Current Events > Would you do something if you saw people robbing stores at the mall?

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Mall security or store security never does anything to them for whatever reason

Why hire them if all they do is stand there and watch them steal?

Saw people here in San Francisco steal from Niketown yet the guard or any of the store workers did nothing. Could have at least try to block their view from the door and/or restrain them

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If you can't beat them, Join them.

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No. Its not my stuff and they likely have loss prevention/insurance to cover theft.

Just not a good idea. I couldnt care less about these corporations money.

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MrDrMan posted...

No. Its not my stuff and they likely have loss prevention/insurance to cover theft.

Just not a good idea. I couldnt care less about these corporations money.

this, i have no misgivings with people who steal from corporations tbh

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Probably not, whatever they're stealing is insured and all that'll happen is it'll make a shitty situation into a tragedy

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I used to work in a grocery store. Once a bunch of teens did a beer run and one of our managers chased them. One of the thieves smacked him in the head with a 40oz and bloodied him real good. Yeah screw confronting thieves its not worth risking and injury.

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I have zero reason to care.

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I missed the part where that's my problem

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Ving_Rhames posted...

I have zero reason to care.

DarthAragorn posted...

I missed the part where that's my problem

Heard of doing the right thing? It should be enough of an incentive

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Lmao why the fuck should minimum wage retail employees be expected to risk their physical safety for the property of a rich corporation

DarthAragorn posted...

I missed the part where that's my problem

And this

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Nobody wants to risk bodily harm to protect our corporate overlords anymore.

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I'd cheer em on

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I don't want to get hurt, I'm staying out of it.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Mall security or store security never does anything to them for whatever reason

I don't know the exact rules, but they're very limited in apprehending someone.

When I was at Macy's, I heard one guy from the loss prevention got dropped for just crossing the imaginary store limit right outside the door chasing someone. Another guy got smacked in the face because really all he's got is his hands.

From what I made out, loss prevention and mall security really exists just to...call the cops or hope the suspect is nave enough to fold.

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probably not, maybe even join them if i'm in the right aisle

oh and help the people they injured, that'll make me feel less guilty

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Even ignoring the fact that San Francisco basically decriminalized thefts under $950, it's usually not a good idea to confront groups of thieves.

So no, I wouldn't do anything beyond reporting it to police.


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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Heard of doing the right thing? It should be enough of an incentive

I think the right thing in this situation is not turning a bad situation into a tragedy where either myself or an innocent bystander gets shot or beat.

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https://twitter.com/NoBonzo/status/1462983626522386437?t=BFPhGBDEKU3jrgu6U3yIxw&s=19

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lmao "do the right thing to protect the bottom line of your corporate overlords you don't even work for"

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Heard of doing the right thing? It should be enough of an incentive

What's "the right thing"? lmao

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As a security guard, if somebody robs my location, I'm not supposed to stop them. My job is to call the police and write a report on it. We're not police officers.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Heard of doing the right thing? It should be enough of an incentive

Lol thats dumb Im not risking my life for that shit , fuck the store.

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Kinda. Tech stores have a lot of people come in trying to scam cash out of the register with fake credit cards. Extremely easy to recognize. I wasn't paid for it, but I was always called over to deal with them.

but aside from that, i don't care unless it turns violent.

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Why would I care about a store

Like a smash and grab mob?

Id just watch and stay away tbh. Wouldnt join in, but wouldnt put myself on the line against a mob.
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Besides leave? Hell no. Not my problem.

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No, and you would be stupid to. I think even most corporations even tell their employees not to do anything regarding theft, it's not worth risking your life to save a product or some money. Best case scenario, their faces are clearly on camera, and the authorities can handle it. Worst case, corporation sucks up the small loss.

People like TC remind me of the 3 men who just got convicted for murdering Ahmoud Arbery

TC is rhe type that would see a stranger robbing from a store and think "oh boy! I get to be a hero today!"

A year later: we the jury find the TC guilty

Worked in a grocery store a few years ago, when a couple guys literally took an entire shopping cart of meat out through the secondary door and no one stopped them. Grocery Store security don't get paid enough to deal with that, and to be honest, it isn't really the job of security in the first place.

People have this misunderstanding that Securities job is to chase after criminals, it isn't. It's to prevent it from happening in the first place through detection and deterrence. Once it happens, then its the job of the police to deal with. The reason is that security guards are bound by the same laws as normal civilians. So if they apprehend someone they can get into a whole lot of legal issues, despite them being security guards.

I know this, as I was a security guard for 8 years. There are different rules regarding armed security that I can't speak of, as I was never one. But unarmed security are there for property deterrence and protection. If anyone breaks in, we call the cops. We aren't allowed to carry weapons as "it can be used against us". Stupid, I know... but I wasn't going to argue against it, especially considering I was getting paid 12/h during the time when min. wage was something like 9.75.

Stores have insurance for that very reason. Anything that is stolen they can claim on loss insurance and get that back fairly quickly.

Nah I'm not trying to get murdered
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Heard of doing the right thing? It should be enough of an incentive

Yeah I'm not risking my physical well being for a store's insured merchandise.

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As a civilian? Nothing.

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I wouldn't care.

Stealing from people is wrong but corporations can get fucked.
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Lol, fuck no.

Not about to get stabbed or pepper sprayed.

I was always told that if I suspected someone of shoplifting, I should follow them around the store without approaching them, so that there would be three avenues for evidence during prosecution; security footage, missing stock, and eyewitness testimony.

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You can just bring a rifle and get in their way and when they charge you you can shoot them and get a medal.

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i'd leave the mall

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Ivany2008 posted...

Worked in a grocery store a few years ago, when a couple guys literally took an entire shopping cart of meat out through the secondary door and no one stopped them. Grocery Store security don't get paid enough to deal with that, and to be honest, it isn't really the job of security in the first place.

People have this misunderstanding that Securities job is to chase after criminals, it isn't. It's to prevent it from happening in the first place through detection and deterrence. Once it happens, then its the job of the police to deal with. The reason is that security guards are bound by the same laws as normal civilians. So if they apprehend someone they can get into a whole lot of legal issues, despite them being security guards.

This is true. I didn't realize all of that until I tried to work security for sporting events. They put a lot of emphasis on the fact that we were not allowed to touch people, period. If a fight breaks out, we report it, but otherwise do nothing. Not at all what I expected security would be like lol.

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I work at Costco and we have a 'no chase' policy which seems kind of weak, but i guess in the end it isnt worth our safety.

My sister used to work at a western wear store and had the same policy there but the boss was like, 'say hi to them and that will be the biggest deterrent to them stealing'

And im like uhhhhh......what?

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Thats stealing. Robbery is different.

If I saw a robbery, I'm probably gonna call the fuzz. If I'm in line and someone is attempting an armed robbery, they might be in for a bad day. You don't hurt people. It's 2021.

NoxObscuras posted...

This is true. I didn't realize all of that until I tried to work security for sporting events. They put a lot of emphasis on the fact that we were not allowed to touch people, period. If a fight breaks out, we report it, but otherwise do nothing. Not at all what I expected security would be like lol.

Even if you're 100% in the right defending somebody or pulling somebody off of something, it opens up your employer to all sorts of lawsuits, frivolous or legitimate.

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I'd mind my business.

Stores themselves limit which employees are allowed to confront shoplifters and under which circumstances. None of those policies entail a civilian posse.

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I would mind my own business too....

But if there were Legos, that's something I have the snatch lol.

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no. i don't want to get shanked or hit by a crowbar

I'm not risking my life to save a couple dollars from a billionaire corporation that probably pays it's employees shit to begin with

If theyre running or walking towards me Id step my foot out to trip them. Maybe a little bodycheck if a trip wasnt going to work.

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Defend from any violent looters. Take mental notes of looters causing violence or damage as I'm leaving.

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Ryven posted...

I work at Costco and we have a 'no chase' policy which seems kind of weak, but i guess in the end it isnt worth our safety.

My sister used to work at a western wear store and had the same policy there but the boss was like, 'say hi to them and that will be the biggest deterrent to them stealing'

And im like uhhhhh......what?

Yeah, the idea is you say hi and acknowledge people, so any potential thief knows the employees see you, have eyes on you, can describe you, etc.

It wont stop an organized group, but the idea is that it may dissuade a single person. When I started my job at a bank, the rule was that whenever someone entered you looked them in the eye and said hello, even if you had to take a second to glance away from your current customer.

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