Current Events > Father killed his daughter's boyfriend for selling her into sex trafficking ring

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

When they harm someone innocent

So as long as they don't harm anyone innocent, anything they do is fair game?

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

you arent on ignore slayer but 354 must have blocked me for some reason

Ah. You got that dumb feature that removes posts that quoted people that blocked you. You can remove it under settings, I can't remember the exact name, but it was the one that is basically about removing posts containing posts you blocked.

Really a dumb feature, as it removes posts of people that block YOU too.
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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Nope. Not morally. The sex trafficker forfeited his right to life when he sexually trafficked the fathers daughter. Morally.

You are wrong. Premeditated vigilante revenge killing is not a moral act.

Let us be real. We do not have a justice system. We have law and order instead.

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Number090684 posted...

Murder is in the same league.

Dying is better than perpetual torment, unless it's a slow and painful death.

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dirtydog posted...

What I see in this thread is people trying to say non-consensual sex is just as bad or worse than literally torturing and beating someone to death, which is ridiculous and the law agrees.

You exist. Wow.

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I can't see this entire page. Boy dirtydog really went all in didn't he.

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What evidence did he have that this guy sold his daughter into sex trafficking? If that really happened I dont think he would have recovered his daughter. Dude isnt Liam Neeson.

Lock his ass up.

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VioletMassacre posted...

Thank you for pointing this out, I dont think I knew this.

Its BLAKUboy, he has me blocked too. @Kloe_Rinz

@BLAKUboy why you gotta block em?

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WarfireX posted...

violence like this is never acceptable. 2 wrongs dont make a write.

CyricZ posted...

I'm not going to cry for him, but no one deserves the right to do what the father did.

eston posted...

People should go to prison for sex trafficking, and people should also go to prison for kidnapping and murdering someone. Both of these things can be true without defending either of them.

I understand the heavy emotional impact of this. The father still planned and carried out a murder which was not the correct thing to do. The way he went about it is honestly pretty sick.

Kastrada posted...

I can't believe how many people are actually supporting this. This man committed a crime and needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Which should be a $100 fine and a three-month long probation from murdering sex-traffickers.

And if he does it again, a $200 fine a a six-month long probation from murdering sex-traffickers!

@WarfireX @CyricZ @eston @Kastrada @Tenlaar Can I ask you all a serious question? If someone ever harmed someone you loved very much (like a family member), what would you do? Honestly, what would you do?

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My post was not to be taken seriously.

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Kastrada posted...

My post was not to be taken seriously.

My bad.

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"It's about not being able to do whatever you want as long as you've determined the person deserves it. This is basic shit. Someone else might do this to someone you don't think deserves it, but you don't get to draw that line for other people when you've determined that there is a line, and crossing that line warrants whatever you want."

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VioletMassacre posted...

You didn't ask me but I will answer anyway. I don't think I would be capable of actually killing someone no matter what, and if I did the anxiety would most likely be the end of me. I'd like to think I would understand that I would be punished for it even if the murdered person was generally considered evil.

@VioletMassacre But you would still protect your loved ones, right? And you would still try to get justice somehow, right? Like if someone threatened them, you wouldn't just let them do it right?

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Well @The_Sock I'll give you credit for having the balls to accuse me of what some others in this topic want to say but are too cowardly to: that given the circumstances, I too would also become a kidnapper and murderer.

I mean, there's a reason other people don't accuse me of that: mostly because they realized that they don't know me well enough to insinuate that, but also because it makes them look like a sicko egging others on to admitting to want to commit murderous violence.

But I suppose if I don't directly answer your question you'll become one of those "answer the question tho!" people regardless of how bad faith the question you're asking is.

So the answer is an honest "I don't know exactly" because I've never been put in such a situation before: where someone I loved was terribly wronged.

All I can say is that when I was young I had an anger problem that made me lash out to people, which got me in a lot of trouble. The thing is as soon as I realized I'd hurt someone, I folded. Hard.

Crying. Anxiety. Despair. These were all symptoms of things I felt once I'd known that I'd truly hurt someone. And that's not just physical hurt either. Emotional hurt as well. Hell I said something that I knew would hurt someone pretty bad a couple of months ago. This was online so I couldn't even see their reaction, but that same well of anxiety grew deep in my stomach, despite not knowing how much I'd hurt them, because my intent was there.

I believe this is because I know that deep in my heart of hearts that trying to hurt people was wrong, no matter what. That's how I can say with confidence that what the father did was wrong.

That doesn't mean I don't get dark thoughts. Everyone does. Wishing you could hit something/someone, revenge ideation, etc. The problem comes once those thoughts become actions.

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CyricZ posted...

Well @The_Sock I'll give you credit for having the balls to accuse me of what some others in this topic want to say but are too cowardly to: that given the circumstances, I too would also become a kidnapper and murderer.

I mean, there's a reason other people don't accuse me of that: mostly because they realized that they don't know me well enough to insinuate that, but also because it makes them look like a sicko egging others on to admitting to want to commit murderous violence.

But I suppose if I don't directly answer your question you'll become one of those "answer the question tho!" people regardless of how bad faith the question you're asking is.

So the answer is an honest "I don't know exactly" because I've never been put in such a situation before: where someone I loved was terribly wronged.

All I can say is that when I was young I had an anger problem that made me lash out to people, which got me in a lot of trouble. The thing is as soon as I realized I'd hurt someone, I folded. Hard.

Crying. Anxiety. Despair. These were all symptoms of things I felt once I'd known that I'd truly hurt someone. And that's not just physical hurt either. Emotional hurt as well. Hell I said something that I knew would hurt someone pretty bad a couple of months ago. This was online so I couldn't even see their reaction, but that same well of anxiety grew deep in my stomach, despite not knowing how much I'd hurt them, because my intent was there.

I believe this is because I know that deep in my heart of hearts that trying to hurt people was wrong, no matter what. That's how I can say with confidence that what the father did was wrong.

That doesn't mean I don't get dark thoughts. Everyone does. Wishing you could hit something/someone, revenge ideation, etc. The problem comes once those thoughts become actions.

@CyricZ But if someone threatened your life or the life of someone you loved you would do everything you could to protect them right? That's all I'm asking. Because I have a feeling @Tenlaar wouldn't do anything to defend their own life or the life of someone they loved with what they've been saying.

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Well I'm not going to speak for Tenlaar and what he would do, but in a general sense implying that someone wouldn't protect their loved ones from imminent threat is pretty fucking cheap and sick.

And dare I say it, designed to hurt them.

So I guess we know how you feel about hurting other people.

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CyricZ posted...

Well I'm not going to speak for Tenlaar and what he would do, but in a general sense implying that someone wouldn't protect their loved ones from imminent threat is pretty fucking cheap and sick.

And dare I say it, designed to hurt them.

So I guess we know how you feel about hurting other people.

Dude, I have nothing against you. I wish you well.

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CyricZ posted...

Well I'm not going to speak for Tenlaar and what he would do, but in a general sense implying that someone wouldn't protect their loved ones from imminent threat is pretty fucking cheap and sick.

And dare I say it, designed to hurt them.

So I guess we know how you feel about hurting other people.

Didn't you bring up someone's dead loved one and refuse to apologize because you explicitly blamed them for egging you on, despite you bringing the subject up first? Like, as in victim blaming instead of apologizing?

So I guess we know how you feel about hurting other people.
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I can say with some confidence that I would not hunt someone down after the fact, torture them, and then leave them to die in the trunk of a car. That's psychopath behavior and isn't the same as defending yourself or your loved one

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Sock, your first question was "if someone harmed someone you loved what would you do".

Which let's be honest is vague as hell and quite frankly I'm starting to get embarrassed for falling for the bait.

Given the topic we're posting in, I extrapolated the context to be "what if you were in this scenario as described in the topic".

But out of context, it could mean "someone said something mean to your sister" or "someone is bullying your little brother" or "someone murdered and tortured your entire family". You see how vague it is?

And now you're saying "Oh I mean in the sense of imminent threat".

So shame on me for falling for your bait, but trying to pretend you're only being nice and asking nice questions is a sham. You're either bad at trying to get your point across (more likely), or you're deliberately trying to manipulate people (less likely, but people here have done worse).

If you're going to challenge people on their deeply held ideals, you really should take the time to be as direct and specific as possible.

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CyricZ posted...

So shame on me for falling for your bait, but trying to pretend you're only being nice and asking nice questions is a sham. You're either bad at trying to get your point across (more likely), or you're deliberately trying to manipulate people (less likely, but people here have done worse).

I am definitely not trying to manipulate people, I promise.

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Can't believe Hero Cyric would do this.

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CyricZ posted...

3. "You used to be so pretty honey. Where did you get all these bruises?" said the husband to the wife.

Cant believe no one called out this asinine comparison

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it's understandable and natural to resort to violence when your loved ones are hurt or in danger. this is an instinct ingrained in us. of course we have a legal system that's meant to deal with these matters... but that's a different subject from whether or not it's understandable that a father would want to kill this guy

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When the response to admitting my own failings and discussing my personal feelings becomes an excuse for verbal abuse.

And people wonder why I'm no longer my happy-go-lucky self of the early 2000s.

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Imagine being this obnoxious over a multitude of topics and then crying victim

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Zodd3224 posted...

Dude, I don't really agree with Cyric's Batman philosophy on life but this is just straight up abuse.

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Zodd3224 posted...

Imagine being this obnoxious over a multitude of topics and then crying victim

"Why did you make me do this to you?"

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CyricZ posted...

"Why did you make me do this to you?"

Pathetic

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No seriously dude. Tell me how you really feel about me. Let it out.

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All your smugness and condescension has vanished. You get to be annoying and contrarian to everyone across the board at your leisure, then become the battered wife when called out.

I don't need to say again what you are.

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at MOST do psychological evaluation to ensure he's not an actual threat to anyone (doubtful, but do it anyway to satisfy certain people) and if he passes then he is free to go.

Not gonna read the topic but basically my thoughts are

Sex trafficking is basically just slavery, but with a guarantee of the victim being raped repeatedly

Therefore, anyone who would sell others into that is committing a crime against humanity

Ergo, the father executing the boyfriend is not especially concerning to me because the boyfriend had already tried to condemn another person suffer unspeakable horrors and all for his personal benefit

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Demon1050 posted...

at MOST do psychological evaluation to ensure he's not an actual threat to anyone (doubtful, but do it anyway to satisfy certain people) and if he passes then he is free to go.

Basically this. He's not gone after anyone else for the year+, and it's unlikely he'd feel the same desire for revenge on anyone so the odds of him killing again are close to zero.

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I honestly believe that the people here who are more concerned about what the father did than what the boyfriend did to that fathers daughter are a bit sexist. they dont really seem horrified of sex trafficking (this is where women are forced to be sex slaves, getting raped over and over). think about how horrifying that is. The crimes sex traffickers have committed are unspeakable and unforgivable. Theres no redeeming them. Theyre no longer human beings. Theyre animals.

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I shouldn't have to say "condemning the father isn't exonerating the boyfriend", but

Condemning the father isn't exonerating the boyfriend.

If you need me to take a hard stance against human trafficking, I can show my receipts on regular donations to the Polaris Project, which I've been doing for years.

MeowMeowKitty30 posted...

Theyre animals.

I know you hate the boyfriend, and that's fine, but these two words have been used to justify a lot of tragedy, so be very careful about how you use them.

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The Sock posted...

Can I ask you all a serious question? If someone ever harmed someone you loved very much (like a family member), what would you do? Honestly, what would you do?

The Sock posted...

But if someone threatened your life or the life of someone you loved you would do everything you could to protect them right? That's all I'm asking. Because I have a feeling @Tenlaar wouldn't do anything to defend their own life or the life of someone they loved with what they've been saying.

This topic is not about self defense from an imminent threat, its about premeditated vigilante murder. Its pretty fucking stupid for you to act like those are the same thing and try to make it out like I wouldnt defend myself or somebody else from immediate danger.

MeowMeowKitty30 posted...

I honestly believe that the people here who are more concerned about what the father did than what the boyfriend did to that fathers daughter are a bit sexist

There is not a binary choice here of either you support premeditated vigilante murder or you support sex trafficking. There is no discussion to be had at all around what the boyfriend did being terribly wrong, just whether it somehow excuses the father also doing something terribly wrong in completely different ways.

Tenlaar posted...

There is not a binary choice here of either you support premeditated vigilante murder or you support sex trafficking. There is no discussion to be had at all around what the boyfriend did being terribly wrong, just whether it somehow excuses the father also doing something terribly wrong in completely different ways.

watch a documentary about sex trafficking. I guarantee that after you do, youll wish every single person involved in sex tracking would die horrible deaths. they do not deserve to live

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MeowMeowKitty30 posted...

watch a documentary about sex trafficking. I guarantee that after you do, youll wish every single person involved in sex tracking would die horrible deaths. they do not deserve to live

Not joining you in support of extrajudicial execution does not mean that I dont know how bad sex trafficking is.

BloodMoon7 posted...

Can't believe Hero Cyric would do this.

What did he do this time?

Tenlaar posted...

Not joining you in support of extrajudicial execution does not mean that I dont know how bad sex trafficking is.

With the way you're acting towards everyone in this topic, I don't think you know how bad sex trafficking is. And I'm not saying the dad is fully innocent, either.

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MeowMeowKitty30 posted...

I honestly believe that the people here who are more concerned about what the father did than what the boyfriend did

You could have just stopped here because not one single person in the topic is doing this

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Tenlaar posted...

This topic is not about self defense from an imminent threat, its about premeditated vigilante murder. Its pretty fucking stupid for you to act like those are the same thing and try to make it out like I wouldnt defend myself or somebody else from immediate danger.

Lmao gtfo here with that shit. everyone here knows you wouldnt do shit if someone threatened you or your family from harm. you are a weak little coward. In fact, you would probably sympathize with the person doing it because you feel sorry for them about how society has driven them to commit those actions or some shit.

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Ya ever stopped to consider maybe he'd call the police rather than trying to go Taken as first instinct?