Current Events > Has Trump ever straight up denounced vaccines?

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I know he spent the better part of a year shit talking and attempting to discredit Fauci, WHO, CDC etc. But did he ever directly tell people not to get vaccinated?

I ask because I just can't understand anti vaxxers. Meaning the Trump administration pushed the vaccine, Trump and his family GOT the vaccine...yet his cult still thinks it's some government conspiracy to microchip us or something outrageous? I would've thought the orange messiah getting the vaccine would've been the end of the debate, yet here we are. Dude can talk people into eating horse dewormer and all other kinds of BS cures, but an actual vaccine is the line.

Wtf

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He told people to get vaccinated at one of his rallies and got booed for it

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Why would he do that? He was the driving force behind Operation: Warp Speed. He supports vaccinations.

I feel like he only advertised vaccines when it made it look like he was responsible for them.

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Turbam posted...

He told people to get vaccinated at one of his rallies and got booed for it

I thought he had encouraged it at one point. Note I'm not defending him at all

OpWarpSpeed posted...

Why would he do that? He was the driving force behind Operation: Warp Speed. He supports vaccinations.

Nice gimmick lol. As to your question, he told people to attack the Capitol and they did. I'm saying his cult will do whatever he says except get the vaccine lol

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I believe Trump would have been anti vax if he didnt catch covid.

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I mean he has been vaccinated and operation warpspeed is easily his biggest legacy as president

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Dathrowed1 posted...

I mean he has been vaccinated and operation warpspeed is easily his biggest legacy as president

And yet the slackjaws with Trump 2024 flags in their window won't touch it lol. Boggles the mind

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If you want to confuse a Trump voter, tell them that Trump vehemently encourages the use of vaccines

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Dont remember when he was calling it the Trump vaccine?

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He wants credit for them.

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He got the Pfizer vaccine himself and told his supporters to get it.

A lot of what he said and did during the pandemic was nothing more than catering to his audience. He knew exactly what buttons to push to get elected in 2016, and nearly succeeded in getting re-elected in 2020. Remember, he's not really a politician.

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Say it with me: Trump is an effect, not a cause.

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Mostly before he was President. Here's an article from 2016: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/trump-and-vaccines
It can't be overstated, however, how much a small concession to a niche group by an authority creates in-group out-group dynamics. Trump was constantly pushing false hope grift cures, like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, or even bleach, deeply undermined science-based policies and deeply emboldened even the nuttiest of conspiracy quacks. And it was mostly for political gain: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-cdc-interference-house-committee-coronavirus-1257495/
It's no surprise that anti-vax is overwhelming becoming a political issue: https://www.psypost.org/2021/06/study-indicates-donald-trump-was-the-main-anti-vaccination-influencer-on-twitter-in-2020-61032

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He did spread some antivax bullshit by linking vaccines to autism but that was pre-pandemic as far as I know.

https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-autism-awareness-day-vaccines-tweet/

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He denounced vaccines in 2016, saying that doctors used scary looking needles with a giant cocktail of who-knows-what into babies. He stressed how big and scary the syringe was, and showed support for linking autism and vaccines.

I'd say that counts as anti-vax.

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PoundGarden posted...

And yet the slackjaws with Trump 2024 flags in their window won't touch it lol. Boggles the mind

It is the biggest irony. So much everyone forgot the left was antivax initially (no Trump vaccine). Now they want everyone to get the Trump vaccines

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vaccines didn't get fully green-lit until after the election, there was no political benefit of getting in front of the stupid train he had set off months ago just to try to save some lives.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Trump was constantly pushing false hope grift cures, like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, or even bleach, deeply undermined science-based policies and deeply emboldened even the nuttiest of conspiracy quacks.

Yeah, putting things like ivermectin on the same level as vaccines when it comes to "how to deal with COVID" is anti-vax even if you aren't saying "Don't get the vaccine".

Most anti-vaxxers don't say "No one should be allowed to get a vaccine".

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https://www.thetrumparchive.com/?searchbox=%22vaccine%22

Trump has always been shit.
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Phantom36 posted...

A lot of what he said and did during the pandemic was nothing more than catering to his audience.

trump was pushing the anti-vaxx propaganda too. GOP and trump turned the crazed redhats towards that goal and succeeded. now they're dying or worse off than before.
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pinky0926 posted...

If you want to confuse a Trump voter, tell them that Trump vehemently encourages the use of vaccines

He has encouraged use of vaccines though.

OpWarpSpeed posted...

He has encouraged use of vaccines though.

Yeah, but Trump voters tend to worship him and simultaneously don't want to accept that

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CableZL posted...

Yeah, but Trump voters tend to worship him and simultaneously don't want to accept that

Trump supporters aren't all the same. Many support and encourage vaccination, and we don't treat him like some sort of god.

It started with him opposing masks and pretending covid wasn't that bad. Then because the vaccine starting becoming available after he lost the presidency, he didn't care about pushing it. That allowed the chuds who supported him to turn their anti-mask, anti-restriction sentiment into anti-vax sentiment. It really didn't matter whether he was explicitly anti-vax or just silent.

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After he got booed, he kind if just shrugged his shoulders and immediately changed the subject. Guy doesn't give af. He'll just pander to his base.

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The only time he did I think it was about vaccines causing autism or something ridiculous. Dont recall him denouncing the COVID vaccine at my point.

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Before covid yes, and he also said to not get kids vaccinated

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OpWarpSpeed posted...

Trump supporters aren't all the same. Many support and encourage vaccination, and we don't treat him like some sort of god.

"Trump voters tend to worship him." Never said all Trump voters worship him. Let's not pretend these things didn't happen / aren't happening:

• Thousands of Trump supporters stormed the capitol based solely on blatant lies told by Trump
• Trump supporters made a golden Trump statue at CPAC
• Wyoming GOP is ostracizing Liz Cheney because she doesn't kiss Trump's ass
• Arizona GOP is doing whatever Trump tells them to by conducting pointless audits even after the election was confirmed.
• GOP state legislatures across the country are enacting voting rights restrictions because Trump convinced them them that widespread voter fraud exists
• Evangelicals making claims that high profile religious figures (angels, god himself, etc.) would reverse the 2020 election results
• Trump supporters were repeatedly stranded in the cold after his rallies in 2020 and they saw nothing wrong with this

Trump supporters praying outside the election building in Nevada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-mSGuYLG6c


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Dathrowed1 posted...

It is the biggest irony. So much everyone forgot the left was antivax initially (no Trump vaccine). Now they want everyone to get the Trump vaccines

No they weren't.
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As others have said I believe he was kind of anti-vaxx for a while or at least talked like he was. This was before he was President. I can't find any quick articles on Google because you Google Trump and vaccines now and all you get is Covid. I didn't look too hard though.

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shockthemonkey posted...

You dont have to respond seriously to RealDill

Admittedly, I need to pay more attention to usernames

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PoundGarden posted...

I thought he had encouraged it at one point. Note I'm not defending him at all

Nice gimmick lol. As to your question, he told people to attack the Capitol and they did. I'm saying his cult will do whatever he says except get the vaccine lol

he never told people to attack anything or anyone he said march on Washington, thats means a protest to me, you know carrying signs and doing peaceful things, the crazy attackers did that on their own

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Rharyx211 posted...

I feel like he only advertised vaccines when it made it look like he was responsible for them.

correct. and once it was apparent that he lost the election, he changed his tune because he wanted to make Biden look bad

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skermac posted...

he never told people to attack anything or anyone he said march on Washington, thats means a protest to me, you know carrying signs and doing peaceful things, the crazy attackers did that on their own

Wrong.
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According to CNN, yes, several times a day, every day, while making the nazi salute.

In the real world, no.

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He was promoting them on one of his tours the other day.

Your confusion comes from thinking Trump had real influence over these people. That's not exactly it. They followed him only because he appealed to things they already believed to begin with. He spoke to their base nature of sexism, racism and anti-intellectualism (among other things.) Trump gave them permission to go full mask off, so to speak and emboldened them to act in the way they've always wanted to.

skermac posted...

he never told people to attack anything or anyone he said march on Washington, thats means a protest to me, you know carrying signs and doing peaceful things, the crazy attackers did that on their own

You left out the rest of the sentence, the part where he yelled "AND FIGHT LIKE HELL!!!" after directing a crowd of lunatics to march down to the Capitol.

Only after they did just that did he add the "oh and do it peacefully" disclaimer. An hour or two into the chaos. Absolutely nothing about the speech beforehand implied they should "peacefully protest".

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lolife67 posted...

Your confusion comes from thinking Trump had real influence over these people. That's not exactly it. They followed him only because he appealed to things they already believed to begin with. He spoke to their base nature of sexism, racism and anti-intellectualism (among other things.) Trump gave them permission to go full mask off, so to speak and emboldened them to act in the way they've always wanted to.

Isn't that exactly what influencing is though? Telling/showing people what they want to hear and/or preying on their fears and insecurities to gain their support?

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PoundGarden posted...

Isn't that exactly what influencing is though? Telling/showing people what they want to hear and/or preying on their fears and insecurities to gain their support?

That's not direct influence, though. As in telling them what to think.

lolife67 posted...

That's not direct influence, though. As in telling them what to think.

Didn't he though?

- claimed only he could save America, protect them, etc
- told them news is made up and fake
- told them Fauci was a fraud
- told them the CDC/WHO was a waste of money and a fraud
- convinced them the election was a fraud
- told them to attack the Capitol
- told them mandates were unconstitutional

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PoundGarden posted...

Didn't he though?

- claimed only he could save America, protect them, etc
- told them news is made up and fake
- told them Fauci was a fraud
- told them the CDC/WHO was a waste of money and a fraud
- convinced them the election was a fraud
- told them to attack the Capitol
- told them mandates were unconstitutional

All those are things they believed or wanted to believe prior to Trump. That's the part you seem to be missing? They've always felt like they were the "true" victims" in society and were anti-intellectual.

trump is pro vaccine, he just has to weasle around it to not upset the crazy portion of his audience

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lolife67 posted...

All those are things they believed or wanted to believe prior to Trump. That's the part you seem to be missing? They've always felt like they were the "true" victims" in society and were anti-intellectual.

Ah, so you're saying he didn't necessarily plant any new ideas, just expanded upon existing paranoia and amped up the madness by telling them they've been right all along?

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PoundGarden posted...

Ah, so you're saying he didn't necessarily plant any new ideas, just expanded upon existing paranoia and amped up the madness by telling them they've been right all along?

Exactly.

Junior_AIN posted...

According to CNN, yes, several times a day, every day, while making the nazi salute.

In the real world, no.

Do you have a link to CNN claiming that?