Current Events > Dave Chappelle says he's willing to talk with Trans community

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This is what happens when a poc says anything that goes the grain.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Because ive seen people on CE constantly talk about how communities feel about situations.

What if I said "gay communities know(feel) that marriage doesn't have barriers". Am I saying they're a hivemind? I don't doubt there were anti-marriage equality gay people.

muchdran posted...

This is what happens when a poc says anything that goes the grain.

Oh a Candice Owens fan.

iPhone_7 posted...

Why isnt he canceled yet, what is the hold up??? End his career now!

lmao Let 'em try.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So then what is the point of people continuing to act like these communities are a hivemind?

They aren't.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

If one trans person has a problem with a joke but another is completely fine with it where does that leave the joke.(this isn't just in relation to Chappelle's bit but more of a general question.)

If there were only two trans people in the world who were weighing in on this issue, then that would be an applicable question.
If you're really interested in their perspective, then go watch a breakdown of it on youtube.

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ButteryMales posted...

What if I said "gay communities know(feel) that marriage doesn't have barriers". Am I saying they're a hivemind? I don't doubt there were anti-marriage equality gay people.

What?

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

What?

What's confusing you?

Number090684 posted...

lmao Let 'em try.

If you guys read the article, Dave had his film cancelled from every film festival.

More than reasonable demands tbqh


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ButteryMales posted...

If you guys read the article, Dave had his film cancelled from every film festival.

That's not close enough to really cancelling him though.

HairyQueen posted...

Hes going to talk to the entire trans community? Thatll take a while wont it?

Probably just whoever comes up with all the new phrases and acronyms

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Number090684 posted...

That's not close enough to really cancelling him though.

If you're illiterate, sure...

Cancelled means cancelled.

HairyQueen posted...

They aren't.

I would say that claiming any community as a whole has a problem with something strips individuals of their opinions

If there were only two trans people in the world who were weighing in on this issue, then that would be an applicable question.
If you're really interested in their perspective, then go watch a breakdown of it on youtube.

Ok so let's say 50% of a community was ok with a joke and the other half was not, where would that leave the joke?

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ButteryMales posted...

What's confusing you?

The whole thing, if you could explain the point you're trying to make it might make more sense. It might be the way you worded your post but I don't understand the point you're trying to make with it.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

The whole thing, if you could explain the point you're trying to make it might make more sense. It might be the way you worded your post but I don't understand the point you're trying to make with it.

What

Since you responded with what I assume you know what what means.

if

Is a conjunction before a purposal

I

A first person reference to myself

said

past and past participle of say.

say

utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.

Just tell me what's confusing you.

ButteryMales posted...

What

Since you responded with what I assume you know what what means.

if

Is a conjunction before a purposal

I

A first person reference to myself

said

past and past participle of say.

say

utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.

Just tell me what's confusing you.

Whatever. You don't want to have a conversation just say so. There is no need to be condescending. I'm just not sure why you would even bother replying to me if you believe I'm not actually willing to have a genuine conversation.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Whatever. You don't want to have a conversation just say so.

Okay? I've been known to tell people to "shut the fuck up".

IfGodCouldDie posted...

There is no need to be condescending.

It's fun.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm just not sure why you would even bother replying to me if you believe I'm not actually willing to have a genuine conversation.

I said it in case you're not playing stupid and actually didn't know "What if I said" means.

Do you know what a quotation mark is?

ButteryMales posted...

Okay? I've been known to tell people to "shut the fuck up".

It's fun.

I said it in case you're not playing stupid and actually didn't know "What if I said" means.

Do you know what a quotation mark is?

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

See how fun it is.

A quotation mark is this symbol "

You'll probably have a brain aneurism when you realize I used that symbol a lot.

ButteryMales posted...

See how fun it is.

A quotation mark is this symbol "

You'll probably have a brain aneurism when you realize I used that symbol a lot.

Cool.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I would say that claiming any community as a whole has a problem with something strips individuals of their opinions

Nobody is saying that.

As for your other comment, like I said, go listen to what people are saying about it and see if you agree. Youre insinuating that the validity of the criticism is arbitrary, or decided by a majority vote.

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ButteryMales posted...

Oh a Candice Owens fan.

Tell us how you really feel.

muchdran posted...

Allen you already got the Lasthissamus account. You know what to do with this one

HairyQueen posted...

Nobody is saying that.

If no one is saying that then I don't understand the point of using "communities" as a representation of what part of a group is saying.

As for your other comment, like I said, go listen to what people are saying about it and see if you agree. Youre insinuating that the validity of the criticism is arbitrary, or decided by a majority vote.

Thats not how I mean for it to come across. So I apologize if it comes across that way. My point isn't to come across as if criticism is arbitrary or only valid if agreed upon by a majority.

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Racism is out of control on this board. Poc can have opinions.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

If no one is saying that then I don't understand the point of using "communities" as a representation of what part of a group is saying.

This is a bit semantic. People use the term community to refer to individuals within that community. It rarely ever means every person within that community.

Is there a specific quote youre referring to thats confusing to you?

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HairyQueen posted...

This is a bit semantic. People use the term community to refer to individuals within that community. It rarely ever means every person within that community.

Is there a specific quote youre referring to thats confusing to you?

Don't worry about it. I appreciate that you have actually come across as someone willing to have a conversation but ButteryMales has just made me feel like shit for even attempting to make an effort to have this conversation.

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muchdran posted...

Tell us how you really feel.

Oh

Onomatopoeia uttered usually during surprise

Onomatopoeia

the formation of a word from a sound associated with what is named

a

determiner
1.
used when referring to someone or something for the first time in a text or conversation.
"a man came out of the room"
2.
used to indicate membership of a class of people or things.
"he is a lawyer"

Candice

A proper first name

Owens

A proper last name

fan

A person who admires a person, place, thing, or idea

ButteryMales posted...

If you're illiterate, sure...

Cancelled means cancelled.

Minor set back.

muchdran posted...

Racism is out of control on this board. Poc can have opinions.

?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Don't worry about it. I appreciate that you have actually come across as someone willing to have a conversation but ButteryMales has just made me feel like shit for even attempting to make an effort to have this conversation.

So are you going to answer their question? You're in no position to demand they don't worry about it.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Don't worry about it. I appreciate that you have actually come across as someone willing to have a conversation but ButteryMales has just made me feel like shit for even attempting to make an effort to have this conversation.

To offer another example, you might have heard statements like this after the recent rise in anti-Asian hate crimes: the Asian American community is afraid to walk down the street.

Now, I would understand exactly what that statement meansthat many Asian Americans feel this way. Im sure there are people in that community who werent afraid though. Even so, its a statement that people would say, and I dont imagine most people would take issue with it or claim to not understand it.

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HairyQueen posted...

To offer another example, you might have heard statements like this after the recent rise in anti-Asian hate crimes: the Asian American community is afraid to walk down the street.

Now, I would understand exactly what that statement meansthat many Asian Americans feel this way. Im sure there are people in that community who werent afraid though. Even so, its a statement that people would say, and I dont imagine most people would take issue with it or claim to not understand it.

I think that might be the issue I am having. The language revolving around generalizing an entire group of people based on the voice of some of them. Like with your example members of the Asian America community being afraid to walk down the street is totally justifiable, same as members of the trans community being upset with Chappelle's jokes. I get that. It just feels like a wide stroke to claim these entire communities might feel this way, and that might not be the intention but that's how it comes across to me. This is what leads to my original post, where is the cutoff for how we determine how a community feels about a a subject. If a community is split on a subject where should those of us outside a community stand on that subject.(this obviously off topic and I probably should have been a little more clear in my original post)

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I think that might be the issue I am having. The language revolving around generalizing an entire group of people based on the voice of some of them. Like with your example members of the Asian America community being afraid to walk down the street is totally justifiable, same as members of the trans community being upset with Chappelle's jokes. I get that. It just feels like a wide stroke to claim these entire communities might feel this way, and that might not be the intention but that's how it comes across to me. This is what leads to my original post, where is the cutoff for how we determine how a community feels about a a subject. If a community is split on a subject where should those of us outside a community stand on that subject.(this obviously off topic and I probably should have been a little more clear in my original post)

I think the more important point of focus here would be to understand the reasons behind these people feeling this way. For me, it ultimately wouldnt matter what percentage of the Asian American community was feeling afraid. The real threat of anti-Asian rhetoric and hate crimes are the problem.
Likewise, the real threat of anti-trans rhetoric and (naturally by extension) hate crimes, discrimination, and legislation is what I focus on herenot how many trans people agree or disagree with X.

If someone is interesting in understanding why many people feel that Dave is doing harm to the trans community (again, this doesnt mean hes harming every trans person), it could be productive to listen to their discussions about it. Not the slogans that protesters are shouting out, but actual discussions that can easily be found on YouTube or something.

And if you still end up disagreeing with them after that, at least you can say you heard them out, no?

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muchdran posted...

Racism is out of control on this board. Poc can have opinions.

And youre also being subtly threatened too by other users itt

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HairyQueen posted...

I think the more important point of focus here would be to understand the reasons behind these people feeling this way. For me, it ultimately wouldnt matter what percentage of the Asian American community was feeling afraid. The real threat of anti-Asian rhetoric and hate crimes are the problem.
Likewise, the real threat of anti-trans rhetoric and (naturally by extension) hate crimes, discrimination, and legislation is what I focus on herenot how many trans people agree or disagree with X.

If someone is interesting in understanding why many people feel that Dave is doing harm to the trans community (again, this doesnt mean hes harming every trans person), it could be productive to listen to their discussions about it. Not the slogans that protesters are shouting out, but actual discussions that can easily be found on YouTube or something.

And if you still end up disagreeing with them after that, at least you can say you heard them out, no?

I wholeheartedly agree with your post and hope I havent come across as someone that felt differently.

I guess it is hard for me to disassociate the two because while I believe everyone has the right to feel safe and anyone that gets in the way of that is an asshole. I also believe that the vocal minority can skew what is actually important to certain communities(im not saying that is what is happening with the Trans or Asian communities) Hell, our school board didn't want to enforce masks for kids grade 4 and under because they were under the impression that our community didn't want that because of the vocal minority of antivax/conspiracy idiots and the most recent election saw everyone of the board members that voted against it outed because of it.

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I want everyone in this audience to know that even though the media frames it that its me versus that community, that is not what it is. Do not blame the LBGTQ [sic] community for any of this shit. This has nothing to do with them. Its about corporate interests and what I can say and what I cannot say, Chappelle said. For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supporting, so I dont know what all this nonsense is about."

Yeah, thought as much.

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Ilishe posted...

I want everyone in this audience to know that even though the media frames it that its me versus that community, that is not what it is. Do not blame the LBGTQ [sic] community for any of this shit. This has nothing to do with them. Its about corporate interests and what I can say and what I cannot say, Chappelle said. For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supporting, so I dont know what all this nonsense is about."

Yeah, thought as much.

What did you think? Dave Chappelle is surrounded by sycophants?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I wholeheartedly agree with your post and hope I havent come across as someone that felt differently.

I guess it is hard for me to disassociate the two because while I believe everyone has the right to feel safe and anyone that gets in the way of that is an asshole. I also believe that the vocal minority can skew what is actually important to certain communities(im not saying that is what is happening with the Trans or Asian communities) Hell, our school board didn't want to enforce masks for kids grade 4 and under because they were under the impression that our community didn't want that because of the vocal minority of antivax/conspiracy idiots and the most recent election saw everyone of the board members that voted against it outed because of it.

For sure, whether the vocal group is actually representative of the larger whole or not, you wont get any real nuanced understanding without actively looking for it and listening to people explain their views.

Regarding the Dave comments, I immediately thought they were a bit yikes. Not saying that some of his comments werent jokes, but Id rather be laughing with people than at people, assuming I have respect for them.

I once saw a presentation about Asian representation in media by Natalie Tran. Shes a YouTuber whos been doing sketch comedy back since the EARLY days of the platform. I remember how she pointed out that she never does the Asian accent when shes impersonating her mom in her videos. And the reason she gave stuck with me. She said she never wants the joke to be shes Asian.

At that time, I felt a little annoyed about hearing that because it seemed like someone was criticizing me for laughing at jokes involving accents. Honestly, I think accents have some characteristic about them that is just naturally humorous. But I still get it. I get that not wanting to perpetuate certain types of jokes because they reinforce harmful stereotypes is totally valid. And now I still think sketches involving accents can be funny, but the context matters.

I think a lot of Daves fans might think that people criticizing the joke are also criticizing the listener for laughing at the joke. But thats not really the case. If someone doesnt ever think about trans issues, doesnt know trans people, or isnt even aware of gender issues, theyd probably not think twice about it.

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I hate it when I side with the same person that bigots are probably supporting. But yeah, I'm with Chapelle on this. I don't think any community is so special as to not get ridden by comedy.

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HairyQueen posted...

For sure, whether the vocal group is actually representative of the larger whole or not, you wont get any real nuanced understanding without actively looking for it and listening to people explain their views.

Regarding the Dave comments, I immediately thought they were a bit yikes. Not saying that some of his comments werent jokes, but Id rather be laughing with people than at people, assuming I have respect for them.

I once saw a presentation about Asian representation in media by Natalie Tran. Shes a YouTuber whos been doing sketch comedy back since the EARLY days of the platform. I remember how she pointed out that she never does the Asian accent when shes impersonating her mom in her videos. And the reason she gave stuck with me. She said she never wants the joke to be shes Asian.

At that time, I felt a little annoyed about hearing that because it seemed like someone was criticizing me for laughing at jokes involving accents. Honestly, I think accents have some characteristic about them that is just naturally humorous. But I still get it. I get that not wanting to perpetuate certain types of jokes because they reinforce harmful stereotypes is totally valid. And now I still think sketches involving accents can be funny, but the context matters.

I think a lot of Daves fans might think that people criticizing the joke are also criticizing the listener for laughing at the joke. But thats not really the case. If someone doesnt ever think about trans issues, doesnt know trans people, or isnt even aware of gender issues, theyd probably not think twice about it.

Yea this is a totally reasonable and logical well thought out post. I'm glad I was actually able to speak to someone on this subject matter, even if it didn't completely completely quench my general curiosity about how different people might feel about my original post's hypothetical.

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Guide posted...

I hate it when I side with the same person that bigots are probably supporting. But yeah, I'm with Chapelle on this. I don't think any community is so special as to not get ridden by comedy.

Can you explain how what he said about trans people was funny, or even an attempt at being funny?

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SapphicBoy posted...

Can you explain how what he said about trans people was funny, or even an attempt at being funny?

Can you explain how pineapples taste good?

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SapphicBoy posted...

Can you explain how what he said about trans people was funny, or even an attempt at being funny?

can you explain why people think rock music sounds good?

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ekie posted...

Can you explain how pineapples taste good?

They're a good combination of sweet and tart with a sharp flavor.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

can you explain why people think rock music sounds good?

It's got a beat to dance to and speaks to my teen angst.

Now your guyses turn.

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CyricZ posted...

They're a good combination of sweet and tart with a sharp flavor.

It's got a beat to dance to and speaks to my teen angst.

Now your guyses turn.

You seem to misunderstand subjectivity...on purpose?

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sevihaimerej posted...

You seem to misunderstand subjectivity...on purpose?

Not at all. I gave my subjective response to those questions.

Now it's their turn to explain why, subjectively, they found Chappelle's trans jokes funny.

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CyricZ posted...

Not at all. I gave my subjective response to those questions.

Now it's their turn to explain why, subjectively, they found Chappelle's trans jokes funny.

Ah, okay, so you're just demonstrating that subjective experiences aren't completely impossible to describe with words. Thing is that does nothing for your argument, I can tell you want them to give up trying to describe the humor in the trans jokes in the special because you think the only thing that could make them funny is bigotry, that simply isn't the case though. Once I get home I'll take a crack at it, just gonna rewatch a bit of the special first so I'm not butchering things too badly.

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