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WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:16:04 PM #1:	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/doom-3 Lmao. (Also, gfaqs compression is rough) --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958441535] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/doom-3 Lmao. (Also, gfaqs compression is rough) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Health 09/26/21 6:21:45 PM #2:	Only if it has RAM. <cite>Health posted [p:958441687] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Only if it has RAM. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GMAK2442 09/26/21 6:22:33 PM #3:	Responsiveness is the only link in that matter. Everything is link in The Universe. --- Prosperity and Peace! 777 <cite>GMAK2442 posted [p:958441709] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Responsiveness is the only link in that matter. Everything is link in The Universe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumpo 09/26/21 6:23:29 PM #4:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjU4FSqhbKM <cite>Trumpo posted [p:958441740] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjU4FSqhbKM </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AldousIsDead 09/26/21 6:23:48 PM #5:	I do run minesweeper, though. --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. <cite>AldousIsDead posted [p:958441746] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>I do run minesweeper, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kami_no_Kami 09/26/21 6:24:05 PM #6:	Its a neural net processor. ~~A learning computer.~~ <cite>Kami_no_Kami posted [p:958441754] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Its a neural net processor. A learning computer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:24:05 PM #7:	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/lesion They're really going in on neuroscience stuff lately lol. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958441755] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/lesion They're really going in on neuroscience stuff lately lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:34:26 PM #8:	"So is anything with at least 2 states" not true, you need memory as well. In fact I think you need a special kind of memory too (Turing Machine) altho it's been a few years since I've thought about any of this... it's basic theory of computation stuff --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442016] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>"So is anything with at least 2 states" not true, you need memory as well. In fact I think you need a special kind of memory too (Turing Machine) altho it's been a few years since I've thought about any of this... it's basic theory of computation stuff </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:36:34 PM #9:	IllegalAlien posted... "So is anything with at least 2 states" not true, you need memory as well. In fact I think you need a special kind of memory too (Turing Machine) altho it's been a few years since I've thought about any of this... it's basic theory of computation stuff Anything the takes an input and produces an output computes, no? --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442078] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>"So is anything with at least 2 states" not true, you need memory as well. In fact I think you need a special kind of memory too (Turing Machine) altho it's been a few years since I've thought about any of this... it's basic theory of computation stuff</quote> Anything the takes an input and produces an output computes, no? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:39:49 PM #10:	WeeWeiWiiWie posted... Anything the takes an input and produces an output computes, no? I mean, if that's what you define computation as then sure... but then you wouldn't even need 2 states to do that :) just define f(x) = x for all inputs --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442181] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>WeeWeiWiiWie posted... </cite> <quote>Anything the takes an input and produces an output computes, no?</quote>I mean, if that's what you define computation as then sure... but then you wouldn't even need 2 states to do that :) just define f(x) = x for all inputs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AldousIsDead 09/26/21 6:41:25 PM #11:	I've started watching people make physical computers on YouTube again. You people did this to me. --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. <cite>AldousIsDead posted [p:958442231] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>I've started watching people make physical computers on YouTube again. You people did this to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:46:10 PM #12:	IllegalAlien posted... I mean, if that's what you define computation as then sure... but then you wouldn't even need 2 states to do that :) just define f(x) = x for all inputs I think this is a good representation of the argument: https://medium.com/the-spike/yes-the-brain-is-a-computer-11f630cad736 To summarize the formal definitions: (1) an algorithm is anything a Turing machine can do, (2) computable functions are defined as those functions that we have algorithms for, (3) a computer is anything which physically implements algorithms in order to solve computable functions. Main discrepancy here is that a computer does not need to be turing complete. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442383] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, if that's what you define computation as then sure... but then you wouldn't even need 2 states to do that :) just define f(x) = x for all inputs</quote> I think this is a good representation of the argument: https://medium.com/the-spike/yes-the-brain-is-a-computer-11f630cad736 <quote>To summarize the formal definitions: (1) an algorithm is anything a Turing machine can do, (2) computable functions are defined as those functions that we have algorithms for, (3) a computer is anything which physically implements algorithms in order to solve computable functions.</quote> Main discrepancy here is that a computer does not need to be turing complete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:51:00 PM #13:	Yes, like I said above "an algorithm is anything a Turing machine can do" you can google what a TM is, but its hard to understand why a TM is needed w/o understanding the buildup (automata, automata with memory, etc) --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442546] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Yes, like I said above "an algorithm is anything a Turing machine can do" you can google what a TM is, but its hard to understand why a TM is needed w/o understanding the buildup (automata, automata with memory, etc) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:52:07 PM #14:	perhaps it does not go without saying, that a TM is not just defined as something w/ 2 states.. but a comic strip illustrator shouldn't really be held to the standard of understanding theoretical computer sciences lol --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442580] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>perhaps it does not go without saying, that a TM is not just defined as something w/ 2 states.. but a comic strip illustrator shouldn't really be held to the standard of understanding theoretical computer sciences lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:52:23 PM #15:	But a computer does not need to be turing complete under this definition, which is why rocks become computers, more or less. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442586] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>But a computer does not need to be turing complete under this definition, which is why rocks become computers, more or less. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 09/26/21 6:53:27 PM #16:	If it is, I need an anti-virus program. Is taking stimulates like overclocking your brain? Trumpo posted... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjU4FSqhbKM Lol what I immediately thought of. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:958442610] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>If it is, I need an anti-virus program. Is taking stimulates like overclocking your brain? Trumpo posted... </cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjU4FSqhbKM</quote> Lol what I immediately thought of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:53:51 PM #17:	ehhhhh........ yeah okay man --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442627] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>ehhhhh........ yeah okay man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:55:02 PM #18:	IllegalAlien posted... ehhhhh........ yeah okay man I mean you can read the article I posted if you think I'm misunderstanding something. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442672] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>ehhhhh........ yeah okay man</quote> I mean you can read the article I posted if you think I'm misunderstanding something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:56:54 PM #19:	i don't necessarily want to read some drivel arguing semantics, that comes to the conclusion that a rock is a computer maybe in some non-formal setting someone might be convinced... but im a computer scientist by education... so not really interested or convincible if by your definition that is a computer, so be it, i have nothing to argue --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442738] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>i don't necessarily want to read some drivel arguing semantics, that comes to the conclusion that a rock is a computer maybe in some non-formal setting someone might be convinced... but im a computer scientist by education... so not really interested or convincible if by your definition that is a computer, so be it, i have nothing to argue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 6:57:37 PM #20:	IllegalAlien posted... i don't necessarily want to read some drivel arguing semantics, that comes to the conclusion that a rock is a computer maybe in some non-formal setting someone might be convinced... but im a computer scientist by education... so not really interested or convincible if by your definition that is a computer, so be it, i have nothing to argue It's written by a computer scientist who has a PhD in it. Edit: actually not entirely true, has a computer science bachelors but a PhD in neuroscience, is in a department of computer science, though. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442754] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>i don't necessarily want to read some drivel arguing semantics, that comes to the conclusion that a rock is a computer maybe in some non-formal setting someone might be convinced... but im a computer scientist by education... so not really interested or convincible if by your definition that is a computer, so be it, i have nothing to argue</quote> It's written by a computer scientist who has a PhD in it. Edit: actually not entirely true, has a computer science bachelors but a PhD in neuroscience, is in a department of computer science, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 6:58:43 PM #21:	appeal to authority --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442797] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>appeal to authority </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mussurana 09/26/21 7:00:23 PM #22:	Sort of? With odd limitations and complex relationships to its hardware inputs. For example: Can start learning about music while still in the womb. Can learn complex language, but if it doesn't receive appropriate input before age 10 (approx) that's no longer possible. Imprinting of certain sound profiles seems to happen at a young age, famously someone raised in a Japanese language environment can't distinguish between the L&R sounds. (Don't feel superior, Anglophones can't distinguish the different R sounds in French, or the clicks of the Pacific islanders). So maybe? But not one you'd design. --- System error, signature not found. <cite>Mussurana posted [p:958442846] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Sort of? With odd limitations and complex relationships to its hardware inputs. For example: Can start learning about music while still in the womb. Can learn complex language, but if it doesn't receive appropriate input before age 10 (approx) that's no longer possible. Imprinting of certain sound profiles seems to happen at a young age, famously someone raised in a Japanese language environment can't distinguish between the L&R sounds. (Don't feel superior, Anglophones can't distinguish the different R sounds in French, or the clicks of the Pacific islanders). So maybe? But not one you'd design. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 7:00:25 PM #23:	IllegalAlien posted... appeal to authority ... You made the argument that it wasn't authoritative enough for you! --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442847] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>appeal to authority</quote> ... You made the argument that it wasn't authoritative enough for you! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:02:08 PM #24:	no i made the argument that it's drivel, and appealing to authority won't change my view like i said, im not interested in semantics, if that's what you define as a computer, so be it --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442892] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>no i made the argument that it's drivel, and appealing to authority won't change my view like i said, im not interested in semantics, if that's what you define as a computer, so be it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:03:28 PM #25:	getting older allows one to avoid pointless arguments like this... if you want to be more informed you can study theory of computation yourself... im sure then w/ your neurosci background you can make your own conclusion --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958442937] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>getting older allows one to avoid pointless arguments like this... if you want to be more informed you can study theory of computation yourself... im sure then w/ your neurosci background you can make your own conclusion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 7:04:13 PM #26:	IllegalAlien posted... no i made the argument that it's drivel, and appealing to authority won't change my view like i said, im not interested in semantics, if that's what you define as a computer, so be it I mean, it is formally what a computer is. A computer doesn't need to be turing complete. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958442951] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>no i made the argument that it's drivel, and appealing to authority won't change my view like i said, im not interested in semantics, if that's what you define as a computer, so be it</quote> I mean, it is formally what a computer is. A computer doesn't need to be turing complete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:06:19 PM #27:	"formally" hahaha... alright dude. like I said *define* your terms however you see fit, i never said a computer needs to be a TM, but maybe i will take that stance --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958443006] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>"formally" hahaha... alright dude. like I said define your terms however you see fit, i never said a computer needs to be a TM, but maybe i will take that stance </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 7:07:04 PM #28:	IllegalAlien posted... "formally" hahaha... alright dude. like I said *define* your terms however you see fit, i never said a computer needs to be a TM, but maybe i will take that stance That's the only disagreement you have with the argument so you are implicitly taking that stance. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958443024] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>"formally" hahaha... alright dude. like I said define your terms however you see fit, i never said a computer needs to be a TM, but maybe i will take that stance</quote> That's the only disagreement you have with the argument so you are implicitly taking that stance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:07:50 PM #29:	zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958443044] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 7:11:47 PM #30:	Man you're pretentious as fuck lmao. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958443150] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Man you're pretentious as fuck lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:15:00 PM #31:	am i? i've explicitly been saying i don't care to debate but you keep trying to debate... dude i don't care engage with other people in ur topic --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958443249] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>am i? i've explicitly been saying i don't care to debate but you keep trying to debate... dude i don't care engage with other people in ur topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 7:15:54 PM #32:	IllegalAlien posted... am i? Yup. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958443266] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>am i?</quote> Yup. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:16:30 PM #33:	lol... i will take it as a compliment i suppose --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958443288] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>lol... i will take it as a compliment i suppose </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 09/26/21 7:17:19 PM #34:	just realize, you tried to debate me i disengaged you started insulting me i geuss that makes you an asshole huh --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:958443318] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>just realize, you tried to debate me i disengaged you started insulting me i geuss that makes you an asshole huh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 7:19:49 PM #36:	IllegalAlien posted... just realize, you tried to debate me i disengaged you started insulting me i geuss that makes you an asshole huh There are many ways to say you are not invested in discussing other than saying that the discussion is beneath you, particularly after not justifying your stance at all lmao. It's like the definition of pretentious. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958443394] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>IllegalAlien posted... </cite> <quote>just realize, you tried to debate me i disengaged you started insulting me i geuss that makes you an asshole huh</quote> There are many ways to say you are not invested in discussing other than saying that the discussion is beneath you, particularly after not justifying your stance at all lmao. It's like the definition of pretentious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodMoon7 09/26/21 7:22:43 PM #37:	._. sips tea --- My maid will hear about this. <cite>BloodMoon7 posted [p:958443480] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>._. sips tea </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 09/26/21 9:58:50 PM #38:	Bump for fun comics. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:958448715] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>Bump for fun comics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
indica 09/26/21 10:25:26 PM #39:	WeeWeiWiiWie posted... I think this is a good representation of the argument: https://medium.com/the-spike/yes-the-brain-is-a-computer-11f630cad736 Main discrepancy here is that a computer does not need to be turing complete. Interesting article --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>indica posted [p:958449585] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>WeeWeiWiiWie posted... </cite> <quote>I think this is a good representation of the argument: https://medium.com/the-spike/yes-the-brain-is-a-computer-11f630cad736 Main discrepancy here is that a computer does not need to be turing complete.</quote>Interesting article </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 09/26/21 10:31:58 PM #40:	yeah i like when SMBC does the ones with math in elementary school --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:958449798] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>yeah i like when SMBC does the ones with math in elementary school </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 09/26/21 10:32:51 PM #41:	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2002-09-05 --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:958449830] in Is the bra... [t:79681042]...</cite> <quote>https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2002-09-05 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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