Poll of the Day > What are your thought on them replacing white super heroes with PoC?

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Such as Riri Williams as Iron Heart(iron man) and Miles Morales as Spider man?

I know as a white person I cant say much on this matter. But I know if I was a PoC I would see it as an half asses attempt at diversity. Like they are hand me downs and not really an effort for a new and flushed out hero. More so with Heroes since theres not a limit on what they can be.

Well thats my two cents

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hypnox posted...

I know as a white person I cant say much on this matter. But I know if I was a PoC I would see it as an half asses attempt at diversity.

this sentence made me laugh out loud

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It pisses off racists, so it's great.

CaptainStrong posted...

It pisses off racists, so it's great.

Oh so you're one of those people.

It must be a fun way to live, as if real racism isn't bad enough, you need to create more racial tension where there is none. Thanks for contributing to regression.


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If I still gave a damn about superhero movies this idea would bother me because I like movies and series to reflect their source material. But Hollywood messed up superheroes for me a long time ago with their copy and paste formulas, the need to feel like they need to appeal to the widest demographic possible, the out of place humor and creating bad storylines when there was good source material to pull from. So one more thing on top of the burning doodoo pile isn't an issue because it's been a while since I got kept up with these movies.

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hypnox posted...

Miles Morales as Spider man?

That's not replacing.

hypnox posted...

But I know if I was a PoC I would see it as an half asses attempt at diversity.

That is what the intelligent ones think. Why can't they create a new character that is beloved instead of just changing an old one? Everyone knows its half-assed.

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I want a good story. Beyond that Im not too concerned about all the details. Make a good story and tell it well.

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hypnox posted...

Such as Riri Williams as Iron Heart(iron man) and Miles Morales as Spider man?

Miles Morales didn't replace Spider-Man he was just a alternate universe version.

Also into the spider verse was probably hands down the best Spider-Man movie ever.

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DANTE20XX posted...

That is what the intelligent ones think. Why can't they create a new character that is beloved instead of just changing an old one? Everyone knows its half-assed.

Indeed. Want a different hero? Don't change the old ones, make a new one. When someone decided we needed a cross dressing super hero, we didn't get Bruce Wayne in drag, we got Maidman.
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deoxxys posted...

Miles Morales didn't replace Spider-Man

he became spider-man

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Most of the time it's racist and silly to make those swaps. Of course, the underlying issue is also that it's a tacit admission that creators don't believe POC superheroes can stand on their own merits, so they need to replace or swap in for an existing one. In the case of Ultimate Spider-Man, the introduction of Miles was offensively bad.

On a temporary basis, it's not much different than other swaps. Depending on the build-up, it can make sense or be absolute shit. And when done right, the replacement can maintain a fanbase for his own title.

DANTE20XX posted...

That's not replacing.

It was when he came in. They literally killed off Ultimate Parker, so they could bring in Miles and then just slotted him the title.


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Its great, the age of white men only is ending. Welcome to the beautiful diverse and peaceful future

DANTE20XX posted...

That is what the intelligent ones think. Why can't they create a new character that is beloved instead of just changing an old one? Everyone knows its half-assed.

Fresh exploration of the narrative and themes using different perspectives. It's why I would be interested in a PoC Superman, since his life story is pretty analogous to an immigrant of color and having a basically unkillable PoC could be very interesting, especially depending on the time period and location (probably USA again, let's be real here) the piece is set in.

This wouldn't need to be explained to you if you actually gave a shit about the subject matter enough to think about it, by the way. Stop getting your panties in a twist over something you obviously aren't actually interested in.

And sure, I'll rise to the bait. "Intelligent ones"?

CaptainStrong posted...

It pisses off racists, so it's great.

There is that, too, but mostly I enjoy people showing how little they actually care about the medium they're clutching their pearls over.

deoxxys posted...

It must be a fun way to live, as if real racism isn't bad enough, you need to create more racial tension where there is none. Thanks for contributing to regression.

If the mere existence of AU versions of characters that fit into different social categories is enough to "create more racial tension," then I've got some real bad news for you about that... but you're lucky. It doesn't "create more"; it reveals what is already there to the general public.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

If the mere existence of AU versions of characters that fit into different social categories is enough to "create more racial tension," then I've got some real bad news for you about that... but you're lucky. It doesn't "create more"; it reveals what is already there to the general public.

No you misunderstand, its just the reverse. Im saying when there is a conversion that when people get mad or irratated that the perception that, "its just cause they racists lol", is what creates racial tension when there was none.

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deoxxys posted...

the perception that, "its just cause they racists lol", is what creates racial tension when there was none.

well maybe if it wasnt so obvious with so many people

that perception does not come from a vacuum

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SaltyAndSweet posted...

well maybe if it wasnt so obvious with so many people

that perception does not come from a vacuum

But rarely have I seen that, at least on gamefaqs.

Normally it appears that the accusation comes before the proof.

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who fucking cares this much about capeshit

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Gaawa_chan posted...

And sure, I'll rise to the bait. "Intelligent ones"?

Yes intelligent. Race-swapping is lowest tier effort.

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deoxxys posted...

But rarely have I seen that, at least on gamefaqs.

i dont think youve been paying attention if thats the case

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My first thought would be: why? what is the point?

hypnox posted...

I know as a white person I cant say much on this matter. But I know if I was a PoC I would see it as an half asses attempt at diversity.

lmfao bro

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deoxxys posted...

If I still gave a damn about superhero movies this idea would bother me because I like movies and series to reflect their source material.

Some of it does, though. For example there was a Miles Morales comic and everything already. So, that would still reflect source material
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who cares, as long as it is a different character

you can't just take the same exact character with the same experiences and give them a different skin color. talk about fucking up the overarching narrative

OH WAIT, there is no overarching narrative in american comics because they just go forever and ever and ever using the same immortal characters and never come to conclusive endings

I don't care at all if it's a alt universe or simply a mantle change.

I also dont mind if it's a obscure or less popular character. It's gotta have an explanation though. Like I dont care but I laugh at the explanation for making birdie black in street fighter. He said he was sick anf therefore pale.

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My thought is that this is such an obvious bait topic.

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Should have happened decades ago

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Two words: Female James Bond.

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Veedrock- posted...

Two words: Female James Bond.

name 5 British females in a row

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Queen Elizabeth, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth the first, Queen the band, James Bond

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its stupid lazy bullshit. They know if they create new characters barely anyone will care, so they try to sneak them in.

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Its lame and superficial. I agree with who said it should have happened decades ago. If it was going to be a thing at all. By now the replacements would have had time to bed in with established continuites and strong narratives to pull from. Instead it's like too little too late.

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Legacy characters/title inheritors should have the freedom of any race and gender combination, regardless of the past holders of the name.

When changing the race and/or gender of an established character, it might be better to first consider whether that "new character" is not better of being an actual separate character.

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Dont really care, but if you think disney/marvel/dc/whoever is doing it because they believe in the cause, you're a fucking idiot.

The only color that actually matters to these people is green. They will be PC when it is profitable, and they wont when its not.

hypnox posted...

Such as Riri Williams as Iron Heart(iron man) and Miles Morales as Spider man?

I know as a white person I cant say much on this matter. But I know if I was a PoC I would see it as an half asses attempt at diversity. Like they are hand me downs and not really an effort for a new and flushed out hero. More so with Heroes since theres not a limit on what they can be.

Well thats my two cents

There's literally no reason to care. They are their own characters. The only time it would matter is if they change the already established characters.

Lorthremar posted...

who fucking cares this much about capeshit

You're not supposed to shit on capes.
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make new characters, don't piggyback off of old ones
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Just make the characters have kids who take over the role. Like how White Nick Fury is the father of Samuel L. Jackson Nick Fury
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I don't get angry by it but I'm aware it's nothing more than a virtue signalling lazy marketing tactic to generate free advertisement through the anger it generates. It's doubly lazy in that they don't have to create an interesting new character or go through the risk of having it actually become popular.

People seem to be more conservative in what they watch these days. There wasn't a lot of original content in movies in the last decade, mostly remakes and sequels.

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It depends on how they're written. Miles, Kamala, Jaime Reyes, Rhodey, Sam, Miguel, etc are good characters. Riri Williams is boring

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I feel like the best way to go about bringing diversity to comics is to make new characters associated with big names.

A black Robin would work, just not if he was a race swapped Dick Grayson

Once they get popular enough you can move them up to their own hero

Of course they don't want to take the time to fully flesh out and develop their new heros and want to cut corners and take the quick route

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As a white person, I like diversity in super hero stories because:

a) realism

b) tired of the same boring-ass story being told 30 times

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hypnox posted...

But I know if I was a PoC I would see it as an half asses attempt at diversity.

LMFAO funniest shit ever. But ~I know~ that's for DARN TOOTIN, if I were BLACK, I sure as hell know how I'd feel!!

Why don't you ask some POC about race inclusivity in superhero stories instead of making up a silly story in your head?

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Out of my control

As long as the story is good and isnt a woke piece of garbage, that's all that matters

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Metalsonic66 posted...

It depends on how they're written. Miles, Kamala, Jaime Reyes, Rhodey, Sam, Miguel, etc are good characters. Riri Williams is boring

I feel like a lot of this is just trial and error though. Many people spent years calling Miles boring until he explodes in popularity recently. I think that's the case with a lot of comic characters, where they can spend years or even decades in irrelevance until a writer does something special with them.

Hell, you could even say thats true to a certain extent with the MCU stars. A lot of these characters weren't birthed as instant successes, and won't become one without a lot of effort. They're competing for attention in a very crowded marketplace, and it can take time to get them right.

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i could care less

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chelsea_wtf posted...

i could care less

But you do care?

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Your examples are fine
Just don't make Peter Parker black for no reason

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Zareth posted...

Just don't make Peter Parker black for no reason

Is there anything in Peter Parker's defining traits that require him to be of a specific heritage? (his family background being something that, probably amongst others, Ultimate and the MCU also changed)

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If it's a whole new character with similar powers then I don't care. As long as they're not changing the established character.

How many heroes have super strength, robot suit, or telekinesis? Probably a thousand but nobody accuses them of being lazy attempts of making a new character.

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faramir77 posted...

I don't get angry by it but I'm aware it's nothing more than a virtue signalling lazy marketing tactic to generate free advertisement through the anger it generates. It's doubly lazy in that they don't have to create an interesting new character or go through the risk of having it actually become popular.

People seem to be more conservative in what they watch these days. There wasn't a lot of original content in movies in the last decade, mostly remakes and sequels.

The problem with that is the people who are against the angry fans aren't fans of comics anyway so they don't gain much revenue from that tactic.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Is there anything in Peter Parker's defining traits that require him to be of a specific heritage? (his family background being something that, probably amongst others, Ultimate and the MCU also changed)

The original creators.
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