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SirEsquireIII
02/01/22 8:55:37 PM
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COVxy posted...
I mean, without the ad revenue, people would be charging money for access. The ad revenue is the replacement for charging you directly.

Certainly, they can just charge you directly and you'd be happy then, right?
And Im sure enough of his subscribers would actually pay to hear him for that to be worth it

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SydneySweenHero
02/01/22 8:58:34 PM
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lmao, okay Linus

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COVxy
02/01/22 8:59:03 PM
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SirEsquireIII posted...
And Im sure enough of his subscribers would actually pay to hear him for that to be worth it

But that's a less equitable solution.

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ColdOne666
02/01/22 9:43:41 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
If I walk into a store that has an advertisement on the wall and I consciously choose not to look at it that isn't piracy. If I go to a website and consciously choose not to look at their ads it isn't piracy either. Neither is skipping ahead in a YouTube video to get past somebody's in video sponsorship. Neither is hanging up on a telemarketer.


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TheoryzC
02/01/22 9:45:34 PM
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Lol sure it is

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Crazyman93
02/01/22 9:45:40 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Neither is skipping ahead in a YouTube video to get past somebody's in video sponsorship.
I don't ever feel remotely bad about this since they already got paid to shill Raycon or NordVPN or whatever the flavor of the month is this week.

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SydneySweenHero
02/01/22 9:46:36 PM
#58:


Honestly, the only ads that I actually watch are Internet Historians, only because his ads are the funniest shit to watch and I'm surprised the sponsors allow him to get away with half the shit does with them >_______>

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MutantJohn
02/01/22 9:48:16 PM
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I wouldn't even use adblock if the internet wasn't literally unusable without it

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lightwarrior78
02/01/22 9:51:03 PM
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Even if we ignore the trackers and other quasi if not actual malware ads tend to install, making adblock more antivirus than anything, there's other problems. Saturation of often the same ad again and again, or excessively in the same video (last time I saw something on Daily motion there was an ad break every 2 minutes) long ads, irelevant to my interst ads (seriously, I thought these are targeted to my interests,) ads that resize things to try and trick you into the click, obvious scams, and more, and people wonder why people keep the pesky adblock on.

And it's funny, I think most of us like to have some marketing in our lives. New stores selling what we like. New products and games. Cool trailers. Market correctly and you have our attention.

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MabusIncarnate
02/01/22 9:54:00 PM
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No, no it isn't. Maybe stop making ads that are obnoxious, videos that autoplay, etc. If they weren't a constant problem I wouldn't have to block them.

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AllHeDoesIsWin
02/01/22 9:57:51 PM
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In that case I'm gonna start billing websites for their ads using up my data limits without my consent. It's practically theft
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MrCokeacola
02/01/22 9:57:54 PM
#64:


huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXTnrD_Zs4

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nexigrams
02/01/22 10:00:28 PM
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I get what he's saying, but it's not a good look. Maybe just shut the fuck up and keep making millions of dollars a year off your terrible sponsored video segways. True or not, this is just not something people wanna hear from Linus Tech Tips, of all places.

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/01/22 10:03:22 PM
#66:


Based adblock.

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Gwynevere
02/01/22 10:07:50 PM
#67:


I have no moral objection to either so that argument is lost on me

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Rexdragon125
02/01/22 10:11:30 PM
#68:


Cool, now get rid of malware from ad platforms
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chrono625
02/01/22 10:12:53 PM
#69:


When I want life tips from a guy named Linus Ill watch Charlie fucking Brown.

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ModLogic
02/01/22 10:12:55 PM
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he's right.

people who use adblock are morally corrupt.

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Esrac
02/01/22 10:13:23 PM
#71:


SydneySweenHero posted...
Honestly, the only ads that I actually watch are Internet Historians, only because his ads are the funniest shit to watch and I'm surprised the sponsors allow him to get away with half the shit does with them >_______>

This guy gets it.

Now if only he'd release a new video more than once every few months.
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DavidZ2844
02/01/22 10:31:39 PM
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@SydneySweenHero SydneySweenHero posted...
Honestly, the only ads that I actually watch are Internet Historians, only because his ads are the funniest shit to watch and I'm surprised the sponsors allow him to get away with half the shit does with them >_______>
Can you recommend/link to a good one and/or one of your favorites?
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SydneySweenHero
02/01/22 10:54:21 PM
#74:


There's a bunch of compilations of them on youtube, but I guess my favorites the Raycon man ones and some of the Nord VPN ones >_> I'll link to them here:

https://youtu.be/XcPyjr8e8qw?t=923
https://youtu.be/XcPyjr8e8qw?t=1050
https://youtu.be/XcPyjr8e8qw?t=1290

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Ryuko_Chan
02/01/22 10:55:43 PM
#75:


hes not wrong
neither are bad to do though

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DavidZ2844
02/02/22 1:32:10 AM
#76:


SydneySweenHero posted...
There's a bunch of compilations of them on youtube, but I guess my favorites the Raycon man ones and some of the Nord VPN ones >_> I'll link to them here:

https://youtu.be/XcPyjr8e8qw?t=923
https://youtu.be/XcPyjr8e8qw?t=1050
https://youtu.be/XcPyjr8e8qw?t=1290
holy shit lmao these are gold
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WingsOfGood
02/02/22 1:34:09 AM
#77:


Tenlaar posted...
Obviously. Its selfish, entitled people saying I want your content but I cant be inconvenienced even the slightest bit for you to get paid for it.

I own the computer. You have no right to tell me what extensions MY browser has.
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WingsOfGood
02/02/22 1:35:48 AM
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AllHeDoesIsWin posted...
In that case I'm gonna start billing websites for their ads using up my data limits without my consent. It's practically theft

You will find the people making these arguments are usually very hypocritical and think theft of your time and resources is ok.
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Payzmaykr
02/02/22 2:05:41 AM
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Services like YouTube and pandora, that started off as free, ramped up ads when they got greedy and decided to make optional paid content. Now it seems less like a scam to pay because there arent three thirty second ads between every song.

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MrMallard
02/02/22 2:11:23 AM
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Isn't this why Patreon took off so hard? Content creators realised that people were blocking the ads on their videos and hampering their income - a fair few of them totally understanding the situation, themselves being fed up with the increasing monetization of YouTube - and began using a third party service where they offered a look behind the curtain in exchange for a consistent revenue stream from interested subscribers.

LinusTechTips could start a Patreon and advertise it at the end of his videos. Unless he already has one, which would be pretty :/ of him

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WingsOfGood
02/02/22 2:15:43 AM
#81:


MrMallard posted...
Isn't this why Patreon took off so hard? Content creators realised that people were blocking the ads on their videos and hampering their income - a fair few of them totally understanding the situation, themselves being fed up with the increasing monetization of YouTube - and began using a third party service where they offered a look behind the curtain in exchange for a consistent revenue stream from interested subscribers.

LinusTechTips could start a Patreon and advertise it at the end of his videos. Unless he already has one, which would be pretty :/ of him


No

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/12/patreon-story/

Conte came up with the idea for Patreon in February 2013 due to his own financial situation: the small amount of ad revenue he expected from YouTube wouldnt come close to repaying the thousands of dollars he was expecting to spend on the Pedals music video (it ultimately cost $10,000). He believed there was a small subset of his audience who would be happy to help though, and to do so for each future video. He mocked-up his vision on 14 pieces of printer paper and, unable to build a software platform himself, reached out to his old Stanford roommate, Sam Yam.
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BlackBlueButts
02/02/22 2:30:43 AM
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Wasn't there also the big youtube "adpocalypse"?

Idiots like dsp were getting tens of thousands of dollars every month, then advertiser money finally dropped to what they should have been getting.

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Hornezz
02/02/22 2:52:43 AM
#83:


When you watch cable tv, make sure to schedule your bathroom breaks during the movie so you don't miss a second of the commercial breaks. And you better not skip over any ads in the newspaper either!

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Guide
02/02/22 2:53:20 AM
#84:


Of course it is, and it's not a bad thing to do so.

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Thompson
02/02/22 3:02:43 AM
#85:


Hornezz posted...
When you watch cable tv, make sure to schedule your bathroom breaks during the movie so you don't miss a second of the commercial breaks. And you better not skip over any ads in the newspaper either!
Don't forget to allocate a minimum of 30 seconds to diligently observe each billboard you encounter on your work commute!

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Guerrilla Soldier
02/02/22 3:23:40 AM
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you know why we all never thought about it this way?

cuz it's not true lol

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Kloe_Rinz
02/02/22 3:27:50 AM
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the difference between Netflix and YouTube is that Netflix advertises the cost of its videos as a subscription fee, whereas YouTube advertises the cost of its videos as free. Theres no inherent agreement between YouTube and the viewer that the viewer must watch ads and enable themselves to be tracked via JavaScript running in the background

ads are also a security risk. They have been used to distribute malware in the past. For that reason alone its stupid not to block them

even if it were morally wrong (its such a non issue I have a hard time agreeing), I simply dont care because I dont want to watch ads and my time is worth more than advertisers time
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teep_
02/02/22 3:43:27 AM
#88:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
hes not wrong
neither are bad to do though


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Malcrasternus
02/02/22 3:56:21 AM
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Adblock furthers the push for sponsor breaks in the video. Making it much easier to skip over those as well while still giving the channel a view. Win win.

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Crazyman93
02/02/22 4:56:12 AM
#90:


Hornezz posted...
When you watch cable tv, make sure to schedule your bathroom breaks during the movie so you don't miss a second of the commercial breaks. And you better not skip over any ads in the newspaper either!
That's an idiotic take. The fact cable TV has ads is absurd in and of it self WHEN IT ALREADY COSTS SO DAMN MUCH! My mother told me a story of when they first got cable, a relative was over watching a movie, and was rather dismayed there weren't commercials to use to take a leak. Because they were paying to see it on cable. The point being, once upon a time cable didn't have ads.

And I pay for the newspaper, hypothetically anyway, so it's my right as the purchaser of the product to decide which parts of it I read over.

That said, internet ads have become obnoxiously intrusive compared to what they were ten years ago or so. When I was a teenager, ads were usually a banner offering you a product or service to get your attention. Then they morphed into browser slowing monstrosities that had to flash, and play obnoxious videos and automatically expand over the page you're trying to read. Hell, once upon a time the worst ad I could ever see on a non-porn site was for Evony. And only because if someone walked in you had to explain the half naked chick on the side of the screen.

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Guide
02/02/22 5:26:53 AM
#91:


Crazyman93 posted...
That's an idiotic take. The fact cable TV has ads is absurd in and of it self WHEN IT ALREADY COSTS SO DAMN MUCH! My mother told me a story of when they first got cable, a relative was over watching a movie, and was rather dismayed there weren't commercials to use to take a leak. Because they were paying to see it on cable. The point being, once upon a time cable didn't have ads.

And I pay for the newspaper, hypothetically anyway, so it's my right as the purchaser of the product to decide which parts of it I read over.

That said, internet ads have become obnoxiously intrusive compared to what they were ten years ago or so. When I was a teenager, ads were usually a banner offering you a product or service to get your attention. Then they morphed into browser slowing monstrosities that had to flash, and play obnoxious videos and automatically expand over the page you're trying to read. Hell, once upon a time the worst ad I could ever see on a non-porn site was for Evony. And only because if someone walked in you had to explain the half naked chick on the side of the screen.

Does that void it being piracy though? It's okay to admit that sometimes piracy is good.

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Hornezz
02/02/22 6:07:52 AM
#92:


Crazyman93 posted...
And I pay for the newspaper, hypothetically anyway, so it's my right as the purchaser of the product to decide which parts of it I read over.
You have that right whether you pay for it or not. You are not obligated to watch ads on a public tv channel. Or in a free magazine. Or in a brochure that was put in your mailbox.

Besides, there are more differences between internet ads and the rest. To name a few, advertising in print or on TV never:
- install malware
- run crypto miners
- follow you around online
- construct a profile on you and sell it to others
- increase bandwith, driving up loading times and (potentially) costs

Not to mention the lack of editorial oversight that makes it more likely the ads are misleading, fraudulent or inappropriate. All things considered, I honestly believe ignoring tv/print ads is more unethical than blocking internet ads.

That said, internet ads have become obnoxiously intrusive compared to what they were ten years ago or so. When I was a teenager, ads were usually a banner offering you a product or service to get your attention.
Internet advertisement in the late '90s - early '00s was pretty damn awful with popups everywhere. It wasn't until popup blocking software became popular (and later integrated in most browsers) that this problem was solved.

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Crazyman93
02/02/22 6:37:17 AM
#93:


Hornezz posted...
You have that right whether you pay for it or not. You are not obligated to watch ads on a public tv channel. Or in a free magazine. Or in a brochure that was put in your mailbox.

Besides, there are more differences between internet ads and the rest. To name a few, advertising in print or on TV never:
- install malware
- run crypto miners
- follow you around online
- construct a profile on you and sell it to others
- increase bandwith, driving up loading times and (potentially) costs

Not to mention the lack of editorial oversight that makes it more likely the ads are misleading, fraudulent or inappropriate. All things considered, I honestly believe ignoring tv/print ads is more unethical than blocking internet ads.

Internet advertisement in the late '90s - early '00s was pretty damn awful with popups everywhere. It wasn't until popup blocking software became popular (and later integrated in most browsers) that this problem was solved.
Well, my major usage of the internet really didn't start until the mid to late 00s. And either way, I think all we've done is highlight that comparing ads on a service that requires our active participation (the internet) versus ads in a product or a service that is passively participated in (like TV) is something of an apples and oranges comparison.

Guide posted...
Does that void it being piracy though? It's okay to admit that sometimes piracy is good.
I don't care one way or the other about piracy. That said, the advertisers pay the content provider to use the time or space. My refusal to acknowledge the time or space they paid for isn't really piracy.

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Son Of Spam
02/02/22 6:44:38 AM
#94:


I just find it funny that a piracy tool like Ublock Origin is free and readily available straight from Google's own extension store, and it blocks Youtube ads by default. It's about the equivalent of Nintendo putting the download links and instructions for how to install CFW on the Switch on their website.

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SweetieBeIle462
02/02/22 7:15:26 AM
#95:


Linus is wrong here

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SydneySweenHero
02/02/22 3:43:24 PM
#96:


bump lol

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DarkRoast
02/02/22 3:47:24 PM
#97:


I honestly understand and empathize with journalists who feel that they cannot make widely accessible, "free" content without ad support. That is a legitimate concern. But the solution isn't pop up ads, autoplay videos, etc. We need to fundamentally rethink monetization.

Decades of extremely poor regulation of online advertisements resulted in viruses, identity theft, etc. People don't want ads because ads never draw the line at simply being advertisements. For decades they were abusive, intrusive, and dangerous. You can't just expect people to suddenly open up and allow them.

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Damn_Underscore
02/02/22 3:50:07 PM
#98:


I remember back in the day Neogaf would ban you for saying you use Adblock. You had to specify that you whitelisted Neogaf

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Machete
02/02/22 3:52:48 PM
#99:


If adblock didn't exist, I would not be alive today

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kinetika_
02/02/22 3:54:20 PM
#100:


Crazyman93 posted...
When YouTube stops doing shit like making ads unskippable, totally irrelevant to me (I dont' have a car, why do I need insurance), repetitive, and occasionally sneaking half hour plus long TV pilots into a 5 minute video, I will consider not blocking them.

Yeah, wtf is the deal with the 45min video "ads" lol

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