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IShall_Run_Amok
01/29/22 1:07:45 AM
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One of the weapons Marvel used in its climb to comic-book dominance was a willingness to invent new characters at a dizzying speed. There are so many Marvel universes, indeed, that some superheroes do not even exist in one another's worlds, preventing gridlock. The Avengers however do share the same time and space continuum, although in recent years, they've been treated in separate, single-superhero movies. One assumes the idle Avengers follow the exploits of the employed ones on the news.
"The Avengers," much awaited by Marvel comics fans, assembles all of the Avengers in one film: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, the Hulk, the Black Widow and Hawkeye. This is like an all-star game, or the chef's sampling menu at a fancy restaurant. What always strikes me is how different their superpowers are. Iron Man (Robert Downey) is just an ordinary guy until he's wearing his super-suit. Thor (Chris Hemsworth) swings a mighty hammer. Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) wields a bow with arrows so powerful they can bring down alien spacecraft. The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) is a mild-mannered guy until he gets angry, and then he expands into a leaping, bounding green muscle man who can rip apart pretty much anything. Captain America (Chris Evans) has a powerful and versatile shield. Then there's Natasha (Scarlett Johansson), aka the Black Widow. After seeing the film, I discussed her with movie critics from Brazil and India, and we were unable to come up with a satisfactory explanation for her superpowers; it seems she is merely a martial artist with good aim with weapons. We decided maybe she and Hawkeye aren't technically superheroes, but just hang out in the same crowd.

When I see these six together, I can't help thinking of the champions at the Westminster Dog Show. You have breeds that seem completely different from one another (Labradors, poodles, boxers, Dalmatians), and yet they're all champions.

The reason they're brought together in "The Avengers" is that the Earth is under threat by the smirking Loki (Tom Hiddleston), Thor's adopted brother, who controls the Tesseract, a pulsing cube of energy that opens a gateway to the universe; through it, he plans to attack Earth with his fleet of reptile-looking monster-machines. It goes completely unexplained where Loki now resides, how these dragon-machines are manufactured, and so on. Both Loki and Thor are obscurely related to the gods of Norse mythology, as we know from last year's "Thor," but let's not drift into theology.

Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) sends out a call to the Avengers to team up and meet this threat. He runs SHIELD, the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division, which is all I know about it. He's headquartered on a gigantic aircraft carrier that's also a hovercraft and can become invisible. By bringing the Avengers together, he of course reopens ancient rivalries (i.e, my hammer can beat your shield), until they learn the benefits of Teamwork, which is discussed in speeches of noble banality. So you see this is sort of an educational film, teaching the Avengers to do what was so highly valued on my first-grade report card: the concept of Working Well With Others.

These films are all more or less similar, and "The Avengers" gives us much, much more of the same. There must be a threat. The heroes must be enlisted. The villain must be dramatized. Some personality defects are probed. And then the last hour or so consists of special effects in which large mechanical objects engage in combat that results in deafening crashes and explosions and great balls of fire.
Much of this battle takes place in midtown Manhattan, where the neatest sequences involve Loki's ginormous slithering, undulating snake-lizard-dragon machine, which seems almost to have a mind of its own and is backed up by countless snakelings. At one point, an Avenger flies into the mouth of this leviathan and penetrates its entire length, emerging at the business end. You won't see that in "The Human Centipede."

"Comic-Con nerds will have multiple orgasms," predicts critic David Edelstein in New York magazine, confirming something I had vaguely suspected about them. If he is correct, it's time for desperately needed movies to re-educate nerds in the joys of sex. "The Avengers" is done well by Joss Whedon, with style and energy. It provides its fans with exactly what they desire. Whether it is exactly what they deserve is arguable.



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DD Divine
01/29/22 1:17:07 AM
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i miss this guy. He would have lost his mind at Infinity War and Endgame.

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CommunismFTW
01/29/22 1:18:00 AM
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iirc he wasn't wild about super hero movies but the OG avengers was super forgettable.

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BLooD WoLf
01/29/22 1:18:33 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
When I see these six together, I can't help thinking of the champions at the Westminster Dog Show. You have breeds that seem completely different from one another (Labradors, poodles, boxers, Dalmatians), and yet they're all champions.

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WorsCaseOntario
01/29/22 1:18:34 AM
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Scorsese was right about marvel movies

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g0ldie
01/29/22 1:20:10 AM
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I liked Roger Ebert, and I looked forward to watching Siskel & Ebert and Ebert & Roeper when I was younger, but he had some interesting opinions.

iirc, the dude apparently liked the Garfield movies, for example.

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CoorsLight
01/29/22 1:23:07 AM
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The critique doesn't read like a three star but I get what he's saying. It's not deep cinema but it's just a movie there to have fun. I appreciate that he can bash the absurdity of the genre without being elitist

Also had no idea he was still alive when it came out tbh
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TheChariot
01/29/22 1:35:52 AM
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Ranlom posted...
Batman is not a superhero confirmed

He isn't, because he isn't a hero. Heroes don't let people like the Joker get away for the millionth time.

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Xethuminra
01/29/22 1:38:34 AM
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Ebert being the voice

Making sure we never lower our standards

Instead of being a shill

I love it.

*Challenging Expectations*
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Shotgunnova
01/29/22 2:20:33 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
So you see this is sort of an educational film, teaching the Avengers to do what was so highly valued on my first-grade report card: the concept of Working Well With Others.
RIP Ebert

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FortuneCookie
01/29/22 12:30:54 PM
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It's weird that he got on Batman Returns for being too busy, then went on to praise Avengers for creating characters at dizzying speed.

I guess one's expectations over pacing and the number of characters can change over decades. When it came out in the 1950s, The Searchers was said to have been too fast-paced and too action-packed. There are people today who would fall asleep while watching it.
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Tenlaar
01/29/22 12:33:01 PM
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One of the most brilliant and richest people in the worldjust an ordinary guy
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DeadBankerDream
01/29/22 12:33:35 PM
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Legit Roger Ebert's is the celebrity death of my adult life that has made me the most upset.

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Ryven
01/29/22 12:40:06 PM
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I didn't always agree with Ebert (his review of not liking Die Hard because of the idiot police captain) but i always enjoyed listening to his reviews. His review of North in particular is legendary ('I hated hated hated hated hated hated this movie').

RIP. I also didnt realize he was still alive when Avengers came out; feels like forever ago that he left us.

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FortuneCookie
01/29/22 12:42:24 PM
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Ryven posted...
I didn't always agree with Ebert (his review of not liking Die Hard because of the idiot police captain) but i always enjoyed listening to his reviews. His review of North in particular is legendary ('I hated hated hated hated hated hated this movie').

RIP. I also didnt realize he was still alive when Avengers came out; feels like forever ago that he left us.

Die Hard was the review that surprised me.

"I'm calling it now. Ebert likes it. Siskel hates it."
[clip opens to Siskel praising Die Hard]
"Oh, so they both like it."
[Ebert bashes Die Hard]
"Gene... talk sense into Roger."

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Doom_Art
01/29/22 12:42:45 PM
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CommunismFTW posted...
iirc he wasn't wild about super hero movies but the OG avengers was super forgettable.
It was also (mostly) shot pretty terribly. It looks like a lazy TV movie in some scenes.

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UnfairRepresent
01/29/22 12:43:51 PM
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Claiming he's not elitist is pretty lol

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FortuneCookie
01/29/22 12:45:52 PM
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Siskel was more of an elitist than Ebert.

If Siskel didn't like a movie, it was objectively bad. If Ebert didn't like a movie, he recognized that fans of the genre might still like it and be entitled to do so.

Ebert had a pet hatred for gratuitous or glamorized violence though. He hated nearly every action movie or horror movie. He gave Dawn of the Dead four stars though.
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NecroFoul99
01/29/22 12:52:32 PM
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Man, I loved that guy.

Watching and reading him over the years was watching a transformation. Back when it was Siskel & Ebert, it was Gene who was more forgiving and saw the value in dumb fun. Ebert scored much more on technical prowess and high minded writing.

After Gene died, Roger seemed to change and become a tad more forgiving, but still leaned heavily on the technical.

Late life and even before his tragic illness, he became much more of a critic in what the films messaging is, whether he viewed it as harmful or not, and also how a film moved him emotionally. He was more forgiving, generous and kind to filmmakers and writers than ever before.

His last few years, I read everything he wrote. His intelligence and thoughtfulness made me feel good. It made me believe in decency in others just a little bit more and his words often moved me and made me question my own views and sometimes they even changed because of his insight.

To me, he will always be one of the beautiful people. I loved him and still miss him.

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