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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 3:06:15 PM
#51:


Duncanwii posted...
Ok. I can see how the idea that you're going to disappear and become nothing for something completely outside their control might piss some people off.

But that's just what death is, isn't it?
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sutree
01/01/22 3:07:57 PM
#52:


Duncanwii posted...
Ok. I can see how the idea that you're going to disappear and become nothing for something completely outside their control might piss some people off.
No wonder atheists are so mad

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Duncanwii
01/01/22 3:08:32 PM
#53:


OrangeWizard posted...


But that's just what death is, isn't it?

Does your religion have an afterlife or not? Because you cannot justify what you're saying with "death is death" if you're excluding people for things they have no control over. Its cruel.

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Zeeak4444
01/01/22 3:08:54 PM
#54:


OrangeWizard posted...
The bible says that blood is sacred and belongs to God ( Genesis 9:3,4; Leviticus 17:11), and therefore, it should be be discarded, not used by humans. It would be a sin to eat, use, or otherwise put someone else's blood into our bodies.

So we don't eat blood pudding, and we reject blood transfusions for this reason. We would consider it a sin.

Whether or not one is "denied heaven" for this is not up to us, and thus, not a question we can answer.

If you would be worried that God would somehow make you less happy by making you "perfect" according to his definition, I don't think you have to worry about that. God is knows everything and has the power to do everything, which includes making you as happy as possible.

someone should explain what a mosquito does to you guys.

you likely all failed. Seems like a cruel joke from your god to set that up tbh.

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AceMos
01/01/22 3:09:11 PM
#55:


orange your religion says im damned to nothingness because im attracted to other woman

sexuality is not a choice

and just a FYI i do believe in god just the god i believe in is about love and acceptance

while your supports ppl covering up pedophiles

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Bandit_Keith
01/01/22 3:09:59 PM
#56:


I know you're trying to be chill and answer questions, but Duncan is a troll with nothing better to do. He is immune to logic and facts.

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Prestoff
01/01/22 3:10:01 PM
#57:


As an atheist myself, you guys are really coming off as assholes. I guess the angry atheist stereotype still is relevant.

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hockeybub89
01/01/22 3:13:06 PM
#58:


sutree posted...
This topic backfired if you're trying to make JWs look bad.

OrangeWizard is coming off as a chill dude and the people responding to him sound like seething fedorabeards
Don't know how anyone calling blood transfusions a sin can ever look good.

Valuing tone more than content is exactly what these scams want you to do. It's how they recruit. It's redpilling.

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 3:15:09 PM
#59:


Duncanwii posted...
Does your religion have an afterlife or not? Because you cannot justify what you're saying with "death is death" if you're excluding people for things they have no control over. Its cruel.

What do you mean by "things they have no control over"? Are you assuming that "everyone that isn't a Jehovah's Witness will be destroyed forever"? We don't believe that will be the case.

Acts 24:15 "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous"

God will judge fairly. Those who are destroyed will deserve it. Those who aren't, won't.
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ModLogic
01/01/22 3:15:37 PM
#60:


AceMos posted...
orange your religion says im damned to nothingness because im attracted to other woman
falun gong is even worse if you can believe it

most religions are backwards.

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Derwood
01/01/22 3:17:53 PM
#61:


Imagine quoting the Book of Revelation as anything other than a schizophrenic's fever dream
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Duncanwii
01/01/22 3:18:38 PM
#62:


OrangeWizard posted...
What do you mean by "things they have no control over"?

Homosexuality is not a choice. You can stop being gay as much as you can make yourself be gay. It isnt possible. By punishing those who are gay for being that way you are punishing an innocent for something completely outside their abilities to control. Its wrong.

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 3:20:29 PM
#63:


Duncanwii posted...
Homosexuality is not a choice. You can stop being gay as much as you can make yourself be gay. It isnt possible. By punishing those who are gay for being that way you are punishing an innocent for something completely outside their abilities to control. Its wrong.

AceMos posted...
orange your religion says im damned to nothingness because im attracted to other woman

sexuality is not a choice

Like I said earlier in post #42:

The bible I read actually says that the act of intercourse between a man and another man is the thing that is the sin, not simply "being gay".

If someone who is gay also wanted to live by bible's standards, they would need to abstain from sex or relationships.

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AceMos
01/01/22 3:21:47 PM
#64:


so yes you are saying im damned for being born different

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Duncanwii
01/01/22 3:22:37 PM
#65:


OrangeWizard posted...


Like I said earlier in post #42:


"If you were born the way we think is wrong just be celibate your entire life or risk being tortured/disappearing forever."

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Derwood
01/01/22 3:22:38 PM
#66:


OrangeWizard posted...
Like I said earlier in post #42:

Your bible sucks
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Heineken14
01/01/22 3:27:13 PM
#67:


mybbqrules posted...
Lol, orangewizard posted in this topic? He must have blocked me.

I guess the best way to prove you're not a butthurt trumper is to block the person calling you out for being a butthurt trumper.


Yeah, he blocked me when I was calling out some dumb conspiracy theorist garbage he was spouting on 261.

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DarkBuster22904
01/01/22 3:27:46 PM
#68:


I take great exception to their information control garbage.

Their notorious "stay alive till 75" campaign is well known and documented, yet they will all pretend like it never happened. The Watchtower Society has branded it all "Apostate Material." Despite the fact that it all came from the governing body, most if not all of whom are still there.

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 3:28:09 PM
#69:


If anyone has any more questions, I'm here, and I'd be happy to answer them here or on the religion board.

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sutree
01/01/22 3:30:01 PM
#70:


OrangeWizard posted...
If anyone has any more questions, I'm here, and I'd be happy to answer them here or on the religion board.
Do JWs have any particular beliefs about vaccines?

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Duncanwii
01/01/22 3:30:19 PM
#71:


OrangeWizard posted...
If anyone has any more questions, I'm here, and I'd be happy to answer them here or on the religion board.


Yeah I have a question. Why do you support a monster who intentionally creates people different so that they are doomed to go to hell? Doesnt that at all bother you?

And that applies to all Christians as well.

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NoxObscuras
01/01/22 3:31:03 PM
#72:


ITT: The "awful" Jehova's Witness stays civilized while being constantly attacked.

Like cmon guys, I don't care for religion either, but don't take it out on one guy.

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AceMos
01/01/22 3:31:22 PM
#73:


OrangeWizard posted...
If anyone has any more questions, I'm here, and I'd be happy to answer them here or on the religion board.
the one you keep dancing around

why does you religion and god cover up sexual abuse of minors


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Zeeak4444
01/01/22 3:32:55 PM
#74:


@OrangeWizard

what do you guys do about mosquitos and shit?

like, is it that youre not willingly putting other blood in your body or something else?

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 3:39:35 PM
#75:


sutree posted...
Do JWs have any particular beliefs about vaccines?

Our only belief is that it's a personal decision that each one should make for themselves.
We have tangentially related beliefs, like being good citizens who obey authority, and who respect the gift of life, not only for ourselves, but for our neighbors as well.

Duncanwii posted...
Why do you support a monster who intentionally creates people different so that they are doomed to go to hell? Doesnt that at all bother you?

Good question! This is actually based on the assumption that God creates each individual person. We don't believe that he does. We believe that he only created two people, Adam and Eve. They made the decision to sin, got kicked out of Eden, and then passed down sin and imperfection to their children.

We don't believe in hell, as I said before, nor do we believe that anyone is doomed because of how they were born. Like Mewtwo said, the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It's what you do with the gift of life that defines you.
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AzurexNightmare
01/01/22 3:45:01 PM
#76:


Talas posted...
You guys are really being pointlessly hostile to this dude. He's answering questions and not pushing his faith on you. I've had nothing but annoying experiences with JW people but this guy is doing you a kindness by explain his religion to you by answering questions YOU asked him and you're kinda being shitty to him.
Exactly. They're letting out their life's frustrations out on him. Imagine someone telling you what they believe in and you're so mad you respond like this

WELL YOUR GOD IS A PIECE OF SHIT. I ASKED YOU. ANSWER ME. WHAT IS PERFECT? AGAIN. WHAT IS IT? Shut the fuck up already.

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Duncanwii
01/01/22 3:45:33 PM
#77:


OrangeWizard posted...
We don't believe in hell, as I said before, nor do we believe that anyone is doomed because of how they were born. Like Mewtwo said, the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It's what you do with the gift of life that defines you.

Mewtwo said that because he had the newfound belief that everyone are equal and shouldnt be treated differently for how they are born. Religion punishes Homosexuals for acting on how they were born, they clearly dont see them as equals or they would give them the same rights as strait people.

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hockeybub89
01/01/22 3:46:04 PM
#78:


NoxObscuras posted...
ITT: The "awful" Jehova's Witness stays civilized while being constantly attacked.

Like cmon guys, I don't care for religion either, but don't take it out on one guy.
Scientologists stay pretty composed too. Doesn't make them right or their beliefs good.

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 3:46:56 PM
#79:


Zeeak4444 posted...
@OrangeWizard

what do you guys do about mosquitos and shit?

like, is it that youre not willingly putting other blood in your body or something else?

Correct, it's that we're not willingly putting other blood in our bodies.
Even if we kill and animal and bleed it, some blood still remains in the body. It's impossible to get it all out. This is apparently good enough for God, because that's all that God commanded us to do when it comes to animals. He didn't tell us to go to extreme lengths to squeeze out every last drop of blood before we could eat meat.

AceMos posted...
why does you religion and god cover up sexual abuse of minors

You've never actually asked this as a question before, just stated it as if it were a fact. But since you're asking now, I'd be happy to answer.

We don't, or at least, we're not supposed to. If we do, then that's wrong, and we would disavow those who did it.

Here's how we handle child sexual abuse:

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal-resources/information/packet-jw-scripturally-based-position-child-protection/
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Zeeak4444
01/01/22 3:49:05 PM
#80:


AzurexNightmare posted...
Exactly. They're letting out their life's frustrations out on him. Imagine someone telling you what they believe in and you're so mad you respond like this

WELL YOUR GOD IS A PIECE OF SHIT. I ASKED YOU. ANSWER ME. WHAT IS PERFECT? AGAIN. WHAT IS IT? Shut the fuck up already.

you should see orange wizards political posts. He clearly doesnt give a fuck what others believe so while Im not attacking him (Im genuinely curious about the blood part) its pretty funny to see people go to bat for him.


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Zeeak4444
01/01/22 3:49:34 PM
#81:


OrangeWizard posted...
Correct, it's that we're not willingly putting other blood in our bodies.
Even if we kill and animal and bleed it, some blood still remains in the body. It's impossible to get it all out. This is apparently good enough for God, because that's all that God commanded us to do when it comes to animals. He didn't tell us to go to extreme lengths to squeeze out every last drop of blood before we could eat meat.

You've never actually asked this as a question before, just stated it as if it were a fact. But since you're asking now, I'd be happy to answer.

We don't, or at least, we're not supposed to. If we do, then that's wrong, and we would disavow those who did it.

Here's how we handle child sexual abuse:

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal-resources/information/packet-jw-scripturally-based-position-child-protection/

that makes sense, appreciate the response on it!

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IMNOTRAGED
01/01/22 3:52:32 PM
#82:


NoxObscuras posted...
ITT: The "awful" Jehova's Witness stays civilized while being constantly attacked.


hockeybub89 posted...
Valuing tone more than content is exactly what these scams want you to do. It's how they recruit. It's redpilling.


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Lost_All_Senses
01/01/22 4:11:49 PM
#83:


How come the tone thing works completely opposite with politics? Lol. Being loudedt and yelling at people is also how they get you?

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NoxObscuras
01/01/22 4:11:50 PM
#84:


hockeybub89 posted...
Scientologists stay pretty composed too. Doesn't make them right or their beliefs good.
You're right, it doesn't. But people in this topic basically taking all of their frustrations out on this one guy. It's kind of ridiculous. Like, I've had a negative opinion of JW's for years, but that's got nothing to do with the guy in this topic.

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AceMos
01/01/22 4:27:31 PM
#85:


NoxObscuras posted...
You're right, it doesn't. But people in this topic basically taking all of their frustrations out on this one guy. It's kind of ridiculous. Like, I've had a negative opinion of JW's for years, but that's got nothing to do with the guy in this topic.
he has said in this very topic he thinks god will damn me to nothingness all because im a lesbian

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 4:31:45 PM
#86:


I have not said that. If anything, I said the opposite.
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AceMos
01/01/22 4:32:51 PM
#87:


OrangeWizard posted...
I have not said that. If anything, I said the opposite.
yes yes you did say it

you say i cant have any relationships so yes you are saying i will be damned to nothingness


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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 4:38:03 PM
#88:


AceMos posted...
yes yes you did say it

you say i cant have any relationships so yes you are saying i will be damned to nothingness

The only accurate part of your post is that I did say that one who is homosexual and still wants to live by bible standards would have to remain single.

I didn't say that anyone would be damned for this or any other sin. I'm not the one who decides that.
What I did say on that subject was this:

Acts 24:15 "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous"

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Prestoff
01/01/22 5:03:05 PM
#89:


Zeeak4444 posted...
you should see orange wizards political posts. He clearly doesnt give a fuck what others believe so while Im not attacking him (Im genuinely curious about the blood part) its pretty funny to see people go to bat for him.

Oh I'm aware just how batshit crazy he can sound, but all he's literally doing is answering questions. I mean I agree a lot of his answers sounds stupid as fuck, but he's simply the messenger. I would say take this out on people who are actively trying to shove religion down our throats like the politicians who are making laws specifically because it caters to their religion.

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hockeybub89
01/01/22 5:08:12 PM
#90:


OrangeWizard posted...
The only accurate part of your post is that I did say that one who is homosexual and still wants to live by bible standards would have to remain single.

I didn't say that anyone would be damned for this or any other sin. I'm not the one who decides that.
What I did say on that subject was this:
You might as well just be spitting in her face. It's like saying you "respect her choices"

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 5:14:57 PM
#91:


hockeybub89 posted...
It's like saying you "respect her choices"

I do respect her choices.
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DarkBuster22904
01/01/22 5:56:10 PM
#92:


OrangeWizard posted...
Correct, it's that we're not willingly putting other blood in our bodies.
Even if we kill and animal and bleed it, some blood still remains in the body. It's impossible to get it all out. This is apparently good enough for God, because that's all that God commanded us to do when it comes to animals. He didn't tell us to go to extreme lengths to squeeze out every last drop of blood before we could eat meat.

You've never actually asked this as a question before, just stated it as if it were a fact. But since you're asking now, I'd be happy to answer.

We don't, or at least, we're not supposed to. If we do, then that's wrong, and we would disavow those who did it.

Here's how we handle child sexual abuse:

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal-resources/information/packet-jw-scripturally-based-position-child-protection/
And yet in practice, the governing body has been going to battle in courts worldwide for years to defend their confirmed digital record of confessed child predators who are protected within the church under "two witness" doctrines.

There's the policy on paper, then the policy in practice

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Kakapo
01/01/22 6:20:23 PM
#93:


@DeadlyNinjaBees this is definitely a topic

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hockeybub89
01/01/22 6:21:17 PM
#94:


OrangeWizard posted...
I do respect her choices.
Yikes

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TheGoldenEel
01/01/22 6:21:34 PM
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Jehovahs Witnesses killed Prince

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OrangeWizard
01/01/22 6:50:19 PM
#96:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
And yet in practice, the governing body has been going to battle in courts worldwide for years to defend their confirmed digital record of confessed child predators who are protected within the church under "two witness" doctrines.

Let any who have done something illegal be punished for it.

Kakapo posted...
@DeadlyNinjaBees this is definitely a topic

He posts on the religion board, too. He's calmed down a lot since I first met him.
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Derwood
01/01/22 6:50:48 PM
#97:


OrangeWizard posted...
I do respect her choices.

Lol, you do not
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DarkBuster22904
01/01/22 6:52:49 PM
#98:


OrangeWizard posted...
Let any who have done something illegal be punished for it.
I'm glad you feel that way.

Unfortunately the church, as a body, does not.

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DeadlyNinjaBees
01/01/22 8:00:07 PM
#99:


OrangeWizard posted...
He posts on the religion board, too. He's calmed down a lot since I first met him.

Not about your evil little LARP group I haven't.

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