Current Events > Man on trial for raping a lesbian while allegedly 'pretending to be a lesbian'

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UnfairRepresent 10/05/21 4:28:04 AM #1:	A 30-year-old man on trial for raping a lesbian while "pretending to be a woman" said he was not aware the dating platform he used is for homosexual women only. He said he did not clarify about his gender after the lesbian called him sister, because he could not respond in time. Tsang Tsz-ho, 30, pleaded not guilty to raping a woman referred as X in court when they engaged in sadomasochism on February 27, 2020 at a Kwun Tong hotel. He called himself Jan and chose to describe himself as a tomboy on lesbian platform Butterfly. X told the court earlier that she would not have agreed to the sex if she knew he was a man. Testifying in self defense on Monday, Tsang said he did not know Butterfly is for lesbians only. He said he used different dating apps including Tinder, Skout and HeyMandi from 2014, which do not restrict sexual orientation. He got to know X on Butterfly in November 2019. He said he was aware that lesbians use the app, but did not think men were banned. As for why he chose his sexual orientation as tomboy, Tsang said he could not log in if he did not choose one of the options. He knew tomboy means a boyish girl. During conversations with X, the woman called him elder sister but he did not clarify. Tsang said he did not respond to the message in time. X also said she wanted to find a girl who cares for me. Tsang replied I can, and told the court that he meant he can be a person who cares for her. Tsang also told the jury that he did not put on any make up nor got into a dress in order to pretend to be woman. He testifed that when they were in the act, he asked X if she felt comfortable, and she said yes. He thought the answer means she agreed to the sex. But then X asked him what was inside her body, and he found the question strange. "I was thinking what could it be? I stopped the action," he said. When X started pushing him away, he thought the woman was upset because he did not wear a condom. X then told him: "You are a man? And you did not wear condom." She then threatened to sue him. Tsang said he is straight and dates women. The trial continues. Full article: https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/181107/Man-on-trial-for-raping-lesbian-said-he-did-not-respond-in-time-to-clarify-his-gender This guy sounds shady as fuck --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:958708592] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>A 30-year-old man on trial for raping a lesbian while "pretending to be a woman" said he was not aware the dating platform he used is for homosexual women only. He said he did not clarify about his gender after the lesbian called him sister, because he could not respond in time. Tsang Tsz-ho, 30, pleaded not guilty to raping a woman referred as X in court when they engaged in sadomasochism on February 27, 2020 at a Kwun Tong hotel. He called himself Jan and chose to describe himself as a tomboy on lesbian platform Butterfly. X told the court earlier that she would not have agreed to the sex if she knew he was a man. Testifying in self defense on Monday, Tsang said he did not know Butterfly is for lesbians only. He said he used different dating apps including Tinder, Skout and HeyMandi from 2014, which do not restrict sexual orientation. He got to know X on Butterfly in November 2019. He said he was aware that lesbians use the app, but did not think men were banned. As for why he chose his sexual orientation as tomboy, Tsang said he could not log in if he did not choose one of the options. He knew tomboy means a boyish girl. During conversations with X, the woman called him elder sister but he did not clarify. Tsang said he did not respond to the message in time. X also said she wanted to find a girl who cares for me. Tsang replied I can, and told the court that he meant he can be a person who cares for her. Tsang also told the jury that he did not put on any make up nor got into a dress in order to pretend to be woman. He testifed that when they were in the act, he asked X if she felt comfortable, and she said yes. He thought the answer means she agreed to the sex. But then X asked him what was inside her body, and he found the question strange. "I was thinking what could it be? I stopped the action," he said. When X started pushing him away, he thought the woman was upset because he did not wear a condom. X then told him: "You are a man? And you did not wear condom." She then threatened to sue him. Tsang said he is straight and dates women. The trial continues. Full article: https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/181107/Man-on-trial-for-raping-lesbian-said-he-did-not-respond-in-time-to-clarify-his-gender This guy sounds shady as fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShyOx 10/05/21 4:34:52 AM #2:	He knew. He lied. The confusion is for his benefit. He's telling what his lawyer told him to say. If I'm wrong feel free to quote the post. --- http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6938/vyqp.jpg DIPLOMACY <cite>ShyOx posted [p:958708656] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>He knew. He lied. The confusion is for his benefit. He's telling what his lawyer told him to say. If I'm wrong feel free to quote the post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/05/21 4:37:34 AM #3:	ShyOx posted... He knew. He lied. The He got to know X on Butterfly in November 2019. He said he was aware that lesbians use the app, but did not think men were banned. As for why he chose his sexual orientation as tomboy, Tsang said he could not log in if he did not choose one of the options. He knew tomboy means a boyish girl. Yeah , he knew. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:958708697] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>ShyOx posted... </cite> <quote>He knew. He lied. The</quote>He got to know X on Butterfly in November 2019. He said he was aware that lesbians use the app, but did not think men were banned. As for why he chose his sexual orientation as tomboy, Tsang said he could not log in if he did not choose one of the options. He knew tomboy means a boyish girl. Yeah , he knew. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 10/05/21 5:22:22 AM #4:	Sick fuck knew what he was exactly doing. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:958709191] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Sick fuck knew what he was exactly doing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 10/05/21 5:22:52 AM #5:	That's clearly rape. --- Good vibes only <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:958709199] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>That's clearly rape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 10/05/21 5:26:49 AM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... Tsang also told the jury that he did not put on any make up nor got into a dress in order to pretend to be woman. He testifed that when they were in the act, he asked X if she felt comfortable, and she said yes. He thought the answer means she agreed to the sex. But then X asked him what was inside her body, and he found the question strange. "I was thinking what could it be? I stopped the action," he said. When X started pushing him away, he thought the woman was upset because he did not wear a condom. X then told him: "You are a man? And you did not wear condom." This dude is shady and obviously knew what he was doing but this just bewilders me. The dude pretends to be a woman on a dating site to lure a lesbian woman into meeting him for sex, then...doesn't disguise himself at all, they have sex and he apparently worries about her comfort? Is this the world's most conscientious sex predator or something? --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:958709238] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> Tsang also told the jury that he did not put on any make up nor got into a dress in order to pretend to be woman. He testifed that when they were in the act, he asked X if she felt comfortable, and she said yes. He thought the answer means she agreed to the sex. But then X asked him what was inside her body, and he found the question strange. "I was thinking what could it be? I stopped the action," he said. When X started pushing him away, he thought the woman was upset because he did not wear a condom. X then told him: "You are a man? And you did not wear condom."</quote> This dude is shady and obviously knew what he was doing but this just bewilders me. The dude pretends to be a woman on a dating site to lure a lesbian woman into meeting him for sex, then...doesn't disguise himself at all, they have sex and he apparently worries about her comfort? Is this the world's most conscientious sex predator or something? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 10/05/21 5:36:37 AM #7:	I am confused about the mechanics here. Is it common for lesbian women to wear strap-ons and be ready for sex? Otherwise, the penis would be a dead giveaway. edit: I think the article does mention it. the translation was awkward. so he just stuck inside her without discussing it. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:958709330] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>I am confused about the mechanics here. Is it common for lesbian women to wear strap-ons and be ready for sex? Otherwise, the penis would be a dead giveaway. edit: I think the article does mention it. the translation was awkward. so he just stuck inside her without discussing it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/05/21 5:38:35 AM #8:	Someone on CE will find a way to defend this. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958709350] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Someone on CE will find a way to defend this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/05/21 5:39:32 AM #9:	He should get life in prison, he knew what the fuck he was doing. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958709363] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>He should get life in prison, he knew what the fuck he was doing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 10/05/21 5:44:22 AM #10:	Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT? --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:958709401] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigtiggie23 10/05/21 5:48:09 AM #11:	So he claimed he didn't know it was for gay women but he already had a female persona made up for the profile? --- Seeing people get defeated by a paper towel dispenser will always be hilarious. <cite>bigtiggie23 posted [p:958709444] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>So he claimed he didn't know it was for gay women but he already had a female persona made up for the profile?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/05/21 5:50:42 AM #12:	bigtiggie23 posted... So he claimed he didn't know it was for gay women but he already had a female persona made up for the profile? Where did you get that from? --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958709472] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>bigtiggie23 posted... </cite> <quote>So he claimed he didn't know it was for gay women but he already had a female persona made up for the profile?</quote>Where did you get that from? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 10/05/21 5:58:34 AM #13:	Shablagoo posted... Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT? You're wrong --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:958709582] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT?</quote> You're wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigtiggie23 10/05/21 5:59:29 AM #14:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Where did you get that from? First paragraph - Defendant said he didn't know the site was homosexual women only Fourth paragraph - Defendant described himself as tomboy named Jan You really think it was all spur of the moment or he had this in mind when he logged on? --- Seeing people get defeated by a paper towel dispenser will always be hilarious. <cite>bigtiggie23 posted [p:958709590] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote> Where did you get that from? </quote> First paragraph - Defendant said he didn't know the site was homosexual women only Fourth paragraph - Defendant described himself as tomboy named Jan You really think it was all spur of the moment or he had this in mind when he logged on?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/05/21 6:21:55 AM #15:	From what I gathered, he come up with the persona once he joined the website. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958709867] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>From what I gathered, he come up with the persona once he joined the website. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scamatoru 10/05/21 6:26:36 AM #16:	Shablagoo posted... Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT? aint you the china shill? --- nothing to see here <cite>scamatoru posted [p:958709920] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT?</quote>aint you the china shill? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/05/21 6:29:18 AM #17:	scamatoru posted... aint you the china shill? Shablagoo is a China shill --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958709947] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>scamatoru posted... </cite> <quote>aint you the china shill?</quote>Shablagoo is a China shill </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 10/05/21 6:38:08 AM #18:	Mr_Karate_II posted... He should get life in prison, he knew what the fuck he was doing. Life? Way too harsh for current standards. We dont even punish violent rapists with life. --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:958710042] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted... </cite> <quote>He should get life in prison, he knew what the fuck he was doing.</quote>Life? Way too harsh for current standards. We dont even punish violent rapists with life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/05/21 6:40:41 AM #19:	dj1200 posted... Life? Way too harsh for current standards. We dont even punish violent rapists with life. Nah,it's not too harsh. Rape by deception is very scummy and this sick fuck needs to be in prison for life. Keep him away from society. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958710062] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>dj1200 posted... </cite> <quote>Life? Way too harsh for current standards. We dont even punish violent rapists with life.</quote>Nah,it's not too harsh. Rape by deception is very scummy and this sick fuck needs to be in prison for life. Keep him away from society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 10/05/21 11:17:43 AM #20:	Lock him up. Pretending to be a different sexual orientation to trick someone is clearly rape --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:958719071] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Lock him up. Pretending to be a different sexual orientation to trick someone is clearly rape </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LincolnDuncan 10/05/21 11:34:21 AM #21:	Shablagoo posted... Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT? You're not wrong. It's perfectly fine for a woman, identifying as a lesbian, to have a penis. --- "I'm not a very nostalgic person, I neither have regrets nor occasions for self-congratulations." - Leonard Cohen <cite>LincolnDuncan posted [p:958720063] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT?</quote> You're not wrong. It's perfectly fine for a woman, identifying as a lesbian, to have a penis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 10/05/21 8:09:14 PM #22:	LincolnDuncan posted... You're not wrong. It's perfectly fine for a woman, identifying as a lesbian, to have a penis. The article reiterates multiple times that the guy does indeed consider himself a guy. His entire defense is that he claims he didn't realize the app he was using was intended solely for women, not that he is a woman. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:958740345] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>LincolnDuncan posted... </cite> <quote>You're not wrong. It's perfectly fine for a woman, identifying as a lesbian, to have a penis.</quote> The article reiterates multiple times that the guy does indeed consider himself a guy. His entire defense is that he claims he didn't realize the app he was using was intended solely for women, not that he is a woman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LincolnDuncan 10/05/21 10:24:38 PM #23:	Panthera posted... The article reiterates multiple times that the guy does indeed consider himself a guy. His entire defense is that he claims he didn't realize the app he was using was intended solely for women, not that he is a woman. I'm not seeing where I said the guy claimed to be a woman, but thanks for the input --- "I'm not a very nostalgic person, I neither have regrets nor occasions for self-congratulations." - Leonard Cohen <cite>LincolnDuncan posted [p:958745278] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Panthera posted... </cite> <quote>The article reiterates multiple times that the guy does indeed consider himself a guy. His entire defense is that he claims he didn't realize the app he was using was intended solely for women, not that he is a woman.</quote> I'm not seeing where I said the guy claimed to be a woman, but thanks for the input </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 10/05/21 10:30:23 PM #24:	Was he pretending to be a woman or is that how they identify? --- The Truth is the Truth <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:958745489] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Was he pretending to be a woman or is that how they identify? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pepys Monster 10/05/21 11:06:21 PM #26:	This reads like he called Saul Goodman and was coached on exactly what to say to get off the hook. --- Ryzen 3700X \| Evga GTX 1070 Ti \| 16GB DDR4 3200 \| Crucial MX500 2TB <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:958746632] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>This reads like he called Saul Goodman and was coached on exactly what to say to get off the hook. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 10/05/21 11:10:20 PM #27:	sabrestorm posted... Was he pretending to be a woman or is that how they identify? Maybe they're gender fluid and identified as a lesbian woman called Jan for a while. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:958746753] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>sabrestorm posted... </cite> <quote>Was he pretending to be a woman or is that how they identify?</quote> Maybe they're gender fluid and identified as a lesbian woman called Jan for a while. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weekoldhotdog 10/05/21 11:11:47 PM #28:	Unfairrepresent always be finding the strangest articles to share with the class... --- Y helo thar buttsecks <cite>weekoldhotdog posted [p:958746795] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Unfairrepresent always be finding the strangest articles to share with the class... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 10/05/21 11:18:53 PM #29:	gmanthebest posted... Lock him up. Pretending to be a different sexual orientation to trick someone is clearly rape it is but is there a law on the books confirming it is? --- The Truth is the Truth <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:958746992] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite> <quote>Lock him up. Pretending to be a different sexual orientation to trick someone is clearly rape</quote> it is but is there a law on the books confirming it is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 10/05/21 11:30:56 PM #30:	LincolnDuncan posted... I'm not seeing where I said the guy claimed to be a woman, but thanks for the input There's no transphobia involved. The guy doesn't claim to be a woman so he's clearly not transgender. No one here is saying it's impossible for transgender women to exist who haven't had surgery, people are addressing the fact that he's clearly identifying as male. Only one person even brought up the subject of a penis being a bit of a giveaway, and while it doesn't exactly rule out the person being female it's definitely a conversation point that you'd expect to bring that topic up naturally. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:958747305] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>LincolnDuncan posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not seeing where I said the guy claimed to be a woman, but thanks for the input</quote> There's no transphobia involved. The guy doesn't claim to be a woman so he's clearly not transgender. No one here is saying it's impossible for transgender women to exist who haven't had surgery, people are addressing the fact that he's clearly identifying as male. Only one person even brought up the subject of a penis being a bit of a giveaway, and while it doesn't exactly rule out the person being female it's definitely a conversation point that you'd expect to bring that topic up naturally. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/06/21 6:01:00 AM #31:	Pepys Monster posted... This reads like he called Saul Goodman and was coached on exactly what to say to get off the hook. That's because Saul is based on real scummy lawyers and lot of his legal advice is pretty realistic --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:958753478] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Pepys Monster posted... </cite> <quote>This reads like he called Saul Goodman and was coached on exactly what to say to get off the hook.</quote>That's because Saul is based on real scummy lawyers and lot of his legal advice is pretty realistic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zado19 10/06/21 6:20:39 AM #32:	This is wrong for sure but is it rape? I mean they would have had to have met, for at least some time.e before they got naked and started having sex... did he meet her in a dark room and she was already naked and ready? How weird The guy is just creepy though <cite>zado19 posted [p:958753657] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>This is wrong for sure but is it rape? I mean they would have had to have met, for at least some time.e before they got naked and started having sex... did he meet her in a dark room and she was already naked and ready? How weird The guy is just creepy though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 10/06/21 7:03:55 AM #33:	zado19 posted... This is wrong for sure but is it rape? I mean they would have had to have met, for at least some time.e before they got naked and started having sex... did he meet her in a dark room and she was already naked and ready? How weird The guy is just creepy though This is a shit take, it's rape. What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 4 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:958754185] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>zado19 posted... </cite> <quote>This is wrong for sure but is it rape? I mean they would have had to have met, for at least some time.e before they got naked and started having sex... did he meet her in a dark room and she was already naked and ready? How weird The guy is just creepy though</quote>This is a shit take, it's rape. What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 10/06/21 7:07:37 AM #34:	Shablagoo posted... Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT? Interesting tactic to try to deflect from a negative story out of China. <cite>Esrac posted [p:958754247] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Am I wrong or is there a lot of latent transphobia ITT?</quote> Interesting tactic to try to deflect from a negative story out of China. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/06/21 7:17:40 AM #35:	zado19 posted... This is wrong for sure but is it rape? yes zado19 posted... mean they would have had to have met, for at least some time.e before they got naked and started having sex... did Aww sweetie --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:958754393] in Man on tri... [t:79694494]...</cite> <quote>zado19 posted... </cite> <quote>This is wrong for sure but is it rape?</quote>yes zado19 posted... </cite> <quote>mean they would have had to have met, for at least some time.e before they got naked and started having sex... did</quote>Aww sweetie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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