Current Events > HOLD UP! In Ocarina of Time, are the six sages #spoilers

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DoomSwell posted...

Are they not in the celebration during the credits?

They are, but in the form of glowing spheres. They take their physical forms when they fly into the mountains, though. So, yes and yes.

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DoomSwell posted...

Are they not in the celebration during the credits?

so are the kokiri, who say they'll die if they leave the forest, so clearly they're full of shit.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

only implied. Seems to me they needed a replacement because they were doing it for so long.

Also, just because they are dead now, doesn't mean they always need to be dead. Nor does it mean ghosts can't be killed.

No, it's not implied.

Fado: Are you the new hero? I am Fado of the Kokiri Tribe. I know I appear to you as a child, but the eyes can oft deceive. I am a most esteemed sage. I had been praying here so that the power to repel evil would continue to be contained within the blade of the Master Sword... But I was attacked by the
evil Ganondorf... and this is what happened to me. You wish to return the power to your blade, don't you?

And the idea that these sages were ghosts that Ganondorf killed so Link later encounters the ghosts of their ghosts is extremely dumb.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

so are the kokiri, who say they'll die if they leave the forest, so clearly they're full of shit.

That could mean a few things. That theyll literally die, that the forest will stop protecting them (dont think its ever stated theyre immortal) or they will begin to age if they leave.

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HesOurYou posted...

That could mean a few things. That theyll literally die, that the forest will stop protecting them (dont think its ever stated theyre immortal) or they will begin to age if they leave.

They themselves said they'd die if they ever left.

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pegusus123456 posted...

No, it's not implied.

And the idea that these sages were ghosts that Ganondorf killed so Link later encounters the ghosts of their ghosts is extremely dumb.

How is it dumb?

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dave_is_slick posted...

They themselves said they'd die if they ever left.

TBF the Deku tree could of been BSing them on that one.

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spikethedevil posted...

How is it dumb?

Are you legitimately asking why it's dumb that Ganondorf killed ghosts and that Link later talked to the ghosts of those ghosts?

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pegusus123456 posted...

Are you legitimately asking why it's dumb that Ganondorf killed ghosts and that Link later talked to the ghosts of those ghosts?

Thats not all that was implied. Also its set in an entirely fictional fantasy world.

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pegusus123456 posted...

Are you legitimately asking why it's dumb that Ganondorf killed ghosts and that Link later talked to the ghosts of those ghosts?

You're messing up the terminology.

A killed ghost gains a "ghost level," an additional point of removal from the living.

You automatically recognize this by how many times you stutter when you see them and yell "Ghost!" G-ghost for level one, g-g-ghost for two, etc.

You'll notice that Shaggy, for example, rarely encounters a spirit lower than level 3 or 4, but he is a very experienced practitioner.

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spikethedevil posted...

Thats not all that was implied.

That's what Kimbos was saying though.

spikethedevil posted...

Also its set in an entirely fictional fantasy world.

Yes. That doesn't change the fact that it would be dumb as fuck.

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In Twilight Princess, Ganon straight up "kills" one of the ghost sages during the botched execution.

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YellowSUV posted...

In Twilight Princess, Ganon straight up "kills" one of the ghost sages during the botched execution.

Yep the water sage.

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Saria is definitely dead, so I assumed that the other sages were as well

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YellowSUV posted...

In Twilight Princess, Ganon straight up "kills" one of the ghost sages during the botched execution.

Even if we assume they are ghosts, I don't really have issues with Ganondorf killing a ghost. The issue is a ghost of a ghost.

You have to stretch the facts and assume so much to believe that OoT's sages are dead. Darunia, Impa, etc don't show up in their dungeons and temples because the game was made on the N64 and Nintendo didn't want to have an NPC with you. The twin Gerudo explicitly plan to keep Nabooru alive. They show up alive in the ending.

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Most likely what happened is they died. Then they became spirits. Somewhere between the living world and the dead, which awakened their powers, and made it so they can't leave the temples for long. Would explain why they live for so long too.

Thats why they can still "die" and become ghosts.

And i don't know why people find ghosts dying so difficult to believe, you kill ghosts in almost every game..

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Feline_Heart posted...

Saria is definitely dead

???

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Since weve got an OoT thread going, what do you all think the Forest Temple was used for? The place is so damn bizarre that it seems like a combination of all types of potential shit. A mansion, a training ground, an art gallery, a conservatory? Like wtf

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DrizztLink posted...

You're messing up the terminology.

A killed ghost gains a "ghost level," an additional point of removal from the living.

You automatically recognize this by how many times you stutter when you see them and yell "Ghost!" G-ghost for level one, g-g-ghost for two, etc.

You'll notice that Shaggy, for example, rarely encounters a spirit lower than level 3 or 4, but he is a very experienced practitioner.

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Feline_Heart posted...

Saria is definitely dead, so I assumed that the other sages were as well

Same with Darunia

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Gwynevere posted...

Same with Darunia

we don't know that

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nfearurspecimn posted...

we don't know that

What, did he leave between the time he went in to Volvagia's boss room and the time that Link gets the boss key and enters? Cause he ain't there anymore when you get there

There's some things in stories that just have to be inferred instead of being explicitly stated

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Gwynevere posted...

What, did he leave between the time he went in to Volvagia's boss room and the time that Link gets the boss key and enters? Cause he ain't there anymore when you get there

pegusus123456 posted...

Darunia, Impa, etc don't show up in their dungeons and temples because the game was made on the N64 and Nintendo didn't want to have an NPC with you

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Ruto is the same. her disimbodied voice tells you the water boss isn't really water, so where the hell is she?

Huh, I always thought it was Navi delivering this line.

Philip027 posted...

Huh, I always thought it was Navi delivering this line.

It's apparently more obvious in Japanese because Ruto has unique mannerisms.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3SwWldcHs&list=PL8C02900C80EA6F9A&index=6

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's apparently more obvious in Japanese because Ruto has unique mannerisms.

huh, never knew.

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It really makes no sense all the sages would be present simultaneously while being half spirit/half living so yeah, they're all probably dead and reincarnated as spirits of their respective temples.

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Never even played this game and even though these characters are fictional, it makes for a depressing read. RIP sages, maybe.

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I kinda figure these characters all risk their lives all valiantly n stuff and "awaken" as sages. Upon becoming a sage, in becomes klear they don't need to fight monsters/bosses/etc. The chosen hero kan handle it. They have important roles that only they kan fulfil, and thus they teleport to that temple in the Sacred Realm where Rauru awaits.

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dave_is_slick posted...

They can't be dead, they wouldn't be able to DO anything if they were. They themselves don't act like they are either

Bruh we see ghostly and undead shit all the time in these games.

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The_Korey posted...

I kinda figure these characters all risk their lives all valiantly n stuff and "awaken" as sages. Upon becoming a sage, in becomes klear they don't need to fight monsters/bosses/etc. The chosen hero kan handle it. They have important roles that only they kan fulfil, and thus they teleport to that temple in the Sacred Realm where Rauru awaits.

this doesn't make sense. you have to defeat the boss for them to awaken as a sage.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Never even played this game

Do you have a Nintendo Switch or a Nintendo 3DS? You should definitely play this game. It's one of the best of all time. @BloodMoon7

Ving_Rhames posted...

Since weve got an OoT thread going, what do you all think the Forest Temple was used for? The place is so damn bizarre that it seems like a combination of all types of potential shit. A mansion, a training ground, an art gallery, a conservatory? Like wtf

Great question! I'll have to get back to you on this one, as it's been a while since I last completed the game. I recently began playing again on the Nintendo Switch but I'm only up to the third temple as child Link. I also remember there being one section with an underground area that leads to a well. Wonder what that was used for. @Ving_Rhames

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If its true there's 3 timelines instead of 2, does that mean the sages survived in at least 2 timeliness instead of just 1?

Kimbos_Egg posted...

only implied. Seems to me they needed a replacement because they were doing it for so long.

Also, just because they are dead now, doesn't mean they always need to be dead. Nor does it mean ghosts can't be killed.

Needing a replacement for that reason makes no sense.

They were devoted to their duties and the MS needed to be blessed to gain it's full power.

Two sages devoted to there duties just choosing to say "fuck it" doesn't make sense. Even as ghost they were devoted to helping WW Link find a replacement and noted they couldn't do it because Ganondorf killed them.

sparky2658 posted...

Needing a replacement for that reason makes no sense.

They were devoted to their duties and the MS needed to be blessed to gain it's full power.

Two sages devoted to there duties just choosing to say "fuck it" doesn't make sense. Even as ghost they were devoted to helping WW Link find a replacement and noted they couldn't do it because Ganondorf killed them.

the rules have never been consistent. Why were there 7 sages in every other game, but only 2 in wind waker?

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It's vague on purpose. The Sages in ALBW have many parallels, but are clearly alive. The Champions in BotW share many parallels with the sages too, and are clearly dead

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

the rules have never been consistent. Why were there 7 sages in every other game, but only 2 in wind waker?

Wind Waker directly references the sages from OoT in the stain glass windows of sunken Hyrule Castle.

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YellowSUV posted...

Wind Waker directly references the sages from OoT in the stain glass windows of sunken Hyrule Castle.

Okay, but try to answer it again without directly ignoring the question.

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I kinda always assumed that they were either dead, or in another dimension to keep them (or their souls) safe/alive.


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I literally until this topic thought they were all alive.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

the rules have never been consistent. Why were there 7 sages in every other game, but only 2 in wind waker?

The sages in OoT had a different job than the sages of WW.

The Earth and Wind temples aren't even a thing in OoT. Those two temples are meant to bless the MS, which was not necessary in OoT.

Also like pointed out earlier by someone else, the OoT sages are referenced in the Castle.

I won't argue whether or not the sages are consistent, but in the instance you presented it definitely is consistent.

Alright. Time to visit the whale and save Ruto.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Okay, but try to answer it again without directly ignoring the question.

i dont think the sages in WW are the same variety as the seven sages. the ones in wind waker specifically say their purpose is to power up the master sword if it ever lost strength. the ones in LttP and Ocarina of Time do stuff with the Sacred Realm

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I never once thought about them being dead until this topic.

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Legato-and-Vash posted...

I never once thought about them being dead until this topic.

It's pretty dark in retrospect but what happens to them in subsequent games is even darker, like wind waker. And breath of the wild is perhaps the darkest of all, way too dark.

alright Im adult Link now. Time to save Saria!

Noumas posted...

It's pretty dark in retrospect but what happens to them in subsequent games is even darker, like wind waker. And breath of the wild is perhaps the darkest of all, way too dark.

What happens in Breath of the Wild? I never played that game.

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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

What happens in Breath of the Wild? I never played that game.

They're unambiguously dead. Just shy of getting killed on-screen. And have been dead for 100 years. Hell, Link himself almost suffered the same thing. The game itself begins with Link, 100 years later AKA present day, finally fully recovered while Zelda for that century has been barely keeping Calamity Ganon at bay and even then it's implied she's losing.

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yes i thought they were all dead

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