Current Events > Gun misfires and kills woman on set of new Alec Baldwin movie

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Christian RULES posted...

His ass is going to prison

he's not, unless it was proven it was intentional
Manslaughter is probably what's going to happen at the most. He might not even be charged, but the the studio could potentially. Are actors supposed to check if the gun is malfunctioned or is the responsibility of the crew?

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i bet alex went up to the prop master and said "i'm the guy who does his job you must be the other guy"

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This is a prop department fatal error. Actors are not in charge of props. Fake guns are used on set, Alec Baldwin is innocent in this tragedy.
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Why they sending a loaded gun.wtf

Explain to me why guns arent restricted again

ledbowman posted...

i bet alex went up to the prop master and said "i'm the guy who does his job you must be the other guy"

Hey, hows ya mother?
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https://www.justjared.com/2021/10/21/alec-baldwin-fired-the-prop-gun-that-killed-cinematographer-injured-director-on-rust-set-police-confirm/

It has been confirmed by authorities that Alec Baldwin is the person who fired the prop gun that killed a crew member on the set of his upcoming movie Rust.

The victim has been identified as cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and the films writer and director Joel Souza has been identified as the second person who was injured.

The Santa Fes Sheriffs Department has released a lengthy statement detailing what happened.

The Sheriffs department said, Santa Fe County Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set of the western Rust, October 21, 2021, when an 911 caller reported a shooting on the set.

The sheriffs office confirms that two individuals were shot on the set of Rust. Halyna Hutchins, 42, director of photography and Joel Souza, 48, director, were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer and actor, the statement continued.

Ms. Hutchins was transported, via helicopter, to University of New Mexico Hospital where she was pronounced dead by medical personnel. Mr. Souza was transported by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical center where he is undergoing treatment for his injuries, they concluded. This investigation remains open and active. No charges have been filed in regard to this incident. Witnesses continue to be interviewed by detectives.

It appears that Alec will not be charged in this tragic accident.

So the lead actor literally shot the two most important people in the production and killed one of them, essentially.

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Not surprised it was Alec Baldwin, he is anti gun (which means he doesnt know what the fuck he's doing) and a fucking goob in general.

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Christian RULES posted...

His ass is going to prison

you people are fucking children.

Hes not responsible for checking the guns for malfunctions, and is outright an innocent victim in this that will have to live with massive guilt.

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yemmy posted...

Not surprised it was Alec Baldwin, he is anti gun (which means he doesnt know what the fuck he's doing) and a fucking goob in general.

it was a PROP GUN that fired BLANKS. Theres no reason for him to assume anything different, so tell me, how the fuck would a greater knowledge of guns avoided this situation? The prop department fucked this one up.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

it was a PROP GUN that fired BLANKS. Theres no reason for him to assume anything different, so tell me, how the fuck would a greater knowledge of guns avoided this situation? The prop department fucked this one up.

I agree the prop department fucked this up but you should still treat all guns like dangerous weapons at all times. I don't even fuck around with safety habits with airsoft unless I'm actually shooting at someone.

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prop department lost their jobs today at minimum

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

it was a PROP GUN that fired BLANKS. Theres no reason for him to assume anything different, so tell me, how the fuck would a greater knowledge of guns avoided this situation? The prop department fucked this one up.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I agree the prop department fucked this up but you should still treat all guns like dangerous weapons at all times. I don't even fuck around with safety habits with airsoft unless I'm actually shooting at someone.

Alex Baldwin is a producer on the film, so will any negligence charges be in the future?
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

it was a PROP GUN that fired BLANKS. Theres no reason for him to assume anything different, so tell me, how the fuck would a greater knowledge of guns avoided this situation? The prop department fucked this one up.

His production company hired the armourers. He's not just some no name actor that was given a gun. He will be held responsible in a court of law, he just won't be held criminally liable because he's rich as fuck.

And prop guns are very much real guns. How TF you think Brandon Lee died? They usually have blank adapters, or maybe not if they were doing a close up of the muzzle and wanted it to look real.

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Sounds like a really bad accident on Alec Baldwin's part. The question is who put live rounds in the gun in the first place...

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accidentally catching a body is a shitty feeling
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yemmy posted...

And prop guns are very much real guns. How TF you think Brandon Lee died? They usually have blank adapters, or maybe not if they were doing a close up of the muzzle and wanted it to look real.

I already explained how Brandon Lee died. He was shot by a real gun, not a prop gun. They didn't have any live ammo on set. They used a combination of squibs and blanks. The bullet on the squib broke off inside the gun as the gun was loaded with blanks effectively making a real bullet.

Prop guns cannot fire bullets they can only fire blanks. It should be impossible to actually fit a live ammo or squib into a prop gun.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

They used a combination of squibs and blanks. The bullet on the squib broke off inside the gun as the gun was loaded with blanks effectively making a real bullet.

A squib is a real bullet.

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yemmy posted...

A squib is a real bullet.

By real bullet in this case I mean something identical to live ammo. The squib that killed Brandon came from dummy ammo. The bullet itself was real but there wasn't anything to actually fire it. The hit from the hammer dislodged the bullet into the gun that killed Brandon when it was later reloaded with blanks.

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Scorsese2002 posted...

This is a prop department fatal error. Actors are not in charge of props. Fake guns are used on set, Alec Baldwin is innocent in this tragedy.

I mean, yes, but Alec Baldwin just picked up a gun, pointed it at someone as a joke, and pulled the trigger. That's manslaughter. I don't care if it shouldn't have been loaded or not. You never, ever, ever do that. That's common sense. That's literally the first rule of gun safety. Alec Baldwin is principally responsible for this shooting. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. That's like swerving your car into pedestrians "as a prank", because you thought you'd have enough time to break. Fucking insane.

Some scenes might dictate the usage of live ammo in order to get a certain shot. Certainly not without express training, usually stunt actors, and no one down range of the shooting, of course. Of course, in such situations should he kept under very close watch and closely controlled, which they likely weren't here. I mean, Alec Baldwin could have grabbed a loaded gun out of the weapon master's hand or something crazy, but likely the gun wasn't properly controlled.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

By real bullet in this case I mean something identical to live ammo. The squib that killed Brandon came from dummy ammo. The bullet itself was real but there wasn't anything to actually fire it. The hit from the hammer dislodged the bullet into the gun that killed Brandon when it was later reloaded with blanks.

The dummy round prob had a primer but no actual propellant, because if not then there it is no way it coulda fired.

The Brandon Lee thing is so weird that you would think nothing like that ever happen again. But here we are, and it has to be something similar, because like you said a gun with a blank adapter usually can't even chamber a live round.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

it was a PROP GUN that fired BLANKS. Theres no reason for him to assume anything different, so tell me, how the fuck would a greater knowledge of guns avoided this situation? The prop department fucked this one up.

A PROP GUN can still be a REAL GUN and I guarantee you this has been explained to Alec multiple times on sets over his career. Many prop guns need to be able to cycle and chamber rounds just like regular guns. You're not going to CGI the gun ejecting cartidges. Only a subset of prop guns are going to be what we call "deactivated", meaning unable to fire, and their only use is for your goons to stand around holding or pointing in people's faces.

Treat all guns like loaded guns until PROVEN otherwise. I don't know how many times those words need to be beat into people's head. This was absolutely inexcusable. Both Baldwin's and the Prop department's are at fault for this woman's death.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I mean, yes, but Alec Baldwin just picked up a gun, pointed it at someone as a joke, and pulled the trigger.

Truly big if true.

I thought they were filming a scene or some shit. If he really was really joking around like that and killed someone he is 100% guilty of negligent homicide.

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So y'all can educate yourself.

https://youtu.be/GnOUrRTf6jg

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Many films have the actor point the gun at the camera and fire, like a first person view of the victim.

This is probably what happened and it hit the people right behind.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

So y'all can educate yourself.

https://youtu.be/GnOUrRTf6jg

Off topic, forgotten weapons is fucking awesome. One of my favorite YouTube channels

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yemmy posted...

Truly big if true.

I thought they were filming a scene or some shit. If he really was really joking around like that and killed someone he is 100% guilty of negligent homicide.

I should clarify that's speculation on my part, but the likely hood that he would shoot someone while acting out a rehearsal and that person would be a member of the production crew raises red flags to me. Why would he need to pull the trigger during a rehearsal of the scene? If you did, why would you be shooting towards the production staff? It doesn't really add up, but we obviously need more info.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

A PROP GUN can still be a REAL GUN and I guarantee you this has been explained to Alec multiple times on sets over his career. Many prop guns need to be able to cycle and chamber rounds just like regular guns. You're not going to CGI the gun ejecting cartidges. Only a subset of prop guns are going to be what we call "deactivated", meaning unable to fire, and their only use is for your goons to stand around holding or pointing in people's faces.

Treat all guns like loaded guns until PROVEN otherwise. I don't know how many times those words need to be beat into people's head. This was absolutely inexcusable. Both Baldwin's and the Prop department's are at fault for this woman's death.

Yeah, pretty much what I was trying to say, but see some still can't differentiate the two. It can be fully functioning or rendered safe, but once it's on set of a theater or film it effectively becomes 'a prop'. Sometimes it's a deadly prop.
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My guess, based on them saying it was a rehearsal, was that they were trying to find a great camera angle and see how it looked. Probably to fire or cock the gun towards the camera and thus fired it at the two behind the camera or whatever they were doing. That, at least could be understandable.

It still comes down to negligence on the prop department or gun master. Or it could be someone who sabotaged it by slipping live rounds on set.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I should clarify that's speculation on my part, but the likely hood that he would shoot someone while acting out a rehearsal and that person would be a member of the production crew raises red flags to me. Why would he need to pull the trigger during a rehearsal of the scene? If you did, why would you be shooting towards the production staff? It doesn't really add up, but we obviously need more info.

I suspect someone who was there is going to tell everything to TMZ at some point.

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Yeah, we'll need to see. There's a chance that Alec was given specific instructions to do what he did with that gun and none of it is on him, but I know how 99% of gun accidents occur and basically none of them include "Prop loaded obviously live ammunition into a gun that was going to be pointed at people.

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The movie is about a 13-year-old boy who is left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, according to the Internet Movie Database website. The teen goes on the run with his long-estranged grandfather (played by Baldwin) after the boy is sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a local rancher.

Morbid as fuck coincidence.
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Hoodroar posted...

Morbid as fuck coincidence.

If the director dies I expect the movie will be cancelled.

The movie may be cancelled regardless. I don't know how Alec is handling what happened but it's probably not well.

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Has this ever happened besides Brandon Lee

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some one should get a manslaughter charge for this

also as others have said dont use real guns on sets ever use CGI to make it look like it fires a real bullet

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AceMos posted...

some one should get a manslaughter charge for this

also as others have said dont use real guns on sets ever use CGI to make it look like it fires a real bullet

It was a rehearsal so they were trying to figure out how they wanted the shot to look first. The final scene in post production would have been CGI'd and VFX'd.

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It's weird they used prop guns for a rehearsal instead of rubber guns or replica guns. Like 99% of sets would never use a prop gun for a rehearsal. Whoever decided to use a prop gun during the rehearsal is a fucking idiot. And if they loaded a prop gun with a 1/2 load in a rehearsal space then that's blatant incompetence.
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Do we know if he was filming a scene shooting towards the camera? It may explain how both got shot

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deanshow posted...

Do we know if he was filming a scene shooting towards the camera? It may explain how both got shot

We don't know for sure but this was during a rehearsal so it seems like a likely explanation.

The alternative would be Alec is just casually firing guns in random directions based on temperament

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MrMallard posted...

Shit, RIP. She went out like Brandon Lee.

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It's a horrible situation for all involved. That poor woman who died most of all, obviously, but Baldwin having to live with knowing that he killed someone in an accident that wasn't his fault is horrendous, too.

The prop department really have some serious questions to answer.

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If it were a rehearsal they probably didnt have the regular camera equipment they'd be using for an actual shoot (tho they could have). Most likely a handheld camera tho. They were probably closer than they would be for the actual shot, especially if the camera they had didn't have a lens like a camcorder.

I've heard that a 1/2 load prop gun is able to kill if shot within 5 ft of someone. I don't think a 1/4 load would kill someone but I'm not sure. I've worked on sets with prop guns before, tho I've never had to actually deal with them. I've shot a prop gun or two in the air tho (not on set lol), both 1/2 and 1/4 load, and the 1/2 load shot is insane.
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I worked the opening scene of The World Made Straight, and I can only speculate that they were setting up a point blank shot.
We did the same thing for the killing the kid shot but the gun involved with that shot was the only non-functional prop gun on set. Any history nerd/movie nerd can note the gun is not even cocked that the dude aims at the camera.
Movie crews are usually super strict about guns and treating even the nonfunctional ones as real so something incredibly wrong went down.


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I can't believe how many stupid, ignorant people exist in this world. We're all going to hell.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

If the director dies I expect the movie will be cancelled.

The movie may be cancelled regardless. I don't know how Alec is handling what happened but it's probably not well.

Saw a report that Alec could not stop crying. This is damaging to his psyche for sure as it would anyone.

Assuming he has never killed anyone intentionally (which is safe to say). Yes, you kill someone accidentally when you did what you were instructed to, it will damage your psyche for the rest of your life. This is sad all around.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

A PROP GUN can still be a REAL GUN and I guarantee you this has been explained to Alec multiple times on sets over his career. Many prop guns need to be able to cycle and chamber rounds just like regular guns. You're not going to CGI the gun ejecting cartidges. Only a subset of prop guns are going to be what we call "deactivated", meaning unable to fire, and their only use is for your goons to stand around holding or pointing in people's faces.

Treat all guns like loaded guns until PROVEN otherwise. I don't know how many times those words need to be beat into people's head. This was absolutely inexcusable. Both Baldwin's and the Prop department's are at fault for this woman's death.

This is what happened when you have idiots like Alec Baldwin who are so Anti-Gun that he doesn't bother to learn the basics of Safe Gun Handling, Operation, & Usage; something that anybody in the 2A community gets drilled with repeatedly until it's second nature. His lacksidaisical attitude is to blame, don't just blame it on the prop master.

You're PERSONALLY responsible for everything you point that gun at, if you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's going on inside your gun and if it's loaded with a live round in the chamber, or a blank, or if it's snap cap dummy round.

Don't just treat it like a toy or prop. Alec Baldwin needs to take PERSONAL responsibility / accountability.

If you're dealing with FireArms, EVERYBODY on set needs to know the absolute basics of Safe Handling, Operation, & Usage of FireArms. Have it drilled into them until it's second nature.

Ton's of Gun Guys on YouTube don't have this problem because they learn the basics of Safe FireArm Handling, Operation, & Usage and live by those rules FOR LIFE.

Here are some of the basic rules for Safe Handling, Operation, & Usage of FireArms:

Safe Handling of a FireArm is taught 1st (Teach them the ACTS, Acronym) <NOTE: Yes, I am borrowing Canada's Gun Safety Handling Acronym>
(A)ssume every FireArm is loaded. If you have even the slightest of doubts if a FireArm is loaded; the answer will ALWAYS be "It's Loaded"
(C)ontrol the muzzle direction at all times. In a worst case scenario of accidental/negligent discharge, you want to make sure that the FireArm is pointed in a Safe Direction such that nothing important gets hurt
(T)rigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard. You can't accidentally set off the trigger if your finger is nowhere near that trigger
(S)ee that the firearm is unloaded. PROVE it safe. Accidents can happen due to negligence of checking the condition of the FireArm, don't be that lazy person who is the cause of an accidental injury or death.

Safe Operating Conditions is taught 2nd (Teach them the SAFE, Acronym)
(S)ee to it that ALL people nearby, around you, and close to you follow the EXACT same Safety Rules so that everybody is operating under similar Safety Protocols & Procedures.
(A)lways be sure that the barrel and action are clear of obstructions.
(F)orbid any usage of a FireArm should you be mentally impaired due to Alcohol, Drugs (Legal or Illegal), Drowsiness, Tiredness, Concussed Status, Mentally Impaired due to a Condition, etc.
(E)mpty all guns when not in active use, take out the magazine or clip, empty all rounds from the tube/cylinder, unload the round in the chamber/chambers.

Safe Usage of the FireArm is taught 3rd (Teach them the SITES, Acronym)
(S)ee the target with your own eyes, never fire at anything you cannot see directly.
(I)dentify the target and make sure that is the target you want to fire at, never ever fire at a target you have not identified positively.
(T)rack all objects around the target; so that should you miss or penetrate the target, those objects would be acceptable collatoral damage.
Objects to the Left/Right/Ahead/Behind/Around the target and those who my be moving into the target area.
(E)xamine for any potential surfaces that might cause a ricochet or cause spawling damage to come back at you.
(S)ee to it that you are a safe distance from the target to minimize / avoid any ricochet or spawling damage coming back at you should you fire at the target.

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