o GF and her PARENTS cause they caught them having SEX!!!

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mrduckbear 10/30/21 12:16:55 AM #1:	Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal? Yes No Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal? - Results (9 votes) Yes 22.22% (2 votes) 2 No 77.78% (7 votes) 7 19 y/o Mauricio Johnson plead guilty to THREE murders of 16 y/o Shelly May Moon and her parents, 40 y/o's Nikki Metcalf and Margarett Moon after they caught him having SEX with their underage daughter and now he was sentenced to 150 YEARS in the big house!! He plead guilty to the murders back in February as tge grisly triple murder took place at a Northern California home The AOC in California is 18 as Johnson was invited into the family's home on Ferfuary 9 with permission of several inors who lived at the home Then later that night, when most of the house has gone to bed, Metcalf, the girl's stepfather, walked into Shelly's room to check o her and found Johnson and her having SEX He then attacked the teen and punched him once where he ran from the room with his PANTS DOWN and ran into the living room pulling his pants back up and screaming at him that he was a pedophile! Metcalf followed him out of the house's living area where Johnson then branded a handgun and shot him point blank range in the head Johnson's Brother, Damon, a witness of the case spoke to his brother after the shooting and claims it was "self defense" because he stepped to him closely aggressively and soht him. The girl's biological mother, Moon, awoke from the gunfire and lookd outside where Johnson then shot her as well. Johnson then went up to the girl's bedroom to find a scared Shelly who begged him not to kill her but shot her as well so there would be no "witnesses" After the chilling murders, Johnson fled the state traveling with his mother, Melissa Sanchez and her then boyfriend, Von Keener to cross state lines A major crimes unit was called into as police swarmed the state looking for the murder and enlisting help from Nevada and Utah. Utah Patrol were notified of the murderer and an hour and 15 minutes in, a trooper found his vehicle. They had a plan to start a traffic stop but their vehicle refused and kept going before hittign spikes on the road that forced all 3 occupants out of the vehicle The teen plead guilty to avoid a life in prison without parole sentence and now face but now will go to prison until he dies Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o is inappropriate? Killer - https://i.imgur.com/4JT5vA7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nWKqj1c.png https://i.imgur.com/eidjZl1.jpg Victims - https://i.imgur.com/wL0RpwM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Vymsw2d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BFVYMJ2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/79op3Mr.jpg Aided Killer - https://i.imgur.com/mZwc6Qm.jpg --- The Users have Spoken. News Will Continue...For Now <cite>mrduckbear posted [p:959522849] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote> Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal? Yes No Vote View Results Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal? - Results (9 votes) Yes 22.22% (2 votes) 2 No 77.78% (7 votes) 7 Show Voting Form 19 y/o Mauricio Johnson plead guilty to THREE murders of 16 y/o Shelly May Moon and her parents, 40 y/o's Nikki Metcalf and Margarett Moon after they caught him having SEX with their underage daughter and now he was sentenced to 150 YEARS in the big house!! He plead guilty to the murders back in February as tge grisly triple murder took place at a Northern California home The AOC in California is 18 as Johnson was invited into the family's home on Ferfuary 9 with permission of several inors who lived at the home Then later that night, when most of the house has gone to bed, Metcalf, the girl's stepfather, walked into Shelly's room to check o her and found Johnson and her having SEX He then attacked the teen and punched him once where he ran from the room with his PANTS DOWN and ran into the living room pulling his pants back up and screaming at him that he was a pedophile! Metcalf followed him out of the house's living area where Johnson then branded a handgun and shot him point blank range in the head Johnson's Brother, Damon, a witness of the case spoke to his brother after the shooting and claims it was "self defense" because he stepped to him closely aggressively and soht him. The girl's biological mother, Moon, awoke from the gunfire and lookd outside where Johnson then shot her as well. Johnson then went up to the girl's bedroom to find a scared Shelly who begged him not to kill her but shot her as well so there would be no "witnesses" After the chilling murders, Johnson fled the state traveling with his mother, Melissa Sanchez and her then boyfriend, Von Keener to cross state lines A major crimes unit was called into as police swarmed the state looking for the murder and enlisting help from Nevada and Utah. Utah Patrol were notified of the murderer and an hour and 15 minutes in, a trooper found his vehicle. They had a plan to start a traffic stop but their vehicle refused and kept going before hittign spikes on the road that forced all 3 occupants out of the vehicle The teen plead guilty to avoid a life in prison without parole sentence and now face but now will go to prison until he dies Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o is inappropriate? Killer - https://i.imgur.com/4JT5vA7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nWKqj1c.png https://i.imgur.com/eidjZl1.jpg Victims - https://i.imgur.com/wL0RpwM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Vymsw2d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BFVYMJ2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/79op3Mr.jpg Aided Killer - https://i.imgur.com/mZwc6Qm.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/30/21 12:25:39 AM #2:	this is all sorts of terrible <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959523037] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>this is all sorts of terrible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/30/21 12:46:17 AM #3:	He went way overboard there. With the dad, he could have had self-defense. But going for the mom and girlfriend was way too far... As for the question, it's usually legal, AFAIK... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959523464] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>He went way overboard there. With the dad, he could have had self-defense. But going for the mom and girlfriend was way too far... As for the question, it's usually legal, AFAIK...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/30/21 1:39:59 AM #4:	mrduckbear posted... several inors Several what? mrduckbear posted... He then attacked the teen and punched him once where he ran from the room with his PANTS DOWN and ran into the living room pulling his pants back up and screaming at him that he was a pedophile! A 19 y/o with a 16 y/o isn't a "pedo," and that whole situation was ridiculous. If states don't have Romeo & Juliet laws for shit like this, they really should because that's a pretty small age gap. mrduckbear posted... 19 y/o Mauricio Johnson plead guilty to THREE murders of 16 y/o Shelly May Moon and her parents, 40 y/o's Nikki Metcalf and Margarett Moon after they caught him having SEX with their underage daughter and now he was sentenced to 150 YEARS in the big house!! ...did he not have a lawyer? Because that feels like the kind of punitive sentence you get from losing a case. And that sentence is absolutely fucking insane. mrduckbear posted... Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o is inappropriate? Not necessarily. mrduckbear posted... Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal? Considering that the AOC across the world is 15 or 16, it feels stupid that America and a few other nations set it at 18. However, when you have kids close in age, there need to be exemptions. And in general, a 19 y/o boy isn't likely to be much more mature than a 16 y/o girl. They're both still just kids. LinkPizza posted... He went way overboard there. With the dad, he could have had self-defense. But going for the mom and girlfriend was way too far... Yeah, he was being attacked at that point. The rest is just straight-up murder, and cold-blooded shit, too, considering he had some kind of a romantic relationship with the girl. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:959524363] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>mrduckbear posted... </cite> <quote>several inors</quote> Several what? mrduckbear posted... </cite> <quote>He then attacked the teen and punched him once where he ran from the room with his PANTS DOWN and ran into the living room pulling his pants back up and screaming at him that he was a pedophile!</quote> A 19 y/o with a 16 y/o isn't a "pedo," and that whole situation was ridiculous. If states don't have Romeo & Juliet laws for shit like this, they really should because that's a pretty small age gap. mrduckbear posted... </cite> <quote>19 y/o Mauricio Johnson plead guilty to THREE murders of 16 y/o Shelly May Moon and her parents, 40 y/o's Nikki Metcalf and Margarett Moon after they caught him having SEX with their underage daughter and now he was sentenced to 150 YEARS in the big house!!</quote> ...did he not have a lawyer? Because that feels like the kind of punitive sentence you get from losing a case. And that sentence is absolutely fucking insane. mrduckbear posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o is inappropriate?</quote> Not necessarily. mrduckbear posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal?</quote> Considering that the AOC across the world is 15 or 16, it feels stupid that America and a few other nations set it at 18. However, when you have kids close in age, there need to be exemptions. And in general, a 19 y/o boy isn't likely to be much more mature than a 16 y/o girl. They're both still just kids. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>He went way overboard there. With the dad, he could have had self-defense. But going for the mom and girlfriend was way too far...</quote> Yeah, he was being attacked at that point. The rest is just straight-up murder, and cold-blooded shit, too, considering he had some kind of a romantic relationship with the girl. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 10/30/21 7:09:01 AM #6:	VioletMassacre posted... Talk about overreaction, from both parts. Jesus Christ Almighty. getting upset over an adult man having sex with (i.e., raping) your underage daughter and then yelling at and punching them is an overreaction? putting this on equal footing with the rapist murdering an entire family is a joke. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959528502] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted... </cite> <quote>Talk about overreaction, from both parts. Jesus Christ Almighty.</quote> getting upset over an adult man having sex with (i.e., raping) your underage daughter and then yelling at and punching them is an overreaction? putting this on equal footing with the rapist murdering an entire family is a joke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 10/30/21 7:37:43 AM #8:	Fam_Fam posted... getting upset over an adult man having sex with (i.e., raping) your underage daughter and then yelling at and punching them is an overreaction? Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... And killing them all is definitely an overreaction, which I said earlier... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959528807] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>getting upset over an adult man having sex with (i.e., raping) your underage daughter and then yelling at and punching them is an overreaction?</quote> Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... And killing them all is definitely an overreaction, which I said earlier...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 10/30/21 7:40:41 AM #9:	Remember, no Russian --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:959528847] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Remember, no Russian </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/30/21 7:55:00 AM #10:	LinkPizza posted... Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... And killing them all is definitely an overreaction, which I said earlier... he should consider how much older the man raping his daughter is when thinking about how angry to be? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959529055] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... And killing them all is definitely an overreaction, which I said earlier...</quote> he should consider how much older the man raping his daughter is when thinking about how angry to be? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/30/21 7:56:00 AM #11:	VioletMassacre posted... Theyre a couple with only three years between them, not to mention it wouldve been legal in most states. Im not defending the murders but the dads reaction was over-the-top, unnecessary, and this whole thing couldve easily been avoided if he acted like a normal adult instead of a caveman. What did he think they would do? stop having sex with his underage daughter and leave his house, i assume <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959529065] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted... </cite> <quote>Theyre a couple with only three years between them, not to mention it wouldve been legal in most states. Im not defending the murders but the dads reaction was over-the-top, unnecessary, and this whole thing couldve easily been avoided if he acted like a normal adult instead of a caveman. What did he think they would do?</quote> stop having sex with his underage daughter and leave his house, i assume </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/30/21 7:56:41 AM #12:	Fam_Fam posted... he should consider how much older the man raping his daughter is when thinking about how angry to be? Yeah... Because in this case, it's usually protected by certain laws. Like the aforementioned "Romeo and Juliet" laws that many states have... Which can protect couples who are very close in age... It would be like if someone in school was dating someone a couple years younger. And then they get arrested for being an ephebophile as soon as they turn 18 because the other person is 16. That would be ridiculous... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959529071] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>he should consider how much older the man raping his daughter is when thinking about how angry to be?</quote> Yeah... Because in this case, it's usually protected by certain laws. Like the aforementioned "Romeo and Juliet" laws that many states have... Which can protect couples who are very close in age... It would be like if someone in school was dating someone a couple years younger. And then they get arrested for being an ephebophile as soon as they turn 18 because the other person is 16. That would be ridiculous...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 10/30/21 7:59:55 AM #14:	VioletMassacre posted... We will never get past this if you keep calling it rape when it wasnt. This is also true... It was consensual sex... Not rape... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959529126] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted...</cite> <quote>We will never get past this if you keep calling it rape when it wasnt.</quote> This is also true... It was consensual sex... Not rape...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 10/30/21 11:02:33 AM #15:	mrduckbear posted... Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal? No. Anything above 16 is legal here with two or more consenting people and that's fine. A three year age gap is nothing anyway providing it's legal. LinkPizza posted... Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... And killing them all is definitely an overreaction, which I said earlier... Eh. Underage sex is still breaking the law and this is still rape technically in Northern California so yeah the dad being pissed is justified. LinkPizza posted... This is also true... It was consensual sex... Not rape... Yeah it's statutory rape because you know she was underage and he is a adult. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:959532157] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>mrduckbear posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think a 19 y/o dating a 16 y/o should be illegal?</quote>No. Anything above 16 is legal here with two or more consenting people and that's fine. A three year age gap is nothing anyway providing it's legal. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... And killing them all is definitely an overreaction, which I said earlier...</quote> Eh. Underage sex is still breaking the law and this is still rape technically in Northern California so yeah the dad being pissed is justified. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>This is also true... It was consensual sex... Not rape...</quote> Yeah it's statutory rape because you know she was underage and he is a adult. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 10/30/21 11:09:12 AM #16:	VioletMassacre posted... We will never get past this if you keep calling it rape when it wasnt. Statutory rape is a thing. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:959532337] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted...</cite> <quote>We will never get past this if you keep calling it rape when it wasnt. </quote> Statutory rape is a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 10/30/21 11:17:47 AM #17:	Well isn't that special! Most people would have just run out of the house. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:959532517] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Well isn't that special! Most people would have just run out of the house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 10/30/21 11:31:30 AM #18:	lihlih posted... Statutory rape is a thing. And there are exceptions when it comes to the age part, e.g. when the age difference is small enough. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:959532848] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>Statutory rape is a thing.</quote> And there are exceptions when it comes to the age part, e.g. when the age difference is small enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 10/30/21 12:10:24 PM #19:	Nichtcrawler X posted... And there are exceptions when it comes to the age part, e.g. when the age difference is small enough. Not in the state where it took place. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:959533762] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote> And there are exceptions when it comes to the age part, e.g. when the age difference is small enough. </quote> Not in the state where it took place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/30/21 12:16:16 PM #20:	LinkPizza posted... Yeah... Because in this case, it's usually protected by certain laws. Like the aforementioned "Romeo and Juliet" laws that many states have... Which can protect couples who are very close in age... It would be like if someone in school was dating someone a couple years younger. And then they get arrested for being an ephebophile as soon as they turn 18 because the other person is 16. That would be ridiculous... it is illegal in that state -_- "California does not have a Romeo and Juliet law. This means that it is illegal for anyone to engage in sexual intercourse with a minor even for a minor to have sex with another minor." It is not protected whatsoever. Anyone having sex with his daughter is raping her, and he is completely within his rights to be upset about that. Punching him would still get you in trouble for assault (if you argue that stopping your daughter's rape isn't serving in the defense of others), but unfortunately you can't punish him for that "overreaction" because he is dead. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959533882] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah... Because in this case, it's usually protected by certain laws. Like the aforementioned "Romeo and Juliet" laws that many states have... Which can protect couples who are very close in age... It would be like if someone in school was dating someone a couple years younger. And then they get arrested for being an ephebophile as soon as they turn 18 because the other person is 16. That would be ridiculous...</quote> it is illegal in that state -_- "California does not have a Romeo and Juliet law. This means that it is illegal for anyone to engage in sexual intercourse with a minor even for a minor to have sex with another minor." It is not protected whatsoever. Anyone having sex with his daughter is raping her, and he is completely within his rights to be upset about that. Punching him would still get you in trouble for assault (if you argue that stopping your daughter's rape isn't serving in the defense of others), but unfortunately you can't punish him for that "overreaction" because he is dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 10/30/21 12:39:49 PM #22:	VioletMassacre posted... Sure, but Fam_Fam focused so much on the rape part it seems like he think the guy really forced himself on the girl. It was just a teen couple having sex. What in gods name? Is it illegal for two 17-year olds to have sex? o_O This is beyond backwards. I'm not "focused so much" on rape. it IS rape. The 16 year old is not legally able to consent to having sex with an adult man. The dad was upset that he witnessed this sex act, which was statutory rape, and screamed at /punched the rapist because of it. is it the right thing to do? probably not. but it shouldn't be hard to understand why he'd do it. should charges have been pressed had he not been murdered? perhaps, and there'd be a reasonable discussion/court case to be had. but the rapist murdered his victim, the person who tried to stop it, and an innocent woman who just walked in the room and who witnessed the other murders. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959534570] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted... </cite> <quote>Sure, but Fam_Fam focused so much on the rape part it seems like he think the guy really forced himself on the girl. It was just a teen couple having sex. What in gods name? Is it illegal for two 17-year olds to have sex? o_O This is beyond backwards.</quote> I'm not "focused so much" on rape. it IS rape. The 16 year old is not legally able to consent to having sex with an adult man. The dad was upset that he witnessed this sex act, which was statutory rape, and screamed at /punched the rapist because of it. is it the right thing to do? probably not. but it shouldn't be hard to understand why he'd do it. should charges have been pressed had he not been murdered? perhaps, and there'd be a reasonable discussion/court case to be had. but the rapist murdered his victim, the person who tried to stop it, and an innocent woman who just walked in the room and who witnessed the other murders. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lihlih 10/30/21 12:59:06 PM #24:	VioletMassacre posted... You still keep calling a guy having consensual sex with his girlfriend a rapist. Lol, you think a minor can give consent. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:959535104] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted...</cite> <quote>You still keep calling a guy having consensual sex with his girlfriend a rapist. </quote> Lol, you think a minor can give consent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonClaw01 10/30/21 1:44:40 PM #25:	The father was within his rights, as the father was technically breaking up a crime in commission. Furthermore, it did not seem like he used any more force than was necessary to get the kid out of his house, namely one punch and a lot of name calling. The kid just turned it up by 1,000 by shooting him in the head then killing his family. Obviously Johnson did not believe too much in his self defense case since he felt like he had to "kill the witnesses". --- <('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')> Splendiferous <cite>DragonClaw01 posted [p:959536296] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>The father was within his rights, as the father was technically breaking up a crime in commission. Furthermore, it did not seem like he used any more force than was necessary to get the kid out of his house, namely one punch and a lot of name calling. The kid just turned it up by 1,000 by shooting him in the head then killing his family. Obviously Johnson did not believe too much in his self defense case since he felt like he had to "kill the witnesses". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lihlih 10/30/21 1:59:06 PM #27:	VioletMassacre posted... Isnt it funny how a person cant give consent, drive to the next state and then suddenly can? Its amazing how the mind changes just by going past a made up line. I mean, a 16 year old shouldn't be able to consent to an adult, but the laws say that he raped her. Funny how you like to think the laws don't apply here and think that he wasn't raping her when he clearly was. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:959536616] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted...</cite> <quote> Isnt it funny how a person cant give consent, drive to the next state and then suddenly can? Its amazing how the mind changes just by going past a made up line. </quote> I mean, a 16 year old shouldn't be able to consent to an adult, but the laws say that he raped her. Funny how you like to think the laws don't apply here and think that he wasn't raping her when he clearly was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lihlih 10/30/21 2:16:06 PM #29:	VioletMassacre posted... Man, are you and Fam_Fam the same person? So you quoting yourself being wrong over and over again is going to somehow make it so that you're right? --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:959536973] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted...</cite> <quote>Man, are you and Fam_Fam the same person? </quote> So you quoting yourself being wrong over and over again is going to somehow make it so that you're right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/30/21 2:21:27 PM #30:	lihlih posted... Lol, you think a minor can give consent. Yeah... Because they do all the time. The only reason it's not legal is because it's in backward ass California. It's kind of funny how if the same thing happened in certain other states or countries, it would be totally legal... It's just that it happened in a dumb state... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959537113] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>lihlih posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, you think a minor can give consent.</quote> Yeah... Because they do all the time. The only reason it's not legal is because it's in backward ass California. It's kind of funny how if the same thing happened in certain other states or countries, it would be totally legal... It's just that it happened in a dumb state...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 10/30/21 3:18:07 PM #32:	VioletMassacre posted... Yes, because I am. I dont give a shit that its called statutory rape when its clear it isnt rape. Made even worse by actually calling him a rapist. Its impossible to have these kind of discussions when people have to act so thickheaded about the simplest and most obvious things. did the person knowingly and willingly commit a form of rape, yes or no? if yes, the person is a rapist, if no, the person is not. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959538525] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, because I am. I dont give a shit that its called statutory rape when its clear it isnt rape. Made even worse by actually calling him a rapist. Its impossible to have these kind of discussions when people have to act so thickheaded about the simplest and most obvious things.</quote> did the person knowingly and willingly commit a form of rape, yes or no? if yes, the person is a rapist, if no, the person is not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/30/21 3:22:44 PM #33:	Fam_Fam posted... did the person knowingly and willingly commit a form of rape, yes or no? if yes, the person is a rapist, if no, the person is not. Depends on if he knew. Which he might not have. Especially since it's on of the few states that has an 18 year AoC while also not having a Romeo and Juliet law... So the answer could be no... Which would mean no a rapist... Or if he moves to a better state... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959538624] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>did the person knowingly and willingly commit a form of rape, yes or no? if yes, the person is a rapist, if no, the person is not.</quote> Depends on if he knew. Which he might not have. Especially since it's on of the few states that has an 18 year AoC while also not having a Romeo and Juliet law... So the answer could be no... Which would mean no a rapist... Or if he moves to a better state...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/30/21 3:24:54 PM #34:	LinkPizza posted... Depends on if he knew. Which he might not have. Especially since it's on of the few states that has an 18 year AoC while also not having a Romeo and Juliet law... So the answer could be no... Which would mean no a rapist... Or if he moves to a better state... perhaps he didn't know, but i don't exactly give the benefit of doubt to someone who immediately murdered 3 people after being caught committing the rape. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959538680] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Depends on if he knew. Which he might not have. Especially since it's on of the few states that has an 18 year AoC while also not having a Romeo and Juliet law... So the answer could be no... Which would mean no a rapist... Or if he moves to a better state...</quote> perhaps he didn't know, but i don't exactly give the benefit of doubt to someone who immediately murdered 3 people after being caught committing the rape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/30/21 3:26:03 PM #35:	Fam_Fam posted... perhaps he didn't know, but i don't exactly give the benefit of doubt to someone who immediately murdered 3 people after being caught committing the rape. I might... If only because he doesn't seem that smart. So maybe he didn't know... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959538710] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>perhaps he didn't know, but i don't exactly give the benefit of doubt to someone who immediately murdered 3 people after being caught committing the rape.</quote> I might... If only because he doesn't seem that smart. So maybe he didn't know...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/30/21 3:26:57 PM #36:	LinkPizza posted... I might... If only because he doesn't seem that smart. So maybe he didn't know... dumb enough to rape a child in her parents' house, yes. but the guy who punched him is out of line! <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:959538736] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I might... If only because he doesn't seem that smart. So maybe he didn't know...</quote> dumb enough to rape a child in her parents' house, yes. but the guy who punched him is out of line! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/30/21 3:29:49 PM #37:	Fam_Fam posted... dumb enough to rape a child in her parents' house, yes. but the guy who punched him is out of line! Except I don't call it rape, because I don't even see it like that... The dumb comment was from him killing the witnesses to a self-defense claim... I don't know enough about his past, so I can't say. But he couldn't have been from a better state that allowed people who were a few years apart to have sex... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959538808] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>dumb enough to rape a child in her parents' house, yes. but the guy who punched him is out of line!</quote> Except I don't call it rape, because I don't even see it like that... The dumb comment was from him killing the witnesses to a self-defense claim... I don't know enough about his past, so I can't say. But he couldn't have been from a better state that allowed people who were a few years apart to have sex...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 10/30/21 3:31:49 PM #38:	Well, under California law, apparently it is legally considered grape. I think the absence of any Romeo & Juliet law is fucking stupid, but that's how it is. DragonClaw01 posted... The father was within his rights, as the father was technically breaking up a crime in commission. Furthermore, it did not seem like he used any more force than was necessary to get the kid out of his house, namely one punch and a lot of name calling. The kid just turned it up by 1,000 by shooting him in the head then killing his family. Obviously Johnson did not believe too much in his self defense case since he felt like he had to "kill the witnesses". Thank you for some sanity. It's pretty disgusting how the stepdad has been blamed and insulted in this topic when he's the victim of murder. The murderer even went on a "murder all the witnesses" spree afterward just in case you weren't already clear about who was in the wrong, and people are STILL trying to devil's advocate this! [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Lack of Romeo & Juliet laws create all kinds of stupidity. I remember a case in Georgia years ago where an 18 year old went to prison for having sex w/ his 17 year old girlfriend. It's also an actual occurance where minors sext each other and are considered guilty of producing and sending CP (of themselves). The law in CA is dumb, but it is the current law so the step dad's reaction is completely justified. Don't blame him, blame the state of California for being a backwards shit hole. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:959538862] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Well, under California law, apparently it is legally considered grape. I think the absence of any Romeo & Juliet law is fucking stupid, but that's how it is. DragonClaw01 posted... </cite> <quote>The father was within his rights, as the father was technically breaking up a crime in commission. Furthermore, it did not seem like he used any more force than was necessary to get the kid out of his house, namely one punch and a lot of name calling. The kid just turned it up by 1,000 by shooting him in the head then killing his family. Obviously Johnson did not believe too much in his self defense case since he felt like he had to "kill the witnesses".</quote>Thank you for some sanity. It's pretty disgusting how the stepdad has been blamed and insulted in this topic when he's the victim of murder. The murderer even went on a "murder all the witnesses" spree afterward just in case you weren't already clear about who was in the wrong, and people are STILL trying to devil's advocate this! <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Lack of Romeo & Juliet laws create all kinds of stupidity. I remember a case in Georgia years ago where an 18 year old went to prison for having sex w/ his 17 year old girlfriend. It's also an actual occurance where minors sext each other and are considered guilty of producing and sending CP (of themselves). The law in CA is dumb, but it is the current law so the step dad's reaction is completely justified. Don't blame him, blame the state of California for being a backwards shit hole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/30/21 3:37:41 PM #39:	Fam_Fam posted... getting upset over an adult man having sex with (i.e., raping) your underage daughter and then yelling at and punching them is an overreaction? Overlooking that this "adult man" was 3 years older than the daughter (and "adult man is a silly, clumsy phrase designed to obfuscate that fact), the story establishes that the two were already in a relationship (right in the title, in fact). While I can understand a father getting ticked about finding his daughter's boyfriend with his daughter like that, they both knew about the relationship and let him stay over in the house, so they certainly seemed okay with the relationship status. And in most states this would be covered by Romeo and Juliet laws, and in most developed nations it would be fine regardless under normal AOC laws. LinkPizza posted... Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one... tbh, the problem is a lot of PotDers don't seem to have normal relationships and are absurdly sheltered so they miss obvious facts like that. LinkPizza posted... So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction... ...well, I mean, he still found the guy screwing his daughter. The anger is unrelated to ages involved, although the extent of the attack was probably too much considering he very well might have killed the kid. wwinterj25 posted... Eh. Underage sex is still breaking the law and this is still rape technically in Northern California so yeah the dad being pissed is justified. The guy being pissed has less to do with ages, and more to do with finding his daughter (or stepdaughter, in this case) having sex with a guy. If the boyfriend had been 16, do you think he'd have closed the door and been okay with it? -_- lihlih posted... Not in the state where it took place. Shouldn't you be off making more topics complaining about toys? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:959539007] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted... </cite> <quote>getting upset over an adult man having sex with (i.e., raping) your underage daughter and then yelling at and punching them is an overreaction?</quote> Overlooking that this "adult man" was 3 years older than the daughter (and "adult man is a silly, clumsy phrase designed to obfuscate that fact), the story establishes that the two were already in a relationship (right in the title, in fact). While I can understand a father getting ticked about finding his daughter's boyfriend with his daughter like that, they both knew about the relationship and let him stay over in the house, so they certainly seemed okay with the relationship status. And in most states this would be covered by Romeo and Juliet laws, and in most developed nations it would be fine regardless under normal AOC laws. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. It'd be different if the guy was older. But in this case, the two having sex were close in age. Close enough that they could have gone to school together. relationships like this aren't uncommon where someone else hits 18 years old like 2 or 3 years before the other one...</quote> tbh, the problem is a lot of PotDers don't seem to have normal relationships and are absurdly sheltered so they miss obvious facts like that. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>So, in this case, the dad punching him in an overreaction...</quote> ...well, I mean, he still found the guy screwing his daughter. The anger is unrelated to ages involved, although the extent of the attack was probably too much considering he very well might have killed the kid. wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Eh. Underage sex is still breaking the law and this is still rape technically in Northern California so yeah the dad being pissed is justified.</quote> The guy being pissed has less to do with ages, and more to do with finding his daughter (or stepdaughter, in this case) having sex with a guy. If the boyfriend had been 16, do you think he'd have closed the door and been okay with it? -_- lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>Not in the state where it took place.</quote> Shouldn't you be off making more topics complaining about toys? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 10/31/21 8:42:08 AM #40:	Nichtcrawler X posted... And there are exceptions when it comes to the age part, e.g. when the age difference is small enough. Rape is still rape. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yes because she's underage and he's a adult. That is statutory rape in this state. LinkPizza posted... Yeah... Because they do all the time. I mean it's still breaking the law and still rape. Just because a minor can give consent that doesn't make it acceptable. Even more so when a adult is involved. Zeus posted... The guy being pissed has less to do with ages, and more to do with finding his daughter (or stepdaughter, in this case) having sex with a guy. If the boyfriend had been 16, do you think he'd have closed the door and been okay with it? -_- As they both would have been underage and fucking I doubt he would have been. However yeah his daughter being underage and having sex probably pissed him off the most and that is also justified. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:959557267] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler X posted... </cite> <quote>And there are exceptions when it comes to the age part, e.g. when the age difference is small enough.</quote> Rape is still rape. <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Yes because she's underage and he's a adult. That is statutory rape in this state. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah... Because they do all the time.</quote> I mean it's still breaking the law and still rape. Just because a minor can give consent that doesn't make it acceptable. Even more so when a adult is involved. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>The guy being pissed has less to do with ages, and more to do with finding his daughter (or stepdaughter, in this case) having sex with a guy. If the boyfriend had been 16, do you think he'd have closed the door and been okay with it? -_-</quote> As they both would have been underage and fucking I doubt he would have been. However yeah his daughter being underage and having sex probably pissed him off the most and that is also justified. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/31/21 1:16:17 PM #41:	wwinterj25 posted... I mean it's still breaking the law and still rape. Just because a minor can give consent that doesn't make it acceptable. Even more so when a adult is involved. Only is certain states, though. The thing is in certain countries, and even many states, this wouldnt be an issue or illegal. Hence why I said they do all the time. This minor is the article would have been fine in many of the other states, for example And the adult was only 19. Which is most states is 100% ok. Its just that they were in backwards ass California --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959562320] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's still breaking the law and still rape. Just because a minor can give consent that doesn't make it acceptable. Even more so when a adult is involved.</quote> Only is certain states, though. The thing is in certain countries, and even many states, this wouldnt be an issue or illegal. Hence why I said they do all the time. This minor is the article would have been fine in many of the other states, for example And the adult was only 19. Which is most states is 100% ok. Its just that they were in backwards ass California</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sega9599 10/31/21 2:46:02 PM #42:	Zeus posted... ...did he not have a lawyer? Because that feels like the kind of punitive sentence you get from losing a case. And that sentence is absolutely f*ing insane. How long should he have gotten in your eyes? 10-15 with time off for good behaviour? --- Needed: New Pokemon Puzzle League, Shining Force and Left 4 Dead.... <cite>Sega9599 posted [p:959564801] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...did he not have a lawyer? Because that feels like the kind of punitive sentence you get from losing a case. And that sentence is absolutely f*ing insane.</quote> How long should he have gotten in your eyes? 10-15 with time off for good behaviour? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/31/21 3:29:36 PM #43:	Sega9599 posted... How long should he have gotten in your eyes? 10-15 with time off for good behaviour? It's telling of the American brutality system (because one can hardly call America's sentencing "justice", given how much longer we sentence people than other developed nations) that a remark intended to be facetious comes closer to mirroring that of normal developed nations, although I guess normal sentencing seems crazy for a nation whose sentencing practices have more in common with North Korea much of the time than most democratic, developed nations. Again, the kid is 19 when we know that the rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed until they're close to 25, yet you want him to be eligible for parole when he's 60 or 70. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:959566035] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Sega9599 posted... </cite> <quote>How long should he have gotten in your eyes? 10-15 with time off for good behaviour?</quote> It's telling of the American brutality system (because one can hardly call America's sentencing "justice", given how much longer we sentence people than other developed nations) that a remark intended to be facetious comes closer to mirroring that of normal developed nations, although I guess normal sentencing seems crazy for a nation whose sentencing practices have more in common with North Korea much of the time than most democratic, developed nations. Again, the kid is 19 when we know that the rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed until they're close to 25, yet you want him to be eligible for parole when he's 60 or 70. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 10/31/21 3:51:19 PM #45:	Zeus posted... It's telling of the American brutality system (because one can hardly call America's sentencing "justice", given how much longer we sentence people than other developed nations) that a remark intended to be facetious comes closer to mirroring that of normal developed nations, although I guess normal sentencing seems crazy for a nation whose sentencing practices have more in common with North Korea much of the time than most democratic, developed nations. Again, the kid is 19 when we know that the rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed until they're close to 25, yet you want him to be eligible for parole when he's 60 or 70. He murdered three fucking people. He should never be free again. EDIT: Also, it's California. They seem to like letting mass murderers go free from even so-called "life sentences", so he might not serve even half that sentence anyway. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:959566681] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>It's telling of the American brutality system (because one can hardly call America's sentencing "justice", given how much longer we sentence people than other developed nations) that a remark intended to be facetious comes closer to mirroring that of normal developed nations, although I guess normal sentencing seems crazy for a nation whose sentencing practices have more in common with North Korea much of the time than most democratic, developed nations. Again, the kid is 19 when we know that the rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed until they're close to 25, yet you want him to be eligible for parole when he's 60 or 70.</quote>He murdered three fucking people. He should never be free again. EDIT: Also, it's California. They seem to like letting mass murderers go free from even so-called "life sentences", so he might not serve even half that sentence anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 10/31/21 4:10:42 PM #46:	LinkPizza posted... Except I don't call it rape, because I don't even see it like that... The dumb comment was from him killing the witnesses to a self-defense claim... I don't know enough about his past, so I can't say. But he couldn't have been from a better state that allowed people who were a few years apart to have sex... @LinkPizza Give it up, dude. You are wrong fucking deal with it. <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:959567354] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Except I don't call it rape, because I don't even see it like that... The dumb comment was from him killing the witnesses to a self-defense claim... I don't know enough about his past, so I can't say. But he couldn't have been from a better state that allowed people who were a few years apart to have sex...</quote>@LinkPizza Give it up, dude. You are wrong fucking deal with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/31/21 4:15:16 PM #47:	streamofthesky posted... He murdered three fucking people. He should never be free again. Again, America should have a justice system, not a retribution system. The odds of reforming a 19 y/o to be a functioning, productive member of society are pretty fucking high. streamofthesky posted... EDIT: Also, it's California. They seem to like letting mass murderers go free from even so-called "life sentences", so he might not serve even half that sentence anyway. You mean the same California that refused early releases because they wanted to maintain the prison labor population? The same state whose AG suppressed evidence that clearly exonerated innocent men and women? And who gave that ludicrous sentence in the first place? Yeah, I don't put a lot of faith in California to do the right thing. Or even the decent thing. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:959567484] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>He murdered three fucking people. He should never be free again.</quote> Again, America should have a justice system, not a retribution system. The odds of reforming a 19 y/o to be a functioning, productive member of society are pretty fucking high. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>EDIT: Also, it's California. They seem to like letting mass murderers go free from even so-called "life sentences", so he might not serve even half that sentence anyway.</quote> You mean the same California that refused early releases because they wanted to maintain the prison labor population? The same state whose AG suppressed evidence that clearly exonerated innocent men and women? And who gave that ludicrous sentence in the first place? Yeah, I don't put a lot of faith in California to do the right thing. Or even the decent thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 10/31/21 4:42:05 PM #49:	Arcturusisnow posted... LinkPizza Give it up, dude. You are wrong fucking deal with it. I disagree, and I'm not wrong, so you deal with it... Especially since it's only "illegal" because of the state... Which is a stupid fucking backwards state... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:959568347] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>Arcturusisnow posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza Give it up, dude. You are wrong fucking deal with it.</quote> I disagree, and I'm not wrong, so you deal with it... Especially since it's only "illegal" because of the state... Which is a stupid fucking backwards state...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 10/31/21 4:44:58 PM #50:	VioletMassacre posted... Especially since this was a heat-of-the-moment murder, not something he planned. The risk of it ever happening again is pretty low. He killed the dad in the heat of the moment. He went back to kill the witnesses afterwards. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:959568433] in 19 y/o KIL... [t:79735090]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted...</cite> <quote> Especially since this was a heat-of-the-moment murder, not something he planned. The risk of it ever happening again is pretty low. </quote> He killed the dad in the heat of the moment. He went back to kill the witnesses afterwards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poll of the Day > 19 y/o KILLS his 16 y/o GF and her PARENTS cause they caught them having SEX!!!