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_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 7:15:59 PM #102:	sevihaimerej posted... The people canceling Dave Chappelle contributed to a trans woman's suicide, I'd say it's unwise to underestimate the harm an angry mob of lunatics can cause just because you agree with some of what they say. But yes, we should also be addressing the transphobes who are also twisting his jokes into something sinister, the sick identity politics of the right is certainly equally worthy of condemnation. That's fair --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958842866] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>The people canceling Dave Chappelle contributed to a trans woman's suicide, I'd say it's unwise to underestimate the harm an angry mob of lunatics can cause just because you agree with some of what they say. But yes, we should also be addressing the transphobes who are also twisting his jokes into something sinister, the sick identity politics of the right is certainly equally worthy of condemnation.</quote>That's fair </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 10/08/21 7:20:17 PM #103:	_HayleyWilliams posted... But why won't we address the transphobes who think he's proving their point? They have more opportunity to do harm than anyone canceling Dave Chappelle. I mean, I never said you couldnt. There was none of this outrage when he told jokes about other minorities and about how it proves racists points. idk why these jokes that arent hur dur trans are gross and not the gender they identify as arent allowed because of just reasons. Its like I saw someone complain about the I knew your father and he was a wonderful woman joke in another thread. Like its not a bigoted joke. Daphne was the technical father of the child, when her daughter was born, and was a wonderful woman in Daves eyes. And youre also forgetting the harm some in the trans community have done online to others. Some dragged Daphne for defending Dave after one of his previous specials and like a week later, she killed herself. Not saying the dragging led to her killing herself, but as Dave said, it likely didnt help. Like I said earlier, just listening to sound bites or reading what he said or even just partial clips dont do the entire act justice because youre missing on the context, how he presented it, etc. Yeah, I thought the Im team TERF joke was extremely dumb no matter what followed for the sound bite alone, but it wasnt as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Still wish he never said that though and changed that joke for a better lead-in. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:958843001] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted...</cite> <quote> But why won't we address the transphobes who think he's proving their point? They have more opportunity to do harm than anyone canceling Dave Chappelle. </quote> I mean, I never said you couldnt. There was none of this outrage when he told jokes about other minorities and about how it proves racists points. idk why these jokes that arent hur dur trans are gross and not the gender they identify as arent allowed because of just reasons. Its like I saw someone complain about the I knew your father and he was a wonderful woman joke in another thread. Like its not a bigoted joke. Daphne was the technical father of the child, when her daughter was born, and was a wonderful woman in Daves eyes. And youre also forgetting the harm some in the trans community have done online to others. Some dragged Daphne for defending Dave after one of his previous specials and like a week later, she killed herself. Not saying the dragging led to her killing herself, but as Dave said, it likely didnt help. Like I said earlier, just listening to sound bites or reading what he said or even just partial clips dont do the entire act justice because youre missing on the context, how he presented it, etc. Yeah, I thought the Im team TERF joke was extremely dumb no matter what followed for the sound bite alone, but it wasnt as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Still wish he never said that though and changed that joke for a better lead-in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/08/21 7:31:19 PM #104:	sevihaimerej posted... Not believing a trans woman and cis woman aren't completely equivalent is not denying that they are people. "You know that thing that is pretty central to your identity and may or may not get you killed? Yeah, I'm going to tell you that it's not real but I totally respect you as a person." --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958843346] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Not believing a trans woman and cis woman aren't completely equivalent is not denying that they are people.</quote>"You know that thing that is pretty central to your identity and may or may not get you killed? Yeah, I'm going to tell you that it's not real but I totally respect you as a person." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 10/08/21 7:34:36 PM #105:	Flauros posted... Any pics of the show writers of dear white people? --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/PmX8smn https://imgur.com/mwTy0iF https://imgur.com/FCER80e <cite>Middle hope posted [p:958843450] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Flauros posted... </cite> <quote>Any pics of the show writers of dear white people?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 10/08/21 8:07:03 PM #106:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Tough? Not my responsibility to explain to people why they are wrong to view trans people as subhuman filth. Some of us manage it just fine without a 12 step plan while people suffer. Have you seen the world? You can give people hard data and they'll tell you to shut up while they vote in politicians to hide the data for the rest of their lives. It's EVERYONE'S responsibility (or at least those that actually care) to fight for the truth and a better life for all, but that doesn't mean that strategy isn't important. If it could save lives, even if it's extremely difficult it's worth it to me to try to convince people of what I believe to be a very beneficial set of truths to spread. Convincing people isn't difficult, gaining their trust is as well as destroying their trust in the folks filling their heads with corrosive ideas. No one actually chooses what they believe, they believe what they experience. Guide people to better experiences, stop attacking and demonizing every different opinion as every attack hardens that opinion until it's a fucking diamond and the Nazis sell those diamonds and build gundams and then we're all essentially fucked....okay I went too far into that metaphor lol --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:958844458] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Tough? Not my responsibility to explain to people why they are wrong to view trans people as subhuman filth. Some of us manage it just fine without a 12 step plan while people suffer. Have you seen the world? You can give people hard data and they'll tell you to shut up while they vote in politicians to hide the data for the rest of their lives.</quote>It's EVERYONE'S responsibility (or at least those that actually care) to fight for the truth and a better life for all, but that doesn't mean that strategy isn't important. If it could save lives, even if it's extremely difficult it's worth it to me to try to convince people of what I believe to be a very beneficial set of truths to spread. Convincing people isn't difficult, gaining their trust is as well as destroying their trust in the folks filling their heads with corrosive ideas. No one actually chooses what they believe, they believe what they experience. Guide people to better experiences, stop attacking and demonizing every different opinion as every attack hardens that opinion until it's a fucking diamond and the Nazis sell those diamonds and build gundams and then we're all essentially fucked....okay I went too far into that metaphor lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 10/08/21 8:17:52 PM #107:	DrizztLink posted... "You know that thing that is pretty central to your identity and may or may not get you killed? Yeah, I'm going to tell you that it's not real but I totally respect you as a person." Central? That's an extremely reductive way to view people, gender is like the least meaningful attribute in the modern times unless you're trying to fuck then it's really only the genitals themselves that matter. Not that people shouldn't care about their gender expression but you can't have that be the central locus of your entire being unless you have no personality to speak of... All I'm saying is these ideas aren't marketed to the public very well and I wish they were, one step closer to abolishing the concept of gender altogether so we can prepare for a glorious future of transhumanism --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:958844757] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>"You know that thing that is pretty central to your identity and may or may not get you killed? Yeah, I'm going to tell you that it's not real but I totally respect you as a person."</quote>Central? That's an extremely reductive way to view people, gender is like the least meaningful attribute in the modern times unless you're trying to fuck then it's really only the genitals themselves that matter. Not that people shouldn't care about their gender expression but you can't have that be the central locus of your entire being unless you have no personality to speak of... All I'm saying is these ideas aren't marketed to the public very well and I wish they were, one step closer to abolishing the concept of gender altogether so we can prepare for a glorious future of transhumanism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/08/21 8:19:11 PM #108:	sevihaimerej posted... Central? That's an extremely reductive way to view people, gender is like the least meaningful attribute in the modern times unless you're trying to fuck then it's really only the genitals themselves that matter. Not that people shouldn't care about their gender expression but you can't have that be the central locus of your entire being unless you have no personality to speak of... All I'm saying is these ideas aren't marketed to the public very well and I wish they were, one step closer to abolishing the concept of gender altogether so we can prepare for a glorious future of transhumanism It's pretty central when it may or may not lead you to getting murdered by the c*s you insist on defending, yes. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958844792] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Central? That's an extremely reductive way to view people, gender is like the least meaningful attribute in the modern times unless you're trying to fuck then it's really only the genitals themselves that matter. Not that people shouldn't care about their gender expression but you can't have that be the central locus of your entire being unless you have no personality to speak of... All I'm saying is these ideas aren't marketed to the public very well and I wish they were, one step closer to abolishing the concept of gender altogether so we can prepare for a glorious future of transhumanism</quote>It's pretty central when it may or may not lead you to getting murdered by the c***s you insist on defending, yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 10/08/21 8:31:36 PM #109:	DrizztLink posted... It's pretty central when it may or may not lead you to getting murdered by the c*s you insist on defending, yes. No Who am I defending? Read more carefully please --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:958845153] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>It's pretty central when it may or may not lead you to getting murdered by the c***s you insist on defending, yes.</quote>No Who am I defending? Read more carefully please </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/08/21 8:36:11 PM #110:	"you need to remember the poor transphobes have FEELINGS" No, I've written them off. I need to remember the average person needs education, and I'm doing that already. The ones you're so adamantly defending (and then denying) are already pointless to talk to. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958845284] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>"you need to remember the poor transphobes have FEELINGS" No, I've written them off. I need to remember the average person needs education, and I'm doing that already. The ones you're so adamantly defending (and then denying) are already pointless to talk to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 8:37:54 PM #111:	sevihaimerej posted... Central? That's an extremely reductive way to view people, gender is like the least meaningful attribute in the modern times unless you're trying to fuck then it's really only the genitals themselves that matter. Not that people shouldn't care about their gender expression but you can't have that be the central locus of your entire being unless you have no personality to speak of... Go ahead and tell all those people with dysphoria how irrelevant their gender identity is to who they are and how need a real personality What the fuck is this? Maybe we should start instead by telling the people who want to dehumanize them over how they chose to be made. Maybe those are the people that need a new personality. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958845334] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Central? That's an extremely reductive way to view people, gender is like the least meaningful attribute in the modern times unless you're trying to fuck then it's really only the genitals themselves that matter. Not that people shouldn't care about their gender expression but you can't have that be the central locus of your entire being unless you have no personality to speak of...</quote>Go ahead and tell all those people with dysphoria how irrelevant their gender identity is to who they are and how need a real personality What the fuck is this? Maybe we should start instead by telling the people who want to dehumanize them over how they chose to be made. Maybe those are the people that need a new personality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/08/21 8:57:06 PM #112:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Not my responsibility to explain to people why they are wrong to view trans people as subhuman filth Who called them that, sounds like a strawman you made up. No one on this board has said that. If they did they would be banned lol. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:958845972] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Not my responsibility to explain to people why they are wrong to view trans people as subhuman filth</quote> Who called them that, sounds like a strawman you made up. No one on this board has said that. If they did they would be banned lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 10/08/21 8:59:52 PM #113:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Go ahead and tell all those people with dysphoria how irrelevant their gender identity is to who they are and how need a real personality What the fuck is this? Maybe we should start instead by telling the people who want to dehumanize them over how they chose to be made. Maybe those are the people that need a new personality. Too much emotion, dial it back and think for a second. I'm saying gender tells me next to nothing relevant about a person, there is so much more to a person than that and it doesn't define anything about them. Are you instead in favor of societally imposed gender roles? Are you against abolishing these old ways? If so then reducing the importance of gender seems like a far more logical way to achieve that than increasing its' importance to obscene levels. Though it is in reaction to absolutely horrific things it still a purely emotional reaction with no consideration for actually reaching any end other than hostility --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:958846051] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Go ahead and tell all those people with dysphoria how irrelevant their gender identity is to who they are and how need a real personality What the fuck is this? Maybe we should start instead by telling the people who want to dehumanize them over how they chose to be made. Maybe those are the people that need a new personality.</quote>Too much emotion, dial it back and think for a second. I'm saying gender tells me next to nothing relevant about a person, there is so much more to a person than that and it doesn't define anything about them. Are you instead in favor of societally imposed gender roles? Are you against abolishing these old ways? If so then reducing the importance of gender seems like a far more logical way to achieve that than increasing its' importance to obscene levels. Though it is in reaction to absolutely horrific things it still a purely emotional reaction with no consideration for actually reaching any end other than hostility </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/08/21 9:01:19 PM #114:	sevihaimerej posted... Too much emotion, dial it back and think for a second. Isn't it nice when someone's struggle to survive is reduced to a thought experiment by some Devil's Advocate? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958846099] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Too much emotion, dial it back and think for a second.</quote>Isn't it nice when someone's struggle to survive is reduced to a thought experiment by some Devil's Advocate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 10/08/21 9:01:32 PM #115:	Transwomen are women, therefor women are women. Women deserve to be able to play in womens sports. Women deserve to be able to use the womens restroom. Women shouldnt be required to tell dating partners the biological circumstances of their birth. If you expect them to say/do something/not participate but dont expect the same of other women then you dont actually view them as women, you view them as different (youre dehumanizing them and youre a transphobe). Theres no nuance about it. Women are women and thats that, topic list --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:958846107] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Transwomen are women, therefor women are women. Women deserve to be able to play in womens sports. Women deserve to be able to use the womens restroom. Women shouldnt be required to tell dating partners the biological circumstances of their birth. If you expect them to say/do something/not participate but dont expect the same of other women then you dont actually view them as women, you view them as different (youre dehumanizing them and youre a transphobe). Theres no nuance about it. Women are women and thats that, topic list </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
runewalshPSiv 10/08/21 9:13:52 PM #116:	People are too easily offended. --- There's no sensation to compare with this Suspended animation, a state of bliss <cite>runewalshPSiv posted [p:958846467] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>People are too easily offended. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 10/08/21 9:36:15 PM #117:	_HayleyWilliams posted... But what are the jokes? Entertainment generates a certain emotion for reasons. A comedy isn't funny just because it's comedy. God, no wonder people find shit like Paul Blart funny. They're just clapping monkeys laughing because others are laughing because comedy is funny. That's no different than the Hollywood Foreign Press circlejerking some award bait just because it's topical and trying to make them cry. Things have meaning. You consume the entertainment and it generates an emotion and a reaction for a reason. What is the message that is being conveyed that is funny. What is the absurdity? Why are we pretending that comedy has never been appraised. Acting like jokes are just random combinations of words that magically generate laughter? If everyone doesn't have to find a movie to be sad because it's trying to be sad, then a comedy isn't funny to everyone just because it's a comedy. The problem here is that you're needlessly overthinking the punchline while others have already laughed at it and moved on to the next joke. DrizztLink posted... Don't bother with VD, he's just upset that minorities are considered people. Uh oh, there goes DrizztLinko going around projecting his own personal issues to others again. I swear people just love to ramble on for no reason. CruelBuffalo posted... Except dumb dumbs, including many on CE, get their views on social issues from comedians Just because comedians offer a different perspective on various, absurd social norms based on their experiences doesn't necessarily negate their insight, but you're not completely wrong. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:958847177] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>But what are the jokes? Entertainment generates a certain emotion for reasons. A comedy isn't funny just because it's comedy. God, no wonder people find shit like Paul Blart funny. They're just clapping monkeys laughing because others are laughing because comedy is funny. That's no different than the Hollywood Foreign Press circlejerking some award bait just because it's topical and trying to make them cry. Things have meaning. You consume the entertainment and it generates an emotion and a reaction for a reason. What is the message that is being conveyed that is funny. What is the absurdity? Why are we pretending that comedy has never been appraised. Acting like jokes are just random combinations of words that magically generate laughter? If everyone doesn't have to find a movie to be sad because it's trying to be sad, then a comedy isn't funny to everyone just because it's a comedy.</quote> The problem here is that you're needlessly overthinking the punchline while others have already laughed at it and moved on to the next joke. DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>Don't bother with VD, he's just upset that minorities are considered people.</quote> Uh oh, there goes DrizztLinko going around projecting his own personal issues to others again. I swear people just love to ramble on for no reason. CruelBuffalo posted... </cite> <quote>Except dumb dumbs, including many on CE, get their views on social issues from comedians</quote> Just because comedians offer a different perspective on various, absurd social norms based on their experiences doesn't necessarily negate their insight, but you're not completely wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MiIkMan 10/08/21 10:03:31 PM #118:	Funkydog posted... Yes, that's why we have practically hourly topics on it. Because no one cares. Actually, I meant that no one cares about this one fucking person boycotting a show. Everyone is talking about Dave's new special tho. --- Milk, man. << Protect society from the emotions of ugly people >> <cite>MiIkMan posted [p:958847956] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, that's why we have practically hourly topics on it. Because no one cares.</quote>Actually, I meant that no one cares about this one fucking person boycotting a show. Everyone is talking about Dave's new special tho. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 10/08/21 10:54:58 PM #119:	iPhone_7 posted... Transwomen are women, therefor women are women. Women deserve to be able to play in womens sports. Women deserve to be able to use the womens restroom. Women shouldnt be required to tell dating partners the biological circumstances of their birth. If you expect them to say/do something/not participate but dont expect the same of other women then you dont actually view them as women, you view them as different (youre dehumanizing them and youre a transphobe). Theres no nuance about it. Women are women and thats that, topic list We have words for women who were born female and those who were not. Trans and cis, respectively. These words are important descriptors. Obviously we do not choose the circumstances of our birth. Obviously we should have as much agency as possible. And, this should also be obvious, some things cannot be changed. No matter how much you want to insist otherwise. You can be a woman while being trans. You can be a woman while being cis. You can't be both trans and cis at the same time. This means the two are different. How much different depends on numerous variables. So yeah, treat trans women as women. Same as you would cis women. But stop spouting bullshit that they're the exact same thing. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:958849340] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Transwomen are women, therefor women are women. Women deserve to be able to play in womens sports. Women deserve to be able to use the womens restroom. Women shouldnt be required to tell dating partners the biological circumstances of their birth. If you expect them to say/do something/not participate but dont expect the same of other women then you dont actually view them as women, you view them as different (youre dehumanizing them and youre a transphobe). Theres no nuance about it. Women are women and thats that, topic list</quote> We have words for women who were born female and those who were not. Trans and cis, respectively. These words are important descriptors. Obviously we do not choose the circumstances of our birth. Obviously we should have as much agency as possible. And, this should also be obvious, some things cannot be changed. No matter how much you want to insist otherwise. You can be a woman while being trans. You can be a woman while being cis. You can't be both trans and cis at the same time. This means the two are different. How much different depends on numerous variables. So yeah, treat trans women as women. Same as you would cis women. But stop spouting bullshit that they're the exact same thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheiky-Baby 10/08/21 11:02:18 PM #120:	s0nicfan posted... I wonder if Chappelle will just name his next special "Dear trans people" in response. --- I'll tell you what freedom is to me. No fear. <cite>Sheiky-Baby posted [p:958849541] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder if Chappelle will just name his next special "Dear trans people" in response.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 10/08/21 11:21:21 PM #122:	Ilishe posted... So yeah, treat trans women as women. Same as you would cis women. But stop spouting bullshit that they're the exact same thing. What exactly does making this distinction gain you? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958850069] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>So yeah, treat trans women as women. Same as you would cis women. But stop spouting bullshit that they're the exact same thing.</quote>What exactly does making this distinction gain you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AloneIBreak 10/08/21 11:24:01 PM #123:	I just watched this special earlier tonight. Im not sure I agree with him entirely, but the set was funny. The idea that he said anything to indicate hate for trans people is deliberately disingenuous though. Also, whats the premise behind Dear White People? Ive never seen it. --- CE's friendly neighborhood rationalist. <cite>AloneIBreak posted [p:958850136] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>I just watched this special earlier tonight. Im not sure I agree with him entirely, but the set was funny. The idea that he said anything to indicate hate for trans people is deliberately disingenuous though. Also, whats the premise behind Dear White People? Ive never seen it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 11:28:11 PM #124:	Ilishe posted... So yeah, treat trans women as women. Same as you would cis women. But stop spouting bullshit that they're the exact same thing. "All women are women, but not all women are exactly the same" doesn't seem like the bold statement you think it is. If you're going to completely accept and validate their identity, then screaming "they're not exactly the same" seems as necessary as reminding us that tall women and short women are not exactly the same. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958850218] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>So yeah, treat trans women as women. Same as you would cis women. But stop spouting bullshit that they're the exact same thing.</quote>"All women are women, but not all women are exactly the same" doesn't seem like the bold statement you think it is. If you're going to completely accept and validate their identity, then screaming "they're not exactly the same" seems as necessary as reminding us that tall women and short women are not exactly the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/09/21 12:29:27 AM #125:	AloneIBreak posted... The idea that he said anything to indicate hate for trans people is deliberately disingenuous though. Welcome to the CE board where everybody make up lies about what people said cause they got there feelings hurt. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:958851721] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>AloneIBreak posted... </cite> <quote>The idea that he said anything to indicate hate for trans people is deliberately disingenuous though.</quote> Welcome to the CE board where everybody make up lies about what people said cause they got there feelings hurt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 10/09/21 5:26:16 AM #126:	DrizztLink posted... What exactly does making this distinction gain you? What does touting your preferred pronouns wherever you go gain you? It informs. Same as this. Let's call things as they are and be respectful about it. It's not like T and C women have minor differences. One is on average considerably more masculine, has a different set of genitals and is likely sterile. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:958855553] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>What exactly does making this distinction gain you?</quote> What does touting your preferred pronouns wherever you go gain you? It informs. Same as this. Let's call things as they are and be respectful about it. It's not like T and C women have minor differences. One is on average considerably more masculine, has a different set of genitals and is likely sterile. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/09/21 5:29:34 AM #127:	Ilishe posted... What does touting your preferred pronouns wherever you go gain you? Validation of your humanity, assuming the people involved don't immediately start talking about you not being a real woman. Like you did, right now, immediately after saying to be respectful. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958855583] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>What does touting your preferred pronouns wherever you go gain you?</quote>Validation of your humanity, assuming the people involved don't immediately start talking about you not being a real woman. Like you did, right now, immediately after saying to be respectful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/09/21 5:46:40 AM #128:	Ilishe posted... What does touting your preferred pronouns wherever you go gain you? It informs. Same as this. Let's call things as they are and be respectful about it. They're not preferred pronouns, they're just pronouns. And your description of the differences are fucking cruel, regardless of intent that's fucked up. And wrong. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:958855735] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>What does touting your preferred pronouns wherever you go gain you? It informs. Same as this. Let's call things as they are and be respectful about it. </quote>They're not preferred pronouns, they're just pronouns. And your description of the differences are fucking cruel, regardless of intent that's fucked up. And wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/09/21 5:57:44 AM #129:	DrizztLink posted... Validation of your humanity, assuming the people involved don't immediately start talking about you not being a real woman. Like you did, right now, immediately after saying to be respectful. Don't forget that he prefaced everything by defending a comedian who used the same damn jokes that other transphobes spout. Never mind that he's repeatedly defended Dave in multiple topics despite actual trans people saying it's fucked up what he's been saying over the last few specials. On a related note, people who think poorly of minorities tend to drastically overestimate how their tolerant beliefs are. Dave can say he's okay with trans people, but all he did was use comedy as the facade through which he spouted transphobic garbage that other transphobes jumped at the chance to defend. Yeah there's various degrees of intolerance, but when people keep refusing to listen to reason (aka those who have been hurt and have explained how to do better) it means they're choosing to become increasingly intolerant. It starts with apathy, and gets worse from there. Standing idly by in the face of intolerance isn't allyship, it means you're just as much an obstacle in any meaningful progress. https://tinyurl.com/dunningandthekruger --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:958855824] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>Validation of your humanity, assuming the people involved don't immediately start talking about you not being a real woman. Like you did, right now, immediately after saying to be respectful.</quote>Don't forget that he prefaced everything by defending a comedian who used the same damn jokes that other transphobes spout. Never mind that he's repeatedly defended Dave in multiple topics despite actual trans people saying it's fucked up what he's been saying over the last few specials. On a related note, people who think poorly of minorities tend to drastically overestimate how their tolerant beliefs are. Dave can say he's okay with trans people, but all he did was use comedy as the facade through which he spouted transphobic garbage that other transphobes jumped at the chance to defend. Yeah there's various degrees of intolerance, but when people keep refusing to listen to reason (aka those who have been hurt and have explained how to do better) it means they're choosing to become increasingly intolerant. It starts with apathy, and gets worse from there. Standing idly by in the face of intolerance isn't allyship, it means you're just as much an obstacle in any meaningful progress. https://tinyurl.com/dunningandthekruger </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/09/21 7:22:56 AM #130:	I guess Biology is cruel now. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:958856565] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>I guess Biology is cruel now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/09/21 7:47:47 AM #131:	ColdOne666 posted... I guess Biology is cruel now. How many people have you DNA tested to discover the chromosomal makeup of? Not even yourself, I'd wager. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:958856801] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>ColdOne666 posted... </cite> <quote>I guess Biology is cruel now.</quote>How many people have you DNA tested to discover the chromosomal makeup of? Not even yourself, I'd wager. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 10/09/21 8:29:28 AM #132:	Watched the special yesterday. I wasn't offended. --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:958857333] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Watched the special yesterday. I wasn't offended. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Stewman_Magoo 10/09/21 8:51:49 AM #134:	BilalPowell posted... Watched the special yesterday. I wasn't offended. Me too, but Dave is still very weird about trans people. --- PSN Stewman_Magoo <cite>Stewman_Magoo posted [p:958857643] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted... </cite> <quote>Watched the special yesterday. I wasn't offended.</quote> Me too, but Dave is still very weird about trans people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/09/21 10:24:41 AM #135:	ColdOne666 posted... I guess Biology is cruel now. Psst ~~Yes.~~ Lol --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:958859378] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>ColdOne666 posted... </cite> <quote>I guess Biology is cruel now.</quote>Psst Yes. Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/09/21 11:54:39 AM #136:	sevihaimerej posted... Too much emotion, dial it back and think for a second. I'm saying gender tells me next to nothing relevant about a person, there is so much more to a person than that and it doesn't define anything about them. Are you instead in favor of societally imposed gender roles? Are you against abolishing these old ways? If so then reducing the importance of gender seems like a far more logical way to achieve that than increasing its' importance to obscene levels. Though it is in reaction to absolutely horrific things it still a purely emotional reaction with no consideration for actually reaching any end other than hostility To me, it seemed like you were saying trans people care too much about gender and need to worry about about what really matters. That would reduce their very real lived experience --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958861425] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Too much emotion, dial it back and think for a second. I'm saying gender tells me next to nothing relevant about a person, there is so much more to a person than that and it doesn't define anything about them. Are you instead in favor of societally imposed gender roles? Are you against abolishing these old ways? If so then reducing the importance of gender seems like a far more logical way to achieve that than increasing its' importance to obscene levels. Though it is in reaction to absolutely horrific things it still a purely emotional reaction with no consideration for actually reaching any end other than hostility</quote>To me, it seemed like you were saying trans people care too much about gender and need to worry about about what really matters. That would reduce their very real lived experience </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/09/21 12:00:39 PM #137:	Vicious_Dios posted... The problem here is that you're needlessly overthinking the punchline while others have already laughed at it and moved on to the next joke. Jokes have meaning. You can't help but wonder about the punchline. Something is making a person laugh. Is it Dave saying something ridiculous that transphobes believe? Or are they laughing because they truly believe the concept of trans women is absurd? That's an important distinction. Everyone does everything for a reason. Reducing comedy to meaningless funny words seems disingenuous, considering how many comedians are trying to make social commentary and how many people will support them "telling it like it is"? --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958861568] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>The problem here is that you're needlessly overthinking the punchline while others have already laughed at it and moved on to the next joke.</quote>Jokes have meaning. You can't help but wonder about the punchline. Something is making a person laugh. Is it Dave saying something ridiculous that transphobes believe? Or are they laughing because they truly believe the concept of trans women is absurd? That's an important distinction. Everyone does everything for a reason. Reducing comedy to meaningless funny words seems disingenuous, considering how many comedians are trying to make social commentary and how many people will support them "telling it like it is"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/09/21 5:40:02 PM #138:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Something is making a person laugh. Yes Humour, Plz get some. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:958870797] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Something is making a person laugh.</quote> Yes Humour, Plz get some. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 10/09/21 5:42:58 PM #139:	radical rhino posted... The fact that the Dear White People showrunner is white is the biggest outrage here. Dude, for fucking real. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:958870889] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>radical rhino posted... </cite> <quote>The fact that the Dear White People showrunner is white is the biggest outrage here.</quote>Dude, for fucking real. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/09/21 6:16:18 PM #140:	MutantJohn posted... Dude, for fucking real. We've explained this like seven times, there are multiple showrunners and one white one. Also (not you, John), do y'all spend much time telling step parents and adopted children that they aren't REAL family? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958871868] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>Dude, for fucking real.</quote>We've explained this like seven times, there are multiple showrunners and one white one. Also (not you, John), do y'all spend much time telling step parents and adopted children that they aren't REAL family? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 10/09/21 6:17:29 PM #141:	DrizztLink posted... We've explained this like seven times, there are multiple showrunners and one white one. Also (not you, John), do y'all spend much time telling step parents and adopted children that they aren't REAL family? are any of the black showrunners joining in the boycott? --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:958871907] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>We've explained this like seven times, there are multiple showrunners and one white one. Also (not you, John), do y'all spend much time telling step parents and adopted children that they aren't REAL family?</quote> are any of the black showrunners joining in the boycott? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 10/09/21 6:18:02 PM #142:	monkmith posted... a guy from a show i've never heard of is boycotting because of a comic that's been shit for over a decade... i love social media drama. You sure do live up to your anti trans tag --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:958871922] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>a guy from a show i've never heard of is boycotting because of a comic that's been shit for over a decade... i love social media drama.</quote>You sure do live up to your anti trans tag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/09/21 6:19:45 PM #143:	BeantownHero posted... are any of the black showrunners joining in the boycott? I have no idea nor is it really relevant. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958871973] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>are any of the black showrunners joining in the boycott?</quote>I have no idea nor is it really relevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 10/09/21 6:21:08 PM #144:	A white person who is the showrunner for a piece of media that revolves around the struggles of black people trying to boycott a black comedian --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:958872008] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>A white person who is the showrunner for a piece of media that revolves around the struggles of black people trying to boycott a black comedian </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 10/09/21 6:22:11 PM #145:	DrizztLink posted... We've explained this like seven times, there are multiple showrunners and one white one. Also (not you, John), do y'all spend much time telling step parents and adopted children that they aren't REAL family? Ah, fair enough. That's good lol. Outrage subsided. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:958872038] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>We've explained this like seven times, there are multiple showrunners and one white one. Also (not you, John), do y'all spend much time telling step parents and adopted children that they aren't REAL family?</quote>Ah, fair enough. That's good lol. Outrage subsided. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 10/09/21 6:24:00 PM #146:	DrizztLink posted... I have no idea nor is it really relevant. a major, black centric show is boycotting a legendary black comedian who still holds massive favor in the black community to the average person, this would suggest major black figures (the showrunner/s of a major netflix series) took so much umbrage with his special, theyd like to hurt him financially it turns out the person in question spearheading this boycott is white. I'm curious if the other black showrunners feel the same way --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:958872089] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea nor is it really relevant.</quote> a major, black centric show is boycotting a legendary black comedian who still holds massive favor in the black community to the average person, this would suggest major black figures (the showrunner/s of a major netflix series) took so much umbrage with his special, theyd like to hurt him financially it turns out the person in question spearheading this boycott is white. I'm curious if the other black showrunners feel the same way </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/09/21 6:30:54 PM #147:	BeantownHero posted... I'm curious if the other black showrunners feel the same way So we're playing Oppression Olympics to distract from the person's concerns. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958872287] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>I'm curious if the other black showrunners feel the same way</quote>So we're playing Oppression Olympics to distract from the person's concerns. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 10/09/21 6:35:31 PM #148:	tfw black people btfo the white libs by not quitting their show --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:958872417] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>tfw black people btfo the white libs by not quitting their show </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 10/09/21 6:36:49 PM #149:	DrizztLink posted... So we're playing Oppression Olympics to distract from the person's concerns. or, I'm curious if the showrunner is speaking for the show and the people who help make it, or for themselves --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:958872443] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>So we're playing Oppression Olympics to distract from the person's concerns.</quote> or, I'm curious if the showrunner is speaking for the show and the people who help make it, or for themselves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/09/21 6:42:41 PM #150:	BeantownHero posted... or, I'm curious if the showrunner is speaking for the show and the people who help make it, or for themselves For themselves, obviously. Like the article pretty clearly states, seeing as she never mentions the show whereas the article mentions it like once to clarify who this person is. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:958872614] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>or, I'm curious if the showrunner is speaking for the show and the people who help make it, or for themselves</quote>For themselves, obviously. Like the article pretty clearly states, seeing as she never mentions the show whereas the article mentions it like once to clarify who this person is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 10/09/21 6:47:47 PM #151:	DrizztLink posted... For themselves, obviously. Like the article pretty clearly states, seeing as she never mentions the show whereas the article mentions it like once to clarify who this person is. alrighty. That's all I was curious about --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:958872753] in Dear White... [t:79700971]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>For themselves, obviously. Like the article pretty clearly states, seeing as she never mentions the show whereas the article mentions it like once to clarify who this person is.</quote> alrighty. That's all I was curious about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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