Poll of the Day > It's wild to me that some people still don't get the flu vaccine

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BEERandWEED posted...

I trust God.

what if god wants to trust us?

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PeterPumpknhead posted...

what if god wants to trust us?

He does, even though we constantly let him down.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Why do you think the flu shot makes you sick? I've never 'gotten sick' from the flu shot. It's also not just for myself - the more immunity (even if only 40%), the less spread, period.

I'm one of those people who experiences side effects from the flu shot, and have every time I've had it.

BEERandWEED posted...

He does, even though we constantly let him down.

claiming to know the will of god is damn foolishness

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BlackScythe0 posted...

I'm one of those people who experiences side effects from the flu shot, and have every time I've had it.

yes its called an immune response, it means the vaccine is working

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PeterPumpknhead posted...

yes its called an immune response, it means the vaccine is working

So it's working by making me sick when I wouldn't have otherwise been sick. Think at least a little harder about that.

PeterPumpknhead posted...

claiming to know the will of god is damn foolishness

Pray more. He will speak to you also.

BEERandWEED posted...

Pray more. He will speak to you also.

I don't really care about him speaking to me, I just want to see the experimental data that justifies believing that God has reduced influenza rates by more than 40%.

Heck, for that matter, even if God has reduced flu rates by more than 40%, why should that in any way preclude reducing them by a further 40%? They're still very comfortably above zero, with fatal consequences, so there's obviously still plenty of reason to strive toward even partially reducing that.

BlackScythe0 posted...

So it's working by making me sick when I wouldn't have otherwise been sick. Think at least a little harder about that.

Yes, that's exactly how it works. Your "sick" is purely an immune response, not an actual infection. By experiencing that, you're protected from an actual infection. That actual infection may not end up causing symptoms for you, but you can still end up infecting others, for whom it could be more serious.

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Thankfully, we still have the choice.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

So it's working by making me sick when I wouldn't have otherwise been sick. Think at least a little harder about that.

an immune response is not anywhere as bad as being stricken with the actual flu

when you get a vaccine youre getting the training dummy version of the virus so your body can make antibodies to fight viruses that look like that one and take advantage of its weaknesses

it takes work to do that though because your body is basically doing a military mobilization and it can wear you out for a couple days

sometimes the right thing aint easy either

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Thankfully, we still have the choice.

I think thats a fair view.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Thankfully, we still have the choice.

Unfortunately, a lot of people insist on using that choice in a terribly silly way.

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I got a flu shot last year because my wife was pregnant but I'll probably get one this year as well because I feel like the mass of people avoiding contact due to covid might actually cause a bad flu season this year

I've got a little girl less than 2 years old so I'm paranoid about everything

Less than 0.013% of Americans die from the flu or pneumonia.

While heart disease tops the charts at 1.7% and yet, unhealthy fast food and soda are consumed in bulk by hundreds of millions daily.

Perhaps, diet and lifestyle are the biggest protection from illness. Just perhaps.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

No we can't.

yeah we can if everybody got the shot

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Less than 0.013% of Americans die from the flu or pneumonia.

While heart disease tops the charts at 1.7% and yet, unhealthy fast food and soda are consumed in bulk by hundreds of millions daily.

Perhaps, diet and lifestyle are the biggest protection from illness. Just perhaps.

it just feels like youre looking for an argument, not really looking for that at this time

I agree that taking good care of your body and eating healthy nourishing foods is very important. I think that staying informed and making educated opinions about things is important as well

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PeterPumpknhead posted...

it just feels like youre looking for an argument, not really looking for that at this time

I agree that taking good care of your body and eating healthy nourishing foods is very important. I think that staying informed and making educated opinions about things is important as well

Those same dangerous foods are deemed safe for consumption by the FDA. For what purpose would an organization allow dangerous foods to be consumed daily and then offer a pill or shot to cure what ails you? Think about that for a minute.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Those same dangerous foods are deemed safe for consumption by the FDA. For what purpose would an organization allow dangerous foods to be consumed daily and then offer a pill or shot to cure what ails you? Think about that for a minute.

what the fuck are you babbling about? who said anything about dangerous foods and what does that have to do with flu shots? This is why I have had you blocked for so long, this is insufferable behavior you are engaging in at this moment. Can you realize that?

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You talked about informed opinions.

The FDA can't be trusted.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

You talked about informed opinions.

The FDA can't be trusted.

not interested in conspiracies

if you have something verifiable and substantive then share it. If not then begone with this nonsense.

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PeterPumpknhead posted...

not interested in conspiracies

if you have something verifiable and substantive then share it. If not then begone with this nonsense.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact.

The FDA is two-faced. They say it's safe to consume unsafe things, then when we get ill, they offer the "cure" but it's not really a cure but a lead in to more snake oil.

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Like I said.

PeterPumpknhead posted...

not interested in conspiracies

if you have something verifiable and substantive then share it. If not then begone with this nonsense.

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I do honestly think we'll one day best diseases like the flu. Just not with our current methods and technology. My personal suspicion is that we'll get nanobots that will seek and destroy viruses and other health issues (like cancer) but that's just a guess.

SunWuKung420 posted...

It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact.

The FDA is two-faced. They say it's safe to consume unsafe things, then when we get ill, they offer the "cure" but it's not really a cure but a lead in to more snake oil.

So you chakra your way through every illness?
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Revelation34 posted...

So you chakra your way through every illness?

Yes.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Less than 0.013% of Americans die from the flu or pneumonia.

0.013% of Americans is still 42,000 people, no matter how much you want to dehumanize that very real cost by putting extra statistical layers in front of it. Allocating resources to preventing the 9th-leading cause of death is quite worthwhile.

That's also an exceedingly misleading way to present that statistic, given that you're presenting it as a percentage of all Americans instead of a percentage of Americans that die. which is itself only 0.87% of Americans, each year (at least in 2019; I'll welcome corrections from anyone that cares enough to calculate that with a bit more rigor). Look at it in terms of what percentage of deaths are caused by influenza/pneumonia, and you get 1.7% (coincidentally, your heart disease figure, though that coincidence is meaningless), which is a couple orders of magnitude harder to dismiss.

SunWuKung420 posted...

While heart disease tops the charts at 1.7% and yet, unhealthy fast food and soda are consumed in bulk by hundreds of millions daily.

Perhaps, diet and lifestyle are the biggest protection from illness. Just perhaps.

Based again on 2019 data, heart disease killed either 0.2% of the overall population or accounted for 23.1% of deaths. I'm not sure where you're getting 1.7% from, but either way, that doesn't seem to be a proper comparison because it doesn't have the same denominator as your flu numbers.

Of course, however broken your comparison is, heart disease is clearly significantly more dangerous than the flu, so your underlying point is accurate. People should indeed eat more healthily, that's correct. What I don't understand, though, is why you're presenting it as a dichotomy. People can eat more healthily to prevent heart disease and also get flu shots to protect themselves and those around them from the flu. Nobody ever has to choose between those two things, outside of relatively rare instances where the time it takes to get a flu shot means they're unable to work enough to afford to eat healthily (which is largely insconsequential on such a small scale and can be safely discounted).

SunWuKung420 posted...

Those same dangerous foods are deemed safe for consumption by the FDA. For what purpose would an organization allow dangerous foods to be consumed daily and then offer a pill or shot to cure what ails you? Think about that for a minute.

Mostly because not doing that would entail micromanaging people's diets to an extremely totalitarian level. They approve those dangerous foods because those foods are not dangerous enough to cause problems unless people abuse them, and because people like having the freedom to choose what they eat. They subsequently approve drugs to help cure the problems created by abusing those dangerous foods because people do abuse them and that creates demand for cures for those problems. It's not an FDA conspiracy (the FDA isn't particularly involved in creating any of those things), that's just the FDA responding to demand created by people making their own choices about what to consume.

Is there room to improve that process and reduce the amount of corruption involved? Absolutely. The extent to which food processing megacorps outright lie to consumers about the safety of what they eat is very much a problem, and part of that includes lobbying to keep the FDA from enforcing greater transparency. But ultimately, heart disease is not the FDA's fault. It's extremely common knowledge that eating too much unhealthy food has health consequences. There's little more the FDA could do to better inform consumers about that risk. The problem is that consumers are accepting that risk and choosing to eat unhealthily in spite of it, which the FDA can't reasonably stop.

Incidentally, if the FDA were to start banning unhealthy foods, pizza and beer would be pretty high up on that list, so you might want to be careful what you wish for.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Yes.

Although, i don't get sick.

Literally impossible.
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@BEERandWEED

adjl posted...

I don't really care about him speaking to me, I just want to see the experimental data that justifies believing that God has reduced influenza rates by more than 40%.

Heck, for that matter, even if God has reduced flu rates by more than 40%, why should that in any way preclude reducing them by a further 40%? They're still very comfortably above zero, with fatal consequences, so there's obviously still plenty of reason to strive toward even partially reducing that.

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PeterPumpknhead posted...

seems like most people have ditched masks at this point to

Now I am wondering about the current regulations in the US. As mainland Europe is regulating stricter again.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

I'm one of those people who experiences side effects from the flu shot, and have every time I've had it.

Fair perspective. How bad is it typically for you?

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Now I am wondering about the current regulations in the US.

It varies by region. Some places are ramping up requirements again. Some places are making it illegal for any place to request that people wear masks. Large swaths of the US have become festering hellscapes of stupidity since this whole pandemic business started. It's kind of a problem.

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