o Sobs UNCONTROLLABLY as she and 6 ANTI-VAXXERS are ARRESTED!!!

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Full Throttle 01/22/22 10:13:48 PM #1:	Do you think she was told to cry on cue for the cameras? Yes. she was clearly told to turn up the tears for the cameras No. it looks pretty genuine to me that she was traumatized over this Do you think she was told to cry on cue for the cameras? - Results (55 votes) Yes. she was clearly told to turn up the tears for the cameras 70.91% (39 votes) 39 No. it looks pretty genuine to me that she was traumatized over this 29.09% (16 votes) 16 NYPD Officers were heckled for arresting 5 organized anti-vax mandate protesters and detaining a 9 y/o who Sobbed UNCONTROLLABLY after they barged into a Natural History Museum without showing proof of vaccination!! A half dozen members of the New York Freedom Rally, a group who staged anti-vax protests throughout the city attempted to enterthe museum without showing proof of passports of 5 years or older A 9 y/o named Jayla was filmed sobbing as she was taken into custody by 2 officers with onlookers mocking the police for arresting law abiding citizens while not doing anything to stop the rising crime in NYC The 6 anti-vaxxers made reservations to visit the museum but were denied entry after failing to show proof of vaccination. Their protest was recorded by a twitter user who identified himself as an "independent journalist" that saw an argument between security and museum officials that escalated when the anti-vaxxers barged in after one of the members named "Joy" was denied to use the bathroom after telling them she was on her PERIOD!! Mitchell Bosch, who gained notorierty for his anti-mandate stunts came to her defense and yelled "I'll take all of you on! You'll have to drag me. Bring it" He was seen laying out on the floor giving them an ultimatum to either let them all in or call the police and that was the line he was drawing. no negotiation. NYPD officers were then called to remove him as onlookers called the officers cowards for not standing up to the government and traumatizing a crying child A video shared by former American Idol Contestant Jimmy Levy showed a smiling Jayla emerging from the Police station with her all smiles in front of the camera as he called them HEROES of the United States. The group vowed to continue opposing NYC mandates and balks at police who arrest them and not criminals during a rising crime of murder and robberies who say THEY are not the enemies they should focus on. Do you think the 9 y/o was faking those tears for the camera? https://i.imgur.com/fDpTrTi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0QHJGio.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i8bXeK8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Az2coDU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HAyJqu0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/febI234.jpg https://i.imgur.com/y3CFrNy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G0rKqNx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/eLBuQvc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VTXQC5d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5bn1c0P.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XTv4bF0.jpg --- The News Will Continue...For Now call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:961988782] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote> Do you think she was told to cry on cue for the cameras? Yes. she was clearly told to turn up the tears for the cameras No. it looks pretty genuine to me that she was traumatized over this Vote View Results Do you think she was told to cry on cue for the cameras? - Results (55 votes) Yes. she was clearly told to turn up the tears for the cameras 70.91% (39 votes) 39 No. it looks pretty genuine to me that she was traumatized over this 29.09% (16 votes) 16 Show Voting Form NYPD Officers were heckled for arresting 5 organized anti-vax mandate protesters and detaining a 9 y/o who Sobbed UNCONTROLLABLY after they barged into a Natural History Museum without showing proof of vaccination!! A half dozen members of the New York Freedom Rally, a group who staged anti-vax protests throughout the city attempted to enterthe museum without showing proof of passports of 5 years or older A 9 y/o named Jayla was filmed sobbing as she was taken into custody by 2 officers with onlookers mocking the police for arresting law abiding citizens while not doing anything to stop the rising crime in NYC The 6 anti-vaxxers made reservations to visit the museum but were denied entry after failing to show proof of vaccination. Their protest was recorded by a twitter user who identified himself as an "independent journalist" that saw an argument between security and museum officials that escalated when the anti-vaxxers barged in after one of the members named "Joy" was denied to use the bathroom after telling them she was on her PERIOD!! Mitchell Bosch, who gained notorierty for his anti-mandate stunts came to her defense and yelled "I'll take all of you on! You'll have to drag me. Bring it" He was seen laying out on the floor giving them an ultimatum to either let them all in or call the police and that was the line he was drawing. no negotiation. NYPD officers were then called to remove him as onlookers called the officers cowards for not standing up to the government and traumatizing a crying child A video shared by former American Idol Contestant Jimmy Levy showed a smiling Jayla emerging from the Police station with her all smiles in front of the camera as he called them HEROES of the United States. The group vowed to continue opposing NYC mandates and balks at police who arrest them and not criminals during a rising crime of murder and robberies who say THEY are not the enemies they should focus on. Do you think the 9 y/o was faking those tears for the camera? https://i.imgur.com/fDpTrTi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0QHJGio.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i8bXeK8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Az2coDU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HAyJqu0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/febI234.jpg https://i.imgur.com/y3CFrNy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G0rKqNx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/eLBuQvc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VTXQC5d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5bn1c0P.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XTv4bF0.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/22/22 10:20:31 PM #2:	This isn't a situation where a 9 year old needs to be told to cry. It is natural for them to cry. They are 9 and don't have a fucking clue what is going on. I hope the parents lose custody for putting their child in this situation. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:961988933] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>This isn't a situation where a 9 year old needs to be told to cry. It is natural for them to cry. They are 9 and don't have a fucking clue what is going on. I hope the parents lose custody for putting their child in this situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 01/22/22 10:30:04 PM #3:	NINE year old ANti vaxxer!! <cite>dioxxys posted [p:961989138] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>NINE year old ANti vaxxer!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 01/22/22 10:58:16 PM #4:	BlackScythe0 posted... This isn't a situation where a 9 year old needs to be told to cry. It is natural for them to cry. They are 9 and don't have a fucking clue what is going on. I hope the parents lose custody for putting their child in this situation. Oh shell definitely will be getting a visit from CPS. Wont lose custody, though. Her parents will more than likely be ordered to take parental classes, and pay for them out their own pocket and/or their insurance. --- Century: Age Of Ashes is the greatest dragon riding game to ever exist and it's FREE. <cite>HornedLion posted [p:961990016] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>This isn't a situation where a 9 year old needs to be told to cry. It is natural for them to cry. They are 9 and don't have a fucking clue what is going on. I hope the parents lose custody for putting their child in this situation.</quote> Oh shell definitely will be getting a visit from CPS. Wont lose custody, though. Her parents will more than likely be ordered to take parental classes, and pay for them out their own pocket and/or their insurance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/22/22 11:23:42 PM #5:	9 year olds definitely deserve to be arrested. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:961991150] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>9 year olds definitely deserve to be arrested.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 01/23/22 9:57:25 AM #6:	Full Throttle posted... onlookers mocking the police for arresting law abiding citizens Full Throttle posted... A half dozen members of the New York Freedom Rally, a group who staged anti-vax protests throughout the city attempted to enterthe museum without showing proof of passports of 5 years or older Those are legallly enforced, so the police were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, arresting lawbreaking citizens. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:961999904] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Full Throttle posted... </cite> <quote>onlookers mocking the police for arresting law abiding citizens</quote> Full Throttle posted... </cite> <quote> A half dozen members of the New York Freedom Rally, a group who staged anti-vax protests throughout the city attempted to enterthe museum without showing proof of passports of 5 years or older</quote> Those are legallly enforced, so the police were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, arresting lawbreaking citizens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/23/22 9:58:28 AM #7:	Nichtcrawler X posted... Those are legallly enforced, so the police were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, arresting lawbreaking citizens. Revelation34 posted... 9 year olds definitely deserve to be arrested. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:961999924] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote> Those are legallly enforced, so the police were doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, arresting lawbreaking citizens. </quote> Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>9 year olds definitely deserve to be arrested.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/23/22 10:36:46 AM #8:	Revelation34 posted... 9 year olds definitely deserve to be arrested. The child does not appear to have handcuffs on, troll, do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962000667] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>9 year olds definitely deserve to be arrested.</quote>The child does not appear to have handcuffs on, troll, do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/23/22 10:41:59 AM #9:	BlackScythe0 posted... The child does not appear to have handcuffs on, troll, do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself? "she and 6 ANTI-VAXXERS are ARRESTED!!!" "A 9 y/o named Jayla was filmed sobbing as she was taken into custody by 2 officers with onlookers mocking the police for arresting" --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:962000781] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote> The child does not appear to have handcuffs on, troll, do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself? </quote> "she and 6 ANTI-VAXXERS are ARRESTED!!!" "A 9 y/o named Jayla was filmed sobbing as she was taken into custody by 2 officers with onlookers mocking the police for arresting"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/23/22 10:45:10 AM #10:	Revelation34 posted... "she and 6 ANTI-VAXXERS are ARRESTED!!!" "A 9 y/o named Jayla was filmed sobbing as she was taken into custody by 2 officers with onlookers mocking the police for arresting" BlackScythe0 posted... troll, do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962000862] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>"she and 6 ANTI-VAXXERS are ARRESTED!!!" "A 9 y/o named Jayla was filmed sobbing as she was taken into custody by 2 officers with onlookers mocking the police for arresting"</quote> BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>troll, do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/23/22 10:46:25 AM #11:	They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:962000881] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/23/22 10:56:25 AM #12:	Revelation34 posted... They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy. By herself? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962001092] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy.</quote>By herself? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/23/22 11:34:41 AM #13:	Revelation34 posted... They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy. And left her there unsupervised while her parents are in custody? That would be extremely irresponsible. Presumably, the parents were given an opportunity to arrange for some other guardian to pick her up from the station and take her home. It's not the cops' responsibility to babysit kids that criminals have abandoned, as much as you'll get the occasional feel-good story about one doing so. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962001843] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy.</quote> And left her there unsupervised while her parents are in custody? That would be extremely irresponsible. Presumably, the parents were given an opportunity to arrange for some other guardian to pick her up from the station and take her home. It's not the cops' responsibility to babysit kids that criminals have abandoned, as much as you'll get the occasional feel-good story about one doing so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 01/23/22 6:14:21 PM #14:	She's a nine year old so absolutely was told to ham it up. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:962013295] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>She's a nine year old so absolutely was told to ham it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 01/23/22 6:27:00 PM #15:	This is fucking moronic, the 9 year old didn't get "arrested". She was likely just held at the station until another family member could come pick her up. Bearduck misinformation as usual. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ggCrHk8.jpg <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:962014048] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>This is fucking moronic, the 9 year old didn't get "arrested". She was likely just held at the station until another family member could come pick her up. Bearduck misinformation as usual. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 01/23/22 6:27:35 PM #16:	Revelation34 posted... They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy. That is a bad idea on so many levels. Get a grip lol --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ggCrHk8.jpg <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:962014079] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>They could have just taken her home instead. Cops are lazy.</quote>That is a bad idea on so many levels. Get a grip lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/24/22 4:56:03 AM #17:	InfernalFive posted... That is a bad idea on so many levels. Get a grip lol Why are you supporting shitty cops? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:962027675] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>InfernalFive posted...</cite> <quote> That is a bad idea on so many levels. Get a grip lol </quote> Why are you supporting shitty cops?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/24/22 9:17:54 AM #18:	What about their right to protest? --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962030707] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>What about their right to protest? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/24/22 9:31:45 AM #19:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... What about their right to protest? You don't have a right to protest by breaking into a building. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:962030956] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>What about their right to protest? </quote> You don't have a right to protest by breaking into a building.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/24/22 9:48:45 AM #20:	Revelation34 posted... You don't have a right to protest by breaking into a building. The 2020 protests indicated otherwise. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962031306] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>You don't have a right to protest by breaking into a building.</quote>The 2020 protests indicated otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/24/22 10:42:42 AM #21:	Revelation34 posted... Why are you supporting shitty cops? Do you really think it's the police's job to arrange for/act as a babysitter? There are absolutely many terrible cops out there, but this is not an example of that. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... The 2020 protests indicated otherwise. No they didn't. They just indicated that arresting somebody for trespassing/vandalism is really hard in the middle of a riot (unless they're stupid and take selfies the whole time that they later share, which has been very helpful for prosecuting the Capitol rioters). Had 6 BLM protesters broken into a building, they would have been similarly arrested. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962032439] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you supporting shitty cops?</quote> Do you really think it's the police's job to arrange for/act as a babysitter? There are absolutely many terrible cops out there, but this is not an example of that. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>The 2020 protests indicated otherwise.</quote> No they didn't. They just indicated that arresting somebody for trespassing/vandalism is really hard in the middle of a riot (unless they're stupid and take selfies the whole time that they later share, which has been very helpful for prosecuting the Capitol rioters). Had 6 BLM protesters broken into a building, they would have been similarly arrested. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/24/22 12:19:08 PM #22:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... What about their right to protest? They were engaged in civil disobedience. It's when you choose to do a thing you know is going to get you arrested for the point of sending a message. These people brought their very young child into a situation knowing they were going to be arrested. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962034795] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>What about their right to protest?</quote> They were engaged in civil disobedience. It's when you choose to do a thing you know is going to get you arrested for the point of sending a message. These people brought their very young child into a situation knowing they were going to be arrested. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/24/22 5:11:38 PM #23:	adjl posted... They just indicated that arresting somebody for trespassing/vandalism is really hard in the middle of a riot So if they had set more things on fire they would have been left alone? adjl posted... Had 6 BLM protesters broken into a building, they would have been similarly arrested. ... and immediately released. BlackScythe0 posted... They were engaged in civil disobedience. Which seems to have recently become a human right. BlackScythe0 posted... a thing you know is going to get you arrested You don't get arrested for exercising a human right. Recent events have informed the public that they won't be arrested for protesting. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962042787] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>They just indicated that arresting somebody for trespassing/vandalism is really hard in the middle of a riot</quote>So if they had set more things on fire they would have been left alone? adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Had 6 BLM protesters broken into a building, they would have been similarly arrested.</quote>... and immediately released. BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>They were engaged in civil disobedience.</quote>Which seems to have recently become a human right. BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>a thing you know is going to get you arrested</quote>You don't get arrested for exercising a human right. Recent events have informed the public that they won't be arrested for protesting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/24/22 5:53:33 PM #24:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Which seems to have recently become a human right. You don't get arrested for exercising a human right. Recent events have informed the public that they won't be arrested for protesting. ??????? What are you talking about? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962043843] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Which seems to have recently become a human right. You don't get arrested for exercising a human right. Recent events have informed the public that they won't be arrested for protesting.</quote> ??????? What are you talking about? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/24/22 8:57:42 PM #25:	BlackScythe0 posted... This isn't a situation where a 9 year old needs to be told to cry. It is natural for them to cry. They are 9 and don't have a fucking clue what is going on. I hope the parents lose custody for putting their child in this situation. Yet another stunningly awful post from BS0. jfc, why are you so fixated on stealing kids from parents? BlackScythe0 posted... The child does not appear to have handcuffs on, [REDACTED] do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself? ...does BS0 honestly believe that it's only an arrest when handcuffs are used? adjl posted... Had 6 BLM protesters broken into a building, they would have been similarly arrested. Unlikely, because they pick and choose when to enforce that stuff. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:962048754] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>This isn't a situation where a 9 year old needs to be told to cry. It is natural for them to cry. They are 9 and don't have a fucking clue what is going on. I hope the parents lose custody for putting their child in this situation.</quote> Yet another stunningly awful post from BS0. jfc, why are you so fixated on stealing kids from parents? BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>The child does not appear to have handcuffs on, [REDACTED] do you expect the officers to just arrest everyone else and leave her there by herself?</quote> ...does BS0 honestly believe that it's only an arrest when handcuffs are used? adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Had 6 BLM protesters broken into a building, they would have been similarly arrested.</quote> Unlikely, because they pick and choose when to enforce that stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/24/22 9:19:37 PM #26:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... So if they had set more things on fire they would have been left alone? More accurately, if there were a couple thousand more people and the police were focused on riot control and not on sending a couple cops to arrest a small handful of people that were sitting where they shouldn't, they probably wouldn't have been arrested. That's a simple matter of logistics and numbers: The more chaotic the situation and the more people involved, the less likely any given individual is to be singled out. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... ... and immediately released. Depends on the nature of the crime they committed. Trespassing doesn't usually result in jail time. Assault does. Preventing people from safely patronizing a business definitely leans more toward the latter. Zeus posted... Yet another stunningly awful post from BS0. jfc, why are you so fixated on stealing kids from parents? Do you honestly think the decision to bring the child along on this little stunt was anything more than a ploy to make the government look bad for arresting a child? Do you honestly think that parents who are willing to exploit their children as political pawns like that are good parents? Zeus posted... Unlikely, because they pick and choose when to enforce that stuff. It might depend on what actual harm they were causing, but in such an unambiguous case of trespassing as this (which interfered with the business' ability to safely operate), it's a given that they'd at least be removed, if not actually taken into custody. Plus, you know, there's the whole bit where protesting police brutality is infinitely more justifiable than protesting against public health (boiling down to "stop hurting people" vs. "let me hurt people"), but people seem to like glossing over that whenever they equivocate the two. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962049392] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>So if they had set more things on fire they would have been left alone?</quote> More accurately, if there were a couple thousand more people and the police were focused on riot control and not on sending a couple cops to arrest a small handful of people that were sitting where they shouldn't, they probably wouldn't have been arrested. That's a simple matter of logistics and numbers: The more chaotic the situation and the more people involved, the less likely any given individual is to be singled out. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>... and immediately released.</quote> Depends on the nature of the crime they committed. Trespassing doesn't usually result in jail time. Assault does. Preventing people from safely patronizing a business definitely leans more toward the latter. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Yet another stunningly awful post from BS0. jfc, why are you so fixated on stealing kids from parents?</quote> Do you honestly think the decision to bring the child along on this little stunt was anything more than a ploy to make the government look bad for arresting a child? Do you honestly think that parents who are willing to exploit their children as political pawns like that are good parents? Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Unlikely, because they pick and choose when to enforce that stuff.</quote> It might depend on what actual harm they were causing, but in such an unambiguous case of trespassing as this (which interfered with the business' ability to safely operate), it's a given that they'd at least be removed, if not actually taken into custody. Plus, you know, there's the whole bit where protesting police brutality is infinitely more justifiable than protesting against public health (boiling down to "stop hurting people" vs. "let me hurt people"), but people seem to like glossing over that whenever they equivocate the two. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/24/22 10:33:28 PM #27:	BlackScythe0 posted... What are you talking about? Their right to protest. adjl posted... the less likely any given individual is to be singled out. I'm not talking about a given individual being singled out. I'm talking about the support for all protesting, except for when there isn't. adjl posted... Preventing people from safely patronizing a business definitely leans more toward the latter. Not many details were given in the first post. How did they make it dangerous for the museum to keep doing museum things? --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962051255] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>What are you talking about?</quote>Their right to protest. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>the less likely any given individual is to be singled out.</quote>I'm not talking about a given individual being singled out. I'm talking about the support for all protesting, except for when there isn't. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Preventing people from safely patronizing a business definitely leans more toward the latter.</quote>Not many details were given in the first post. How did they make it dangerous for the museum to keep doing museum things? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 01/24/22 11:23:46 PM #28:	Revelation34 posted... Why are you supporting shitty cops? Is this a real post? It's not "supporting shitty cops" to believe that bringing this girl home without someone there to watch her is a terrible idea. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ggCrHk8.jpg <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:962052394] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you supporting shitty cops?</quote>Is this a real post? It's not "supporting shitty cops" to believe that bringing this girl home without someone there to watch her is a terrible idea. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/25/22 12:40:13 AM #29:	Zeus posted... Yet another stunningly awful post from BS0. jfc, why are you so fixated on stealing kids from parents? Are you saying you think people who take their kids to their arrest to use them for sympathy when the child is potentially traumatized are good parents? ...does BS0 honestly believe that it's only an arrest when handcuffs are used? He was making a absolutely absurd argument. The parents did what they did knowing they were going to be arrested. As I said what were the cops supposed to do leave the child there alone? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Their right to protest. They were trespassing. What argument are you attempting to make? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962053793] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Yet another stunningly awful post from BS0. jfc, why are you so fixated on stealing kids from parents?</quote>Are you saying you think people who take their kids to their arrest to use them for sympathy when the child is potentially traumatized are good parents? <quote>...does BS0 honestly believe that it's only an arrest when handcuffs are used?</quote>He was making a absolutely absurd argument. The parents did what they did knowing they were going to be arrested. As I said what were the cops supposed to do leave the child there alone? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Their right to protest.</quote> They were trespassing. What argument are you attempting to make? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 12:49:59 AM #30:	BlackScythe0 posted... They were trespassing. What argument are you attempting to make? BlackScythe0 posted... What argument are you attempting to make? That they should not have been arrested as the right to protest supersedes any laws that may be broken as a result. As evident by the 2020 protests. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962053977] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>They were trespassing.</quote>What argument are you attempting to make? BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>What argument are you attempting to make?</quote>That they should not have been arrested as the right to protest supersedes any laws that may be broken as a result. As evident by the 2020 protests. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 01/25/22 12:53:13 AM #31:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... What argument are you attempting to make? That they should not have been arrested as the right to protest supersedes any laws that may be broken as a result. As evident by the 2020 protests. What are you talking about? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:962054037] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>What argument are you attempting to make? That they should not have been arrested as the right to protest supersedes any laws that may be broken as a result. As evident by the 2020 protests.</quote>What are you talking about? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 10:10:08 AM #32:	BlackScythe0 posted... What are you talking about? Their right to protest. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962060549] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>What are you talking about?</quote>Their right to protest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/22 10:19:22 AM #33:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I'm not talking about a given individual being singled out. Individuals have to be singled out to be arrested. That's the simple practical reality of the matter. If the situation prevents you from singling people out, arresting people for committing crimes in that situation becomes very difficult. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I'm talking about the support for all protesting, except for when there isn't. Which means you're fundamentally misunderstanding the reality of the situation and I really don't know how to help you with that. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Not many details were given in the first post. How did they make it dangerous for the museum to keep doing museum things? By violating the safety protocols that were in place and thereby unnecessarily putting other visitors at risk. In case you haven't noticed, there's a global public health crisis that has necessitated certain countermeasures to reduce the associated risks, countermeasures which these idiots got butthurt about and decided to ignore (all of which is outlined in the first post, despite your belief that it lacks details). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962060732] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not talking about a given individual being singled out.</quote> Individuals have to be singled out to be arrested. That's the simple practical reality of the matter. If the situation prevents you from singling people out, arresting people for committing crimes in that situation becomes very difficult. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I'm talking about the support for all protesting, except for when there isn't.</quote> Which means you're fundamentally misunderstanding the reality of the situation and I really don't know how to help you with that. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Not many details were given in the first post. How did they make it dangerous for the museum to keep doing museum things?</quote> By violating the safety protocols that were in place and thereby unnecessarily putting other visitors at risk. In case you haven't noticed, there's a global public health crisis that has necessitated certain countermeasures to reduce the associated risks, countermeasures which these idiots got butthurt about and decided to ignore (all of which is outlined in the first post, despite your belief that it lacks details). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 01/25/22 10:29:29 AM #34:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... That they should not have been arrested as the right to protest supersedes any laws that may be broken as a result. Protests are still bound by law and might even require a permit for the event. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:962060975] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>That they should not have been arrested as the right to protest supersedes any laws that may be broken as a result.</quote> Protests are still bound by law and might even require a permit for the event. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 10:44:55 AM #35:	Nichtcrawler X posted... Protests are still bound by law and might even require a permit for the event. Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962061317] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler X posted... </cite> <quote>Protests are still bound by law and might even require a permit for the event.</quote>Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 01/25/22 10:55:40 AM #36:	Over a certain size, such things would definitely matter. You really do not want to catch the authorities unawares with an action, that they do not even know what is going on. That is how you get Riot Control after you (or whatever those are called in English speaking countries, I have no idea) --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:962061570] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Over a certain size, such things would definitely matter. You really do not want to catch the authorities unawares with an action, that they do not even know what is going on. That is how you get Riot Control after you (or whatever those are called in English speaking countries, I have no idea) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/22 11:08:04 AM #37:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter. So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present. Therein we arrive at one of the major challenges in arresting troublemakers in large protests: finding them. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962061879] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter.</quote> So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present. Therein we arrive at one of the major challenges in arresting troublemakers in large protests: finding them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 01/25/22 11:11:36 AM #38:	Which is why clubs and legit football fans, hate hooligans so much. It is very difficult for police/riot control to distinguish between them, if hooligans are being hooligans during matches. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:962061965] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Which is why clubs and legit football fans, hate hooligans so much. It is very difficult for police/riot control to distinguish between them, if hooligans are being hooligans during matches. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 11:13:00 AM #39:	adjl posted... So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present. Therein we arrive at one of the major challenges in arresting troublemakers in large protests: finding them. I don't think that's how that works. So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble. You need to think more collectivist to understand it. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962062011] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present. Therein we arrive at one of the major challenges in arresting troublemakers in large protests: finding them.</quote>I don't think that's how that works. So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble. You need to think more collectivist to understand it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/25/22 11:30:31 AM #40:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble. Thats not what he said, though He used specific words --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:962062485] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble.</quote> Thats not what he said, though He used specific words</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/22 11:34:36 AM #41:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I don't think that's how that works. So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble. You need to think more collectivist to understand it. You need to think more in terms of basic physical reality to understand it. If you have a crowd of 1000 people and 6 of them are causing trouble, arresting those 6 entails identifying them, wading through 994 other people to the last place you saw them, and hoping that they're still there and that you still remember what they look like well enough to identify them. You then have to hope that, once you manage to arrest the right person, enough witnesses come forward to confirm that they are guilty to actually allow charges to stick, since the arresting officers aren't likely to be able to present any evidence. Otherwise, they're released with no charges and all that work was for nothing. All of this while a significant chunk of the department's resources are tied up in riot control in case things get out of hand, so officers probably aren't even available to do any of that. By contrast, this was six people sitting in the middle of a lobby pouting like toddlers. Easy to identify, easy to reach, easy to charge. You don't need to blame some grand ideological conspiracy by the government to checks notes erode its own ability to enforce its laws (because we all know evil totalitarian governments love doing that so much). This is common sense: This was an easy arrest, arresting troublemakers in the middle of a large protest is hard (hence riot control tends to involve using measures like tear gas to encourage people to disperse, rather than focusing on arresting individuals). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962062590] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think that's how that works. So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble. You need to think more collectivist to understand it.</quote> You need to think more in terms of basic physical reality to understand it. If you have a crowd of 1000 people and 6 of them are causing trouble, arresting those 6 entails identifying them, wading through 994 other people to the last place you saw them, and hoping that they're still there and that you still remember what they look like well enough to identify them. You then have to hope that, once you manage to arrest the right person, enough witnesses come forward to confirm that they are guilty to actually allow charges to stick, since the arresting officers aren't likely to be able to present any evidence. Otherwise, they're released with no charges and all that work was for nothing. All of this while a significant chunk of the department's resources are tied up in riot control in case things get out of hand, so officers probably aren't even available to do any of that. By contrast, this was six people sitting in the middle of a lobby pouting like toddlers. Easy to identify, easy to reach, easy to charge. You don't need to blame some grand ideological conspiracy by the government to checks notes erode its own ability to enforce its laws (because we all know evil totalitarian governments love doing that so much). This is common sense: This was an easy arrest, arresting troublemakers in the middle of a large protest is hard (hence riot control tends to involve using measures like tear gas to encourage people to disperse, rather than focusing on arresting individuals). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/25/22 11:40:08 AM #42:	Nichtcrawler X posted... Which is why clubs and legit football fans, hate hooligans so much. It is very difficult for police/riot control to distinguish between them, if hooligans are being hooligans during matches. Cameras are clearly useless. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:962062725] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why clubs and legit football fans, hate hooligans so much. It is very difficult for police/riot control to distinguish between them, if hooligans are being hooligans during matches. </quote> Cameras are clearly useless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/22 11:46:48 AM #43:	Revelation34 posted... Cameras are clearly useless. Honestly, they kind of are. You're generally lucky to get a definitive identification from most security cameras, especially in a more chaotic situation where people are moving around a lot. They do absolutely nothing during the incident, so they can't be used to help identify and remove problem individuals from the situation, so you're limited to hoping a camera caught a clear image and then also you can manage to match that image to a person (who often isn't even local, in the case of sporting events), which usually relies on somebody that knows them turning them in. Cameras exist mostly as deterrents, as much as people like to think they guarantee the criminal would be caught. For most petty crimes, it's not worth police's time to seriously investigate any footage they get. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962062886] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Cameras are clearly useless.</quote> Honestly, they kind of are. You're generally lucky to get a definitive identification from most security cameras, especially in a more chaotic situation where people are moving around a lot. They do absolutely nothing during the incident, so they can't be used to help identify and remove problem individuals from the situation, so you're limited to hoping a camera caught a clear image and then also you can manage to match that image to a person (who often isn't even local, in the case of sporting events), which usually relies on somebody that knows them turning them in. Cameras exist mostly as deterrents, as much as people like to think they guarantee the criminal would be caught. For most petty crimes, it's not worth police's time to seriously investigate any footage they get. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 5:17:35 PM #44:	LinkPizza posted... Thats not what he said, though He used specific words He used specific words which didn't apply to what he responded to. adjl posted... If you have a crowd of 1000 people and 6 of them are causing trouble, arresting those 6 entails identifying them No, the 6 wouldn't get arrested because they're part of a protest. I know you have difficulty with abstract thinking so recall the actual news reports from 2020 and the reporters standing in front of buildings on fire. Now you might think that the people who set the fire are guilty of arson, and the other protesters are accomplices, and the news reporter who downplayed the seriousness of the crime are complicit in it and inciting people to commit more. But think about everything that's not on fire. Since as a whole it's still mostly peaceful it qualifies as being part of a protest and the arson isn't that much of an issue. You might have been concerned about the stores that were smashed up and looted. And the cost of just clearing away the debris is more than insurance (if they had any) will pay out to the owner thus ruining their livelihoods. But remember that it's not on the scale you would see if there had been enough violence to call it a riot so it's fine. adjl posted... conspiracy by the government to checks notes erode its own ability to enforce its laws I don't know where you got those notes, or what they're for, but they don't pertain to anything I've said. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962071838] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Thats not what he said, though He used specific words</quote>He used specific words which didn't apply to what he responded to. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>If you have a crowd of 1000 people and 6 of them are causing trouble, arresting those 6 entails identifying them</quote>No, the 6 wouldn't get arrested because they're part of a protest. I know you have difficulty with abstract thinking so recall the actual news reports from 2020 and the reporters standing in front of buildings on fire. Now you might think that the people who set the fire are guilty of arson, and the other protesters are accomplices, and the news reporter who downplayed the seriousness of the crime are complicit in it and inciting people to commit more. But think about everything that's not on fire. Since as a whole it's still mostly peaceful it qualifies as being part of a protest and the arson isn't that much of an issue. You might have been concerned about the stores that were smashed up and looted. And the cost of just clearing away the debris is more than insurance (if they had any) will pay out to the owner thus ruining their livelihoods. But remember that it's not on the scale you would see if there had been enough violence to call it a riot so it's fine. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>conspiracy by the government to checks notes erode its own ability to enforce its laws</quote>I don't know where you got those notes, or what they're for, but they don't pertain to anything I've said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/25/22 5:30:14 PM #45:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... He used specific words which didn't apply to what he responded to. What I'm saying is this... You said, "Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter." He said, "So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present." Which is a response to your statement. And you somehow thought he said, "So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble." Which is not what he said at all... What he said was that you wouldn't arrest most of people present if they were mostly people. Based on that, it sounds like he's saying to arrest the ones who aren't peaceful... And based on his post where he says, "If you have a crowd of 1000 people and 6 of them are causing trouble, arresting those 6 entails identifying them", it sounds like that's exactly what he's saying... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:962072185] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>He used specific words which didn't apply to what he responded to.</quote> What I'm saying is this... You said, "Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter." He said, "So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present." Which is a response to your statement. And you somehow thought he said, "So long as the protest as a whole is mostly peaceful no one participating in the protest can get in trouble." Which is not what he said at all... What he said was that you wouldn't arrest most of people present if they were mostly people. Based on that, it sounds like he's saying to arrest the ones who aren't peaceful... And based on his post where he says, "If you have a crowd of 1000 people and 6 of them are causing trouble, arresting those 6 entails identifying them", it sounds like that's exactly what he's saying...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 5:43:51 PM #46:	LinkPizza posted... there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present ... you wouldn't arrest most of people present if they were mostly people And the remaining people? LinkPizza posted... Based on that, it sounds like he's saying to arrest the ones who aren't peaceful... Yes, exactly. He responding to a point about no one getting arrested by talking about the people for whom there is no reason to arrest. Rather beside the point I was making. Meanwhile there is a reason to arrest some people. But my point is they shouldn't be arrested either due to the precedent that was set. His response didn't address that point. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962072546] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present</quote>... <quote>you wouldn't arrest most of people present if they were mostly people</quote>And the remaining people? LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Based on that, it sounds like he's saying to arrest the ones who aren't peaceful...</quote>Yes, exactly. He responding to a point about no one getting arrested by talking about the people for whom there is no reason to arrest. Rather beside the point I was making. Meanwhile there is a reason to arrest some people. But my point is they shouldn't be arrested either due to the precedent that was set. His response didn't address that point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/25/22 5:52:26 PM #47:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... And the remaining people? The remaining peaceful protesters have nothing to do with the ones that weren't peaceful. So, they can continue to peacefully protest... SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Yes, exactly. He responding to a point about no one getting arrested by talking about the people for whom there is no reason to arrest. Rather beside the point I was making. Meanwhile there is a reason to arrest some people. But my point is they shouldn't be arrested either due to the precedent that was set. His response didn't address that point. He response was to correct your response, though. You're the one who said, "Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter." Whether you were sarcastic or not, he corrected you and said, "So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present.", which is a perfect valid response to what you said... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:962072778] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>And the remaining people?</quote> The remaining peaceful protesters have nothing to do with the ones that weren't peaceful. So, they can continue to peacefully protest... SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, exactly. He responding to a point about no one getting arrested by talking about the people for whom there is no reason to arrest. Rather beside the point I was making. Meanwhile there is a reason to arrest some people. But my point is they shouldn't be arrested either due to the precedent that was set. His response didn't address that point.</quote> He response was to correct your response, though. You're the one who said, "Nah, as long as they're mostly peaceful the rest doesn't matter." Whether you were sarcastic or not, he corrected you and said, "So long as they're mostly peaceful, there are no grounds for arresting most of the people present.", which is a perfect valid response to what you said...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/22 5:59:53 PM #48:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... No, the 6 wouldn't get arrested because they're part of a protest. Where are you getting this nonsense? Is some nebulous concept of protest-related immunity to prosecution really the only way you can rationalize people getting away with crimes during a protest? You can't look at the basic details of the example that I just outlined and realize that there are practical limitations on what police are capable of? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I know you have difficulty with abstract thinking I have no difficulty with abstract thinking. You're just making up nonsense that has nothing to do with reality for no apparent reason. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Now you might think that the people who set the fire are guilty of arson, They are, but that guilt is only going to amount to anything if you can catch them. That's the practical reality of law enforcement. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... the other protesters are accomplices They are not accomplices. They did not participate in the act of arson in any way, they did not deliberately act to cover it up or protect the perpetrator, they were just in the same area at the same time as the crime was committed. Some local governments did try to push laws amounting to "you can be arrested for being in the same area as somebody that commits a violent act during a protest even if you don't do anything yourself," but I don't believe any of those ever really took off because they're very obviously an assault on first amendment rights (in addition to being blatant nonsense that would never hold up in any higher court). SKARDAVNELNATE posted... and the news reporter who downplayed the seriousness of the crime are complicit in it and inciting people to commit more. That's going to depend on the exact things they're saying, but generally speaking, that's not true either. Nobody is obligated to comment on a burning building just because it's there. Not commenting on it is not a deliberate effort to aid the arsonist, nor does it encourage further arson. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Since as a whole it's still mostly peaceful it qualifies as being part of a protest and the arson isn't that much of an issue. It's more that the protest is more interesting than the fire, so that's what the reporter reports on. Being part of a protest does not make it legal. Having such a crime happen in a large, chaotic crowd, however, makes it difficult to do anything about it. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I don't know where you got those note or what they're for but they don't pertain to anything I've said. You're alleging that any violent crimes that are part of protests are somehow forgiven for the sake of the protest, which would be a legal decision made by governments . The protests in question sought to hold police accountable for overstepping their bounds in the process of enforcing the law, with the added refrain of reducing the scale of police departments and their budgets for the sake of reallocating that support to initiatives that reduce crime without the need to involve law enforcement (such as mental health and social work supports). The former represents a conspiracy by the government to favour protests above all else. The latter describes protests that seek to erode the power the government holds by limiting their enforcement resources. Therefore, you are suggesting that the government is conspiring to enable and encourage protests against its own ability to hold power. That's not a very sensible suggestion, I'm afraid. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962073001] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>No, the 6 wouldn't get arrested because they're part of a protest.</quote> Where are you getting this nonsense? Is some nebulous concept of protest-related immunity to prosecution really the only way you can rationalize people getting away with crimes during a protest? You can't look at the basic details of the example that I just outlined and realize that there are practical limitations on what police are capable of? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I know you have difficulty with abstract thinking</quote> I have no difficulty with abstract thinking. You're just making up nonsense that has nothing to do with reality for no apparent reason. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Now you might think that the people who set the fire are guilty of arson,</quote> They are, but that guilt is only going to amount to anything if you can catch them. That's the practical reality of law enforcement. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>the other protesters are accomplices</quote> They are not accomplices. They did not participate in the act of arson in any way, they did not deliberately act to cover it up or protect the perpetrator, they were just in the same area at the same time as the crime was committed. Some local governments did try to push laws amounting to "you can be arrested for being in the same area as somebody that commits a violent act during a protest even if you don't do anything yourself," but I don't believe any of those ever really took off because they're very obviously an assault on first amendment rights (in addition to being blatant nonsense that would never hold up in any higher court). SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>and the news reporter who downplayed the seriousness of the crime are complicit in it and inciting people to commit more.</quote> That's going to depend on the exact things they're saying, but generally speaking, that's not true either. Nobody is obligated to comment on a burning building just because it's there. Not commenting on it is not a deliberate effort to aid the arsonist, nor does it encourage further arson. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Since as a whole it's still mostly peaceful it qualifies as being part of a protest and the arson isn't that much of an issue.</quote> It's more that the protest is more interesting than the fire, so that's what the reporter reports on. Being part of a protest does not make it legal. Having such a crime happen in a large, chaotic crowd, however, makes it difficult to do anything about it. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know where you got those note or what they're for but they don't pertain to anything I've said.</quote> You're alleging that any violent crimes that are part of protests are somehow forgiven for the sake of the protest, which would be a legal decision made by governments . The protests in question sought to hold police accountable for overstepping their bounds in the process of enforcing the law, with the added refrain of reducing the scale of police departments and their budgets for the sake of reallocating that support to initiatives that reduce crime without the need to involve law enforcement (such as mental health and social work supports). The former represents a conspiracy by the government to favour protests above all else. The latter describes protests that seek to erode the power the government holds by limiting their enforcement resources. Therefore, you are suggesting that the government is conspiring to enable and encourage protests against its own ability to hold power. That's not a very sensible suggestion, I'm afraid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 01/25/22 6:02:03 PM #49:	LinkPizza posted... The remaining peaceful protesters have nothing to do with the ones that weren't peaceful. You talked about the majority participating in the protest. When I ask you about the remaining people, those not in the peaceful majority, they're also peaceful? LinkPizza posted... He response was to correct your response, though. He didn't correct it. He went off on a tangent that ignored what I said. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:962073058] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>The remaining peaceful protesters have nothing to do with the ones that weren't peaceful.</quote>You talked about the majority participating in the protest. When I ask you about the remaining people, those not in the peaceful majority, they're also peaceful? LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>He response was to correct your response, though.</quote>He didn't correct it. He went off on a tangent that ignored what I said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/22 6:02:39 PM #50:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... And the remaining people? The people that are not peaceful should be arrested. That they have not been doesn't indicate that anyone thinks they shouldn't be, it indicates that it's exceedingly difficult to do so and ultimately not worth the effort it would take (if it's even possible). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:962073077] in 9 y/o Sobs... [t:79865413]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>And the remaining people?</quote> The people that are not peaceful should be arrested. That they have not been doesn't indicate that anyone thinks they shouldn't be, it indicates that it's exceedingly difficult to do so and ultimately not worth the effort it would take (if it's even possible). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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