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mario2000 10/15/21 3:39:47 PM #1:	What is your opinion of someone who says this --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:959066056] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>What is your opinion of someone who says this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/15/21 3:41:19 PM #2:	They are anti vax. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:959066100] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>They are anti vax. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 10/15/21 3:42:13 PM #3:	<cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:959066126] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aridi 10/15/21 3:42:58 PM #4:	They are anti intelligent. --- When do you stop growing up and start dying? <cite>Aridi posted [p:959066156] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>They are anti intelligent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/15/21 3:43:16 PM #5:	--- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:959066167] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hummer 2 10/15/21 3:43:44 PM #6:	<cite>Hummer 2 posted [p:959066183] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 10/15/21 3:45:50 PM #7:	I'm not in favor of drunk driving, I just think people should have the personal freedom to decide how drunk they are behind the wheel. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:959066256] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>I'm not in favor of drunk driving, I just think people should have the personal freedom to decide how drunk they are behind the wheel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/15/21 3:47:48 PM #8:	Normal ass way of thinking. Weird on ce --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959066302] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Normal ass way of thinking. Weird on ce </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 10/15/21 3:48:26 PM #9:	I feel like this backlash is fueled by some sort of misguided homophobia "I don't go for any of them thar MAN DATES!" --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:959066320] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>I feel like this backlash is fueled by some sort of misguided homophobia "I don't go for any of them thar MAN DATES!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 3:48:38 PM #10:	Smackems posted... Normal ass way of thinking. Weird on ce --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959066325] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>Normal ass way of thinking. Weird on ce</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/15/21 3:49:50 PM #11:	Normal can still be stupid. --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:959066364] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Normal can still be stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tanis574 10/15/21 3:50:23 PM #12:	Smackems posted... Normal ass way of thinking. Weird on ce <cite>tanis574 posted [p:959066387] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>Normal ass way of thinking. Weird on ce</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 3:51:02 PM #13:	nfearurspecimn posted... Normal can still be stupid. Obviously I don't think I or Smackems thinks it's "normal but also stupid". What makes you think it's stupid? (If you are indeed saying it is) --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959066411] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>Normal can still be stupid.</quote> Obviously I don't think I or Smackems thinks it's "normal but also stupid". What makes you think it's stupid? (If you are indeed saying it is) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 10/15/21 3:51:27 PM #14:	For the people who have a negative opinion about anti-mandate people, what is your opinion on seatbelt mandates? I know its not the same thing and one effects others blah blah blah. So it should be an easy question. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:959066424] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>For the people who have a negative opinion about anti-mandate people, what is your opinion on seatbelt mandates? I know its not the same thing and one effects others blah blah blah. So it should be an easy question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soulunison2 10/15/21 3:51:32 PM #15:	ThanksUglyGod posted... <cite>soulunison2 posted [p:959066427] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>ThanksUglyGod posted... </cite> <quote></quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 10/15/21 3:51:39 PM #16:	Reasonable. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:959066434] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Reasonable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/15/21 3:52:24 PM #17:	joe40001 posted... Obviously I don't think I or Smackems thinks it's "normal but also stupid". What makes you think it's stupid? (If you are indeed saying it is) You can have at this one if you want. I said my opinion. I like catboy, who should be free btw, and don't feel like arguing about it Oh I'm vaccinated btw --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959066453] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>Obviously I don't think I or Smackems thinks it's "normal but also stupid". What makes you think it's stupid? (If you are indeed saying it is)</quote>You can have at this one if you want. I said my opinion. I like catboy, who should be free btw, and don't feel like arguing about it Oh I'm vaccinated btw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkhaj 10/15/21 3:52:27 PM #18:	I know vaccinated people who have this opinion. But most people who say it are just opposed to vaccines yeah (or at least the covid one) --- https://i.imgflip.com/5psdae.jpg The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Lorkhaj posted [p:959066458] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>I know vaccinated people who have this opinion. But most people who say it are just opposed to vaccines yeah (or at least the covid one) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 3:54:51 PM #19:	Smackems posted... You can have at this one if you want. I said my opinion. I like catboy, who should be free btw, and don't feel like arguing about it Is nfearurspecimn catboy? Y'all need to stop changing names :P. Either way I have a very positive tag on them and like them too. Which is why I was curious about their opinion. Since they are a reasonable person I respect I don't think it will turn into any sort of antagonistic argument though. But yeah I am curious. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959066519] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>You can have at this one if you want. I said my opinion. I like catboy, who should be free btw, and don't feel like arguing about it</quote> Is nfearurspecimn catboy? Y'all need to stop changing names :P. Either way I have a very positive tag on them and like them too. Which is why I was curious about their opinion. Since they are a reasonable person I respect I don't think it will turn into any sort of antagonistic argument though. But yeah I am curious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 10/15/21 3:58:20 PM #20:	Hornezz posted... I'm not in favor of drunk driving, I just think people should have the personal freedom to decide how drunk they are behind the wheel. This is indeed what they sound like --- MSI MEG X570 Unify \| Ryzen 7 5800X \| 32GB DDR4-3600 \| RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:959066627] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not in favor of drunk driving, I just think people should have the personal freedom to decide how drunk they are behind the wheel.</quote>This is indeed what they sound like </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 10/15/21 4:01:17 PM #21:	Tyranthraxus posted... They are anti vax. Not necessarily. Maybe they just think we should all be smart enough to willingly get the shot. We should be trying to educate people with facts and science so they arent anti vaccine in the first place. --- Long Term Effects of Suffering #G59 <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:959066710] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>They are anti vax.</quote> Not necessarily. Maybe they just think we should all be smart enough to willingly get the shot. We should be trying to educate people with facts and science so they arent anti vaccine in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/15/21 4:02:06 PM #22:	SSJPurple posted... Not necessarily. Maybe they just think we should all be smart enough to willingly get the shot. We should be trying to educate people with facts and science so they arent anti vaccine in the first place. Well lol we all know that wouldn't work either --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959066735] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>SSJPurple posted... </cite> <quote>Not necessarily. Maybe they just think we should all be smart enough to willingly get the shot. We should be trying to educate people with facts and science so they arent anti vaccine in the first place.</quote>Well lol we all know that wouldn't work either </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/15/21 4:02:40 PM #24:	in a vaccum I think it's reasonable. After over a year of anti-vax nonsense where the US still has ERs full of needlessly dying/suffering unvaxxed fools and doctors/ teachers/cops refusing to vaccinate AND the fact that despite the name you don't actually have to get vaccinated, just frequently tested if you don't....? Yeah I think these people are at best ignorant and generally just unreasonable. They seem to think mass death and suffering is less important than a extordinarily minor inconvience for them, it's extemely sociopathic --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:959066751] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>in a vaccum I think it's reasonable. After over a year of anti-vax nonsense where the US still has ERs full of needlessly dying/suffering unvaxxed fools and doctors/ teachers/cops refusing to vaccinate AND the fact that despite the name you don't actually have to get vaccinated, just frequently tested if you don't....? Yeah I think these people are at best ignorant and generally just unreasonable. They seem to think mass death and suffering is less important than a extordinarily minor inconvience for them, it's extemely sociopathic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 10/15/21 4:02:54 PM #25:	That they are dumb fucks. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:959066757] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>That they are dumb fucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/15/21 4:03:14 PM #26:	JustMyOpinion posted... What were those people's excuse for not getting it before it was mandated? Why do they think it's starting to be mandated now? asking the real question here. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:959066771] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>What were those people's excuse for not getting it before it was mandated? Why do they think it's starting to be mandated now?</quote> asking the real question here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 10/15/21 4:03:57 PM #27:	Sounds reasonable. Use logic to defeat it. --- How quaint. <cite>C_Pain posted [p:959066792] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Sounds reasonable. Use logic to defeat it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/15/21 4:04:44 PM #28:	SSJPurple posted... Not necessarily. Maybe they just think we should all be smart enough to willingly get the shot. We should be trying to educate people with facts and science so they arent anti vaccine in the first place. They had half a year to get it when it wasn't mandated. If they're against the mandate then they're anti vax. Either for themselves or they support other people not getting it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:959066818] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>SSJPurple posted... </cite> <quote>Not necessarily. Maybe they just think we should all be smart enough to willingly get the shot. We should be trying to educate people with facts and science so they arent anti vaccine in the first place.</quote> They had half a year to get it when it wasn't mandated. If they're against the mandate then they're anti vax. Either for themselves or they support other people not getting it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 10/15/21 4:05:03 PM #29:	Unless I've seen proof that they're vaccinated themself, I will assume they are in fact anti-vaxx and trying to present it in a more-acceptable light. If they are (and it's not a case of "I got it but regret it now"), that's a bit of a different matter, but I'm still not very comfortable with it. The only reason to be upset about a mandate, is if the specific mandate in question is poorly made - for example, if it doesn't provide an exemption for those who medically (not religiously / conspiracy-based) cannot receive it, or if it applies to an age group that hasn't yet had a reasonable amount of time to get it, etc. --- As you change your Trumble, the Trumble on all your posts will be updated to your new Trumble. <cite>Trumble posted [p:959066830] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Unless I've seen proof that they're vaccinated themself, I will assume they are in fact anti-vaxx and trying to present it in a more-acceptable light. If they are (and it's not a case of "I got it but regret it now"), that's a bit of a different matter, but I'm still not very comfortable with it. The only reason to be upset about a mandate, is if the specific mandate in question is poorly made - for example, if it doesn't provide an exemption for those who medically (not religiously / conspiracy-based) cannot receive it, or if it applies to an age group that hasn't yet had a reasonable amount of time to get it, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 10/15/21 4:06:15 PM #30:	ThanksUglyGod posted... --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:959066864] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>ThanksUglyGod posted... </cite> <quote></quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/15/21 4:07:24 PM #31:	joe40001 posted... Is nfearurspecimn catboy? Y'all need to stop changing names :P. Either way I have a very positive tag on them and like them too. Which is why I was curious about their opinion. Since they are a reasonable person I respect I don't think it will turn into any sort of antagonistic argument though. But yeah I am curious. my catboy0_0 account got banned and have burned through an account or two in the meantime My opinion is that whether it's forced or not, if it's the same thing, you would be for it whether or not it was mandated. Like do people suddenly have a problem with seatbelt laws even if they think everyone should wear seatbelts? If you refuse life saving medicine just because there's a mandate, you're just being oppositional/defiant imo. --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:959066895] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>Is nfearurspecimn catboy? Y'all need to stop changing names :P. Either way I have a very positive tag on them and like them too. Which is why I was curious about their opinion. Since they are a reasonable person I respect I don't think it will turn into any sort of antagonistic argument though. But yeah I am curious.</quote>my catboy0_0 account got banned and have burned through an account or two in the meantime My opinion is that whether it's forced or not, if it's the same thing, you would be for it whether or not it was mandated. Like do people suddenly have a problem with seatbelt laws even if they think everyone should wear seatbelts? If you refuse life saving medicine just because there's a mandate, you're just being oppositional/defiant imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 10/15/21 4:08:48 PM #33:	nfearurspecimn posted... If you refuse life saving medicine just because there's a mandate, you're just being oppositional imo. Contrarianism is basically the bread-and-butter of the crowd opposing countermeasures against covid. --- As you change your Trumble, the Trumble on all your posts will be updated to your new Trumble. <cite>Trumble posted [p:959066942] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>If you refuse life saving medicine just because there's a mandate, you're just being oppositional imo.</quote>Contrarianism is basically the bread-and-butter of the crowd opposing countermeasures against covid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stewman_Magoo 10/15/21 4:09:17 PM #34:	Anti vax or Pro covid. They get to choose because choice is important to them. --- PSN Stewman_Magoo <cite>Stewman_Magoo posted [p:959066958] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Anti vax or Pro covid. They get to choose because choice is important to them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:13:05 PM #35:	DarthAragorn posted... This is indeed what they sound like That's not at all the logic. It is illegal to DRIVE drunk, but it is not illegal to BE drunk. A full government mandate would mean it's effectively illegal to BE unvaccinated. If you need employment for healthcare, rent, survival, and you are banned from working everywhere if you are unvaccinated then a government mandate would mean it's illegal to BE unvaccinated. I support businesses that want to require proof of vaccination to shop there, that's not a vaccine mandate. A vaccine mandate is a government mandate that basically blocks somebody from all employment (and thus from survival) if they are unvaccinated. This is not ok. And anybody defending the vaccine mandate in it's current form looks pretty stupid if they don't at least acknowledge it needs to be updated to factor in science based around a person who has been exposed to COVID and has some natural immunity. I'm not going to make exact claims about what that science concludes, but it is stupid to require somebody to get a shot if they had COVID 3 weeks earlier and we don't have good safety data on effects of getting vaccinated while you are still recovering from COVID. If it is a mandate for things like police/medical staff only that factors in the latest science when it comes from antibodies from natural immunity for people who have already been exposed. That is something I'd consider supporting. But if you are treating an unvaccinated person who has been exposed to COVID (and perhaps even got very sick from it) as medically identical to an unvaccinated person who has never been exposed to COVID, you are not being scientifically accurate. We have tons of data showing the necessity and safety of the vaccines for people who have never have COVID, what data we do have on vaccinating people who already had COVID is somewhat more limited, but much more important is different. Anybody with any sense knows that somebody who has had a bad case of COVID 3 weeks ago vs somebody who hasn't had COVID at all are going to (on average) have a different response to vaccination. This doesn't mean the end result is different. But yeah, you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE science before I respect your borderline authoritarian policy stance. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959067066] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted... </cite> <quote>This is indeed what they sound like</quote> That's not at all the logic. It is illegal to DRIVE drunk, but it is not illegal to BE drunk. A full government mandate would mean it's effectively illegal to BE unvaccinated. If you need employment for healthcare, rent, survival, and you are banned from working everywhere if you are unvaccinated then a government mandate would mean it's illegal to BE unvaccinated. I support businesses that want to require proof of vaccination to shop there, that's not a vaccine mandate. A vaccine mandate is a government mandate that basically blocks somebody from all employment (and thus from survival) if they are unvaccinated. This is not ok. And anybody defending the vaccine mandate in it's current form looks pretty stupid if they don't at least acknowledge it needs to be updated to factor in science based around a person who has been exposed to COVID and has some natural immunity. I'm not going to make exact claims about what that science concludes, but it is stupid to require somebody to get a shot if they had COVID 3 weeks earlier and we don't have good safety data on effects of getting vaccinated while you are still recovering from COVID. If it is a mandate for things like police/medical staff only that factors in the latest science when it comes from antibodies from natural immunity for people who have already been exposed. That is something I'd consider supporting. But if you are treating an unvaccinated person who has been exposed to COVID (and perhaps even got very sick from it) as medically identical to an unvaccinated person who has never been exposed to COVID, you are not being scientifically accurate. We have tons of data showing the necessity and safety of the vaccines for people who have never have COVID, what data we do have on vaccinating people who already had COVID is somewhat more limited, but much more important is different. Anybody with any sense knows that somebody who has had a bad case of COVID 3 weeks ago vs somebody who hasn't had COVID at all are going to (on average) have a different response to vaccination. This doesn't mean the end result is different. But yeah, you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE science before I respect your borderline authoritarian policy stance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:13:32 PM #36:	Smackems posted... Well lol we all know that wouldn't work either It does tho --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959067083] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>Well lol we all know that wouldn't work either</quote> It does tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 10/15/21 4:13:55 PM #37:	Someone whose response to a call keep others alive is "don't tell me what to do!" is honestly worse than someone who genuinely believes vaccines are bad. Literally their only argument is entitlement. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:959067093] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Someone whose response to a call keep others alive is "don't tell me what to do!" is honestly worse than someone who genuinely believes vaccines are bad. Literally their only argument is entitlement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/15/21 4:14:48 PM #38:	I roll my eyes so far back into my head that I remember this drawing and then I involuntarily laugh --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:959067127] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote> I roll my eyes so far back into my head that I remember this drawing and then I involuntarily laugh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 10/15/21 4:15:24 PM #39:	Not inherently stupid or even unreasonable, just lacking in historical context and / or ability to see the bigger picture. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:959067147] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Not inherently stupid or even unreasonable, just lacking in historical context and / or ability to see the bigger picture. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 10/15/21 4:16:10 PM #40:	joe40001 posted... That's not at all the logic. It is illegal to DRIVE drunk, but it is not illegal to BE drunk. A full government mandate would mean it's effectively illegal to BE unvaccinated. If you need employment for healthcare, rent, survival, and you are banned from working everywhere if you are unvaccinated then a government mandate would mean it's illegal to BE unvaccinated. I support businesses that want to require proof of vaccination to shop there, that's not a vaccine mandate. A vaccine mandate is a government mandate that basically blocks somebody from all employment (and thus from survival) if they are unvaccinated. This is not ok. And anybody defending the vaccine mandate in it's current form looks pretty stupid if they don't at least acknowledge it needs to be updated to factor in science based around a person who has been exposed to COVID and has some natural immunity. I'm not going to make exact claims about what that science concludes, but it is stupid to require somebody to get a shot if they had COVID 3 weeks earlier and we don't have good safety data on effects of getting vaccinated while you are still recovering from COVID. If it is a mandate for things like police/medical staff only that factors in the latest science when it comes from antibodies from natural immunity for people who have already been exposed. That is something I'd consider supporting. But if you are treating an unvaccinated person who has been exposed to COVID (and perhaps even got very sick from it) as medically identical to an unvaccinated person who has never been exposed to COVID, you are not being scientifically accurate. We have tons of data showing the necessity and safety of the vaccines for people who have never have COVID, what data we do have on vaccinating people who already had COVID is somewhat more limited, but much more important is different. Anybody with any sense knows that somebody who has had a bad case of COVID 3 weeks ago vs somebody who hasn't had COVID at all are going to (on average) have a different response to vaccination. This doesn't mean the end result is different. But yeah, you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE science before I respect your borderline authoritarian policy stance. Shut the fuck up. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:959067171] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>That's not at all the logic. It is illegal to DRIVE drunk, but it is not illegal to BE drunk. A full government mandate would mean it's effectively illegal to BE unvaccinated. If you need employment for healthcare, rent, survival, and you are banned from working everywhere if you are unvaccinated then a government mandate would mean it's illegal to BE unvaccinated. I support businesses that want to require proof of vaccination to shop there, that's not a vaccine mandate. A vaccine mandate is a government mandate that basically blocks somebody from all employment (and thus from survival) if they are unvaccinated. This is not ok. And anybody defending the vaccine mandate in it's current form looks pretty stupid if they don't at least acknowledge it needs to be updated to factor in science based around a person who has been exposed to COVID and has some natural immunity. I'm not going to make exact claims about what that science concludes, but it is stupid to require somebody to get a shot if they had COVID 3 weeks earlier and we don't have good safety data on effects of getting vaccinated while you are still recovering from COVID. If it is a mandate for things like police/medical staff only that factors in the latest science when it comes from antibodies from natural immunity for people who have already been exposed. That is something I'd consider supporting. But if you are treating an unvaccinated person who has been exposed to COVID (and perhaps even got very sick from it) as medically identical to an unvaccinated person who has never been exposed to COVID, you are not being scientifically accurate. We have tons of data showing the necessity and safety of the vaccines for people who have never have COVID, what data we do have on vaccinating people who already had COVID is somewhat more limited, but much more important is different. Anybody with any sense knows that somebody who has had a bad case of COVID 3 weeks ago vs somebody who hasn't had COVID at all are going to (on average) have a different response to vaccination. This doesn't mean the end result is different. But yeah, you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE science before I respect your borderline authoritarian policy stance.</quote>Shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/15/21 4:18:19 PM #41:	joe40001 posted... A full government mandate would mean it's effectively illegal to BE unvaccinated. If you need employment for healthcare, rent, survival, and you are banned from working everywhere if you are unvaccinated then a government mandate would mean it's illegal to BE unvaccinated. getting vaccinated is the easiest thing to do ever even a guy who's called pussyboi didn't have a problem getting his --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:959067247] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>A full government mandate would mean it's effectively illegal to BE unvaccinated. If you need employment for healthcare, rent, survival, and you are banned from working everywhere if you are unvaccinated then a government mandate would mean it's illegal to BE unvaccinated.</quote>getting vaccinated is the easiest thing to do ever even a guy who's called pussyboi didn't have a problem getting his </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/15/21 4:18:51 PM #42:	#40 post of the year IMO --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:959067272] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>#40 post of the year IMO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:25:19 PM #43:	nfearurspecimn posted... my catboy0_0 account got banned and have burned through an account or two in the meantime My opinion is that whether it's forced or not, if it's the same thing, you would be for it whether or not it was mandated. Like do people suddenly have a problem with seatbelt laws even if they think everyone should wear seatbelts? If you refuse life saving medicine just because there's a mandate, you're just being oppositional/defiant imo. Totally disagree. I addressed the seatbelt comment elsewhere. I am very pro seatbelts. (And my mom's husband doesn't usually wear them, but I was able to slowly convince him to with empathy btw). It comes down to principle. Forgive me for going to extremes, but I think it will illuminate things. I support everybody for whom we know it to be safe (which is most people) to get vaccinated. In fact I encourage it. I do argue they make sure the doctors aspirate to make sure it isn't accidently being injected into a vein. But based on all data I strongly encourage people to get vaccinated. That said, even if I have a strong opinion about it, I would not support the police going door to door, and forcing each person that I agree should get vaccinated to be vaccinated. It's not my place, nor is it the government or police's place to force that on them. Be honest. Would you support this type of door to door enforced vaccination policy? Because I honestly don't see how the "if you support vaccines you support the mandate" logic doesn't extend to there. Obviously they are not the same thing, but I think by framing it this way it becomes more clear why I object to the mandate. It's not my place or the government's place to force people to do "the right thing", the government, the police, etc, they are all designed and have policies that prevent people from doing the wrong thing. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959067495] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>my catboy0_0 account got banned and have burned through an account or two in the meantime My opinion is that whether it's forced or not, if it's the same thing, you would be for it whether or not it was mandated. Like do people suddenly have a problem with seatbelt laws even if they think everyone should wear seatbelts? If you refuse life saving medicine just because there's a mandate, you're just being oppositional/defiant imo.</quote> Totally disagree. I addressed the seatbelt comment elsewhere. I am very pro seatbelts. (And my mom's husband doesn't usually wear them, but I was able to slowly convince him to with empathy btw). It comes down to principle. Forgive me for going to extremes, but I think it will illuminate things. I support everybody for whom we know it to be safe (which is most people) to get vaccinated. In fact I encourage it. I do argue they make sure the doctors aspirate to make sure it isn't accidently being injected into a vein. But based on all data I strongly encourage people to get vaccinated. That said, even if I have a strong opinion about it, I would not support the police going door to door, and forcing each person that I agree should get vaccinated to be vaccinated. It's not my place, nor is it the government or police's place to force that on them. Be honest. Would you support this type of door to door enforced vaccination policy? Because I honestly don't see how the "if you support vaccines you support the mandate" logic doesn't extend to there. Obviously they are not the same thing, but I think by framing it this way it becomes more clear why I object to the mandate. It's not my place or the government's place to force people to do "the right thing", the government, the police, etc, they are all designed and have policies that prevent people from doing the wrong thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:34:33 PM #44:	Compsognathus posted... Shut the fuck up. What about what I said was wrong? How can you advocate for a vaccine mandate if you don't advocate for using the most up to date science to inform it? And every single scientist or reasonable person acknowledges that on average a person who has had COVID is going to respond differently to the vaccine than somebody who has not. That scientific fact should obviously be factored into the policy if we want it to be effective. Even if the policy still results in even people with natural immunity getting vaccinated. We should know that "oh the science shows they only need 1 shot due to previous exposure" or "oh the science shows their 2nd shot should be more delayed". Anybody who says "we should completely ignore all science about this large and important demographic who already has had COVID within our vaccine mandate" obviously isn't being scientific. If you are pro-mandate then surely you want to make the mandate as scientifically prudent as possible, right? Can any reasonable person explain to me why the vaccine mandate is better without any considerations for the science around previous exposure to COVID in it's policy? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959067793] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite> <quote>Shut the fuck up.</quote> What about what I said was wrong? How can you advocate for a vaccine mandate if you don't advocate for using the most up to date science to inform it? And every single scientist or reasonable person acknowledges that on average a person who has had COVID is going to respond differently to the vaccine than somebody who has not. That scientific fact should obviously be factored into the policy if we want it to be effective. Even if the policy still results in even people with natural immunity getting vaccinated. We should know that "oh the science shows they only need 1 shot due to previous exposure" or "oh the science shows their 2nd shot should be more delayed". Anybody who says "we should completely ignore all science about this large and important demographic who already has had COVID within our vaccine mandate" obviously isn't being scientific. If you are pro-mandate then surely you want to make the mandate as scientifically prudent as possible, right? Can any reasonable person explain to me why the vaccine mandate is better without any considerations for the science around previous exposure to COVID in it's policy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 10/15/21 4:36:23 PM #45:	It's not illegal to be unvaccinated nor is anyone proposing it to be so. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:959067851] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>It's not illegal to be unvaccinated nor is anyone proposing it to be so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:37:25 PM #46:	mario2000 posted... It's not illegal to be unvaccinated nor is anyone proposing it to be so. How would you define the mandate? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959067884] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not illegal to be unvaccinated nor is anyone proposing it to be so.</quote> How would you define the mandate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 10/15/21 4:40:37 PM #47:	joe40001 posted... How would you define the mandate? I'm not the one defining it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/ --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:959067989] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>How would you define the mandate?</quote> I'm not the one defining it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---Up 10/15/21 4:42:25 PM #48:	For the love of god, Joenumbers. Please, PLEASE, pay close attention to my username. <cite>ShutTheF---Up posted [p:959068040] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>For the love of god, Joenumbers. Please, PLEASE, pay close attention to my username. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:44:38 PM #49:	mario2000 posted... I'm not the one defining it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/ The issue is, this allows for people to be "Requiring All Employers with 100+ Employees to Ensure their Workers are Vaccinated or Tested Weekly" Which most people support. I support that, that's a reasonable compromise. But I work in a place that is considered a government contractor, and they basically said "yeah the government isn't doing the testing part, everybody is required to be vaccinated." And even though I'm vaccinated and it doesn't impact me, that's not the policy you linked to. And so I don't think that's what anybody here is talking about. I'm ok with a mandate that allows testing in leu of vaccination. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959068110] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not the one defining it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/</quote> The issue is, this allows for people to be "Requiring All Employers with 100+ Employees to Ensure their Workers are Vaccinated or Tested Weekly" Which most people support. I support that, that's a reasonable compromise. But I work in a place that is considered a government contractor, and they basically said "yeah the government isn't doing the testing part, everybody is required to be vaccinated." And even though I'm vaccinated and it doesn't impact me, that's not the policy you linked to. And so I don't think that's what anybody here is talking about. I'm ok with a mandate that allows testing in leu of vaccination. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 10/15/21 4:45:40 PM #50:	ShutTheF---Up posted... For the love of god, Joenumbers. Please, PLEASE, pay close attention to my username. Tell me one thing I've said that is factually wrong and I will stop posting in this topic. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959068144] in "I'm ... [t:79712352]...</cite> <quote>ShutTheF---Up posted... </cite> <quote>For the love of god, Joenumbers. Please, PLEASE, pay close attention to my username.</quote> Tell me one thing I've said that is factually wrong and I will stop posting in this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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