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Crescent-Moon posted...

And lack of trust is why I didn't consider taking the Browns.

I don't trust them to win a game like that. They had chances to close it out and they couldn't. That game may as well have gone as I expected.

So you trusted... the Chargers?

I'm starting to believe in Staley

balls of steel

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basically operates as a punt

but the Bills get bailed out by roughing the passer now too

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Well were even though so thats cool

Always love when the announcers are openly mocking the rules

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NFL referees are so fucking terrible. Always.

Just want one game where they aren't the talking point pls

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hey don't worry baseball had a worse day than the NFL today

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Im starting to think Engage Eight doesnt work in real life

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Paratroopa1 posted...

So you trusted... the Chargers?

The Chargers under Herbert have gotten much better at winning close games. The ghost of Philip Rivers still just haunts the memories of the fandom.

Yes, they have that mess of a loss to the Cowboys, but they have an even better win at KC. They're a better team than the Browns with a better quarterback. The Browns have not proven they can win that kind of game, "cursed franchise" or not.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

The Chargers under Herbert have gotten much better at winning close games.

this year

they were still very much the Chargers last year

but Staley is the first coach who is aware of his team's history and is actively working to counteract it

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that's a drive the best team in the league makes

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The good thing is the Chiefs have their easiest 3 game stretch of the season starting next week and if we win those three were still a playoff team as long as we can handle the Broncos and Raiders

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Let me sum up my trust level in this Browns team:

They had a ridiculously easy schedule last year, but through 15 weeks I never suicide picked them. This year, I got rid of them as early as possible.

I see them as a team talented enough to beat anyone, but inconsistent enough to lose to anyone. This team lost to the Jets last year, and barely escaped the Jags, among other rubbish. I don't feel confidence when I'm picking games that involve this team, but if they're playing a high level team? I have faith in them that they won't pull it through.

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Dr_Football posted...

The good thing is the Chiefs have their easiest 3 game stretch of the season starting next week

wow rude

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LeonhartFour posted...

this year

they were still very much the Chargers last year

but Staley is the first coach who is aware of his team's history and is actively working to counteract it

You mean a team that won it's last four games, including three in a row by exactly 3 points?

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Listen you get squeezed between WFT and the Giants its going to be the easiest stretch

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Crescent-Moon posted...

You mean a team that won it's last four games, including three in a row by exactly 3 points?

and lost 7 one-score games in a row prior to that so they still come out with a losing record in close games

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By the way that would have been the easiest targeting call in college football history

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and that should do it

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LeonhartFour posted...

and lost 7 one-score games in a row prior to that so they still come out with a losing record in close games

And this matters, why?

It's almost like Herbert got better than he started as he gained game experience and helped a team figure out how to win despite having a lame duck coach.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

And this matters, why?

Because those games count just as much as the games at the end.

Like yeah, you can say Herbert started putting it together at the end, but that 4 game win streak was preceded by losing 45-0 to New England.

This is a different team. It feels different.

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But really the concept of trusting the Browns more than the Chargers based on the pre-Herbert Chargers when this Browns team has done absolutely nothing is madness.

I still think the Chargers messed up that one play, but I'm not surprised that the Browns did absolutely nothing with it but 3-5 yard passes down the middle of the field.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Because those games count just as much as the games at the end.

Like yeah, you can say Herbert starting putting it together at the end, but that 4 game win streak was preceded by losing 45-0 to New England.

This is a different team. It feels different.

I honestly think that could have good for the Chargers. Their season was already "over" .It shouldn't have gotten anywhere near that ugly, but they lost their discipline and imploded. Lotta good film came out of that one.

That game was something of a wake up call.

The Chargers are a team that is steadily learning how to close, and it dates back to last year. If this team can learn to do it consistently they can beat anyone.

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Speaking of learning how to close, the Jaguars are on 20 straight losses but arguably let.. 5? 6? Of those games completely get away.

Like when they had an entire quarter to make 1 good play against the Bengals and never did. The announcers were even calling them out on it.

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Yeah, some of those games were winnable (including one against the Titans last year! There's always one, so I'm already dreading the second game against Jacksonville). That's the benefit of experience and coaching. I think the Chargers know Staley believes in them, and they're thriving off of it.

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After getting absolutely massacred last week, I got those fuckers this time around.

I hit them on Bills/Chiefs halftime over 28.5

I hit them on over 56.5

I hit them on UNDER 65.5 which was a live bet.

Got everything back from last Sunday and then some. They even tried calling Zeus to get the game cancelled coz they knew what was going on

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Bills won by 18, and this lowered their average point differential.


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LeonhartFour posted...

Like yeah, you can say Herbert started putting it together at the end, but that 4 game win streak was preceded by losing 45-0 to New England.

Remember that Belicheck's specialty as a coach is essentially just gameplanning one guy out of the game. He always does that shit to rookie QBs in particular, too. Wilson saw similar frustrations earlier this year, even if the score wasn't quite as lopsided.

too bad he didn't utilize that strategy on star rookie QB Davis Mills yesterday

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Belichick can def scheme people out of a game but it's a double edged sword. He banks on the opposing QB taking what he gives them, so for example last week he faced a QB that fits that perfectly, Brady only took what was given and if it wasn't for the rain that would not have been a close game. Against rookies and meme QBs who don't know any better, they throw into double and even triple coverage, if it works they end up with huge games against Belichick. He can't out scheme talent, he can only hope the opposing QB is dumb enough to play his 4D chess and not trust his WRs' talent.

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LeonhartFour posted...

too bad he didn't utilize that strategy on star rookie QB Davis Mills yesterday

Nah, just took Cooks out instead to force Mills to make stuff happen with the literally whos that make up the rest of that WR room

Man I hope you'd be able to appreciate the Belichick game plan against the Buccs more than blaming it on the rain. That was good stuff.

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The Patriots having a letdown after that Tampa game wasn't surprising.

Houston still not being good enough to put the game away when they had the chance also wasn't surprising.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1447596721350000644

I like how Jimmy G is in the bottom left corner all by himself on that second chart

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Also we very nearly had a scorigami in Browns/Chargers.

47-42 has only happened one other time, and it was last year in Browns/Ravens, the infamous Lamar Jackson poop game.

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neonreaper posted...

Man I hope you'd be able to appreciate the Belichick game plan against the Buccs more than blaming it on the rain. That was good stuff.

If we played them again in neutral weather conditions, even with Gilmore we would probably lose again. They also didn't have Gronk, Brady's most trusted receiver, that can probably catch a ball in the endzone.

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sux that it only rained when TB had the ball and their lone good receiver was injured

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(I think the Pats are 5-12 this year fwiw, they are not good enough)

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Leonhart4 posted...

Also we very nearly had a scorigami in Browns/Chargers.

47-42 has only happened one other time, and it was last year in Browns/Ravens, the infamous Lamar Jackson poop game.

Browns

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Leonhart4 posted...

Also we very nearly had a scorigami in Browns/Chargers.

47-42 has only happened one other time, and it was last year in Browns/Ravens, the infamous Lamar Jackson poop game.

If the kicker had just made the XP then we had a REALLY good chance, I think the 42-42 tie and the 49-42 inevitable score were both scorigamis

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oh wow the Titans have a positive point differential now at +2

class of the AFC South baby

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I swear the Ravens are useless

can't you just beat the Colts and make things a bit easier for us

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good lord do the Ravens suck

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lol gruden

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grude boy wasn't big enough I guess

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It was really Tony dungy's team in 2002 anyway

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Sounds like there's a lot of stuff about to come out on Gruden.

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I feel like this maybe counted as a breach or something and Vegas saw a way to get out of that ridiculous contract


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Gruden fired. Huh.

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xp1337 posted...

Sounds like there's a lot of stuff about to come out on Gruden.

oh nevermind it already has

jfc

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/sports/football/what-did-jon-gruden-say.html

Seriously, just read it. E-Mails ranging from 2011-2018. NFL obtained them during their investigation of the WFT (they were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the team) and it is a lot. About damn near every topic you can imagine.

legit unsure if i'd get modded just for citing some of it directly here

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colliding posted...

I feel like this maybe counted as a breach or something and Vegas saw a way to get out of that ridiculous contract

I kind of suspect this too, but there's a problem I see here.

Gruden was not an NFL employee when that email was written. Can they punish him to that degree for something from 10 years ago when he wasn't part of the NFL?

'Cause if I'm Gruden my next call is to my lawyer seeing how much money I can still get out of this.

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