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ZMythos 11/27/21 2:39:00 PM #151:	SierraDawn posted... That's different as well. Fixing the ozone layer helps everybody. You're talking about charging everybody to only help a small group of people become wealthy. What if I told you that helping raise people out of poverty actually helps everyone in society? Are you even capable of making that connection? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960399842] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>That's different as well. Fixing the ozone layer helps everybody. You're talking about charging everybody to only help a small group of people become wealthy.</quote>What if I told you that helping raise people out of poverty actually helps everyone in society? Are you even capable of making that connection? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 2:39:54 PM #152:	Antifar posted... Nobody is talking about punishment; what's at stake is money to people still suffering material harms Literally everyone I've asked in this topic openly admits reparations wont fix the historical impact of slavery --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960399872] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is talking about punishment; what's at stake is money to people still suffering material harms</quote> Literally everyone I've asked in this topic openly admits reparations wont fix the historical impact of slavery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:40:23 PM #153:	Gobstoppers12 posted... This is why you keep losing arguments. We pay plenty of tax already. The real issue is how much of the money gets wasted. Reparations, with the distribution designated by the government, would be a colossal waste of money. Government is not the problem. Our oversight of it is. Society is on the verge of collapse because our government is failing to do its job. We are supposed to control the government. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960399887] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>This is why you keep losing arguments. We pay plenty of tax already. The real issue is how much of the money gets wasted. Reparations, with the distribution designated by the government, would be a colossal waste of money.</quote>Government is not the problem. Our oversight of it is. Society is on the verge of collapse because our government is failing to do its job. We are supposed to control the government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:40:40 PM #154:	Solid Snake07 posted... Literally everyone I've asked in this topic openly admits reparations wont fix the historical impact of slavery I don't remember being asked. Yes, reparations will help fix the historical impact of slavery --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960399895] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Literally everyone I've asked in this topic openly admits reparations wont fix the historical impact of slavery</quote>I don't remember being asked. Yes, reparations will help fix the historical impact of slavery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 2:40:44 PM #155:	_HayleyWilliams posted... You keep talking about millions and making all black people wealthy. I never said anything of the sort. Weird how you feel so personally attacked by victims getting fair compensation from the government Because that's what BLM is asking for. Like 27 million dollars per person. Even 100,000 dollars per black person would cost the taxpayer 5 trillion dollars. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960399898] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>You keep talking about millions and making all black people wealthy. I never said anything of the sort. Weird how you feel so personally attacked by victims getting fair compensation from the government</quote>Because that's what BLM is asking for. Like 27 million dollars per person. Even 100,000 dollars per black person would cost the taxpayer 5 trillion dollars. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:41:01 PM #156:	Solid Snake07 posted... Literally everyone I've asked in this topic openly admits reparations wont fix the historical impact of slavery Reparations for murder victims won't fix the historical impact of murder --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960399911] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Literally everyone I've asked in this topic openly admits reparations wont fix the historical impact of slavery</quote>Reparations for murder victims won't fix the historical impact of murder </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeyondWalls 11/27/21 2:41:41 PM #157:	OK. These are all deep questions, but... How do I get my television show where Donald Trump travels back in time to start a dinosaur breeding farm so we can harvest the oil in present day? I want a scene of Donald Trump riding a T-Rex trying to get it to fuck another T-Rex. --- END OF LINE <cite>BeyondWalls posted [p:960399922] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>OK. These are all deep questions, but... How do I get my television show where Donald Trump travels back in time to start a dinosaur breeding farm so we can harvest the oil in present day? I want a scene of Donald Trump riding a T-Rex trying to get it to fuck another T-Rex. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 2:42:26 PM #158:	ZMythos posted... What if I told you that helping raise people out of poverty actually helps everyone in society? Are you even capable of making that connection? But you're only helping select people. If you want to help everyone in poverty, I'm all for that. Bring on the global wage or whatever it's called. But raising only a certain group out of poverty, while leaving everyone else to wallow in the muck, would do a lot of damage. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960399940] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>What if I told you that helping raise people out of poverty actually helps everyone in society? Are you even capable of making that connection?</quote>But you're only helping select people. If you want to help everyone in poverty, I'm all for that. Bring on the global wage or whatever it's called. But raising only a certain group out of poverty, while leaving everyone else to wallow in the muck, would do a lot of damage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:42:42 PM #159:	SierraDawn posted... Because that's what BLM is asking for. Like 27 million dollars per person. Even 100,000 dollars per black person would cost the taxpayer 5 trillion dollars. Shit, I didn't know the BLM organization got exactly what they asked for when the entire damn argument is still theoretical. Are you also against everyone getting help for X, Y, or Z because of the amount it would cost in taxes? Should we just abolish government? --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960399946] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Because that's what BLM is asking for. Like 27 million dollars per person. Even 100,000 dollars per black person would cost the taxpayer 5 trillion dollars.</quote>Shit, I didn't know the BLM organization got exactly what they asked for when the entire damn argument is still theoretical. Are you also against everyone getting help for X, Y, or Z because of the amount it would cost in taxes? Should we just abolish government? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trappedunderice 11/27/21 2:42:46 PM #160:	Tc lives on the U.S of A <cite>trappedunderice posted [p:960399947] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Tc lives on the U.S of A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 2:42:56 PM #161:	Cpt_Pineapple posted... alt right Kevin Sorbo questions why California should pay slavery reperations. The thing is, these views are so popular among conservatives that I don't think you can call it the Alt-Right anymore There is no moderate right. Literally more than half of US conservatives have exetreme views. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960399953] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Cpt_Pineapple posted... </cite> <quote>alt right Kevin Sorbo questions why California should pay slavery reperations.</quote>The thing is, these views are so popular among conservatives that I don't think you can call it the Alt-Right anymore There is no moderate right. Literally more than half of US conservatives have exetreme views. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:43:10 PM #162:	SierraDawn posted... But you're only helping select people. If you want to help everyone in poverty, I'm all for that. Bring on the global wage or whatever it's called. But raising only a certain group out of poverty, while leaving everyone else to wallow in the muck, would do a lot of damage. Helping everyone? Have you thought of the toll that would take on the taxpayer???!! --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960399961] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>But you're only helping select people. If you want to help everyone in poverty, I'm all for that. Bring on the global wage or whatever it's called. But raising only a certain group out of poverty, while leaving everyone else to wallow in the muck, would do a lot of damage.</quote>Helping everyone? Have you thought of the toll that would take on the taxpayer???!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:43:46 PM #163:	SierraDawn posted... Because that's what BLM is asking for. Like 27 million dollars per person. Why do you keep making shit up? Is it because you don't have an argument? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960399982] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Because that's what BLM is asking for. Like 27 million dollars per person. </quote>Why do you keep making shit up? Is it because you don't have an argument? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 2:44:04 PM #164:	ZMythos posted... I don't remember being asked. Yes, reparations will help fix the historical impact of slavery Oh, well in that case let's cut a check. Racism is now dead, good job everybody. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960399993] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>I don't remember being asked. Yes, reparations will help fix the historical impact of slavery</quote> Oh, well in that case let's cut a check. Racism is now dead, good job everybody. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 11/27/21 2:44:15 PM #165:	_HayleyWilliams posted... victims getting fair compensation from the government It's not "from the government," though. That's the feel-good go-between phrase that makes the whole argument weaker. To say that they're receiving money "from the government" is to actually say that they're receiving money from American taxpayers. The government literally reaches into one pocket to pay into another at no expense to their own operations. Rather than lower the funding on some of their vanity projects and personal pursuits, they instead raise taxes on everybody else to make up the difference in spending. I know it sounds like a big favor, and it sounds like there's no significant harm done when you label a payment as "from the government," but the truth is that the government barely makes any money on its own. It doesn't export a product. "The government" makes almost 100% of its money by taxing and charging fees against the general population. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:960399997] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>victims getting fair compensation from the government</quote>It's not "from the government," though. That's the feel-good go-between phrase that makes the whole argument weaker. To say that they're receiving money "from the government" is to actually say that they're receiving money from American taxpayers. The government literally reaches into one pocket to pay into another at no expense to their own operations. Rather than lower the funding on some of their vanity projects and personal pursuits, they instead raise taxes on everybody else to make up the difference in spending. I know it sounds like a big favor, and it sounds like there's no significant harm done when you label a payment as "from the government," but the truth is that the government barely makes any money on its own. It doesn't export a product. "The government" makes almost 100% of its money by taxing and charging fees against the general population. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 11/27/21 2:45:02 PM #166:	SierraDawn posted... If you think that handing out thousands, or millions, of dollars to every black person will do anything but breed hate, you're insane. We have all these prisons, might as well stuff some racist troublemakers in there. --- how does it feel to kick a tree we don't know because we're trees and we don't kick eachother <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:960400025] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>If you think that handing out thousands, or millions, of dollars to every black person will do anything but breed hate, you're insane.</quote>We have all these prisons, might as well stuff some racist troublemakers in there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:45:02 PM #167:	Solid Snake07 posted... Oh, well in that case let's cut a check. Racism is now dead, good job everybody. Taking the lead out of the water won't un-brain damage the children in Flint. Still needed to happen --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960400026] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh, well in that case let's cut a check. Racism is now dead, good job everybody.</quote>Taking the lead out of the water won't un-brain damage the children in Flint. Still needed to happen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 2:45:06 PM #168:	To the ones that are against check settlements, how about this. Restoration of the Voting Rights Act with universal coverage Exemption from payment of Federal Income Tax for 50 years Culturally Responsive Educational Pedagogy Universal Health Care Police decertification and registry (for cops that abuse their authority and try to find a job the next county over) Referendum on policing with civilian review Full funding for HBCUs 0 percent interest on home loans for black applicants Pell grants for felons Student loan debt cancellation and/or ability to cancel SL debt through bankruptcy filings Reforming cash bail system No more employment or housing discrimination for felons with or people on deferred felony probation for non-violent offenses --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960400030] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>To the ones that are against check settlements, how about this. Restoration of the Voting Rights Act with universal coverageExemption from payment of Federal Income Tax for 50 yearsCulturally Responsive Educational PedagogyUniversal Health CarePolice decertification and registry (for cops that abuse their authority and try to find a job the next county over)Referendum on policing with civilian reviewFull funding for HBCUs0 percent interest on home loans for black applicantsPell grants for felonsStudent loan debt cancellation and/or ability to cancel SL debt through bankruptcy filingsReforming cash bail systemNo more employment or housing discrimination for felons with or people on deferred felony probation for non-violent offenses </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:45:28 PM #169:	Solid Snake07 posted... Oh, well in that case let's cut a check. Racism is now dead, good job everybody. How fucking smug of you. As if slavery is the only form of racism America has ever done. I bet you feel fucking smart. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960400037] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh, well in that case let's cut a check. Racism is now dead, good job everybody.</quote>How fucking smug of you. As if slavery is the only form of racism America has ever done. I bet you feel fucking smart. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 2:45:32 PM #170:	It's a strawman anyway. Conflating reperations with "Taking a certain group out of povetry but leaving everyone else." or "If we take any action at all, it won't change the past or fix everything instantly so let's not bother trying" is just flat out dishonesty There's a reason why Sierra and Snake can't actually respond to any points or figures anyone raises. All they can do is repeat rhetoric and fallacies they heard someone shout loudly on Fox News or OAN. Then ignore everything else. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960400040] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>It's a strawman anyway. Conflating reperations with "Taking a certain group out of povetry but leaving everyone else." or "If we take any action at all, it won't change the past or fix everything instantly so let's not bother trying" is just flat out dishonesty There's a reason why Sierra and Snake can't actually respond to any points or figures anyone raises. All they can do is repeat rhetoric and fallacies they heard someone shout loudly on Fox News or OAN. Then ignore everything else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:47:10 PM #171:	UnfairRepresent posted... There's a reason why Sierra and Snake can't actually respond to any points or figures anyone raises. All they can do is repeat rhetoric and fallacies they heard someone shout loudly on Fox News or OAN. Then ignore everything else. I can think of another reason. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960400080] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> There's a reason why Sierra and Snake can't actually respond to any points or figures anyone raises. All they can do is repeat rhetoric and fallacies they heard someone shout loudly on Fox News or OAN. Then ignore everything else.</quote>I can think of another reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:47:35 PM #172:	Gobstoppers12 posted... It's not "from the government," though. That's the feel-good go-between phrase that makes the whole argument weaker. To say that they're receiving money "from the government" is to actually say that they're receiving money from American taxpayers. The government literally reaches into one pocket to pay into another at no expense to their own operations. Rather than lower the funding on some of their vanity projects and personal pursuits, they instead raise taxes on everybody else to make up the difference in spending. I know it sounds like a big favor, and it sounds like there's no significant harm done when you label a payment as "from the government," but the truth is that the government barely makes any money on its own. It doesn't export a product. "The government" makes almost 100% of its money by taxing and charging fees against the general population. Well of course they don't . The government is us. There shouldn't be a difference between the people and the government. That's exactly what causes so many problems in the world and so much bullshit political rhetoric. You seem to still be thinking I'm trying to take the heat off the government when I am literally advocating oversight and cutting out vanity and selfishness. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960400090] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not "from the government," though. That's the feel-good go-between phrase that makes the whole argument weaker. To say that they're receiving money "from the government" is to actually say that they're receiving money from American taxpayers. The government literally reaches into one pocket to pay into another at no expense to their own operations. Rather than lower the funding on some of their vanity projects and personal pursuits, they instead raise taxes on everybody else to make up the difference in spending. I know it sounds like a big favor, and it sounds like there's no significant harm done when you label a payment as "from the government," but the truth is that the government barely makes any money on its own. It doesn't export a product. "The government" makes almost 100% of its money by taxing and charging fees against the general population.</quote>Well of course they don't . The government is us. There shouldn't be a difference between the people and the government. That's exactly what causes so many problems in the world and so much bullshit political rhetoric. You seem to still be thinking I'm trying to take the heat off the government when I am literally advocating oversight and cutting out vanity and selfishness. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 2:47:55 PM #173:	ZMythos posted... Why do you keep making shit up? Is it because you don't have an argument? Oh, I'm sorry. It's actually 151M per person. My mistake. https://www.newsweek.com/reparations-slavery-cost-more-just-money-1518649 --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960400104] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you keep making shit up? Is it because you don't have an argument?</quote>Oh, I'm sorry. It's actually 151M per person. My mistake. https://www.newsweek.com/reparations-slavery-cost-more-just-money-1518649 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 2:48:48 PM #174:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Reparations for murder victims won't fix the historical impact of murder This argument you're sticking with that the existence of criminal and civil courts who rule on current crimes and civil disputes is contradictory to saying it's a farce to try to achieve justice for people who've all been dead for probably about 100 years now really isn't as powerful as you seem to think it is. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960400128] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Reparations for murder victims won't fix the historical impact of murder</quote> This argument you're sticking with that the existence of criminal and civil courts who rule on current crimes and civil disputes is contradictory to saying it's a farce to try to achieve justice for people who've all been dead for probably about 100 years now really isn't as powerful as you seem to think it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 11/27/21 2:49:01 PM #175:	BeantownHero posted... Why do opponents of reparations believe this is a good point? We don't settle financial disputes in the hope they'll address and heal past wrongdoings. We do it because victims, or their descendants, are OWED. Just because someone may or may not have been related to someone who was a slave 160 years ago doesn't mean they are entitled to money. Does the English government owe me money because they attempted genocide against the Irish 175 years ago? --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:960400140] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>Why do opponents of reparations believe this is a good point? We don't settle financial disputes in the hope they'll address and heal past wrongdoings. We do it because victims, or their descendants, are OWED.</quote> Just because someone may or may not have been related to someone who was a slave 160 years ago doesn't mean they are entitled to money. Does the English government owe me money because they attempted genocide against the Irish 175 years ago? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 2:50:43 PM #176:	ZMythos posted... How fucking smug of you. As if slavery is the only form of racism America has ever done. I bet you feel fucking smart. I'm not saying I'm smart, but I'm definitely saying what you said was very dumb. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960400181] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>How fucking smug of you. As if slavery is the only form of racism America has ever done. I bet you feel fucking smart.</quote> I'm not saying I'm smart, but I'm definitely saying what you said was very dumb. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:51:04 PM #177:	Gamerguymass posted... Just because someone may or may not have been related to someone who was a slave 160 years ago doesn't mean they are entitled to money. Does the English government owe me money because they attempted genocide against the Irish 175 years ago? Sure. Why would you be opposed to that? --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960400196] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Just because someone may or may not have been related to someone who was a slave 160 years ago doesn't mean they are entitled to money. Does the English government owe me money because they attempted genocide against the Irish 175 years ago?</quote>Sure. Why would you be opposed to that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 2:51:11 PM #178:	Hitchens made some great points 20 years ago: https://youtu.be/3MNu2GNx-kQ --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960400199] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Hitchens made some great points 20 years ago: https://youtu.be/3MNu2GNx-kQ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 2:51:33 PM #179:	Gamerguymass posted... Just because someone may or may not have been related to someone who was a slave 160 years ago doesn't mean they are entitled to money. Does the English government owe me money because they attempted genocide against the Irish 175 years ago? Did racial discrimination against black people stop after slavery? --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960400211] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Just because someone may or may not have been related to someone who was a slave 160 years ago doesn't mean they are entitled to money. Does the English government owe me money because they attempted genocide against the Irish 175 years ago?</quote> Did racial discrimination against black people stop after slavery? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 2:52:03 PM #180:	This is all just academic, anyways. There will never be reparations paid, at least not in the form of a check, because both parties know that doing so would be political suicide. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960400223] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>This is all just academic, anyways. There will never be reparations paid, at least not in the form of a check, because both parties know that doing so would be political suicide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:52:07 PM #181:	Solid Snake07 posted... This argument you're sticking with that the existence of criminal and civil courts who rule on current crimes and civil disputes is contradictory to saying it's a farce to try to achieve justice for people who've all been dead for probably about 100 years now really isn't as powerful as you seem to think it is. Their families are dead too? You actually think slavery stopped being relevant the moment Lee and Grant met at Appomattox. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960400227] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>This argument you're sticking with that the existence of criminal and civil courts who rule on current crimes and civil disputes is contradictory to saying it's a farce to try to achieve justice for people who've all been dead for probably about 100 years now really isn't as powerful as you seem to think it is.</quote>Their families are dead too? You actually think slavery stopped being relevant the moment Lee and Grant met at Appomattox. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 11/27/21 2:52:35 PM #182:	SierraDawn posted... This is all just academic, anyways. There will never be reparations paid, at least not in the form of a check, because both parties know that doing so would be political suicide. What a cowardly post, lmao --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 23 states <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:960400242] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>This is all just academic, anyways. There will never be reparations paid, at least not in the form of a check, because both parties know that doing so would be political suicide.</quote>What a cowardly post, lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:53:28 PM #183:	SierraDawn posted... Oh, I'm sorry. It's actually 151M per person. My mistake. https://www.newsweek.com/reparations-slavery-cost-more-just-money-1518649 So where does it say that BLM was asking for this amount? And also this article is simply quantifying the value of the labor and wages stolen from black slaves. It's not making a case for million dollar checks. So you just looked for a big number in the top 3 results of a google search and posted that here. Stop being bad at this and shut the fuck up. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960400275] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Oh, I'm sorry. It's actually 151M per person. My mistake. https://www.newsweek.com/reparations-slavery-cost-more-just-money-1518649</quote> So where does it say that BLM was asking for this amount? And also this article is simply quantifying the value of the labor and wages stolen from black slaves. It's not making a case for million dollar checks. So you just looked for a big number in the top 3 results of a google search and posted that here. Stop being bad at this and shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:53:51 PM #184:	SierraDawn posted... This is all just academic, anyways. There will never be reparations paid, at least not in the form of a check, because both parties know that doing so would be political suicide. Again, it truly is a damn shame that our politicians value their bullshit power over doing the right thing. We need to remove these bad actors from power positions in this country. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960400285] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>This is all just academic, anyways. There will never be reparations paid, at least not in the form of a check, because both parties know that doing so would be political suicide.</quote>Again, it truly is a damn shame that our politicians value their bullshit power over doing the right thing. We need to remove these bad actors from power positions in this country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:54:16 PM #185:	Solid Snake07 posted... I'm not saying I'm smart, but I'm definitely saying what you said was very dumb. Yea sure. Simplifying my argument into "gib money" sure made me look really fucking dumb. Got any other galaxy brained takes? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960400294] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not saying I'm smart, but I'm definitely saying what you said was very dumb.</quote>Yea sure. Simplifying my argument into "gib money" sure made me look really fucking dumb. Got any other galaxy brained takes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 11/27/21 2:56:05 PM #186:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Again, it truly is a damn shame that our politicians value their bullshit power over doing the right thing. We need to remove these bad actors from power positions in this country. Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy? --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:960400351] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Again, it truly is a damn shame that our politicians value their bullshit power over doing the right thing. We need to remove these bad actors from power positions in this country.</quote> Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 11/27/21 2:57:34 PM #187:	Taharqa_ posted... To the ones that are against check settlements, how about this. * Restoration of the Voting Rights Act with universal coverage * Exemption from payment of Federal Income Tax for 50 years * Culturally Responsive Educational Pedagogy * Universal Health Care * Police decertification and registry (for cops that abuse their authority and try to find a job the next county over) * Referendum on policing with civilian review * Full funding for HBCUs * 0 percent interest on home loans for black applicants * Pell grants for felons * Student loan debt cancellation and/or ability to cancel SL debt through bankruptcy filings * Reforming cash bail system * No more employment or housing discrimination for felons with or people on deferred felony probation for non-violent offenses I love how this post was ignored lol Seriously though, stop arguing with the trolls as though you'll say something to make them rethink their position or admit they're wrong. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960400399] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>To the ones that are against check settlements, how about this. * Restoration of the Voting Rights Act with universal coverage * Exemption from payment of Federal Income Tax for 50 years * Culturally Responsive Educational Pedagogy * Universal Health Care * Police decertification and registry (for cops that abuse their authority and try to find a job the next county over) * Referendum on policing with civilian review * Full funding for HBCUs * 0 percent interest on home loans for black applicants * Pell grants for felons * Student loan debt cancellation and/or ability to cancel SL debt through bankruptcy filings * Reforming cash bail system * No more employment or housing discrimination for felons with or people on deferred felony probation for non-violent offenses</quote>I love how this post was ignored lol Seriously though, stop arguing with the trolls as though you'll say something to make them rethink their position or admit they're wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 2:57:48 PM #188:	Gamerguymass posted... Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of white Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy? FIFY --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960400409] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of white Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy?</quote> FIFY </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 2:57:59 PM #189:	Gamerguymass posted... Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy? God you're fucking dishonest. First you're conflating "the right thing" with what "the vast majority" wants (hint, even if it is a majority, you're vastly overestimating how vast it is). Then you're arguing that it's anti-democratic when we're literally talking about addressing centuries of injustice. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960400410] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy?</quote>God you're fucking dishonest. First you're conflating "the right thing" with what "the vast majority" wants (hint, even if it is a majority, you're vastly overestimating how vast it is). Then you're arguing that it's anti-democratic when we're literally talking about addressing centuries of injustice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 11/27/21 2:58:41 PM #190:	Taharqa_ posted... To the ones that are against check settlements, how about this. lol no thank you to any of those Edit: Well, this one is a good idea: "Police decertification and registry (for cops that abuse their authority and try to find a job the next county over)" I'd take that one, definitely. Edit 2: Oh, and this one if it applies to everybody and not just one group: "Exemption from payment of Federal Income Tax for 50 years" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:960400429] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>To the ones that are against check settlements, how about this.</quote>lol no thank you to any of those Edit: Well, this one is a good idea: "Police decertification and registry (for cops that abuse their authority and try to find a job the next county over)" I'd take that one, definitely. Edit 2: Oh, and this one if it applies to everybody and not just one group: "Exemption from payment of Federal Income Tax for 50 years" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:59:15 PM #191:	Gamerguymass posted... Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy? I didn't realize there had been a vote. Or that most people are not fucking stupid. The vast majority of Americans also supported dehumanizing the LGBT community until very recently. Does that mean it was right? --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960400447] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Except it's not the right thing. The vast majority of Americans are against this. Why do you hate democracy?</quote>I didn't realize there had been a vote. Or that most people are not fucking stupid. The vast majority of Americans also supported dehumanizing the LGBT community until very recently. Does that mean it was right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 3:00:36 PM #192:	lolife67 posted... I love how this post was ignored lol Seriously though, stop arguing with the trolls as though you'll say something to make them rethink their position or admit they're wrong. They are the moderates that MLK warned about, more interested in a type of negative peace. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960400483] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite> <quote>I love how this post was ignored lol Seriously though, stop arguing with the trolls as though you'll say something to make them rethink their position or admit they're wrong.</quote> They are the moderates that MLK warned about, more interested in a type of negative peace. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 11/27/21 3:27:16 PM #193:	people aren't even trying to say that it's for slavery anymore. it's for "discrimination" which is not close to being enslaved. nobody alive has been directly impacted by 19th century slavery --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:960401238] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>people aren't even trying to say that it's for slavery anymore. it's for "discrimination" which is not close to being enslaved. nobody alive has been directly impacted by 19th century slavery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 3:31:04 PM #194:	ledbowman posted... people aren't even trying to say that it's for slavery anymore. it's for "discrimination" which is not close to being enslaved. nobody alive has been directly impacted by 19th century slavery Slavery didn't really end after emancipation, it just morphed. Southern lawmakers made up ridiculous laws that only black people could be arrested for, and then leased convicts to white businessmen. These institutions did not exist in a vacuum, the effects are generational. Y'all need to read a history book. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960401355] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>people aren't even trying to say that it's for slavery anymore. it's for "discrimination" which is not close to being enslaved. nobody alive has been directly impacted by 19th century slavery</quote> Slavery didn't really end after emancipation, it just morphed. Southern lawmakers made up ridiculous laws that only black people could be arrested for, and then leased convicts to white businessmen. These institutions did not exist in a vacuum, the effects are generational. Y'all need to read a history book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 11/27/21 3:43:34 PM #195:	Taharqa_ posted... Slavery didn't really end after emancipation, it just morphed. Southern lawmakers made up ridiculous laws that only black people could be arrested for, and then leased convicts to white businessmen. These institutions did not exist in a vacuum, the effects are generational. Y'all need to read a history book. heard you the first time. it's still horse shit to try to spin that as slavery. you would probably try to say black people are still enslaved today if some grifter told you how --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:960401718] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>Slavery didn't really end after emancipation, it just morphed. Southern lawmakers made up ridiculous laws that only black people could be arrested for, and then leased convicts to white businessmen. These institutions did not exist in a vacuum, the effects are generational. Y'all need to read a history book.</quote>heard you the first time. it's still horse shit to try to spin that as slavery. you would probably try to say black people are still enslaved today if some grifter told you how </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 3:45:32 PM #196:	ledbowman posted... people aren't even trying to say that it's for slavery anymore. it's for "discrimination" which is not close to being enslaved. nobody alive has been directly impacted by 19th century slavery Yea black people are just poor. No real fucking reason for it. God you're not even trying. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960401766] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>people aren't even trying to say that it's for slavery anymore. it's for "discrimination" which is not close to being enslaved. nobody alive has been directly impacted by 19th century slavery</quote>Yea black people are just poor. No real fucking reason for it. God you're not even trying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 3:47:08 PM #197:	ledbowman posted... heard you the first time. it's still horse shit to try to spin that as slavery. What's horse shit is your intentional obtuseness. you would probably try to say black people are still enslaved today if some grifter told you how Strawman alert, shut the hell up. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960401800] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>heard you the first time. it's still horse shit to try to spin that as slavery. </quote> What's horse shit is your intentional obtuseness. <quote>you would probably try to say black people are still enslaved today if some grifter told you how</quote> Strawman alert, shut the hell up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 3:50:21 PM #198:	ledbowman posted... heard you the first time. it's still horse shit to try to spin that as slavery. you would probably try to say black people are still enslaved today if some grifter told you how Not solely black people but the US prison system as it stands is pretty close. Set up a system to intentionally inprison Black and Hispanic young men. Make them work for a fraction of Min wage. Demand the state ensures 90+ capacity for maximum profit Have lawyers who build repuations on winning cases Have Elected officials who are funded by the people who profit and promote it as "Tough on Crime." Nixon literally started the war on drugs and increased criminalization of weed and heroine to give officials the ability to inprison blacks, hispanics and hippies who opposed his government. But you probably support that system. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960401885] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>heard you the first time. it's still horse shit to try to spin that as slavery. you would probably try to say black people are still enslaved today if some grifter told you how</quote>Not solely black people but the US prison system as it stands is pretty close. Set up a system to intentionally inprison Black and Hispanic young men. Make them work for a fraction of Min wage. Demand the state ensures 90+ capacity for maximum profit Have lawyers who build repuations on winning cases Have Elected officials who are funded by the people who profit and promote it as "Tough on Crime." Nixon literally started the war on drugs and increased criminalization of weed and heroine to give officials the ability to inprison blacks, hispanics and hippies who opposed his government. But you probably support that system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 11/27/21 3:52:17 PM #199:	ZMythos posted... Yea black people are just poor. No real fucking reason for it. God you're not even trying. poverty is not a black thing. there are wealthy black people and plenty of poor white people --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:960401934] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Yea black people are just poor. No real fucking reason for it. God you're not even trying.</quote>poverty is not a black thing. there are wealthy black people and plenty of poor white people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 3:53:05 PM #200:	ledbowman posted... poverty is not a black thing. there are wealthy black people and plenty of poor white people More strawmen No one denied this or said anything different, --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960401954] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>poverty is not a black thing. there are wealthy black people and plenty of poor white people</quote>More strawmen No one denied this or said anything different, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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