Current Events > Anti vaxxers simply don't like being told what to do

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Idunno, they did what Trump told them to do.

More like they do what they're told but only if it aligns with their own personal beliefs.

trump told them to get the vaccine actually, so theyre not.

I wonder if many of them developed a complex from their parents forcing them to eat their broccoli or whatever, because that's what they remind me of: a little brat throwing a plate against the wall and smashing while crying " I DON'T WANNA EAT BROCCOLI! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!".

The thing is most of these "don't tell me what to do" folks are in favor of telling others what they can and can't do.

I wonder if many of them developed a complex from their parents forcing them to eat their broccoli or whatever, because that's what they remind me of: a little brat throwing a plate against the wall and smashing while crying " I DON'T WANNA EAT BROCCOLI! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!".

The thing is most of these "don't tell me what to do" folks are in favor of telling others what they can and can't do.

https://youtu.be/6o39YLyppJo

trump told them to get the vaccine actually, so theyre not.

well the trick is to make them think they're smarter for doing it. they dug into the ivermectin stuff because people had convinced them they were ahead of some curve for doing so. see also: any conspiracy theory.

Idunno, they did what Trump told them to do.

Trump told them to get vaxxed and they booed him then called him a body double

yeah i mean their point is that the government doesn't have the right to tell you what to do with your body.

yeah i mean their point is that the government doesn't have the right to tell you what to do with your body.

But they have a right to knowingly/willingly spread a virus around that's killed how many people again?

If only their personal freedom was relevant and this had anything to do with bodily autonomy. Freedom means less than shit when it infringes on someone else's.

everyone has the right to get the vaccine. someone choosing not to get the vaccine does not infringe on others' to do what they want

yes, the same way people have the right to terminate pregnancies that could have been avoided by other methods

Most people don't like being told what to do.

Also it probably has to do with how unlike almost every drug ever, if there is a bad reaction the drug company has 0 liability.

Also it probably has to do with how it's really really really really fucking hard to get a straight answer on the risks and efficacy.

People will call you anti-vaxx if you ask for the exact data on the risks/benefit even though that's the selling point and should be front and center.

I say this as a person who thinks the cost/benefit analysis of the vax is worth it for effectively every adult. Even so, it is factually untrue to say it is 100% safe and 100% effective, and any reasonable person likely would want the actual data, which shouldn't be as hard to get as it is.

I think if people were presented with the actual data honestly you'd have less covid vaccine hesitancy. The data shows from a cost/benefit analysis it's worth it for effectively every adult. But most people aren't given the data, they are scolded and scared and pressured to get the vaccine, and that can feel manipulative.

Persuade people with actual science and data and not shame and IMO you will have a lot more success.

But they have a right to knowingly/willingly spread a virus around that's killed how many people again?

The data is out there for everyone to find and has been for awhile. It's not being hidden, a specific group of people just don't want to do actual research and believe what facebook, Twitter, etc tell them.

I say this as a person who thinks the cost/benefit analysis of the vax is worth it for effectively every adult. Even so, it is factually untrue to say it is 100% safe and 100% effective, and any reasonable person likely would want the actual data, which shouldn't be as hard to get as it is.

I think if people were presented with the actual data honestly you'd have less covid vaccine hesitancy. The data shows from a cost/benefit analysis it's worth it for effectively every adult. But most people aren't given the data, they are scolded and scared and pressured to get the vaccine, and that can feel manipulative.

Fauci says it's very likely to become endemic, meaning completely preventing people from being exposed is unlikely:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/18/1073802431/fauci-says-covid-19-wont-go-away-like-smallpox?t=1643569902335

This plus the fact that vaccinated can still spread the virus (even though they almost always have better outcomes for themselves) suggests that the "get vaccinated to protect others from catching it" doesn't seem like a logical argument anymore.

The mandate makes some sense if it completely stopped the spread and if most people would never be exposed, but with Fauci saying it's becoming endemic neither argument is true anymore.

At this point a person choosing to not get the covid vaccine is jeopardizing their own health/well being, but having little (if any) impact on the lives of others.

This ignores the many times they've been given data and moved the goalposts, as well as the power of the bad actors manipulating them into being against the vaccine.

The vaccine wasn't about completely stopping the spread, it was about protecting people from the serious effects of the virus, or at least lower the chances of developing serious effects, like death.

What doesn't help is it keeps mutating, and they play a part in the continual mutations. If a mutation ever appears that renders the vaccine completely useless we're right back of the beginning.

Ok, if that is true it should be very easy for you to answer these questions:

1. How effective are the vaccines at preventing cases of omicron?
2. How effective are the vaccines at preventing hospitalization from omicron?
3. How effective are the vaccines at preventing death from omicron?
4. How common are adverse reactions to the vaccines?
5. Has anybody died from an adverse reaction to the vaccine, and if so how many people?

All these numbers IMO should be front and center on the CDC, FDA, and WHO websites. The fact that they aren't and instead generally are replaced with statements like "the vaccines are safe and effective" IMO is the problem.

I agree from a cost benefit analysis the vaccines are the right choice, but IMO these numbers are not as easy to find as you act like they are. I am open to being proven wrong though, so if they are easy to find could you quickly share them with me then?

Good science, clean data, clearly shared IMO is the answer.

Why exactly do I have to do your research for you? Even if I were to show you the data would you even acknowledge it, or would it be completely ignored? If you had any actual interest in the data you would have looked into it a year ago.

The data is out there for everyone to find and has been for awhile

Imagine knowing thousands of years of human history and thinking the average person gives a damn about science or logic in their thinking.

These hesitant people couldn't give you a single piece of data about the vaccines children get, but suddenly they're science-minded people that only operate on hard data?

Think about times you've changed your mind about things, did it happen because people called your names, or did it happen because you were presented new information that adjusted your opinion?

Most people operate on emotion/intuition, but if you want to persuade people generally that is done through data and objective and calm means.

• The overwhelming vast majority of people going to the hospital with covid are unvaccinated.

• Vaccinated people are the ones filling up hospitals