Poll of the Day > Canadian truckers fight against vaccine mandates

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MartianManchild
01/26/22 7:33:50 AM
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/truckers-fighting-government-vaccine-mandate-march-to-canadian-capital/ar-AAT4f4w?ocid=uxbndlbing

People from around the world are fighting against it. #TruckersRiseUp
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Criminalt
01/26/22 8:04:47 AM
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Fight for a real cause, pussies.

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KodyKeir
01/26/22 8:06:42 AM
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Ah yes, the Flu Trux Klan

They are threatening to kill the Prime Minister and do a "January 6th" on the capital, and recent leaked messages shows them planning to blockade hospitals in Ottawa.

They are being funded and propelled by Western separatists and white nationalists.

There is also far fewer then what Rupert Murdoch would have us believe, by an order of magnitude.

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papercup
01/26/22 8:22:51 AM
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Sounds like theyll be hiring new truck drivers soon.

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MartianManchild
01/26/22 9:22:05 AM
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papercup posted...
Sounds like theyll be hiring new truck drivers soon.
Yes because replacing 32,000 veteran and certified truck drivers with a bunch of noobs is actually going to happen and be so much safer /s. Remember that King of the Hill episode where they thought they could just easily replace the propane truck drivers? Remember how that worked out? Continue to enjoy your shortages and ever increasing inflation.
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hypnox
01/26/22 9:28:33 AM
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Meh crap like this is just gonna speed up the development of AI driven trucks.

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papercup
01/26/22 9:28:37 AM
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So all the truck drivers die when they get covid, or they get shot trying to storm the capital, and you think they WON'T get replaced? Weird take!

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MetalGarurumon
01/26/22 9:28:41 AM
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considering that no trucking company is going to let any of them work for them after that if they did, then you're going to see a whole lot of nothing

it will be 1:1 the police thing.
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MartianManchild
01/26/22 9:33:56 AM
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papercup posted...
So all the truck drivers die when they get covid,
Why do you think that everyone who is unvaccinated is going to die if they get Covid? Do you even realize how crazy and misinformed you are?
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papercup
01/26/22 9:43:35 AM
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lol

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MetalGarurumon
01/26/22 10:04:47 AM
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papercup posted...
lol

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Collat
01/26/22 10:10:52 AM
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Pretty sure the US is still going to require them to be vaccinated to enter, so it's all for nothing even if they somehow convince the Canadian government.

Any conservative politician cheering them on is literally just virtue signaling.
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LinkPizza
01/26/22 10:16:55 AM
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Based on numbers from 2018 (which may have rose since the number has been going up for a while, IIRC), this would be about 10% of drivers. Which isn't that bad. Especially when you consider that many of them might not actually go through with everything since this could cost them a lot. Like their job. I won't say it will be easy to replace them. Some deliveries will be late or delayed. But they'll probably eventually get back on track...

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The_tall_midget
01/26/22 10:18:46 AM
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Criminalt posted...
Fight for a real cause, pussies.

They're truckers. Their only abilities is the ability to park terribly, drive like morons, and block bridges and main roads to piss people off.

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 3:23:19 PM
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Truck convoys have happened in Canada in the past. They've been mired in logistical issues, because the organizers are typically idiots.

Their message is mixed, it's not clear whether this is about road conditions or vaccine mandates. The 13%-17% of unvaccinated Canadian truckers are contributing to supply chain issues as they are required to quarantine for 2 weeks after crossing the border. Know how we can improve supply chain issues? Get vaccinated, don't go on a fucking cross-country parade.

Oh, and looks like the main organizer is a 'Western Separatist' aka completely detached from reality. No documents to present in Ottawa, no documents showing how money will be allocated. Complete fucking joke. I keep seeing people exaggerating the #s as "hundreds of thousands". It's a few hundred at present. What will they accomplish? Nothing. What are their goals? Unclear.

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 3:24:32 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Yes because replacing 32,000 veteran and certified truck drivers with a bunch of noobs is actually going to happen and be so much safer /s. Remember that King of the Hill episode where they thought they could just easily replace the propane truck drivers? Remember how that worked out? Continue to enjoy your shortages and ever increasing inflation.
Nice, you're already exaggerating numbers since you're incapable of confirming your sources. 32,000? lmfao. Now you're comparing things to a TV show? OK.

Truckers are contributing to shortages due to a minority of individuals 'standing up' against safety protocol.

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 3:28:00 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Why do you think that everyone who is unvaccinated is going to die if they get Covid? Do you even realize how crazy and misinformed you are?
The likelihood of them dying is far higher than that of being unvaccinated. Nobody who advocates for vaccination claims that the unvaccinated will definitively die with COVID, but you can continue putting words in the mouths of others to perpetuate the drama that you've created within your own mind.

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 3:41:48 PM
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Let's quote the Canadian Truckers Alliance instead of some fucking article. I like how the numbers can magically triple once the data's been filtered through the dumbing-down of social media.

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Cacciato
01/26/22 4:06:24 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Do you even realize how crazy and misinformed you are?
damn, I bet you wrote that with a straight face too.
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Collat
01/26/22 4:32:05 PM
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Apparently they are telling truckers to stay off social media so they won't see people pointing out how pointless the whole thing will be due to US restrictions.
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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 6:22:42 PM
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Collat posted...
Apparently they are telling truckers to stay off social media so they won't see people pointing out how pointless the whole thing will be due to US restrictions.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/6/4/AAUdByAAC2m8.jpg

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Mad_Max
01/26/22 6:29:16 PM
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Collat posted...
Apparently they are telling truckers to stay off social media so they won't see people pointing out how pointless the whole thing will be due to US restrictions.
Ignorance is bliss, and we all know those anti-vax MAGA Let's Go Brandon (gotta lump 'em together because morons of a feather are gonna moron together ya know?) types are ignorant as fuck so they must be happy as a bunch of covid-ridden clams

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 7:42:23 PM
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ssj4supervegeta
01/26/22 7:45:46 PM
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considering the vaccine doesn't make you immune to the virus, nor does it stop you from spreading or catching the virus, why should it be mandatory? masks make sense, the vaccine doesn't really make sense to be mandatory tho.

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Collat
01/26/22 7:49:58 PM
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ssj4supervegeta posted...
considering the vaccine doesn't make you immune to the virus, nor does it stop you from spreading or catching the virus, why should it be mandatory? masks make sense, the vaccine doesn't really make sense to be mandatory tho.
"It's not 100% effective, so it does nothing!"
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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 7:51:57 PM
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ssj4supervegeta posted...
considering the vaccine doesn't make you immune to the virus, nor does it stop you from spreading or catching the virus, why should it be mandatory? masks make sense, the vaccine doesn't really make sense to be mandatory tho.
That is not an absolute claim, whatsoever. Fully-vaccinated breakthrough cases still involve a shorter time of being contagious as the body clears the virus more quickly.

Being fully vaccinated STILL results in LOWER chances of catching the virus and spreading it, even though Omicron has a much higher rate of breakthrough cases compared to Delta. You can't continue re-hashing these statements that are repeated by media figures when it is not that simple.

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adjl
01/26/22 7:52:05 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Truck convoys have happened in Canada in the past. They've been mired in logistical issues, because the organizers are typically idiots.

Their message is mixed, it's not clear whether this is about road conditions or vaccine mandates. The 13%-17% of unvaccinated Canadian truckers are contributing to supply chain issues as they are required to quarantine for 2 weeks after crossing the border. Know how we can improve supply chain issues? Get vaccinated, don't go on a fucking cross-country parade.

Oh, and looks like the main organizer is a 'Western Separatist' aka completely detached from reality. No documents to present in Ottawa, no documents showing how money will be allocated. Complete fucking joke. I keep seeing people exaggerating the #s as "hundreds of thousands". It's a few hundred at present. What will they accomplish? Nothing. What are their goals? Unclear.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/7/AAUdByAAC2k9.jpg

I like that her name is literally Lich.

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 7:54:19 PM
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Why do people like to make authoritative yet unsubstantiated claims? It's simple, it's because those claims are already popular.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485

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ssj4supervegeta
01/26/22 10:47:59 PM
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Collat posted...
"It's not 100% effective, so it does nothing!"
no. it's not immunization at all. so it should not be mandatory. i got both shots back in july. they are good at mitigating the damage the virus does, but they dont stop you from spreading nor do they stop you from getting it. the vaccine doesn't even claim to stop you from getting the virus. the misinformation saying it does is why people are not wearing masks and people saying that you dont have to wear a mask if you have the vaccine.

if the vaccine was full immunization then yeah i can see why it would be mandatory in some fields, but because it's not that it should not be mandatory. dont say weird shit like "it does nothing" when no one is claiming that.

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ReturnOfFa
01/26/22 11:05:38 PM
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ssj4supervegeta posted...
no. it's not immunization at all. so it should not be mandatory. i got both shots back in july. they are good at mitigating the damage the virus does, but they dont stop you from spreading nor do they stop you from getting it. the vaccine doesn't even claim to stop you from getting the virus. the misinformation saying it does is why people are not wearing masks and people saying that you dont have to wear a mask if you have the vaccine.

if the vaccine was full immunization then yeah i can see why it would be mandatory in some fields, but because it's not that it should not be mandatory. dont say weird shit like "it does nothing" when no one is claiming that.
Vaccination has NEVER guaranteed STOPPING a virus 100%. NEVER. Your definition of immunization is NOT the definition of immunization - immunization has NEVER had a precedent as being 100% coverage against a virus.

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KodyKeir
01/26/22 11:07:54 PM
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ssj4supervegeta posted...
it should not be mandatory

And the government hasn't made it mandatory; it's been made a condition of entrance into the country by both the American and Canadian governments.

Don't say weird shit like "it's mandatory" when no one (who actually matters) is claiming that.

ssj4supervegeta posted...
the misinformation saying it does is why people are not wearing masks and people saying that you dont have to wear a mask if you have the vaccine.

That's a lot to unpack.

First, they were refusing to wear a mask long before the vaccine was extant.

Second, the push to drop the mask mandates was and is an ideological problem that predates COVID-19.

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CaptainStrong
01/26/22 11:23:26 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Yes because replacing 32,000 veteran and certified truck drivers with a bunch of noobs is actually going to happen and be so much safer /s. Remember that King of the Hill episode where they thought they could just easily replace the propane truck drivers? Remember how that worked out? Continue to enjoy your shortages and ever increasing inflation.
Yeah. They got other people to drive tow trucks to tow the normal trucks and everything turned out well in the end.
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Collat
01/26/22 11:30:34 PM
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KodyKeir posted...
And the government hasn't made it mandatory; it's been made a condition of entrance into the country by both the American and Canadian governments.

Don't say weird shit like "it's mandatory" when no one (who actually matters) is claiming that.
The same people will claim that we are locked in our homes, even though the only thing different for me now is that I have to put a mask on when I go in a store or gym.

What is considered a lockdown is pretty vague when you think about it,

ssj4supervegeta posted...
people saying that you dont have to wear a mask if you have the vaccine.
It was literally the CDC saying this.

But then everyone in US unmasked., Vax or not.
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MartianManchild
01/27/22 12:18:42 PM
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adjl
01/27/22 10:19:49 PM
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ssj4supervegeta posted...
the misinformation saying it does is why people are not wearing masks and people saying that you dont have to wear a mask if you have the vaccine.

That was particularly exacerbated by a CDC announcement that fully vaccinated people didn't need masks, but that was back in May. At that point, the science did support eschewing masks post-vaccination, since the vaccines were effective enough to reduce the risk of transmitting Alpha or Beta to acceptable levels.

Of course, at that point, ~30% of the US was fully vaccinated, but most people gave up on masks with no efforts to verify that, which is exactly what everyone with half a brain expected to happen after the announcement was made. Cases surged accordingly, and then Delta happened and the vaccines were less effective against it, but getting people to go back to masks was hard. And now Omicron's here and the vaccines are even less effective, but people just don't want to listen to that.

That, however, is not because people are overestimating the vaccine's effectiveness. Quite the opposite: Most of the people refusing to wear masks or accept that the vaccine's effectiveness has waned (both because of how much time has passed since the doses and because of changing epidemiology) are also the ones downplaying the vaccine's effectiveness (more than is appropriate) because they just don't want to have to do anything. These are the same people who glomped onto the CDC's announcement as an excuse to stop wearing masks, despite categorically decrying the CDC's scientific process and conclusions at virtually every turn before then. Big surprise, they criticized them not on any scientific basis, but because they said something they didn't like.

ssj4supervegeta posted...
if the vaccine was full immunization then yeah i can see why it would be mandatory in some fields, but because it's not that it should not be mandatory.

No vaccine is ever "full immunization." Every single one is a matter of risk reduction, like most workplace safety regulations. Being imperfect protection does not mean a safety regulation should not be mandatory. That's especially true when it's such an easy regulation to adhere to.

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Collat
01/27/22 10:52:03 PM
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Why do they mandate helmets in the NFL? People are still getting head injuries.
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SinisterSlay
01/27/22 11:13:15 PM
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You'd laugh or be appalled if you saw the fire and hire rates of those drivers that I just saw today.
I can't share the numbers because privacy, corporate, etc. But it's pretty damn high.

So yes, they can be replaced. And most likely the majority already have been when they walked away from jobs.

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ReturnOfFa
01/28/22 1:42:01 AM
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MartianManchild posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/2/AAb2N0AAC2xY.jpg
Are you having a hard time reading back in this thread and trying to look things up yourself? I mean...look at that picture. You have to be joking. You...have to be. A picture with....12 visible trucks?

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ReturnOfFa
01/28/22 1:44:33 AM
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it's almost like they don't remember the precedent of failure they already set in 2019
https://globalnews.ca/news/4949230/truck-convoy-alberta-ottawa-united-we-roll/

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KodyKeir
01/28/22 6:08:26 AM
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When a bunch of them got stuck there, had their trucks impounded and sold off when they couldn't pay the impound fees, and then couldn't even afford the greyhound home.

Jokes on them, greyhound don't exist no more.

Plus side, CSIS, and every police force in Canada has their identities.

Also, media trying to hide it? they've been their biggest booster, would not have gotten the attention they got if every major media outlet in the land had not said "hey look at this" then they realized "oops, white nationals organized it, but we still have to report the mess we made"

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Zikten
01/28/22 6:32:23 AM
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Hopefully their cause is crushed
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ReturnOfFa
01/28/22 12:44:15 PM
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The twilight-zone style coverage of this has been fucking embarrassing. "This isn't being covered!" It's on every Canadian news outlet every single fucking day. Shut the hell up.

Everybody supporting this convoy should embarrassed.

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adjl
01/28/22 12:46:31 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
The twilight-zone style coverage of this has been fucking embarrassing. "This isn't being covered!" It's on every Canadian news outlet every single fucking day. Shut the hell up.

Everybody supporting this convoy should embarrassed.

It's really kind of sad how many people can't feel worthwhile unless they feel like they and their opinions/beliefs are being persecuted.

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MartianManchild
01/29/22 6:16:34 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/2/AAb2N0AAC3Nq.jpg Going down today at noon. #Freedom
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CaptainStrong
01/29/22 6:22:10 AM
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MartianManchild posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/2/AAb2N0AAC3Nq.jpg Going down today at noon. #Freedom
Do you believe drugs like marijuana and psilocybin mushrooms should be legalized for recreational use?
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MartianManchild
01/29/22 6:29:47 AM
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CaptainStrong posted...
Do you believe drugs like marijuana and psilocybin mushrooms should be legalized for recreational use?
Yes? Mushrooms are a little different than marijuana because they can make people go temporarily crazy, so not too sure about that one, but prostitution is another one that should be legalized. Not sure what type of weird gotcha you were trying to pull. Im a libertarian.
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CaptainStrong
01/29/22 6:39:48 AM
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MartianManchild posted...
Yes? Mushrooms are a little different than marijuana because they can make people go temporarily crazy, so not too sure about that one, but prostitution is another one that should be legalized. Not sure what type of weird gotcha you were trying to pull. Im a libertarian.
Should alcohol be legal? That makes people go temporarily crazy too.
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KodyKeir
01/29/22 6:49:35 AM
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Just be safe, it'll probably be some hardcore supporters with a bunch of parents who thinks it sounds nice without understanding how governments work, or their exact place in it. Plus the ever present surveillance state. It'll be totally safe.

Radical Thought:

We concede on the security theatre aspect on the pandemic response and just agree on allowing for the freedom to wear a mask. Triple layer cloth or better, wear a mask, it's cold out.

Some people feel comfortable covering their face, we should allow them the freedom to do so.

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MartianManchild
01/29/22 6:52:11 AM
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CaptainStrong posted...
Should alcohol be legal? That makes people go temporarily crazy too.
Well alcohol is already legal. If you dont understand the difference between drinking a couple of beers and taking a couple of grams of mushrooms, then there really isnt any point in trying to have an educated conversation with you since you just like to straw man apparently.
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CaptainStrong
01/29/22 6:57:44 AM
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MartianManchild posted...
Well alcohol is already legal. If you dont understand the difference between drinking a couple of beers and taking a couple of grams of mushrooms, then there really isnt any point in trying to have an educated conversation with you since you just like to straw man apparently.
Please educate me on the difference between drinking a couple beers and taking a couple grams of shrooms and why alcohol should be legal and why shrooms shouldn't.
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