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codey 10/20/21 6:19:04 PM #1:	JRPGs at least. For some reason devs think making a fight 15 minutes long because the enemy has 1m hp is good design and I'll never figure it out. I gave Xenoblade Chronicles 2 a shot because everyone said it was a good Switch RPG and holy shit even the regular enemies take like 5 minutes to kill sometimes, this is terrible. The fights aren't even hard, they're just annoying because they last so long and the battle system isn't good enough for me to want them to be drawn out. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:959231612] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>JRPGs at least. For some reason devs think making a fight 15 minutes long because the enemy has 1m hp is good design and I'll never figure it out. I gave Xenoblade Chronicles 2 a shot because everyone said it was a good Switch RPG and holy shit even the regular enemies take like 5 minutes to kill sometimes, this is terrible. The fights aren't even hard, they're just annoying because they last so long and the battle system isn't good enough for me to want them to be drawn out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sabrestorm 10/20/21 6:21:56 PM #3:	Very bad game design --- No worries no, dilemmas no <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:959231707] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>Very bad game design </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 10/20/21 6:28:05 PM #4:	To be fair, JRPG's aren't the only genre's who are guilty of this shit. But I agree, it's shitty game design to think long boss battles are fun. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:959231879] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, JRPG's aren't the only genre's who are guilty of this shit. But I agree, it's shitty game design to think long boss battles are fun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/20/21 6:30:31 PM #5:	if your boss battle takes more than 5 or so minutes then it's probably some ridiculous grindfest --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:959231955] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>if your boss battle takes more than 5 or so minutes then it's probably some ridiculous grindfest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
inTaCtfuL 10/20/21 6:31:32 PM #6:	Don't most games do this? Hell aren't difficulty settings in games just making you do less damage and taking more damage from the enemy? --- i7-3970X Extreme ~ Asus Rampage IV Extreme ~ 32 GB DDR3-2133 ~ 10 TB 7200RPM ~ 500 GB SSD ~ 690 x2 ~ 1200 W PSU Gold ~ <cite>inTaCtfuL posted [p:959231983] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>Don't most games do this? Hell aren't difficulty settings in games just making you do less damage and taking more damage from the enemy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaVeNII7 10/20/21 6:32:33 PM #7:	inTaCtfuL posted... Don't most games do this? Hell aren't difficulty settings in games just making you do less damage and taking more damage from the enemy? If theyve got poor difficulty design, yes. Difficulty can be made so much more interesting than that. --- PSN/Steam: HaVeNII7 <cite>HaVeNII7 posted [p:959232008] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>inTaCtfuL posted... </cite> <quote>Don't most games do this? Hell aren't difficulty settings in games just making you do less damage and taking more damage from the enemy?</quote>If theyve got poor difficulty design, yes. Difficulty can be made so much more interesting than that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmbraceOfDeath 10/20/21 6:32:52 PM #8:	codey posted... JRPGs at least. For some reason devs think making a fight 15 minutes long because the enemy has 1m hp is good design and I'll never figure it out. I gave Xenoblade Chronicles 2 a shot because everyone said it was a good Switch RPG and holy shit even the regular enemies take like 5 minutes to kill sometimes, this is terrible. The fights aren't even hard, they're just annoying because they last so long and the battle system isn't good enough for me to want them to be drawn out. The battles are slow at the start of the game but are much faster as you progress and start doing driver/blade combos and chain attacks consistently. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej <cite>EmbraceOfDeath posted [p:959232015] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>codey posted... </cite> <quote>JRPGs at least. For some reason devs think making a fight 15 minutes long because the enemy has 1m hp is good design and I'll never figure it out. I gave Xenoblade Chronicles 2 a shot because everyone said it was a good Switch RPG and holy shit even the regular enemies take like 5 minutes to kill sometimes, this is terrible. The fights aren't even hard, they're just annoying because they last so long and the battle system isn't good enough for me to want them to be drawn out.</quote>The battles are slow at the start of the game but are much faster as you progress and start doing driver/blade combos and chain attacks consistently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DepreceV2 10/20/21 6:34:48 PM #9:	I dont mind them being long more so for the theme of a boss. A boss feels like he is more difficult within the story when he takes a while to defeat. Granted, 15 minutes long is a very long battle I would only find acceptable from a Final Boss while not being optimal. Plus, there obviously needs to be a difficulty increase, not just an HP increase --- Reminder: On March 2nd, 2021, Texas removed mask mandates and allowed 100% capacity for businesses. <cite>DepreceV2 posted [p:959232070] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>I dont mind them being long more so for the theme of a boss. A boss feels like he is more difficult within the story when he takes a while to defeat. Granted, 15 minutes long is a very long battle I would only find acceptable from a Final Boss while not being optimal. Plus, there obviously needs to be a difficulty increase, not just an HP increase </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 10/20/21 6:47:36 PM #10:	The final boss in persona 5 took me an hour to beat. It was epic. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:959232402] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>The final boss in persona 5 took me an hour to beat. It was epic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/20/21 6:49:04 PM #11:	Dark Souls had it down to a science. Just make everything more lethal --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959232451] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>Dark Souls had it down to a science. Just make everything more lethal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanaya413 10/20/21 6:50:34 PM #12:	OVERGOATED posted... There was an MMO with a battle that took two days or something. People were pissing in diapers and fainting by the time it was over. What the fuck <cite>Kanaya413 posted [p:959232500] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>OVERGOATED posted... </cite> <quote>There was an MMO with a battle that took two days or something. People were pissing in diapers and fainting by the time it was over.</quote>What the fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 10/20/21 6:51:08 PM #13:	Why MUST rpgs have long stories too? --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:959232516] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>Why MUST rpgs have long stories too? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cookie Bag 10/20/21 6:52:05 PM #14:	Kanaya413 posted... What the fuck Pretty sure it was FF11? that game is shitty grindfests exemplified --- https://imgur.com/gGHBH0F https://imgur.com/rNfCKIS https://imgur.com/Fj3wSVn https://imgur.com/OoMcG77 <cite>Cookie Bag posted [p:959232541] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>Kanaya413 posted... </cite> <quote>What the fuck</quote>Pretty sure it was FF11? that game is shitty grindfests exemplified </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PowerOats 10/20/21 6:55:44 PM #16:	I can appreciate a longer fight so long as the fight is paced well and is engaging A good example is FF7Remakes ~~Dreamweaver~~ fight 3 phases, figuring out how to properly open it's defense while avoiding the chaos on the field <cite>PowerOats posted [p:959232639] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>I can appreciate a longer fight so long as the fight is paced well and is engaging A good example is FF7Remakes Dreamweaver fight 3 phases, figuring out how to properly open it's defense while avoiding the chaos on the field</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charey 10/20/21 6:58:26 PM #17:	OVERGOATED posted... There was an MMO with a battle that took two days or something. People were pissing in diapers and fainting by the time it was over. That was Absolute Virtue, a monster that was supposed to be unbeatable but players went and beat it anyways. --- I won't have it! I'm not having anyone talk about me in the past tense! ~Squall Leonhart <cite>charey posted [p:959232715] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>OVERGOATED posted... </cite> <quote>There was an MMO with a battle that took two days or something. People were pissing in diapers and fainting by the time it was over.</quote>That was Absolute Virtue, a monster that was supposed to be unbeatable but players went and beat it anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/20/21 7:02:13 PM #18:	OVERGOATED posted... https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pandemonium_Warden okay so it was 18 hours and it was nerfed after, but it's still amazing. https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Absolute_Virtue Absolute Virtue had, on several occasions, been fought and held by linkshells for over 30 hours trying to defeat it, to no avail. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:959232820] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>OVERGOATED posted...</cite> <quote> https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pandemonium_Warden okay so it was 18 hours and it was nerfed after, but it's still amazing. </quote> https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Absolute_Virtue <quote>Absolute Virtue had, on several occasions, been fought and held by linkshells for over 30 hours trying to defeat it, to no avail. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/20/21 7:02:51 PM #19:	charey posted... That was Absolute Virtue, a monster that was supposed to be unbeatable but players went and beat it anyways. Just to clarify it wasn't unbeatable and the fight didn't take two days and he despawns in 8 hours once aggroed. Any story about it taking 2 days is going to involve either glitches or counting the camping time. And the fight itself didn't take long the people attempting it were just fucking idiots and didn't understand to kill the adds that heal him for some reason. If you rereleased that fight today it would be down within a few days. MMO players are a lot smarter now than they used to be. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:959232843] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>charey posted... </cite> <quote>That was Absolute Virtue, a monster that was supposed to be unbeatable but players went and beat it anyways.</quote> Just to clarify it wasn't unbeatable and the fight didn't take two days and he despawns in 8 hours once aggroed. Any story about it taking 2 days is going to involve either glitches or counting the camping time. And the fight itself didn't take long the people attempting it were just fucking idiots and didn't understand to kill the adds that heal him for some reason. If you rereleased that fight today it would be down within a few days. MMO players are a lot smarter now than they used to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 10/20/21 7:14:06 PM #20:	Lairen posted... Why MUST rpgs have long stories too? You should be able to beat EVERY game in 45 minutes. --- The web of destiny carries your blood and soul back to the Genesis of my life form. I'm softer than a daisy, if you cut me I'll bleed pink <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:959233165] in RPGs need ... [t:79720558]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite> <quote>Why MUST rpgs have long stories too?</quote> You should be able to beat EVERY game in 45 minutes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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