Current Events > Why get vaccinated if you still can get/transmit the disease? Here's why.

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60% Vaccination rate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/0/AAeEwGAACtBm.jpg
70% Vaccination rate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/1/AAeEwGAACtBn.jpg
80% vaccination rate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/2/AAeEwGAACtBo.jpg
99% vaccination rate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/3/AAeEwGAACtBp.jpg

60% vaccination rate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/6/AAeEwGAACtBs.jpg
80% vaccination rate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/7/AAeEwGAACtBt.jpg

'but muh freedom'

Gibraltar has no freedom! Free Gibraltar!

I dont disagree with you but these graphs are not normalized by population

Though given the population differences in Florida and Vermont, the graph might be better if it was a 'deaths per thousand' or something, but there is still a vast difference in deaths between the two states. >_>

Error1355 posted...

Though given the population differences in Florida and Vermont, the graph might be better if it was a 'deaths per thousand' or something, but there is still a vast difference in deaths between the two states. >_>

That's correct, although I figured showing that Vermont's mortality being in single digits was enough

Deaths per day in Sweden.
85.2% for 1 dose, 80.9% for 2 doses and 23.2% for 3 doses. This is everyone born in 2009 and earlier.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/1/AANvmLAACtBx.jpg

But the vaccines weren't even available until halfway through the time period on the graphs. Some of those places had larger peaks after vaccines rolled out. Don't get me wrong, everyone should get vaccinated and boosted and antivaxxers are a blight on the planet, but do these graphs actually help?

This shows that Florida got worse this summer when more where vaccinated than last summer when nobody was vaccinated.

TheGoldenEel posted...

I dont disagree with you but these graphs are not normalized by population

USA: 2,400 deaths per 1M
UK: 2,000 deaths per 1M (these includes pre-vax though)
Florida: 2,900 deaths per 1M
Vermont: 960 deaths per 1M

Hambo the Hog posted...

do these graphs actually help?

not really :(.

BilalPowell posted...

This shows that Florida got worse this summer when more where vaccinated than last summer when nobody was vaccinated.

https://www.flgov.com/2021/07/30/governor-desantis-issues-an-executive-order-ensuring-parents-freedom-to-choose/

Because of shit like this

BilalPowell posted...

This shows that Florida got worse this summer when more where vaccinated than last summer when nobody was vaccinated.

Wasn't Delta more deadly than 'original flavor' covid to the unvaccinated?

DarkRoast posted...

USA: 2,400 deaths per 1M
UK: 2,000 deaths per 1M (these includes pre-vax though)
Florida: 2,900 deaths per 1M
Vermont: 960 deaths per 1M

All of these numbers include pre-vax tbh

to make this data interesting youd have to present the charts as deaths per 1M over time

if I was an anti-vaxxer (Im not) this topic is doing a poor job of changing my mind

BilalPowell posted...

This shows that Florida got worse this summer when more where vaccinated than last summer when nobody was vaccinated.

I'm not sure on the time frame so someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the deaths spike when they removed all prevention measures, so this shows that masks and distancing actually worked.

Also, the difference in case fatality before and after vaccination in countries with different vaccination rates:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/4/AAeEwGAACtB0.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/0/AAeEwGAACtBm.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/5/AAeEwGAACtB1.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/1/AAeEwGAACtBn.jpg

https://twitter.com/maolesen/status/1471188829302317056

TheGoldenEel posted...

I dont disagree with you but these graphs are not normalized by population

This. I'm 100% pro vaccination but these graphs are mostly meaningless. A place like Vermont with small, isolated populations is going to have far fewer deaths than a large, dense state like Florida regardless of anything.

In the same vein, smaller, more unified/homogenous nations like Japan are more likely to follow precautions and have less infections/deaths.

If anything, these better demonstrate how cultural attitudes reflect on deaths, more than vaccination rates.

LostForest posted...

This. I'm 100% pro vaccination but these graphs are mostly meaningless. A place like Vermont with small, isolated populations is going to have far fewer deaths than a large, dense state like Florida regardless of anything.

In the same vein, smaller, more unified/homogenous nations like Japan are more likely to follow precautions and have less infections/deaths.

If anything, these better demonstrate how cultural attitudes reflect on deaths, more than vaccination rates.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/6/AAeEwGAACtB2.jpg
Adjusted for population actually looks worse

DarkRoast posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/6/AAeEwGAACtB2.jpg
Adjusted for population actually looks worse

Ok but New York has 3000 deaths per 1M and they are at 80%

Maybe syrup is the cure since Vermont is good?

TheGoldenEel posted...

Ok but New York has 3000 deaths per 1M and they are at 80%

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/2/AAeEwGAACtB8.jpg

And nearly all happened before the vaccine rolled out

DarkRoast posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/2/AAeEwGAACtB8.jpg

And nearly all happened before the vaccine rolled out

This is why your graphs need to be normalized by population and not just copy pasted from worldometers to have any meaning

BilalPowell posted...

Maybe syrup is the cure since Vermont is good?

no. there's probably very few trumpists or Qanists that choose to not get vaccinated or lessen the risk of getting infected in the first place ie mask wearing and handwashing.

Is this really an issue floating out there on the regular? It seems obvious a vaccine wouldnt make you more likely to be seriously ill from the disease.

CapnMuffin posted...

Is this really an issue floating out there on the regular? It seems obvious a vaccine wouldnt make you more likely to be seriously ill from the disease.

This was a theory literally espoused on Tucker Carlson

DarkRoast posted...

Tucker Carlson

fuck Tucker Carlson, same with all those conspirators.

CapnMuffin posted...

Is this really an issue floating out there on the regular? It seems obvious a vaccine wouldnt make you more likely to be seriously ill from the disease.

I dunno about the "more likely to be seriously ill" claim, but one I've seen going around is that "vaccination makes you more likely to spread it once a lot of people are vaccinated", and this one I actually see how those behind the misinformation twisted the facts to arrive at that.

Basically, comes down to them finding lines in scientific communications like "at [80% or 90%] vaccination rate, more transmission will come from vaccinated people than unvaccinated people". To someone who doesn't think very far into it themselves - and keep in mind that the people they con don't tend to do much thinking - you can see how this would lead to them getting the wrong impression. What the misinformation-pushers will never point out is that this means it takes 4 or 9 (depending on whether the figure's 80% or 90%) vaccinated people, to cause the same level of transmission as just a single unvaccinated person, and therefore contrary to what they try to say it means, it's actually very good evidence that the vaccine does work - and if it didn't, the scales would tip at 50%, not 80% or 90%.

DarkRoast posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/6/AAeEwGAACtB2.jpg
Adjusted for population actually looks worse

See now that looks much better!