Board 8 > ANTI-VAXX Woman Sobs UNCONTROLLABLY cause the HOSPITAL will let her DIE!!.

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56 y/o Leilani Lutali from Colorado sobbed uncontrollably when she learned her life saving kidney transplant was cancelled because she and her friend who is giving her her kidney are UNVACCINATED!!

She has stage 5 renal failure and was denied a new kidney because of their vaccination status

The University of Colorado Health Hospital sent a letter to her and her friend, 45 y/o Jaimee Fougner informing them that they could not get their transplant done because they were not vaccinated against COVID-19

She said "I feel coerced. I just feel like my life is being held in their hands in exchange for a shot, and the attitude is just take the shot"

Fougner says "Here i am, willing to be a direct donor to her. It does not affect any other patient on the transplant list. How can i sit here and allow them to murder my friend when i've got a perfectly good kidney and can save a life"

According to UCHealth, the majority of transplant recipients and living donors are now required to be vaccinated to avoid organ rejection...

The duo met late LAST YEAR during bible study and just a few months later, Fougner made the choice to give her kidney to her ailing friend

They both said they haven't got the vaccine for religions reasons and too many unknowns and do not trust Biden to give them an unproven vaccine that will cause DEVASTATING effects later in life...

They said they didn't know about this policy until it was too late as at the end of August they confirmed that there was no shot needed and fast forward to Sept 28 is when they found out it changed

They are now placed on a waiting list for non-compliant by not receiving a vaccine and have given them 30 days to begin the vaccination process before moving on

She said "I said i'll sign a medical waiver. I have to sign a waiver anyway for the transplant itself, releasing them from anything that could possibly go wrong. It's surgery, it's invasive, i sign a waiver for my life. I'm not sure why i can't sign a waiver for the covid shot. I want God to decide what he has in store for me"

US Republican Rep. Tim Geitner calls this incredibly frustrating and said and disgusting

The women say the RISKS of getting covid or even dying from covid does not bother them because they know God will tell them if they shall live to see another day or come to his kingdom.

An estimated 17 people die every day waiting for an organ and Leilani says "It's your choice on what treatment you have. My choice has ben taken and now we can't find any hospital who will take us"

Do you think it's fair to deny these women the transplant cause they're unvaccinated?..

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God already told one of these women her time is nigh. If getting a vaccine goes against god's will then so does an organ transplant. Anyone who claims they can't get a vaccine because it's against their religion certainly can't get an organ transplant.

Also, the argument that there is any religious precedent against vaccinations is bullshit. There is no organized religion established in the US that holds anti-vaccination as a tenet of faith. Even groups like the Christian Scientists who largely avoid vaccinations don't have it as a part of their organization's dogma. These aren't people following their god's commandments, they are all people making (bad) personal decisions and using religion as a cover for it.

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

These aren't people following their god's commandments, they are all people making (bad) personal decisions and using religion as a cover for it.

yup. if they actually use the bible at all to justify their beliefs, they just pick and choose verses that could possibly be interpreted as being anti-vaxx. even though you can just as easily point to a gazillion verses that can be interpreted as "you're a dumbass if you don't get vaccinated."

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Not getting vaccinated is a super dumb choice and I'd absolutely support not giving her a kidney that would otherwise go to someone else. If it's somebody who wants to donate specifically to her though this seems wrong to me.

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Full Throttle posted...

The women say the RISKS of getting covid or even dying from covid does not bother them because they know God will tell them if they shall live to see another day or come to his kingdom.

If stage 5 renal failure isn't God telling you to "come to his kingdom" what is?

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rip in peace

MZero posted...

If stage 5 renal failure isn't God telling you to "come to his kingdom" what is?

You don't understand, if she denies Him this then she'll be forced to endure DEVASTATING effects later in her very short life

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It's fair. Yes, there's a private donor so it's not like she's bumping anyone off the list. But after the transplant, she'll have to take immunosuppressants, which will increase her chances of infection.

Does Colorado have Justifiable Homicide?

There's only one valid reason to refuse a vaccine - if it would cause harm to you. People who have immunodeficiency of some variety, people with allergic reactions to the vaccine, and people who had the COVID in the past eight months and already have antibodies are all able to justify this. The last category can receive a booster shot at a later date like the rest of us.

The religious nuts refusing the vaccine often act on misinformation regarding dead babies and scientific nonsense. The ones who say "the vaccine kills people" are the WORST because like five people have died from it - considerably fewer than the 80,000 Americans who at least partly died from COVID. There's a reason I ignored all of that and got both my shots in April. I have no respect for anyone who waited past June to get their first dose unless they fall into the categories in my first paragraph.

I hope they make an example out of this nutcase. If she wants a transplant so bad, perhaps she should go to another state that may accept her, if she can find one. (If she'd had COVID before, she could be able to test out of vaccine requirement with an antibody test the same way you can with chicken pox.)
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Full Throttle posted...

The women say the RISKS of getting covid or even dying from covid does not bother them because they know God will tell them if they shall live to see another day or come to his kingdom

Gotta love how this doesnt apply to the risks of getting the vaccine.

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I don't agree with refusing vaccines arbitrarily but being upset that you're going to die soon because the hospital is unwilling to treat you, even for a good reason, is uh, very understandable.

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If she won't get a vaccine, why would the hospital believe that she would take the anti-rejection medicine after the surgery?

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Full Throttle posted...

They both said they haven't got the vaccine for religions reasons and too many unknowns and do not trust Biden

Ah yes I remember the passage in the bible that said not to trust Biden

Especially funny given that the vaccine didn't even come out during his presidency

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Johnbobb posted...

Ah yes I remember the passage in the bible that said not to trust Biden

Especially funny given that the vaccine didn't even come out during his presidency

Well he is the Antichrist

I assume someone says that about like every president now

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BlueCrystalTear posted...

I hope they make an example out of this nutcase. If she wants a transplant so bad, perhaps she should go to another state that may accept her, if she can find one. (If she'd had COVID before, she could be able to test out of vaccine requirement with an antibody test the same way you can with chicken pox.)

I think that the desire to be vindictive (as demonstrated here) is what drives a lot of these mandates and laws requiring vaccination. The vaccine works and is safe, so I'm not arguing against that. But what's the worst case that's going to happen to this lady? She gets COVID and dies? It's not like she's using up a kidney that could be used for someone else anyhow.

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Voted no. I think her position is absurd and I am incredibly against the idiots who rail against their freedom to remain anti-vaxx. But without more information on why the hospital refused the surgery, it seems silly to think that a non-COVID-related procedure would be impacted by her lack of a vaccine.

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The issue is that you need to have all your vaccines up to date in order to get any sort of organ transplant, not just the COVID vaccine. The ethical basis is that removing a kidney from another person is harming them, and thus there is need to maximize the odds of a good outcome for the transplant so that net harm isn't caused by the procedure. I suspect this is also a legal issue, but it's definitely a medical ethics one.

If this is such a problem for them they can fly to Thailand or something and get it done

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trizob posted...

I think that the desire to be vindictive (as demonstrated here) is what drives a lot of these mandates and laws requiring vaccination. The vaccine works and is safe, so I'm not arguing against that. But what's the worst case that's going to happen to this lady? She gets COVID and dies? It's not like she's using up a kidney that could be used for someone else anyhow.

She gets COVID, then takes up a spot in the ICU. Someone else, vaccinated, needs the ICU and dies because they can't get a procedure they needed because the ICU was filled.

Thta's EXACTLY what happened to my cousin. She needed a procedure for an issue totally unrelated to COVID. She was vaccinated. They delayed getting her into the ICU because they were full. By the time she was admitted to the ICU 5 days later, it was too late to do the procedure and she died.