Current Events > I believe not sending a delegation to the Beijing Olympics is a mistake.

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Biden admin needs to be making inroads and communicating more with the Chinese, not cutting off ties or isolating. Even though they've been rattling that saber too hard over Taiwan airspace, I still think the goal should be cooperation over fixing the climate with more innovative products & services and renewable energy tech.

Idk, what do you guys think? I think the entire world knows that American military might is unchallenged for the foreseeable future. And India and Japan are part of the QUAD, so it's impossible for China and Russia to win even if they teamed up with each other. That'll never happen though since fundamentally they don't trust each other.

The Arabic world won't care for Chinese global dominion anytime soon due to Xinjiang and loss of trust over that. So they're already siding with the USA and Europe thanks to OPEC. Saudi Arabia for example knows that a dollar earned with America is actually a dollar earned, whereas in the case of the Chinese Yuan or the Russian Ruble...zero confidence in global stability that way because you don't even know if your tea is going to get poisoned or if you're going to get interned in a reeducation camp.

So with overwhelming support and military and economic might, we might as well be making progress with more communication and more delegations rather than less. Interested in other thoughts.

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I dont feel like I have a strong enough understanding of the forces affecting the diplomatic calculus on this. For one thing, is it even primarily intended as an attack against China or is it a domestic appeasement of us voters or is it a token show of solidarity with taiwan

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Doe posted...

I dont feel like I have a strong enough understanding of the forces affecting the diplomatic calculus on this. For one thing, is it even primarily intended as an attack against China or is it a domestic appeasement of us voters or is it a token show of solidarity with taiwan

I don't think it's solidarity. Majority of Americans do not want any conflict and certainly no war. They just want more products and more services and more innovation.

Hence the economic boom.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-chart-from-gundlach-shows-just-how-hot-the-u-s-economy-is-running-11638957979

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Doe posted...

I dont feel like I have a strong enough understanding of the forces affecting the diplomatic calculus on this

Pretty much where I'm at. I don't really understand enough about the complexities of international relations and trade to really know.

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It is complex indeed. I was taken aback though, when the other day I saw a thread here where multiple active users were celebrating it as if it's the obvious action to take.

It makes no sense to treat it that way, when it's complex indeed and I can see legitimate reasons to still send a delegation to Beijing. We may yet still rally the heart of the Chinese population to the American way rather than fascism.

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I wish the entire world boycotted the Olympics. Don't even send athletes. Imagine if the Olympics was just the Chinese by themselves. They would be so ashamed

Zikten posted...

I wish the entire world boycotted the Olympics. Don't even send athletes. Imagine if the Olympics was just the Chinese by themselves. They would be so ashamed

these things are not a game because there are weapons involved. We need to interact with other nations in a way that is conducive to continued peace and growth across the board. Imo these types of hardline stances may seem morally justified but if the practical effect is destruction and conflict, its ineffective

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Your saying if every nation on earth decided to boycott the Olympics, China would nuke everyone?

Moreso that I dont want to find out and that political differences have in the past lead humanity to that scale of war before. Its not been that long since WW2 and fascist tendencies are still out there. Its better to navigate in a way that fosters cooperation for common goals like the climate and trade export and import deals, rather than to give them a slap on the wrist if it just encourages more Strongman talk from the CCP heads.

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Sjw Biden ain't even a commie? Something's not adding up sorry

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pure_temper posted...

I think the entire world knows that American military might is unchallenged for the foreseeable future.

Between the US being geared to fight a war against a much weaker nation and operating under the presumption of not having to fight for air superiority, and the indisputable fact that China is rapidly modernizing their forces, this is not an accurate statement. The Chinese aren't afraid of us, and their saber rattling says it.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Between the US being geared to fight a war against a much weaker nation and operating under the presumption of not having to fight for air superiority, and the indisputable fact that China is rapidly modernizing their forces, this is not an accurate statement. The Chinese aren't afraid of us, and their saber rattling says it.

Appear strong when you are weak. - Sun Tzu

The Tiger is all bark and no bite yet. If they wanted to do something and could do something they would have done it a year ago. Too late now with Taiwan and Ukraine modernizing too, and our giant infusion of defense spending. American warship production is ramping up too.

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Zikten posted...

I wish the entire world boycotted the Olympics. Don't even send athletes. Imagine if the Olympics was just the Chinese by themselves. They would be so ashamed

The olympics just need to end. It's just a huge expense for a brief moment of international dick-measuring.

Questionmarktarius posted...

The olympics just need to end. It's just a huge expense for a brief moment of international dick-measuring.

Terrible take because it's one of the few ways we have international multi-national comraderie and unity.

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china rubbing our noses in it:
they got pissed by saying US killed native americans when US decided not to send people.
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kingdrake2 posted...

china rubbing our noses in it:
they got pissed by saying US killed native americans when US decided not to send people.

??? idgi

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https://news.yahoo.com/chinese-government-spokesperson-said-us-034456525.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Zhao denounced the US for committing "evil crimes" against Native Americans and said that the boycott "gravely violates" the political neutrality for which the Olympic Games are known.

china got dirt on everyone.
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They (their government) already hates UK/US/Canada and whoever else is refusing to send diplomats, so what does this really change?

Its more for the countries own people, than anyone else.
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kingdrake2 posted...

Zhao denounced the US for committing "evil crimes" against Native Americans and said that the boycott "gravely violates" the political neutrality for which the Olympic Games are known.

Yet the opening ceremony will be two hours of "look at how fucking great China is!!"
Every time, in every country, way back to Hitler if not before.

China can lick my asshole

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pure_temper posted...

Terrible take because it's one of the few ways we have international multi-national comraderie and unity.

Multi-national corruption, more like. The IOC is famously receptive to bribery.

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pure_temper posted...

our giant infusion of defense spending.

Again, that money is being spent on fighting a war like Iraq, not fighting an equal footing war.

pure_temper posted...

American warship production is ramping up too.

As China's, and has been. Acting like Anerica is undefeatable just because it hasn't happened yet is a bad idea.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Acting like Anerica is undefeatable just because it hasn't happened yet

Very interesting way of looking at American military adventures post-WWII

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No one cares about the Winter Olympics anyways

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TC's overwhelming feeling of American superiority kinda jives with the whole call for global unity.


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In any other month that doesnt feature the Olympics, sending a diplomat over to talk about that particular situation wouldve been seen as prudent and wise songesture theyre committing to wouldve been more effective if they had PRd a diplomat first just for show.

Something tells me they already tried talking to them though >_>

...at least after considering that this is the laziest gesture of solidarity there can be


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https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/debate-over-boycotting-2022-beijing-olympics

At least the olympic team gets to go.

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CobraGT posted...

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/debate-over-boycotting-2022-beijing-olympics

At least the olympic team gets to go.

Yeah, that's good at least. Maybe some friendly competition between the players themselves is all we really need to deepen ties. Get that Olympics Village going lol

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Ysmir posted...

Very interesting way of looking at American military adventures post-WWII

Speaking of a war against equal powers, we haven't lost. Vietnam and Afghanistan not withstanding. And really, by military power we didn't lose in Vietnam, public opinion turned against the war.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Speaking of a war against equal powers, we haven't lost. Vietnam and Afghanistan not withstanding. And really, by military power we didn't lose in Vietnam, public opinion turned against the war.

Yeah, those were attempts to invest and keep the peace. In Afghanistan's case, it was up to the Afghanistan army and people to take the reigns after so long. In a conventional war where it's about destruction or an Allied vs Axis type of situation, American military will not lose based on what the latest reports say. Especially since the QUAD and NATO are things.

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Actually if it proves anything America sucks at occupying countries and training up other armies.

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No, it proves that it's a difficult thing to do for any nation and takes immense resources and time.

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Anyone in Europe wanna chime in?

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