Current Events > UK and EU barrel towards trade war as UK says Brexit doesn't go far enough.

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Fears that the UK is heading for a trade war with the EU have been fuelled by strong indications from the government that proposals to be unveiled in Brussels on Wednesday over Brexit arrangements do not go far enough.

The Brexit minister, Lord Frost, will use a speech in Portugal on Tuesday to say that scrapping its prohibition on British sausages to resolve the dispute over the Northern Ireland protocol do not meet the UK and unionists demands.

The peer will call for significant changes to the post-Brexit agreement he negotiated, including over the role of the European court of justice, something the EU is highly unlikely to concede to.

Without new arrangements in this area the protocol will never have the support it needs to survive, he will warn on the eve of a significant move by the EU to resolve the row.

Irelands foreign minister, Simon Coveney, reacted with incredulity at the UKs red line and its timing just days before what he said was a serious offer from the EU.

He tweeted: EU working seriously to resolve practical issues with implementation of Protocol so UKG creates a new red line barrier to progress, that they know EU cant move on. are we surprised? Real Q: Does UKG actually want an agreed way forward or a further breakdown in relations?

The EUs Brexit commissioner, Maro efovi, will table four papers on Wednesday on the subject of how the Northern Ireland protocol can be improved which he has described as very far reaching.

Included will be a proposed national identity exemption for British sausages from the EUs prohibition on prepared meat from a third country, sources said.

But Mujtaba Rahman, the managing director of the Eurasia Group consultancy, warned in a note to clients on Saturday that the absence of concessions on the ECJ will give Frost the justification for triggering article 16, the mechanism for putting the Northern Ireland protocol into formal dispute process or putting it into abeyance by disapplying the arrangements altogether.

There is a huge amount of cynicism in the EU about what the governments actual objectives are. Is it to fix substantive issues in Northern Ireland or is it to keep an ideological fight with the EU rolling because it serves certain sections of the Tory party? said Rahman.

The French president and the German chancellor and the European Commission president cannot wake up every single day to a new argument with Boris Johnson. At some point they need to send a stronger simpler message.

Use of a termination clause within the trade and cooperation agreement itself can be triggered unilaterally and would fully suspend the zero tariff/quota trade deal between the two sides.

This cross-retaliation mechanism allowing trade penalties for breaches of the withdrawal agreement was agreed by both sides but others think the EU will not be so keen to go nuclear.

Catherine Barnard, professor of EU law at the University of Cambridge, believes short sharp shocks in the form of tariffs on iconic British products such as Scottish whisky or salmon are more likely.

She also said that the ECJ is not a significant issue in relation to the trade of goods. Its annual report cites just 24 cases relating to customs union laws currently pending, among more than 1,045 in total.

Frost also told delegates at the Conservative party conference last week that the rules required the EU to be proportionate but said he still hoped to come out of negotiations with a fresh deal.

Retaliatory measures are unlikely until next year, with the EU expected to respond with infringement and legal proceedings as its first response to any suspension of the Northern Ireland protocol by the UK.

The protocol, designed to avoid a hard border between the UK and the single market operating in the Republic of Ireland, placed a border in the Irish sea, enraging unionists who see checks on goods coming into Northern Ireland from Britain as an attack on the integrity of the UK and their British identity.

The EU is expected to propose eliminating checks on goods destined to remain in Northern Ireland, with checks only on those products that are intended for sale in the republic.

Both sides have said they expect to go into a period of intense negotiation, which Frost put at three weeks, after the EUs response to the UKs demands are published on Wednesday.

But one school of thought is that Frost and the home secretary, Priti Patel, are being used to keep the Brexit pot boiling to show how the UK is sticking up against EU bullies.

Others think the fight over Northern Ireland is more fundamental. One former Downing Street official said he had been told Boris Johnson was going round telling people he had been misled over the protocol and was determined it would have to be rewritten.

Frost will say on Tuesday that the UK-EU relationship is under strain but if the two sides can put the protocol on a durable footing we have the opportunity to move past the difficulties of the past year.

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/09/trade-war-looms-as-uk-set-to-spurn-eu-offer-on-northern-ireland



The UK voted for this and keeps voting Tory

Even as the stores are empty, there are no HGV drivers, businesses are leaving, smart students aren't coming to the UK and London is no longer the capital of currency exchange trade.

I'm not Irish, Northern or Republic but I would be absolutely outraged if I was. The way the conservatives have treated Ireland this past decade is nothing short of despicable

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BRB picturing UK vs Europe

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

BRB picturing UK vs Europe

its a real "everybody loses" scenario

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UnfairRepresent posted...

its a real "everybody loses" scenario

Yeah I know...

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Ok, sure, put ideas into my head about how this could be "everybody loses"

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Ok, sure, put ideas into my head about how this could be "everybody loses"

5 hour lines for fuel

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Shouldn't really have posted here

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mattymad posted...

Do you ever stop fear mongering?

"If you do this stupid thing for no benefit there will be serious negative consequences"
"Omg stop fear mongering!"
*does stupid thing *
*serious consequences *
"If we keep doing this stupid thing there are going to be more serious consequences"
"Omg stop fear mongering!"

Pathetic

And the shelves are not full where I am, gas stations are coned off outside of supermarkets (hell arguing that was okay because its in the past now is absurd anyway)

The HVG driver shortage has absolutely NOT been solved, shame on you for lying about that

And the EU is still cutting us stack, Brexit doesn't kick in until next year and the government is ignoring the problems like you while calling for doubling down on Brexit

How fucking dare you accuse me of fear mongering for pointing this shit out while you excuse it and accept more.

You should be ashamed of yourself but I doubt you're capable of it.

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Brexit doesnt kick in till next year? What? It kicked in in January.

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spikethedevil posted...

Brexit doesnt kick in till next year? What? It kicked in in January.

The EU has been lenient on rules and regulations and extentions of emergency placeholder agreements due to the crisis you and matty and and Tories ignore

that ends next year

If the UK orders 600,000 tons of meat and fucks up at any level of the process, the EU simply won't deliver it

Right now they are doing so anyway

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UnfairRepresent posted...

5 hour lines for fuel

"Oh sorry I'm just stupid"
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And for the record I still have colleagues who can't get to work because they still don't have fuel

I know a family who had to cancel their vacation to Scotland due to the lack of fuel

"Well I'm okay in London so there is no problem anymore " is so utterly egotistical

Especially just to handwave the (unsolved ) issue In the first place

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The EU has been lenient on rules and regulations and extentions of emergency placeholder agreements due to the crisis you and matty and and Tories ignore

that ends next year

If the UK orders 600,000 tons of meat and fucks up at any level of the process, the EU simply won't deliver it

Right now they are doing so anyway

Um check your shit Ive never ignored it, youve been put in purge twice for lying about what people have said so learn your lesson ffs.


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spikethedevil posted...

Um check your shit Ive never ignored it, youve been put in purge twice for lying about what people have said so learn your lesson ffs.

The ultimate irony is that If that was true you would be put in purge right now for lying about it

But notice how quickly he tried to derail the topic off Brexit

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Ive literally agreed the situation is fucked in all these topics and youve been in purge twice recently.

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We should just cut our losses and let the Britons have their precious Brexit full stop. I dunno why our politicians keep trying to negotiate with those giant manchildren. The employable ones who can work a deficit profession and are willing to integrate into an EU-country can be let in under a time period. Then we say goodbye.

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I was suspended for being opposed to FGM and saying its wrong and should be illegal and being opposed to middle aged men having sex with underage girls saying its wrong and should be illegal .

In both cases inside topics that were defending the legality of the practices. The people who did so did not get moderated .

both moderations were utterly ridiculous and the result of mods not liking me personally . I stand by both statements 100% and question anyone who doesn't.

Not for "lying about what people have said"

Which you well know , you're just trying to derail the topic

you know if i bring up those subjects the mods are likely to moderate me again and if I don't bring up the subjects then it looks like you're right when you're lying.

Either way, we're not taking about Brexit anymore. So well done

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BalanceLost posted...

We should just cut our losses and let the Britons have their precious Brexit full stop. I dunno why our politicians keep trying to negotiate with those giant manchildren. The employable ones who can work a deficit profession and are willing to integrate into an EU-country can be let in under a time period. Then we say goodbye.

Dint lump all of us together FFS, Brexit won by a small margin. Also yes fuck Brexit.

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BalanceLost posted...

We should just cut our losses and let the Britons have their precious Brexit full stop. I dunno why our politicians keep trying to negotiate with those giant manchildren. The employable ones who can work a deficit profession and are willing to integrate into an EU-country can be let in under a time period. Then we say goodbye.

The EU benefits from trade with the UK too

it's not a one way street, this hurts everyone

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The EU benefits from trade with the UK too

it's not a one way street, this hurts everyone

Pretty much.

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spikethedevil posted...

Dint lump all of us together FFS, Brexit won by a small margin. Also yes fuck Brexit.

This small margin keeps bringing great damage and chaos though. Your countrymen started this circus almost 5.5 years ago and do you honestly see some kind of change in their behaviour coming anytime soon?

UnfairRepresent posted...

The EU benefits from trade with the UK too

it's not a one way street, this hurts everyone

That is true, but sometimes you need to take a short term loss in order to make something better long term. The UKs mess is already creating economic, social and political harm as is.

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BalanceLost posted...

This small margin keeps bringing great damage and chaos though. Your countrymen started this circus almost 5.5 years ago and do you honestly see some kind of change in their behaviour coming anytime soon?

Its actually gotten worse v_V

That is true, but sometimes you need to take a short term loss in order to make something better long term. The UKs mess is already creating economic, social and political harm as is.

This doesn't make sense

The UK and EU geographically are connected, they can't just ignore each other

There is no light at rhe end of the tunnel if the EU just stops all commerce and travel with the UK

Just am apex of negative consequences. Economically, militarily, separating families, supplying the people.

The solution is less cold isolation, not more

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Are British sausages any good?

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RoseLuck2X22462 posted...

Are British sausages any good?

Yes

Lincolnshire sausages are great . Prob my fave

Bangers and mash is a national staple for a reason

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Richmonds are pretty good imo.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/11/eu-close-to-the-end-of-the-road-over-northern-ireland-protocol

Ireland is sick of the UKs shit

claims Brexit politicians are intentionally not solving the problems

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the UK voted for this, they deserve everything they get

UnfairRepresent posted...

Even as the stores are empty, there are no HGV drivers, businesses are leaving, smart students aren't coming to the UK and London is no longer the capital of currency exchange trade.

Same in the US, funny how Brexit hurt us so bad.

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If the UK keeps being fucking stupid over this, could it result in the reunification of Ireland?

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uwnim posted...

If the UK keeps being fucking stupid over this, could it result in the reunification of Ireland?

Thats a much more complicated issue.

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The problem with Brexit is that I can't import DVD and Blu-ray releases from the UK without tariffs anymore, and while the stuff I want often get French and German releases, those tend to lack English subtitles and I don't understand Chinese and Japanese, which is mostly the language of the stuff I order.

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Scots and Irish newd to leave the UK.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Scots and Irish newd to leave the UK.

newd lol. But the Welsh need to stay?

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Didn't Wales vote to leave the EU?

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Didn't Wales vote to leave the EU?

Indeed they did by basically the same margin as the over all result.

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uwnim posted...

If the UK keeps being fucking stupid over this, could it result in the reunification of Ireland?

Eh

Unlikely

That's a complicated as fuck issue and most of Northern Ireland is opposed to it.

Although support for it is growing.

if it does happen it will be decades from now with a lot more reasons than simply England being dumb.

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