Current Events > Dear White People's showrunner boycotts Netflix over Dave Chappelle's trans joke

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BeantownHero posted...

have there been any comments from any of the series black showrunners?

Oh, are we approaching the part where we pit black people against trans people?

Esrac posted...

Oh, are we approaching the part where we pit black people against trans people?

I mean, the poster who responded to was the one to post the shows black showrunners. I was just curious if they were taking the same position

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radical rhino posted...

The fact that the Dear White People showrunner is white is the biggest outrage here.

One of five executive producers, to be precise. Three of the others, including the series creator and director of the original film and 15 episodes of the show, are black.

The show seems to have a pretty solid reputation, as does the movie, though naturally both have dedicated hate campaigns.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Yeah, that's what stand-up comedy is... a series of statements laced with ill-intent, and totally not jokes meant to be... you know, jokes.

But what are the jokes? Entertainment generates a certain emotion for reasons. A comedy isn't funny just because it's comedy. God, no wonder people find shit like Paul Blart funny. They're just clapping monkeys laughing because others are laughing because comedy is funny.

That's no different than the Hollywood Foreign Press circlejerking some award bait just because it's topical and trying to make them cry.

Things have meaning. You consume the entertainment and it generates an emotion and a reaction for a reason.

What is the message that is being conveyed that is funny. What is the absurdity? Why are we pretending that comedy has never been appraised. Acting like jokes are just random combinations of words that magically generate laughter? If everyone doesn't have to find a movie to be sad because it's trying to be sad, then a comedy isn't funny to everyone just because it's a comedy.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

But what are the jokes? Entertainment generates a certain emotion for reasons. A comedy isn't funny just because it's comedy. God, no wonder people find shit like Paul Blart funny. They're just clapping monkeys laughing because others are laughing because comedy is funny.

That's no different than the Hollywood Foreign Press circlejerking some award bait just because it's topical and trying to make them cry.

Things have meaning. You consume the entertainment and it generates an emotion and a reaction for a reason.

What is the message that is being conveyed that is funny. What is the absurdity? Why are we pretending that comedy has never been appraised. Acting like jokes are just random combinations of words that magically generate laughter? If everyone doesn't have to find a movie to be sad because it's trying to be sad, then a comedy isn't funny to everyone just because it's a comedy.

Don't bother with VD, he's just upset that minorities are considered people.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

God, no wonder people find shit like Paul Blart funny.

excuse me have you actually seen paul blart?

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I4NRulez posted...

how can a show have 5 showrunners lol.

Seems like it would be huge conflict of ideas.

It's not uncommon especially for Netflix productions. And you can see they're all listed on the IMDB page.
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DrizztLink posted...

Don't bother with VD, he's just upset that minorities are considered people.

It's not just him, though. Every time someone says something questionable in comedy, we start pretending that all comedy is just meaningless nothing and people laugh because... magic or some shit.

If someone asks me why I find something funny, I can explain to them why. Shit triggers an emotion in you for a reason. Comedy is no different than any other medium in that regard. You are laughing for a specific reason

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

How is calling trans women men not outright hatred?

Please, point out where Dave called trans women men.

Ill wait.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Please, point out where Dave called trans women men.

Ill wait.

People are laughing because they agree with what Dave is saying, whether or not they even care what he personally believes. It's like laughing at blackface in Sunny because racial stereotypes are funny and true and not because it's absurd and the characters are assholes.

How many times do we have to hear that a comedian is "saying what we're all thinking" before we figure out why a lot of people find offensive thing funny?

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Netflix and Chapelle hearing about this boycott:
https://c.tenor.com/_BIfNDiEmNQAAAAd/crying-wiping-tears-with-money.gif

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

People are laughing because they agree with what Dave is saying, whether or not they even care what he personally believes. It's like laughing at blackface in Sunny because racial stereotypes are funny and not because it's absurd.

How many times do we have to hear that a comedian is "saying what we're all thinking" because we figure out why a lot of people find offensive thing funny?

I think the "problem" with Chappelle's recent standup specials is that people are misinterpreting his jokes, and his specials contain subjects that are easily misinterpreted to cause harm. But that's not really his fault that's the audience.

In this special he tried to "get his story straight" (and it's one of the better "comedian defending himself" style stand ups even though it's an awful trend that needs to fucking die already) and I think he does a decent job. I think yanking one line out of his special and painting him as transphobic or a TERF does more harm than good tbh. I know TERFs and transphobes (irl and they're all fucking atrocious people) of all kinds and they wouldn't speak about the trans community in any kind way at all. They don't even view trans people as people at all. Watering down these terms to include someone like Chappelle is bad imo. Now we have the TERFs and transphobes defending him only because people are calling him out for being transphobic when he clearly isn't. This whole discourse has transcended the content of the special at this point.

At the end of the day he's comparing the trans experience (or moreso the LGBTQ experience) to the black American experience but it all basically boils down to white people. And he makes decent points.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

It's not uncommon especially for Netflix productions. And you can see they're all listed on the IMDB page.

I IMDBed the whitest TV show* I could think of, and it also happens to have five executive producers**. Yeah, having multiple executive producers is probably fairly common.

*Full House
**They are also all white lulz

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I think the "problem" with Chappelle's recent standup specials is that people are misinterpreting his jokes, and his specials contain subjects that are easily misinterpreted to cause harm. But that's not really his fault that's the audience.

In this special he tried to "get his story straight" (and it's one of the better "comedian defending himself" style stand ups even though it's an awful trend that needs to fucking die already) and I think he does a decent job. I think yanking one line out of his special and painting him as transphobic or a TERF does more harm than good tbh. I know TERFs and transphobes (irl and they're all fucking atrocious people) of all kinds and they wouldn't speak about the trans community in any kind way at all. They don't even view trans people as people at all. Watering down these terms to include someone like Chappelle is bad imo. Now we have the TERFs and transphobes defending him only because people are calling him out for being transphobic when he clearly isn't. This whole discourse has transcended the content of the special at this point.

At the end of the day he's comparing the trans experience (or moreso the LGBTQ experience) to the black American experience but it all basically boils down to white people. And he makes decent points.

Saying the LGBTQ community is punching down on the black community is pretty fucked up and now we have a bunch of right-wing shitheads suddenly supporting a black man playing "oppression olympics". Not because they give a fuck about Dave or the black community's struggles, but because they hate LGBT people even more.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Saying the LGBTQ community is punching down on the black community is pretty fucked up

I mean yeah it's a pretty fucked up thing to say, until you look at racism within the LGBTQ community. Which he brings up as well. Obviously there are issues within both communities concerning eachother that need to be addressed, and he also talks about that.

Again, just pulling things out of context obviously make his special seem a lot worse than it was. None of his standup specials have been anti-LGBTQ.
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Oh no!

Anyway...
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Vicious_Dios posted...

Yeah, that's what stand-up comedy is... a series of statements laced with ill-intent, and totally not jokes meant to be... you know, jokes.

Except dumb dumbs, including many on CE, get their views on social issues from comedians

Smashingpmkns posted...

I mean yeah it's a pretty fucked up thing to say, until you look at racism within the LGBTQ community. Which he brings up as well. Obviously there are issues within both communities concerning eachother that need to be addressed, and he also talks about that.

Again, just pulling things out of context obviously make his special seem a lot worse than it was. None of his standup specials have been anti-LGBTQ.

Saying a trans person is doing black face is not anti-trans. News to me

CruelBuffalo posted...

Saying a trans person is doing black face is not anti-trans. News to me

I think that's out of context. When I read the quotes on it he said that's how TERFs see MtF trans people.

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I4NRulez posted...

I think that's out of context. When I read the quotes on it he said that's how TERFs see MtF trans people.

Lebronwon posted...

At one point, Chappelle said he was "team TERF,"

CruelBuffalo posted...

Saying a trans person is doing black face is not anti-trans. News to me

Iirc he said that is how someone like JK Rowling views trans people, not that is how he views trans people. And he only said "I'm team TERF" as a set up to make a joke about Caitlyn Jenner. The rest of the transgender part of his set was the opposite of what TERFs believe.
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Lebronwon posted...

Moore, whose Netflix series "Dear White People" has just concluded its run, tweeted that she "will not work with [Netflix]

Good riddance? At least one positive thing came out of a Chappelle special.

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monkmith posted...

a guy from a show i've never heard of is boycotting because of a comic that's been shit for over a decade...

i love social media drama.

I wonder how nobody in this topic noticed this person calling Jaclyn Moore a man

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https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Dear%20White%20People%22&vertical=trends&t=fMQZohKj8TyA0HAaBYSvrQ&s=09

when you try to start a boycott, but accidentally start a conversation on who is actually creating black entertainment instead

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Attention seeking person seeks attention on twitter

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radical rhino posted...

The fact that the Dear White People showrunner is white is the biggest outrage here.

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That's the most ugly person i have seen in my life.

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Lol.

Chappelle's performance was a masterpiece. He came up and began a strong discussion about the hypocrisy of the movements of recent years in stark contrast to the movement in which black people still have today

His issue, like always has been, is the racial issue that empowers many and depowers many as well.

To go and drag his last piece as anything less than thought provacting is nonsense and shows your blinders, intolerance and insensitivity is greater than the powers you seem to be fighting against.

How was he wrong about Caitlyn Jenner winning woman of the year her first year and that not being problematic. Same goes with people taking issue with Dababy's LGBTQ comments over the fact he has been accused of murdering an actual human being.

Like, everyone wants to everyone to be sensitive, but then picks and chooses what should be given precedence. And Dave, in full display, showed how impactful race still is in this country whether we like to admit or not.

This was not be any means one of his best comedic performance in terms of laughs and punchlines but it was a masterful display of a guy making a point and people still showing that their intolerance is greater than rationale.

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"Everyone had to pass through the legs of a woman to get here, gender is a fact"
Is this what has people pissed? That was the only moment in the special, besides the story at the end, that sounded like it couldve been intended to be taken seriously, and that opinion was the prevailing one in society until only very recently. "Trans women are women" is also an idea that hasn't been sold to the public very well and with nothing backing it up as justify the need to shift perspective besides the fear of being labeled a bigot and being harassed by lunatics on Twitter. Even if he legitimately doesn't believe trans women are women that doesn't make him a monster

Oh well, people no longer understand comedy, go on and continue to get offended by the intentionally offensive comedian then drag another trans woman on Twitter until she kills herself, clearly it's the jokes that are harmful and not the unholy army of lunatics on Twitter (btw the only real problem I have with his routine is that he thinks it's the actual trans community attacking him when it's actually a very diverse group of idiots)

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Gohan187 posted...

Lol.

Chappelle's performance was a masterpiece. He came up and began a strong discussion about the hypocrisy of the movements of recent years in stark contrast to the movement in which black people still have today

His issue, like always has been, is the racial issue that empowers many and depowers many as well.

To go and drag his last piece as anything less than thought provacting is nonsense and shows your blinders, intolerance and insensitivity is greater than the powers you seem to be fighting against.

How was he wrong about Caitlyn Jenner winning woman of the year her first year and that not being problematic. Same goes with people taking issue with Dababy's LGBTQ comments over the fact he has been accused of murdering an actual human being.

Like, everyone wants to everyone to be sensitive, but then picks and chooses what should be given precedence. And Dave, in full display, showed how impactful race still is in this country whether we like to admit or not.

This was not be any means one of his best comedic performance in terms of laughs and punchlines but it was a masterful display of a guy making a point and people still showing that their intolerance is greater than rationale.

Everyone isn't like that though and it's telling that people who roll their eyes at Black Lives Matter and vote for homophobes are the loudest people going "Yeah black people are still discriminated against! And it's the white gays' fault!" They can't even be consistent on whether or not comedy cam be a social commentary.

Not saying that's you, but an observation.

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Gohan187 posted...

Lol.

Chappelle's performance was a masterpiece. He came up and began a strong discussion about the hypocrisy of the movements of recent years in stark contrast to the movement in which black people still have today

His issue, like always has been, is the racial issue that empowers many and depowers many as well.

To go and drag his last piece as anything less than thought provacting is nonsense and shows your blinders, intolerance and insensitivity is greater than the powers you seem to be fighting against.

How was he wrong about Caitlyn Jenner winning woman of the year her first year and that not being problematic. Same goes with people taking issue with Dababy's LGBTQ comments over the fact he has been accused of murdering an actual human being.

Like, everyone wants to everyone to be sensitive, but then picks and chooses what should be given precedence. And Dave, in full display, showed how impactful race still is in this country whether we like to admit or not.

This was not be any means one of his best comedic performance in terms of laughs and punchlines but it was a masterful display of a guy making a point and people still showing that their intolerance is greater than rationale.

These extreme libs are just reverse Trumpers and they dont even know it. Divorced from reality

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BeantownHero posted...

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Dear%20White%20People%22&vertical=trends&t=fMQZohKj8TyA0HAaBYSvrQ&s=09

when you try to start a boycott, but accidentally start a conversation on who is actually creating black entertainment instead

There are two wolves inside me. One is a communist. The other is a misanthrope.

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It's disingenuous to only harp on trans people and liberals that are offended and completely ignore those that are taking Dave's words seriously and using this controversy to justify their shitty worldview on the LGBTQ community. It is not ridiculous to believe that there are people laughing because Dave told "the truth". Why aren't we worried about their misinterpretation.

If Tucker Carlson or Laura Ingraham talk about this to their viewers, it's gonna be millions of people nodding along "Yes, one of the good ones recognizes how dangerous the gays are". Those people are more of a problem. Dave Chappelle is not gonna get canceled, but idiots will vote for the bigots that have been passing so many anti-trans bills recently.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Even if he legitimately doesn't believe trans women are women that doesn't make him a monster

Denying someone's existence is typically frowned upon in non-monster circles.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Iirc he said that is how someone like JK Rowling views trans people, not that is how he views trans people. And he only said "I'm team TERF" as a set up to make a joke about Caitlyn Jenner. The rest of the transgender part of his set was the opposite of what TERFs believe.

Ill have to watch and see. Waiting for the mayhem to die down to go in fresh

DrizztLink posted...

Denying someone's existence is typically frowned upon in non-monster circles.

Seriously, it is good that Dave was doing a bit or otherwise he'd just be a horrible asshole mocking people he hates for things they can't control

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DrizztLink posted...

Denying someone's existence is typically frowned upon in non-monster circles.

Not believing a trans woman and cis woman aren't completely equivalent is not denying that they are people. Again, that's a very new idea that hasn't been sold so much as it has been forced. It's an idea I agree with for ideological reasons but I don't take it like a religion and accuse all nonbelievers of devil worship. Point is, it needs to be sold to the public in an easily palatable way, attacking comedians is not the way to do it obviously (or at least it should be...)

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

People are laughing because they agree with what Dave is saying, whether or not they even care what he personally believes. It's like laughing at blackface in Sunny because racial stereotypes are funny and true and not because it's absurd and the characters are assholes.

How many times do we have to hear that a comedian is "saying what we're all thinking" before we figure out why a lot of people find offensive thing funny?

I laughed at his comments and I believe trans women should be labeled as women and trans men should be labeled as men. I believe the NC bathroom laws were Draconian and shouldnt ever be enforced, no matter how many pearls people clutch at.

So again, where did Dave say trans women arent women. Because he clearly said he doesnt believe that phrase.

Which is why almost everyone topic about this, I post that most of the people complaining are just proving his point.
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MiIkMan posted...

It's ok to make fun of anybody as long as it's not outright hatred.

I agree. Just make fun of everybody equally without any hatred, and things should be fine
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Leftist puritans at heir best.

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Good news for Netflix tbh

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

I laughed at his comments and I believe trans women should be labeled as women and trans men should be labeled as men. I believe the NC bathroom laws were Draconian and shouldnt ever be enforced, no matter how many pearls people clutch at.

So again, where did Dave say trans women arent women. Because he clearly said he doesnt believe that phrase.

Which is why almost everyone topic about this, I post that most of the people complaining are just proving his point.

But why won't we address the transphobes who think he's proving their point? They have more opportunity to do harm than anyone canceling Dave Chappelle.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Not believing a trans woman and cis woman aren't completely equivalent is not denying that they are people. Again, that's a very new idea that hasn't been sold so much as it has been forced. It's an idea I agree with for ideological reasons but I don't take it like a religion and accuse all nonbelievers of devil worship. Point is, it needs to be sold to the public in an easily palatable way, attacking comedians is not the way to do it obviously (or at least it should be...)

Whoever taught people that everything is an opinion and there are no right answers needs to be stared at with disappointment. Society has never been tolerant of all opinions. Laws make that impossible. Besides, human rights and acceptance can't wait for any man. They must be achieved with quickness. Lives depend on it.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

But why won't we address the transphobes who think he's proving their point? They have more opportunity to do harm than anyone canceling Dave Chappelle.

The people canceling Dave Chappelle contributed to a trans woman's suicide, I'd say it's unwise to underestimate the harm an angry mob of lunatics can cause just because you agree with some of what they say. But yes, we should also be addressing the transphobes who are also twisting his jokes into something sinister, the sick identity politics of the right is certainly equally worthy of condemnation.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

lmao
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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Whoever taught people that everything is an opinion and there are no right answers needs to be stared at with disappointment. Society has never been tolerant of all opinions. Laws make that impossible. Besides, human rights and acceptance can't wait for any man. They must be achieved with quickness. Lives depend on it.

Societal change that happens too quickly creates a lot of friction, this is natural, but if mishandled that friction will produce fire that does nothing but destroy. You can't just force hundreds of millions of people to change their beliefs, unfortunately you actually have to convince them which no one is even trying to do

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sevihaimerej posted...

Societal change that happens too quickly creates a lot of friction, this is natural, but if mishandled that friction will produce fire that does nothing but destroy. You can't just force hundreds of millions of people to change their beliefs, unfortunately you actually have to convince them which no one is even trying to do

Tough? Not my responsibility to explain to people why they are wrong to view trans people as subhuman filth. Some of us manage it just fine without a 12 step plan while people suffer. Have you seen the world? You can give people hard data and they'll tell you to shut up while they vote in politicians to hide the data for the rest of their lives.

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