about the goal? Im wildly open to hearing other interpretations of that quote, if youve got one. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:958372393] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>How did you come to that conclusion about the goal?</quote> Im wildly open to hearing other interpretations of that quote, if youve got one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:16:06 PM #26:	NeoShadowhen posted... Im wildly open to hearing other interpretations of that quote, if youve got one. Again, please cite where you got the quote. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372401] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>NeoShadowhen posted... </cite> <quote>Im wildly open to hearing other interpretations of that quote, if youve got one.</quote>Again, please cite where you got the quote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 09/24/21 1:16:48 PM #27:	brotrrwinner posted... "Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553 horse shoe theory just rings true in everything --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:958372428] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>brotrrwinner posted... </cite> <quote>"Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553</quote>horse shoe theory just rings true in everything </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 09/24/21 1:17:13 PM #28:	Ruvan22 posted... Why are you assuming the study of race is just physical characteristics"? Have you looked at how psychology and sociology actually study the concept? It very much IS a study of assumptions of culture... Because a hyper-critical study of culture would be called racist by the "anti-racists." I am saying that the general criticality pertaining to the idea of race itself is divisive. Can culture be actively investigated and understood when discussing race? Sure, but not when aggressively discussing race and racism itself to a majority of those who never do anything racist, and attributing racist tendencies to a group inherently. We already see push against CRT in diverse towns, because it has the potentiality to alter the behavior and assumptions of children negatively. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:958372442] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you assuming the study of race is just physical characteristics"? Have you looked at how psychology and sociology actually study the concept? It very much IS a study of assumptions of culture...</quote>Because a hyper-critical study of culture would be called racist by the "anti-racists." I am saying that the general criticality pertaining to the idea of race itself is divisive. Can culture be actively investigated and understood when discussing race? Sure, but not when aggressively discussing race and racism itself to a majority of those who never do anything racist, and attributing racist tendencies to a group inherently. We already see push against CRT in diverse towns, because it has the potentiality to alter the behavior and assumptions of children negatively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 09/24/21 1:18:46 PM #29:	Lathissamus posted... Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color aka "how can I justify my hatred of those darn browns???" --- i believe we can fly up in the sky <cite>teep_ posted [p:958372493] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted...</cite> <quote>Culture has a far more readily apparent impact on character than skin color</quote> aka "how can I justify my hatred of those darn browns???"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:19:40 PM #30:	Lathissamus posted... Because a hyper-critical study of culture would be called racist by the "anti-racists." Prove it. because it has the potentiality to alter the behavior and assumptions of children negatively. Prove it. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372517] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote>Because a hyper-critical study of culture would be called racist by the "anti-racists."</quote>Prove it. <quote>because it has the potentiality to alter the behavior and assumptions of children negatively.</quote>Prove it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 09/24/21 1:19:43 PM #31:	Lath topic. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:958372518] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lath topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/24/21 1:20:47 PM #32:	I don't know what the lesson is that I'm supposed to learn here, but the article shitting all over "performative allyship" is spot on. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:958372549] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>I don't know what the lesson is that I'm supposed to learn here, but the article shitting all over "performative allyship" is spot on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/24/21 1:21:06 PM #33:	CyricZ posted... Again, please cite where you got the quote. CyricZ posted... Don't know where you picked this up, but just for the topic at large, this quote does not appear in the linked article. Ibram X Kendi, from How to be an Anti-racist <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:958372558] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Again, please cite where you got the quote.</quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Don't know where you picked this up, but just for the topic at large, this quote does not appear in the linked article.</quote> Ibram X Kendi, from How to be an Anti-racist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 09/24/21 1:21:34 PM #34:	ScazarMeltex posted... Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand. --- Marvel presents Marvel Marvel's The Marvels <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:958372571] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pauIie 09/24/21 1:23:07 PM #35:	pretty sus if people saying be anti racist bothers you --- https://imgur.com/O5APL http://www.last.fm/user/jaeganja <cite>pauIie posted [p:958372619] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>pretty sus if people saying be anti racist bothers you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PatrickMahomes 09/24/21 1:23:43 PM #36:	brotrrwinner posted... "Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553 Part of me wishes I was born eight years ago so I could watch shit like this in person --- https://imgur.com/cEQy3f4 / https://imgur.com/gWKaLHC <cite>PatrickMahomes posted [p:958372630] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>brotrrwinner posted... </cite> <quote>"Anti-racists" at work: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553</quote>Part of me wishes I was born eight years ago so I could watch shit like this in person </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:25:20 PM #37:	NeoShadowhen posted... Ibram X Kendi, from How to be an Anti-racist Thank you. I found the entire quote that you picked from. The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. As President Lyndon B. Johnson said in 1965, You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, You are free to compete with all the others, and still justly believe that you have been completely fair. As U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun wrote in 1978, In order to get beyond racism, we must first take account of race. There is no other way. And in order to treat some persons equally, we must treat them differently. I agree with him on this. To combat racist discrimination, we need to employ anti-racist discrimination. We need to discriminate against racists. We need to shun them, remove them from positions of power, and actively remind them that they are not welcome in polite society. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372677] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>NeoShadowhen posted... </cite> <quote>Ibram X Kendi, from How to be an Anti-racist</quote>Thank you. I found the entire quote that you picked from. <quote>The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. As President Lyndon B. Johnson said in 1965, You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, You are free to compete with all the others, and still justly believe that you have been completely fair. As U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun wrote in 1978, In order to get beyond racism, we must first take account of race. There is no other way. And in order to treat some persons equally, we must treat them differently.</quote> I agree with him on this. To combat racist discrimination, we need to employ anti-racist discrimination. We need to discriminate against racists. We need to shun them, remove them from positions of power, and actively remind them that they are not welcome in polite society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 09/24/21 1:26:33 PM #38:	I'm not sure MLK is the best person to cite for this argument. He explicitly didn't advocate just doing the bare minimum ("raising your children properly") and hoping racism disappears, but advocated actively fighting against racism, for Civil Rights, and even in some cases for ending capitalism. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:958372705] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure MLK is the best person to cite for this argument. He explicitly didn't advocate just doing the bare minimum ("raising your children properly") and hoping racism disappears, but advocated actively fighting against racism, for Civil Rights, and even in some cases for ending capitalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:27:50 PM #39:	luigi13579 posted... I'm not sure MLK is the best person to cite for this argument. He explicitly didn't advocate just doing the bare minimum ("raising your children properly") and hoping racism disappears, but advocated actively fighting against racism, for Civil Rights, and even in some cases for ending capitalism. And had some very specific complaints against "the white moderate". --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372751] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>luigi13579 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not sure MLK is the best person to cite for this argument. He explicitly didn't advocate just doing the bare minimum ("raising your children properly") and hoping racism disappears, but advocated actively fighting against racism, for Civil Rights, and even in some cases for ending capitalism.</quote>And had some very specific complaints against "the white moderate". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 09/24/21 1:28:21 PM #40:	I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:958372764] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 09/24/21 1:32:57 PM #41:	ThanksUglyGod posted... I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race. It pretty much does actually --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:958372906] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>ThanksUglyGod posted... </cite> <quote>I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race.</quote>It pretty much does actually </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 09/24/21 1:35:15 PM #42:	I wonder if anyone has ever posted a topic like this in good faith? <cite>lolife67 posted [p:958372969] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if anyone has ever posted a topic like this in good faith? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 09/24/21 1:35:31 PM #43:	Dathrowed1 posted... It pretty much does actually At least try to hide the insecurity lol --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:958372978] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>It pretty much does actually</quote> At least try to hide the insecurity lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 09/24/21 1:35:48 PM #44:	Lathissamus posted... I do not agree with her on the idea that the only way to fight racism is for children to be raised thinking hyper-critically about race. I believe that does the opposite of what the intention is. I do agree with her about the whole "white savior" thing, and most of the people on CE should probably read that and learn themselves something. It is worth learning all the context and history though so you can get the proper perspective. People don't have the same history or get the same treatment in society. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:958372985] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>Lathissamus posted... </cite> <quote> I do not agree with her on the idea that the only way to fight racism is for children to be raised thinking hyper-critically about race. I believe that does the opposite of what the intention is. I do agree with her about the whole "white savior" thing, and most of the people on CE should probably read that and learn themselves something.</quote> It is worth learning all the context and history though so you can get the proper perspective. People don't have the same history or get the same treatment in society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:35:54 PM #45:	ThanksUglyGod posted... I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race. I mean there's that and you also have to consider so many things: the context, the origin point, literally what you're doing at the time, what they're doing. Like my general advice is if it happens to you, take a moment and reflect on it. Look at yourself and see if there was something you could have done better. Take into account what level of trust you have with the person. Thinking about it at least a little is a good sign. It's the people who immediately respond with "no I'm not" that you have to watch out for. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958372988] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>ThanksUglyGod posted... </cite> <quote>I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race.</quote>I mean there's that and you also have to consider so many things: the context, the origin point, literally what you're doing at the time, what they're doing. Like my general advice is if it happens to you, take a moment and reflect on it. Look at yourself and see if there was something you could have done better. Take into account what level of trust you have with the person. Thinking about it at least a little is a good sign. It's the people who immediately respond with "no I'm not" that you have to watch out for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/24/21 1:39:51 PM #46:	CyricZ posted... Thank you. I found the entire quote that you picked from. I agree with him on this. To combat racist discrimination, we need to employ anti-racist discrimination. We need to discriminate against racists. We need to shun them, remove them from positions of power, and actively remind them that they are not welcome in polite society. I agree, but the discrimination being advocated for is not just against racists, but against anyone who who is not disadvantaged as a result of past discrimination. At least thats how I interpret the quote, and I agree with that interpretation also. The main point of contention in regards to this quote, and throughout the work at large is the debate over the term equality. People tend to get fired up about the distinction between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. There have been significant strides in equality of opportunity, but many doubt that equality of outcome will ever be achievable across the population at large. I definitely recommend the book if this is a subject that interests you. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:958373114] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Thank you. I found the entire quote that you picked from. I agree with him on this. To combat racist discrimination, we need to employ anti-racist discrimination. We need to discriminate against racists. We need to shun them, remove them from positions of power, and actively remind them that they are not welcome in polite society.</quote> I agree, but the discrimination being advocated for is not just against racists, but against anyone who who is not disadvantaged as a result of past discrimination. At least thats how I interpret the quote, and I agree with that interpretation also. The main point of contention in regards to this quote, and throughout the work at large is the debate over the term equality. People tend to get fired up about the distinction between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. There have been significant strides in equality of opportunity, but many doubt that equality of outcome will ever be achievable across the population at large. I definitely recommend the book if this is a subject that interests you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronChef_Kirby 09/24/21 1:39:59 PM #47:	ThanksUglyGod posted... I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race. This. There are many different types and levels of severity within racism, but most people are so sheltered from critical conversations about racism that they just assume theyre being compared to a klansman if their racism is pointed out. I am actively working on being anti-racist, but theres still a high likelihood Im racist in some ways due to some latent attitudes or assumptions Ive yet to become aware of and address. The most anyone can do is keep reflecting and working on it. --- "Bro Just Let Me Karate Chop You And You Can Have As Many Skateboards As You Want" <cite>IronChef_Kirby posted [p:958373119] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>ThanksUglyGod posted... </cite> <quote>I wish people would calm down about being called a racist. Just because someone called you a racist doesn't mean they think you're literally a klansman. Often it just means you're being a dummy with regards to race.</quote>This. There are many different types and levels of severity within racism, but most people are so sheltered from critical conversations about racism that they just assume theyre being compared to a klansman if their racism is pointed out. I am actively working on being anti-racist, but theres still a high likelihood Im racist in some ways due to some latent attitudes or assumptions Ive yet to become aware of and address. The most anyone can do is keep reflecting and working on it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/24/21 1:46:05 PM #48:	NeoShadowhen posted... I agree, but the discrimination being advocated for is not just against racists, but against anyone who who is not disadvantaged as a result of past discrimination. No I disagree. It is a call to discriminate against racists, and for even those who have not been disadvantaged by past discrimination to become involved. Like the quote literally says to discriminate against "racist discrimination". --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:958373282] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>NeoShadowhen posted... </cite> <quote>I agree, but the discrimination being advocated for is not just against racists, but against anyone who who is not disadvantaged as a result of past discrimination.</quote>No I disagree. It is a call to discriminate against racists, and for even those who have not been disadvantaged by past discrimination to become involved. Like the quote literally says to discriminate against "racist discrimination". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/24/21 1:55:40 PM #49:	CyricZ posted... No I disagree. It is a call to discriminate against racists, and for even those who have not been disadvantaged by past discrimination to become involved. Like the quote literally says to discriminate against "racist discrimination". Yes, but Im this context racial discrimination is anything that leads to an inequitable outcome in regards to race. So it isnt about just challenging racists, its about tipping the scales to provide an advantage to those groups who have faced historical discrimination, inevitably at the expense of members of groups who have not faced historical discrimination, regardless of if those people are racists or anti-racists. I hope Im making sense. Its been a while since I read it. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:958373550] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>No I disagree. It is a call to discriminate against racists, and for even those who have not been disadvantaged by past discrimination to become involved. Like the quote literally says to discriminate against "racist discrimination".</quote> Yes, but Im this context racial discrimination is anything that leads to an inequitable outcome in regards to race. So it isnt about just challenging racists, its about tipping the scales to provide an advantage to those groups who have faced historical discrimination, inevitably at the expense of members of groups who have not faced historical discrimination, regardless of if those people are racists or anti-racists. I hope Im making sense. Its been a while since I read it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/24/21 1:56:22 PM #50:	You cannot end racial discrimination by mandating racial discrimination. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:958373577] in An interes... [t:79677534]...</cite> <quote>You cannot end racial discrimination by mandating racial discrimination. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > An interesting article about being an "anti-racist."