Current Events > ghost busters 2016 out performed afterlife at the box office

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i find this funny after all the hate and bitching for a proper sequel ppl did

maybe its time fans admit ghost busters is not near as big as fans think it is

Im sure this had nothing to do with COVID.

Was the new one on streaming?

Ill give you a second to think about whats going on today in the world that wasnt going on in 2016.

PuppetPalClem posted...

Im sure this had nothing to do with COVID.

chrono625 posted...

Ill give you a second to think about whats going on today in the world that wasnt going on in 2016.

problem with these statements other block busters are doing just fine

AceMos posted...

problem with these statements other block busters are doing just fine

Not as good as they would have if COVID hadnt happened. You know this, so Im not going to go any further down this rabbit hole.

Bad films out gross good films all the time.

AceMos posted...

problem with these statements other block busters are doing just fine

Not really.

Even Spider-Man, the most hyped up Marvel movie since any of the Avengers movies, is barely about to hit Age of Ultron numbers.

Pre-COVID, I have no doubt it would have hit top 5 grossing of all time.

Did Ghostbusters 2016 have any play in the media at all? Did a presidential candidate comment on that movie? Did it come out at a time that was more advantageous financially?

PuppetPalClem posted...

Im sure this had nothing to do with COVID.

Not to mention they certainly killed off many people's interest and goodwill toward the franchise when releasing the 2016 movie.

2016 took the steam out of the desire for another movie.

I guess the lesson is that people are mostly okay with Ghostbusters being a thing of the past and Hollywood should stop trying to rekindle the magic.

Who the fuck is going to the theater?

Ghostbusters is a terrible franchise. Only 1/4 of the films was good.

Background_Guy posted...

Ghostbusters is a terrible franchise. Only 1/4 of the films was good.

This is factually true but it speaks to how good the first movie was that it's still a much loved franchise by all

Next you're going to tell me 20m people pirated Black Widow.

Slayer_22 posted...

Not really.

Even Spider-Man, the most hyped up Marvel movie since any of the Avengers movies, is barely about to hit Age of Ultron numbers.

Pre-COVID, I have no doubt it would have hit top 5 grossing of all time.

It took 3 weeks to hit that while it took AoU 11+ weeks and was 2/3rds the amount domestically because NWH hasn't released in China yet.

the cartoons > the movies IMO

well before Q5 ruined real ghost busters

but the good episodes of real and most of extreme are great

1. There's literally a pandemic going on right now that has people less willing to see movies
2. Ghostbusters 2016 cost nearly double to make not including advertising, so it still lost even more money even if it made slightly more at the box office.

Absolutely disingenuous post from OP.

Background_Guy posted...

Ghostbusters is a terrible franchise. Only 1/4 of the films was good.

Before I reply to this, I need to know which 1 of the 4 you think is good.

Only ghostbusters 3 was great.

Who fucking cares.

Somehow the new one seems even less dignified than 2016, so of course they're pretty close at the box office.

I haven't seen Afterlife and I don't care, but I feel like we're ignoring, well, all outside factors when we make reductive statements like this.

I mean, Afterlife reimagined Egon as a deadbeat dad who peaced out on his friends a decade ago and his family long, long before then. It's not exactly a flattering way to remember the character.

I don't get why they have such difficulty in making sequels. All you have to do is imply that the Ghostbusters have remained friends and have been catching ghosts between movies. If there's to be a depressing revelation, have it happen during the film. Don't just start out with our heroes sitting in the rain feeling sorry for themselves. (And don't try to pretend they never existed.)

If Ghostbusters '16 had been about the successors of the original Ghostbusters team, everything would've been just fine.

FortuneCookie posted...

If Ghostbusters '16 had been about the successors of the original Ghostbusters team, everything would've been just fine.

Uh, no.

It also had nearly double the budget of Afterlife. $144 million for 2016 vs $75 million for Afterlife.

PuppetPalClem posted...

Im sure this had nothing to do with COVID.

afterlife is the second best ghostbusters movie. Me and my kids wouldve loved to see it in theatres but it isnt worth the risk. Loved every minute of it.

Daniel_Berkhart posted...

It also had nearly double the budget of Afterlife. $144 million for 2016 vs $75 million for Afterlife.

Yup. This alone is enough to make one successful and the other one not.

Daniel_Berkhart posted...

It also had nearly double the budget of Afterlife. $144 million for 2016 vs $75 million for Afterlife.

Numbers do not include ads, where they openly admitted 2016 bombed because they spent so much on advertising.

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A saying that ia constantly proven to be a lie but the people who say it also say captain marvel was the biggest box office failure of all time but disney bought a the theater tickets so it would look like a success

DeadBankerDream posted...

Uh, no.

People weren't against a female protagonist. They were against it being a remake when they'd held out for a sequel for so long. And a remake which replaced the cast of likable established characters.

If the next Jurassic Park / Jurassic World movie has a female-centric cast, not many are going to complain beyond the usual suspects. If next year they decided to remake the original Jurassic Park and make everyone female, you'll see tables get flipped and chairs get thrown.

My point is the movie is fucking awful and just changing the backstory of the protagonists to be inheritors of the original cast won't make the long chains of improv or the bad jokes funny, won't make the portrayal of the protagonists not awful, won't make the story not derivative and worthless.

Fair enough.

yusiko posted...

A saying that ia constantly proven to be a lie but the people who say it also say captain marvel was the biggest box office failure of all time but disney bought a the theater tickets so it would look like a success

tbh if it wasnt released so close to endgame a lot of people wouldnt have felt forced to see it for any potential connections. Captain Marvel had strategic release timing to help pad its box office numbers.

Barber102 posted...

tbh if it wasnt released so close to endgame a lot of people wouldnt have felt forced to see it for any potential connections. Captain Marvel had strategic release timing to help pad its box office numbers.

factually false

ant man and wasp 2 did not get any boost

AceMos posted...

factually false

ant man and wasp 2 did not get any boost

how is it false? They were released before people could see it outside of theatres? Its fact even if you dont want to believe it. Ant man and wasp had come out on blu ray and dvd before endgame. People didnt need to see it in theatres.

Barber102 posted...

how is it false? They were released before people could see it outside of theatres? Its fact even if you dont want to believe it. Ant man and wasp had come out on blu ray and dvd before endgame. People didnt need to see it in theatres.

so why did this strategic release not bosot ant man and the wasp sales

maybe just maybe ppl liked captain marvel

Ant man and the wasp theatre release july 6 2018
captain marvel theatre release march 7 2019
endgame theatre release april 26 2019

antman and wasp was released on blu ray before endgame
captain marvel was STILL in theatres when endgame released. If you wanted to watch captain marvel for any potential story related to endgame you needed to see it in theatres.

it isnt that hard to figure out the strategy here. People felt they needed to see captain marvel in theatres where as antman and the wasp was not the case.

Barber102 posted...

Ant man and the wasp theatre release july 6 2018
captain marvel theatre release march 7 2019
endgame theatre release april 26 2019

antman and wasp was released on blu ray before endgame
captain marvel was STILL in theatres when endgame released. If you wanted to watch captain marvel for any potential story related to endgame you needed to see it in theatres.

it isnt that hard to figure out the strategy here. People felt they needed to see captain marvel in theatres where as antman and the wasp was not the case.

I dont know about any strategic release shenanigans, but it doesn't seem comparable to look at a movie that came out 1 month before the big finale and whataboutism a movie that came out nearly a year before.

Esrac posted...

Before I reply to this, I need to know which 1 of the 4 you think is good.

The first one. Most old-school fans who were around for the original release of GB1 and 2 will agree. It's mostly millennials who have rose tinted glasses for GB2.

And as a millennial, I don't think the OG fans are wrong. 2 is at best, just OK.

I'd compare it to Kingsman and Kingsman: Golden Circle. The first one was fun, charming and has an interesting premise(but isn't without flaw). The second one takes all the wrong notes from the first one and runs away with them. It lost all its charm, seemed oblivious to what made the premise interesting and just wasn't anywhere near as good and was a pale initiation of its prior self.

It's still watchable and ultimately isn't a terrible film, but its certainly not it's predecessor.

Plus a lot of people don't pay that much attention to advertising and stuff. I'm sure many just shrugged it off as another reboot or a sequel to the 2016, which kind of killed the casual fandom of the series.

It outperformed at the box office, but 2016 was still considered a failure due to the marketing costs.

The marketing budget was about as much as the production budget itself. Altogether, it had the budget of a Marvel film, which is insane for a Ghostbusters movie

archedsoul posted...

It took 3 weeks to hit that while it took AoU 11+ weeks and was 2/3rds the amount domestically because NWH hasn't released in China yet.

Wait, wait. It hasn't?

God damn.

There were many reasons I didn't pay money to see Ghostbusters 2016 in theaters.

There was one very specific and important reason I didn't go see Ghostbusters: Afterlife in theaters.

I reasonably assume that I am far from alone in this.

Afterlife is pretty close to passing 2016 at the domestic box office, despite dealing with COVID.

Like someone pointed out, budget is important, that is why GB 2016 is a massive box office flop while Afterlife is a universal success

I was saying it back then (I totally was).

People like the idea of Ghostbusters more than the execution. They have an image in their head of what good Ghostbusters looks like and they feel confident enough to say "not that" when they see it, but they tend to be kinda vague when asked what is.

The reason GB remains in peoples' memories is not because of proton packs, jumpsuits, or Ecto-1. It's because of the chemistry and delivery of the cast at the time.

Same with a lot of nostalgic property. Like Star Wars.

Esrac posted...

I dont know about any strategic release shenanigans, but it doesn't seem comparable to look at a movie that came out 1 month before the big finale and whataboutism a movie that came out nearly a year before.

People didnt need to see antman 2 in theatres like they did with captain marvel. So youre absolutely correct this is a shitty whataboutisim. If you swapped both movies theatrical releases and antman 2 was a month from the endgame it likely wouldve done captain marvels numbers, and captain marvel would have likely done antman 2s numbers.

its strategy. Captain Marvel the character isnt particularly well liked by comic fans and amongst casuals she wasnt a well known character. This was a great strategy to release her movie the way they did. It got better results in the box office because of its release proximity to endgame.

note im not saying captain marvel was a failure or would have been without its endgame release date. im saying its numbers are boosted by pure strategic planning. For what it is worth captain marvel received a lot of unnecessary backlash from dumbasses, I enjoyed the movie.

Ghostbusters 2016 was a shit ghostbusters film. Afterlife was not. Ghostbusters 2016 was not released during a global pandemic like after life. And before people bring up the fact ghostbusters 2016 was an all female team that point is moot the main primary focus of afterlife was phoebe eegons granddaughter, she had most of the movies screen time and she absolutely killed it.

afterlife was a super enjoyable film to watch, ghostbusters 2016 was boring, most of the female cast sucked. Leslie jones and chris hemsworth were the only things that movie had going for it.

BeyondWalls posted...

2016 took the steam out of the desire for another movie.

Yeah when a franchise runs a dud then subsequent entries tend to also be duds.

This topic is the first time I've even heard about Ghostbusters 2021. Nobody cares anymore, 2016 killed the hype.