Current Events > The doctor told me I'm not supposed to eat meat more than 2 or 3 times a week.

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Mind = Blown
I always took meat for granted.

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The doctor told me I wouldn't get so many nosebleeds if I just kept my finger out of there.

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Do you have some kind of risk to heart disease or elevated cholesterol or something else for them for them to warn you?And anything about meat in general or red meat?

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Do you have some kind of risk to heart disease or elevated cholesterol or something else for them for them to warn you?And anything about meat in general or red meat?

high sodium

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Iirc it's 3-4 times a week, and that's just kinda general diet advice. Unless you're seeing a dietician or are all ready at risk for diabetes or heart disease, this doesn't seem like a very hard and fast rule to make you follow.

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Was the doctor a veterinarian?

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I'm not supposed to drink coffee. I drink it anyway cause fuck that.

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May I suggest going down to 0 times a week?

It used to be well known that eating red meat was associated with increased cardiovascular disease risk, but we now know that even poultry twice a week can increase risk of cardiovascular disease. Fish has not had this association and infact the skin in fish has alot of good fats.

I'm trying to cut down my own meat consumption as well. Its just that it tastes so good and I actually make it really well. At some point I'm gonna turn vegetarian and only make exceptions for special occasions.

High blood pressure? I rarely eat meat like once or twice a month. Chicken and fish a few times per week and the rest is plant based. Pretty much cut all my cholesterol numbers in half in two months. Also doing exercise and trying some natural pills cause statin don't make you feel great.

But if you ask Keto dieters they'll tell you it's all the fault of carbohydrates, sugar instead of red meat and butter. I've read a lot of books on diet, health lately and my conclusion is that it not so much the food, but what's been done to the food. Argentina eats the most amount of red meats in the world, yet their cardiovascular disease rate is half that of the US. Likely because of the quality of the meat, being grass fed instead of grain fed to the point they're metabolically sick and insulin resistant. It's a very interesting rabbit hole the whole nutrition, diet, health thing.

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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

High blood pressure? I rarely eat meat like once or twice a month. Chicken and fish a few times per week and the rest is plant based. Pretty much cut all my cholesterol numbers in half in two months. Also doing exercise and trying some natural pills cause statin don't make you feel great.

But if you ask Keto dieters they'll tell you it's all the fault of carbohydrates, sugar instead of red meat and butter. I've read a lot of books on diet, health lately and my conclusion is that it not so much the food, but what's been done to the food. Argentina eats the most amount of red meats in the world, yet their cardiovascular disease rate is half that of the US. Likely because of the quality of the meat, being grass fed instead of grain fed to the point they're metabolically sick and insulin resistant. It's a very interesting rabbit hole the whole nutrition, diet, health thing.

This, thanks for sharing

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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Argentina eats the most amount of red meats in the world, yet their cardiovascular disease rate is half that of the US. Likely because of the quality of the meat, being grass fed instead of grain fed to the point they're metabolically sick and insulin resistant. It's a very interesting rabbit hole the whole nutrition, diet, health thing.

That may be true but thats comparing apples and oranges if you factor in the amount of fast food americans eat.

Jx1010 posted...

This, thanks for sharing

Eat food that dilate your arteries so that your heart doesn't have to pump as hard. Pretty much comes down to a healthy, balanced diet with leafy vegetables (spinach), fruits (bananas for potassium), and low sodium. American Heart Assoc recomends around 1.5k mg of sodium per day if you have HBP which isn't THAT easy to do with a regular American diet. Also excercise. 75 minutes weekly of moderate excercise meaning heart around 140 BPM or 2 hours weekly of walking. Running did the trick after almost two months to get off the pressure pills. My BP was going into the 90s after having readings of 170 in the drs office, but it seems I also have a case of white coat where anxiety makes my BP rise.

TLDR: Balanced, healthy diet (quality stuff) and exercise is your best help. Pills if you really need them, but the point is to get off of them.

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The_Dan_Haren posted...

That may be true but thats comparing apples and oranges if you factor in the amount of fast food americans eat.

Right. The big culprit is the overall American diet. Candy for breakfast, HFC Syrup everywhere, thousands of extra calories per day. We are over fed, but under nourished of real food.

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LNSS posted...

high sodium

Do you mean high blood pressure?

Do you also tend to have a high sodium diet, eat out a lot, don't exercise and are stressed a lot?

Not having a consistent sleep schedule and not enough veggies, potassium and a balanced diet also. What carne said.

if your parents have it, then you are predisposed for sure.

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learn to love beans and legumes!

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Do you mean high blood pressure?

Do you also tend to have a high sodium diet, eat out a lot, don't exercise and are stressed a lot?

Not having a consistent sleep schedule and not enough veggies, potassium and a balanced diet also. What carne said.

if your parents have it, then you are predisposed for sure.

i exercise a little, but also need veggies

i think my mom has high blood pressure

but the reason the doctor said i have high sodium was because i had crystals on my pee

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DuranOfForcena posted...

you're doctor's a quack, there's no reason to limit yourself to eating meat only 2 to 3 times a week if you want to eat meat, that's fucking ridiculous.

and if your doctor said it's because of high sodium, that's bullshit. cut the sodium out of your diet if you are consuming too much sodium, not the meat. meats aren't automatically high in sodium just from being meat.

But processed meat is Lunch meat and whatever you eat at restaurants are loaded with sodium. And if you eat a lot of junk like chips, that's also a lot of sodium build up from there.

It's not just sodium intake and meat though he has to be careful about. Not eating a well balanced diet, not exercising enough, having a fucked sleep schedule and not getting 7-8jhrs a day... and just having parents who have high blood pressure will increase your likelihood of elevated blood pressure.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

you're doctor's a quack, there's no reason to limit yourself to eating meat only 2 to 3 times a week if you want to eat meat, that's fucking ridiculous.

and if your doctor said it's because of high sodium, that's bullshit. cut the sodium out of your diet if you are consuming too much sodium, not the meat. meats aren't automatically high in sodium just from being meat.

Like I said, eating any kind of red meat or poultry can increase your risk of heart disease significantly. Thats completely independent of sodium content.

DuranOfForcena posted...

by a small amount. and i'm not aware of any findings that lump poultry in there with the red meat.

i eat meat every day and i have good blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

You're not aware? Did you even bother to look?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2759737

you eating meat every day and having good blood pressure is n=1. Thats not how the medical world and healthcare work. The fact that you even said that just proves you have no clue.

DuranOfForcena posted...

yes, but not all meats are processed and you don't have to eat at restaurants. there are plenty of ways to get meat without it being high in sodium

this i agree with, TC's gotta get his veggies in in particular. meat can be part of a well balanced diet though is all i'm saying.

that being said, i googled this condition about salt crystals in urine, and apparently it can be caused by high sodium and/or high protein diets, so yeah, if that's the case, then maybe he should lay off the meats temporarily, but it doesn't sound like that's what was communicated to TC by their doctor.

I didn't say all meats are processed.. Just that lunch meats and other processed meats, plus eating out have higher sodium than normal.

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I just had a chicken burger from burger king and some chicken wings

0 red meat

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LNSS posted...

I just had a chicken burger from burger king and some chicken wings

0 red meat

There's your sodium problem

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I think your doctor is a pretty bad one. Honestly though most doctors suck. I think what your doctor meant is for you to stop eating lunch meat/deli meats and fast food. That should solve your sodium problem.

TrollTrace posted...

I think your doctor is a pretty bad one. Honestly though most doctors suck. I think what your doctor meant is for you to stop eating lunch meat/deli meats and fast food. That should solve your sodium problem.

Doctors typically recommend no more than 3 servings of red meat a week. There is an increase chance of colorectal cancer from a consumption of processed and red meat.


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