Current Events > Why are people protesting JK Rowling

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I have not been following this situation. So this does not became a part of the debate . Let's just say everything that said about her was true and she hates trans people. Why protest her ?

Like there are ton of a bigots in the world, protesting her just being a bigot isn't going to help anything. It would be one thing if she beat up trans person are is in parliament , but she isn't she is just some old lady complaining.

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why is she protesting trans people to the legion of people who have enjoyed her unrelated library of work?

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She's not just any transphobe. She's also one with a considerable amount of influence and prestige, and she's used it to prop up other transphobes.

So if your argument is "there are a lot of bigots, why target one" it's because the intent is to oppose the more powerful of them to have the most effect.

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The problem is that she uses her platform to espouse her transphobic beliefs, and she is the patron of multiple women's charities, which isn't great when trans-women have enough trouble accessing the help they need, without people like Rowling trying to exclude them.

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She said wizards used to just poop on the ground while going about their business.

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what a dumbass topic

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K181 posted...

She said wizards used to just poop on the ground while going about their business.

Also that.

They just shit on the ground.

Right on the ground.

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Bonnie Wright wasn't hot enough for their sad virgin imaginations.
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First they came etc

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You get mad at Biden for using actors in an advertisement, but people being upset with the biggest author of the century spewing transphobia all over twitter to the point that the people working with her are denouncing her is confusing you.

Weird.

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Why do you think?

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The main issue is just she's a TERF. But the bigger problem is JK Rowling is also full of herself and craves attention. So when she shared TERF stuff and people on twitter disagreed with her, she decided to double down.

and then double down again, by releasing a whole ****Ing essay about how she's the real victim and trans women are evil and blah blah blah generic TERF talking points that are either disingenuous or BS.

And then doubled down again by releasing a bestseller entirely based around trans-panic BS.

CyricZ posted...

She's not just any transphobe. She's also one with a considerable amount of influence and prestige, and she's used it to prop up other transphobes.

So if your argument is "there are a lot of bigots, why target one" it's because the intent is to oppose the more powerful of them to have the most effect.

Also this. Rowling has just shy of 14 million twitter followers. That means she can spread her transphobic junk to more people than there are in Belgium. Or for a different example, that's more people than there are in Pennsylvania, the 5th highest populated state in the US.

so the problem is she's spouting off toxic ideologies towards a minority group, to a huge audience, where she is in a position of respect amongst many of them, and every time someone tries to educate her or explain the issue or whatever, she doubles down on the awful rhetoric.

Theyre protesting her because shes a big celebrity who is not being politically correct & also not shutting the f*** up.

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Idk, I don't really care. What's the big thing about her? She doesnt like trans ppl?

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DeadBankerDream posted...

You get mad at Biden for using actors in an advertisement, but people being upset with the biggest author of the century spewing transphobia all over twitter to the point that the people working with her are denouncing her is confusing you.

Weird.

First I didn't get upset with HARRIS using actors. If you are going to lie about me at least get the situation correct. I rolled my eyes at the situation. The fact that it was played as real kids and not just actors, was stupid. In fact when people were complaining about the ad from the get go. Other people defended it thinking the kids were not actors. Therefore it is a clear that the play was to make this seem like real kids and fool people. And even with that harris came off wooded and stuff. This is like the second time you have lied about that. So what if your fucking deal. This has nothing to with the topic at hand. Harris tried to used actors to humanize her. She failed. I said the whole thing was stupid months ago and you are still bring it up. For what . Now chuckles, when Trump lied about his crowd size I talked about that too.

As for as this case. There are a to of a bigots who are lot more powerful than she is . But most people don't protest them randomly. So asking why she is being targeted is not an odd question.

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So what arguments has she made? Can people actually explain what she has said, using quotes, as opposed to hyperbole?

cjsdowg posted...

As for as this case. There are a to of a bigots who are lot more powerful then she is . But most people don't protest them randomly.

Which bigots with more influence than her are ignored?
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Funkydog posted...

Which bigots with more influence than her are ignored?

Literally every warmonger in DC. Henry Kissinger is still alive and giving advice but nobody seems to care.

Proto_Spark posted...

And then doubled down again by releasing a bestseller entirely based around trans-panic BS.

This didn't happen
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lilORANG posted...

This didn't happen

It did though, what the hell are you on about?

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gunplagirl posted...

It did though, what the hell are you on about?

Because if you're stupid enough to think this, you also have to cancel Green Goblin and Bugs Bunny.
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Rayman2943 posted...

Literally every warmonger in DC. Henry Kissinger is still alive and giving advice but nobody seems to care.

I was speaking more for in the UK where Rowling's influence is actually being exerted and where people are protesting her.
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"What's the big deal if an insanely rich celebrity publically declares that black people are animals and a threat to the rights of the rest of us, and is intentionally signal boosting other racists and funding charities to further her goals?"

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lilORANG posted...

Because if you're stupid enough to think this, you also have to cancel Green Goblin and Bugs Bunny.

So you're saying that she never published a novel where a killer was a man who pretended to be a woman in order to kill women?

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lZUAL_REBlRTH posted...

So what arguments has she made? Can people actually explain what she has said, using quotes, as opposed to hyperbole?

Hey @Medussa you were right. He's back.

.... Wait Green Goblin?

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Does Izual ever truly go away? He's like mould, or a cockroach.
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Funkydog posted...

I was speaking more for in the UK where Rowling's influence is actually being exerted and where people are protesting her.

Some Tories with power.

It is like people going to Ben Shapiro house, house to protest. Like I see if they are protesting at a college he is speaking at because he they sending a message to the college. But if you do it at his home, that isn't sending a message that just giving people ammo to used on you. Beyond that what is the end game there.


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cjsdowg posted...

Some Tories with power.

It is like people going to Ben Shapiro house, house to protest. Like I see if they are protesting at a college he is speaking at because he they sending a message to the college. But if you do it at his home, that isn't sending a message that just giving people ammo to used on you. Beyond that what is the end game there.

Yeah, a real shame no one here protests the Tories and constantly speaks out against them.

Obviously they should be doing it more, but plenty of us speak out against the vile rhetoric and laws they are pushing through this very moment. To act like because three people posted her publicly available address that is used to boost tourism means nothing else happens is asinine.
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Weren't people protesting Biden at his house in Delaware before he got elected? Don't remember people crying about doxxing and how bad it made legitimate grievances look.

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cjsdowg posted...

Let's just say everything that said about her was true and she hates trans people. Why protest her ?

Just answered your own question.
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gunplagirl posted...

So you're saying that she never published a novel where a killer was a man who pretended to be a woman in order to kill women?

I never denied that. But it's not "entirely based" around it. That dude was a minor character, cis-gender, and not even the main antagonist. You'd have to be exceptionally daft to think that was some play at transgender folk and not just another cartoon character making people drop their guard by batting fake eyelashes.
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lilORANG posted...

I never denied that. But it's not "entirely based" around it. That dude was a minor character, cis-gender, and not even the main antagonist. You'd have to be exceptionally daft to think that was some play at transgender folk and not just another cartoon character making people drop their guard by batting fake eyelashes.

It was a jab at transgender folk, yes.

But I did go back and see that the bulk of this argument arose from the guy who said it was specifically about the one killer.

For what it's worth I did say "a killer" and not "the killer". You know, because fucking English language and degrees of specificity.

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Rayman2943 posted...

Literally every warmonger in DC. Henry Kissinger is still alive and giving advice but nobody seems to care.

If you think JK Rowling is more protested than Henry Kissinger I'd have to restrain my urge to drop a bridge on you long enough to sell it to you.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

If you think JK Rowling is more protested than Henry Kissinger I'd have to restrain my urge to drop a bridge on you long enough to sell it to you.

In the western world? You do realize Kissinger is vastly worst right? What about John Bolton? Ed Luttwak? Eliott Abrams?

CyricZ posted...

Hey @Medussa you were right. He's back.

.... Wait Green Goblin?

@CyricZ

That was my reaction as well until I remembered what I think he's referring to. Green Goblin in the burning building, dressed and screaming like a woman to lure Spider-Man into a trap.

The thing is, cj, JK Rowling is one of the biggest anti-trans figures in Britain. And with her basically having a free pass to smear trans women as predatory rapists using femininity to prey on cisgender women, she's furthering a radical anti-trans narrative that continues to grow in Britain.

At the start of the month, there was a BBC article about how trans porn stars were pressuring cisgender lesbian performers to have sex with them - an article that was led by cis performers and which featured no input from any trans performers or agencies to refute what was being said. One of the lead voices showcased in the article was from a performer who has been openly calling for the mass murder of trans women - the Wachowskis, Kaitlyn Jenner and other famous trans celebs, but also urging people to attack any trans people they see. She's outright said "trans people should be lynched". That's the sort of voice the BBC has seen fit to amplify, which should tell you the sort of situation Britain is in.

Source: https://www.starobserver.com.au/news/lesbian-porn-star-lily-cade-calls-for-lynching-of-trans-woman-after-bbc-article-backlash/206787

For another example - you might know about Laurel Hubbard, a transgender weightlifter from NZ who competed at the Tokyo Olympics to much outrage and consternation over her "natural advantage". This woman has been smeared as this disingenuous cheater, setting records in the women's divisions that cis women could never hope to accomplish - despite the fact that Laurel Hubbard lifted weights in men's divisions for years after her transition, which is where she was setting those records, and that when she competed in Tokyo she didn't even place.

So with that context, look at this screenshot:



The majority of reactions about her competing, mind you, were negative. So you can imagine what the bulk of that Twitter activity was.

And finally, the TERF situation in relation to public toilets has been heated for years, to the point that cisgender women have been confronted and escorted out of women's bathrooms for looking too masculine. There are recent reports talking about it in Britain, like this one:

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/butch-lesbian-public-toilet-women-abuse-government-review-gender-neutral-facilities-833787

And here's a couple from the lead-up to the 2016 US elections, where multiple cisgender women in America were harassed out of public toilets due to transphobic abuse - which I bring up because this sort of attitude has been happening for a good while now:

https://www.advocate.com/business/2015/06/17/detroit-woman-kicked-out-restaurant-bathroom-looking-man-sues

https://www.newstimes.com/local/amp/Woman-mistaken-for-transgender-harassed-in-7471666.php

I bring up the fact that these women are cisgender because it shows that trans panic doesn't just target trans people. The hate becomes so overblown and vitriolic that cisgender women, women who were assigned female at birth, get targeted in public bathrooms due to transphobic attitudes coming to a boil.

So if you've been reading, you can follow that transphobia in Britain is at a fever pitch right now. We've covered how trans panic doesn't just target trans women. And now, we should put JK Rowling's influence on this in perspective.

Not only is JK Rowling one of the most celebrated children's authors of her generation, she's got 14.5 million Twitter followers - as someone else mentioned, that's more than the population of Belgium. She's venerated in her home country, meaning that when she talks, people listen. In the building backlash against transgender people in Britain, JK Rowling emerged as one of the most prominent voices of this movement, exposing the TERF movement to a broader audience - in the wake of her initial transphobic tweets, "TERF" became the most searched term on Google:

https://www.india.com/viral/terf-becomes-the-most-searched-query-on-google-after-jk-rowlings-anti-trans-tweets-heres-what-it-means-4055490

Which put a lot of eyes on that movement, and helped to legitimize it to a wider audience through her endorsement.

So we've talked about how she has more followers than a small country, but let's keep that figure localised to Twitter. How popular is she on Twitter, and how much reach can she really have?

Well, for starters, Twitter has 400 million accounts. Some of them are bots, some of them are inactive, some of them don't do jack shit. But regardless, there are 400 million Twitter accounts.

JK Rowling's Twitter account is #182 in the world in terms of followers.

Her Twitter account has more followers than the fucking Associated Press.

https://www.trackalytics.com/the-most-followed-twitter-profiles/page/8/

So let's sum up the info.

The TERF movement has been on the rise globally, with trans-related bathroom attacks happening as far back as 2016 in the lead up to the US election. This movement was later legitimized in the eyes of many through the endorsement of JK Rowling, whose endorsement caused the term "TERF" to become the most searched term on Google in the wake of her transphobic comments.

Since her endorsement of this group, the anti-trans fervor in Britain has only been escalating, with cisgender women being confronted for using public restrooms and the BBC featuring personalities who are openly calling for trans people to be lynched.

With international fame, and the reach that her 14.5 million Twitter followers has, JK Rowling acts as a figurehead of the TERF movement and normalises transphobia in the aforementioned ways. Her influence on the public perception of transgender people is far-reaching and important, and that's why people are protesting JK Rowling.

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Rayman2943 posted...

In the western world? You do realize Kissinger is vastly worst right? What about John Bolton? Ed Luttwak? Eliott Abrams?

Yes, all of those people are more protested than JK Rowling in the western world, and I don't even know who Ed Luttwak is.

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TheSavageDragon posted...

That was my reaction as well until I remembered what I think he's referring to. Green Goblin in the burning building, dressed and screaming like a woman to lure Spider-Man into a trap.

Ohhhh totally forgot about that.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Yes, all of those people are more protested than JK Rowling in the western world, and I don't even know who Ed Luttwak is.

John Bolton is a liberal hero ffs.

Elliot Abrams is literally guilty of genocide in Latin America.

Luttwak is just as bad.

Well, I would say its a good thing genocide committers are protested more than a TERF book author.

Literally never heard of a "liberal" who likes John Bolton.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Well, I would say its a good thing genocide committers are protested more than a TERF book author.

Literally never heard of a "liberal" who likes John Bolton.

Wtf are you talking about. Liberals love John Bolton. That's why he was on CNN/MSNBC 24/7.

And you don't even know who Elliot Abrams is. Even though he is far far far more deserving of cancelation than JK Rowling yet nobody cares.

Rayman2943 posted...

Wtf are you talking about. Liberals love John Bolton. That's why he was on CNN/MSNBC 24/7.

And you don't even know who Elliot Abrams is. Even though he is far far far more deserving of cancelation than JK Rowling yet nobody cares.

Why exactly are you expecting British people to protest an American politician?
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You: Person 1, 2 and 3

Me: I don't know person 3

You: You don't know person 2? Pfffffh!

Right...

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Funkydog posted...

Why exactly are you expecting British people to protest an American politician?

Most of the people here are Americans protesting a British author.

DeadBankerDream posted...

You: Person 1, 2 and 3

Me: I don't know person 3

You: You don't know person 2? Pfffffh!

Right...

When has Eliot Abrams ever been protested? As I recall. He had enough clout to write a piece about Obama being an anti-semite a few years back in a conservative rag.

Despite the crimes he was guilty of.

JK Rowling is not fueling Transphobia, the idea that she holds that trans women are not the same as cis women is one that is held by the majority of humans. Attacking beloved authors and comedians will do nothing but make public opinion of trans people worse, fight the ideas and convince the public of the value of these new beliefs but stop all these literal online troll tactics in your activism ffs

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Cus of the whole wizard poop controversy

sevihaimerej posted...

JK Rowling is not fueling Transphobia

Lie.

the idea that she holds that trans women are not the same as cis women is one that is held by the majority of humans.

Joanne's beliefs do not remotely stop there.

Attacking beloved authors and comedians will do nothing but make public opinion of trans people worse, fight the ideas and convince the public of the value of these new beliefs but stop all these literal online troll tactics in your activism ffs

Sevi, how would you kill an idea?

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sevihaimerej posted...

JK Rowling is not fueling Transphobia

Post #37 demonstrated handily that she is.

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